List of Logical Statements to Help Determine Circle-of-Mines type events' winners
This thread is designed to help players and staff members to better understand concepts related to how winners are determined in the event 'Circle of Mines' or others following the same theme (for example, musical chairs).
Over the last few months and recently in general, there has not been a clear understanding of how to determine winners and it was rather apparent lately, so I decided to make this thread with the above purpose.
Sidenote (mainly to prevent hate and drama): The thread is designed to help players understand what they must do to win, and what hosts should do to be as fair as possible and make the event as enjoyable as possible. It's merely a guideline, every host can just say fũck it to all of these statements and do whatever he wants or have no winners if he wishes, but IMO that beats the purpose of events and beats the fun out of them.
Let's start with some basic statements that apply to any number of players larger than 3;
Spoiler!
Statement 1: In a standard event, unless stated otherwise, there will be 3 winners. no more, no less.
Statement 2: Players who pass a circle, get to go onto a NEXT ROUND, and everyone who didn't have failed and therefore should be kicked or dealt with otherwise.
Statement 3: Players who have passed the circle and died afterwards or otherwise havent even tried and died due to circumstances revolving the event rules will not be given a second chance and are referred to as players who failed and should be dealt with the same way as those who failed.
From these statements, you can conclude the following to help determine winners;
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In a situation where more than 3 players remain, but some of them have to leave the event or have failed as described in statement 3, and as a result only 3 players remain eligible to play, they would be considered the only ones who passed statement 2 and therefore are the winners.
Explanation: The 3 remaining players alive after some players have left are the only ones who have passed a circle that no one else in the room did, and therefore, to ensure statement 1 is followed, the last 3 are the only ones who could be winners.
Conclusion: Even if a player in the last 3 in said circumstance failed the following circle, he will still earn points based on distribution described in the event rules, due to having no one else who is able to win instead of him.
If a player in the last 3 had to go or had disconnected or left for any other reason other than literally failing to pass the circle, he will be treated equally to someone who DID fail to pass the circle AND as someone who can no longer attempt to pass (due to him leaving), thus rendering him someone who has won the least number of points, AKA +1.
Explanation: A player (in this case the last 2 that didnt leave) who can keep trying to win is guaranteed to pass atleast 1 circle more than the person who left (to ensure statement 1), therefore the person who left may only win 1 point.
Conclusion: Player(s) who left can only win +1, the remaining player(s) will ALWAYS get +2 or +3, regardless of what happens in the future, and should therefore not be forced to pass any other circle to justify winning more than +1.
If 2 players leave the room and only 1 remains, both players will receive +1 and the last one receives +3, and he doesn't have to perform any further actions to justify the +3.
Explanation: Due to having no one else who is able to win over the last player in the room after 2 have left, there is no circumstance in which the player loses to another and would therefore not win +3.
Conclusion: A last player in the room does not need to do any further actions like trying a new circle or dying again in first to die (which i thought was obvious), as he cannot possibly lose.
All of the above statements are also true if a +3 winner has already been declared (one of the three passes, and the other 2 fail, and therefore fight for +2 and +1), The only difference is that the remaining player is not the one who can win +3, but +2.
Explanation: Lets say a player who remains after a +3 winner was declared (who is therefore out of the game) and his +2/+1 opponent left. That last player is the only one who can compete and attempt to win, because no one else can beat him except the person who got +3 and is already out of the game.
Conclusion: Considering the last player can continually attempt to pass circles even if he fails (following statement 1), he should be given the +2 instantly instead of constantly asking him to first pass a circle that the person who left didnt pass.
To ensure all of these statements and conclusions can be easily followed, that the event will take a reasonable amount of time, and that it will be fair for all players, the host should make sure he does the following when he hosts:
Spoiler!
A gradual increase in difficulty from circle 1 up until circle n (the last one).
Knowing the difference between very hard (close to impossible) circles and hard ones to allow winners to be decided rather quickly (instead of having them constantly fail and re-try to ensure statement 1).
Understanding the basic concept behind the statements and what would happen if they weren't followed (unfairness, bad selection of winners).
/discuss
10-31-2019
ImComming4U
In the past hosts; hosted things correctly. current bunch, they make there own rules.
10-31-2019
Divine
I don't mind any debates/discussions going on but I'd like to clear one thing with you all.
Since there are a small number of people who complain every event regardless of who hosts, and make reports for every small minor mistakes, some ET's will be banning them from their events going forward.
Cheers,
Divine
10-31-2019
ImComming4U
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine
I don't mind any debates/discussions going on but I'd like to clear one thing with you all.
