Let me know what u think please..
The thing is... in Prison.. they just camp hit one and hide all the time.. and if u come out ur dead anyway.. so basicly no chance of winning.. its to over powered in that map.
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Let me know what u think please..
The thing is... in Prison.. they just camp hit one and hide all the time.. and if u come out ur dead anyway.. so basicly no chance of winning.. its to over powered in that map.
useless.
Why useless? cus u love sniping?Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker
remove sniper from game - raise average skill level /thread
no, its just useless to use sniper in duel tournyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mump
snipers take 2 hits usually to kill from a distance
shotguns take 2 hits usually to kill from nearby
You need leet dodge skills against a sniper. :D
Not really true if the sniper is bad you can walk it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnaBoo
let me put it like this:
If you remove sniper from DT also remove shotgun from DT :4
They both are OP at different ranges
remove sniper from game period.
Snipes better than spammed sg's oll dei. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by traumatis3r
Rofl. Shotguns is not op at all. You need aim to be able to kill some1 with shotguns. However, snipers dmg is way too op and too ez to aim. Its like using revs but with much more dmg and the only thing is u need to scope b4 u can shoot. Random noobs that cant aim uses snipers so they can spam and hope they can get a kill LOL. Please don argue with me l0l. Ask those snipers why do they use snipers? Because they are bad at shotguns, they cant aim. Thats y they chose the op weapon lololol. Snipers needs a nerf.Quote:
Originally Posted by von_kram
youre so ignorant it's not even funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Fearsome
You say Shotguns aren't OP yet, I use shotguns all the time all you have to do is aim near the character model. At least with a sniper you have to aim at the character model, I'm good with both Shotguns and Snipers, and I find Snipers more fun because it's harder to aim someone that knows how to play then it is with shotguns. All it takes is hitting at least an inch next to the character's model to hit someone. To get good damage you need aim with any gun, and honestly the only difference between shotguns and snipers is Snipers are long range and Shotguns are short range. If you are any good with shotguns then all you gotta do is pb 2 times to get a kill. Snipers have to aim and hit 2 shots to even get a kill. So please Gtfo, with your ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fearsome
Op weapon???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Replay of you using snipe since ur soo proooooooooooo plsssssssssssss gmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???????????????????????????????
wow Oo. "snipers spam" do you know what does "spam" means? (i didn't mean the spam brand of corned beef if someone will go and be a smart ass). I'm a sniper at the same time sg user, it's fun using sniper at first 'cause eventually you could get a better aim (it could be a training to get a good aim) when using sg. and like what they said, SG and Snipes are OP in different manner/ranges. so dont QQ about players using snipers, or maybe you're bad at snipe and you cant aim using it? Oo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fearsome
I lmao when I read this. How the F is sg op? When u fight from distance with SG it does 9 dmg...... When u stand on the other side of the map and u hit somebody with sniper the person who got hit is immediatly low. IF that sniper also has a spray or a rev it's auto win. U can block SG shots, u cannot block snipe shots. Today I got many times hit by sniper in Garden and after one hit I was always 11 hp. This was from a decent distance. That is pure bullshit and it ruins K-style. Everyone can stand from a far distance and snipe other