Since there are a small number of people who complain every event regardless of who hosts, and make reports for every small minor mistakes, some ET's will be banning them from their events going forward.
Cheers,
Divine
Why are the ETs going to ban 'them' from their events?
The ETs can report them rather banning them.
In the past, most of the ETs did not get pissed-off so easily (they did not have such commands to even control the room yet they managed to host way more better than the current ones). Why are current ETs getting into situation that they are going to kick-out ppl? Pls hire grown-up ETs rather 14 y/o's. tyvm.
10-31-2019
Faky
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine
I don't mind any debates/discussions going on but I'd like to clear one thing with you all.
Since there are a small number of people who complain every event regardless of who hosts, and make reports for every small minor mistakes, some ET's will be banning them from their events going forward.
Cheers,
Divine
ye they going forward with the same mistakes not learning from their mistakes, small minor mistakes are fine but some unfair decision makes players triggered.
some hosts using sword in Rocketman event that's a big troll don't call it is not a mistake it's his own choice :o.o
10-31-2019
Bunny
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine
I don't mind any debates/discussions going on but I'd like to clear one thing with you all.
Since there are a small number of people who complain every event regardless of who hosts, and make reports for every small minor mistakes, some ET's will be banning them from their events going forward.
Cheers,
Divine
I cant speak for what other people are doing, but I will repeatedly continue complaining to some hosts and making threads like this when any type of criticism is answered by a kick from events because hosts are never open for change when provided with information and facts that dont support their point of view.
I agree with faky on this.
10-31-2019
Divine
Quote:
Originally Posted by ImComming4U
Why are the ETs going to ban 'them' from their events?
The ETs can report them rather banning them.
In the past, most of the ETs did not get pissed-off so easily (they did not have such commands to even control the room yet they managed to host way more better than the current ones). Why are current ETs getting into situation that they are going to kick-out ppl? Pls hire grown-up ETs rather 14 y/o's. tyvm.
Hi,
You see, ET's are here to make events to ensure our community are having fun, they are not here to deal with individuals who keep making reports about them for the smallest mistakes, it turns out the people who keep complaining and reporting them are the same users every time.
I've seen this in-game myself.
Example: A & B are last two alive in RFN, (run from nade) A is just a regular user who just joined and hardly plays events, B is the user who complains 24/7. A will win and B will make a complaint/report or a public comment "RIGGED or YOU TARGETED ME" these are all childish. But if B wins A wouldn't care, it's just a event.
So banning the same users who ruin it for majority will be the best/easiest. (from events)
10-31-2019
ImComming4U
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine
Hi,
You see, ET's are here to make events to ensure our community are having fun, they are not here to deal with individuals who keep making reports about them for the smallest mistakes, it turns out the people who keep complaining and reporting them are the same users every time.
I've seen this in-game myself.
Example: A & B are last two alive in RFN, (run from nade) A is just a regular user who just joined and hardly plays events, B is the user who complains 24/7. A will win and B will make a complaint/report or a public comment "RIGGED or YOU TARGETED ME" these are all childish. But if B wins A wouldn't care, it's just a event.
So banning the same users who ruin it for majority will be the best/easiest. (from events)
Hi, you have gave me the 'worst' example of one to report the staff; 'RIGGED'. Please show me a real example of this being done, having said that both A and B are g00nz k1ds. B wouldn't report such thing unless A is also known member or perhaps clan member of the host.
10-31-2019
Zoro
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine
Hi,
You see, ET's are here to make events to ensure our community are having fun, they are not here to deal with individuals who keep making reports about them for the smallest mistakes, it turns out the people who keep complaining and reporting them are the same users every time.
I've seen this in-game myself.
Example: A & B are last two alive in RFN, (run from nade) A is just a regular user who just joined and hardly plays events, B is the user who complains 24/7. A will win and B will make a complaint/report or a public comment "RIGGED or YOU TARGETED ME" these are all childish. But if B wins A wouldn't care, it's just a event.
So banning the same users who ruin it for majority will be the best/easiest. (from events)
Come on man, dont post that bullshit. Everyone clearly knows most ETs dont give a rats ass about hosting. For them, its about some digital power and circle orgy jerking with their friend group.
Well what do i know? I was only banned from 4 different host event for calling them 'idiots'. Clearly calling them a idiot was ruining events for everyone. But i could care less
Apprently the /ignore function isnt available for staff members
11-01-2019
Michi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoro
Come on man, dont post that bullshit. Everyone clearly knows most ETs dont give a rats ass about hosting. For them, its about some digital power and circle orgy jerking their friend group.
Well what do i know? I was only banned from 4 different host event for calling them 'idiots'. Clearly calling them a idiot was ruining events for everyone. But i could care less
Apprently the /ignore function isnt available for staff members
It’s actually against our protocol to be ignoring players and it is a reportable offense, for the same reason that we can’t reject our whisper (else it would’ve been done by me a long time ago.)
Now myself and the other staff members are not aware of the reasoning behind your banish from said hosts events, but they seem well justified with your ignorant reply.
If you feel that you were mistreated by someone hosting events, you should be reporting them to the hacker & player reports section. We do not bias our replies in any way, and most if not all issues against a staff member are pretty much all resolved. You just haven’t done anything about your “unjustified bans” as of yet.
Now.
Im gonna say something. And I do not want any of the other staff members to take this as a personal attack towards them, as I appreciate everything that the EMs are doing, there are more events nowadays than there ever was back in my day as an Event Moderator witb 300+ online, which is impressive considering events aren’t nearly as fun with less players. But understand this: with more players, the past staff members (myself included) were constantly flooded in chat and constantly worrying about keeping the event running else there will be chaos in the room. Nowadays events get around 10 people, allowing the hosts to pay attention to what the players are saying and how they are reacting. To be completely honest I probably ignored all the complaints that I would get during events because I knew that I was not breaking any rules of the event, and if someone REALLY felt otherwise, they can report me, which has happened once by the @OP, topkek.
if you people are bitching at a host
and constantly wondering why you were killed
and whining as to how an event moderator is hosting an event
maybe you should calm the **** down and realize that this is a game, and that behind the screen of a staffmember
is a functioning human being with feelings, just like yourself
how do you think it feels when people are calling you an idiot or retard when you’re trying to dedicate YOUR time to make THEIR gaming experience just a bit better
bunny personally I feel like this thread is you subtly being butthurt because to be completely honest here, I have seen you go back and forth with hosts that were at one point your friend, which is a bit sad considering you used to be on the staff team yourself and you understand how frustrating the event process can be at times
maybe if you have a problem you should try fixing it by becoming an event moderator yourself to fix them first hand
your events weren’t so cookie cutter either tbh, noones are
now it would’ve been helpful for you to explain or provide evidence of the incorrect actions staff members have been executing in their events, it would’ve really helped your case more but to be completely honest I kind of see where you are coming from
For the record, I am only putting my opinion to show the players that we as a staff team are not 1 euphoria that agree on everything, and if any of the things that I list below want to be disregarded by current hosts, so be it lol.
1) Rocketman is not supposed to have a sword
2) Rocketman is also not supposed to include the host spamming the rockets everywhere, it completely ruins the event
3)CoM is supposed to be hosted the exact way bunny explained it, I don’t really understand what the problem was in a recent event (if you can shed some light that would be helpful)
4) please stop ****ing using all the different weird rockets in dodgeball like the grenade launcher
they are not fun and enjoyable at all and only make an already competitive event even harder
i understand that it’s a rocket and the players are to just dodge them, but the poison balls and the fireballs are so ridiculous
maybe for an extra point or for a certain round and kept at a minimum are these rockets fun to use during dodgeball, but every round is so annoying.
5) when hosters are hosting, please do not comment to the players backlash if they call you an idiot or other slander. it will only put you in a more difficult position.
tell them that they will be kicked if they continue to be annoying and that’s that, and collect evidence and report them to the GM team so they can be dealt with accordingly.
6) impossible t/f should not be a thing anymore and I hope the one time I was apart of it was the only time that was hosted because it was very frustrating to the players
7) be more understanding to the players. I understand that we are the ones contributing our time for the players, but at the end of the day, it’s the players that matter the most - as annoying as they can be...... they are what keep this game alive and ensuring their needs are met as long as it is of reasonable boundaries, because we volunteered OURSELVES to be a staff-member. As frustrating as it can be, we DID sign up for all the bullshit that we deal with from the players... it’s what makes us the
best server. Having staff that actually care and are honest and kind towards the players, and are fairly active.
I do NOT believe ANYONE should be banned from ALL events, but more of a zero tolerance rule, like, you tell the player that one smart remark and they will be getting the boot. Let’s not make events smaller than they already are please.
although I am getting a feeling that this thread was made out of anger, I’m glad it is here cause I’ve wanted to say this for a while I just haven’t, but now I have :I
add-on; getting feedback from players that isn’t straight insults could definitely help them host better in the future. But the way a majority of the event players like to play is to whine as to why they were killed or kicked without providing any constructive criticism.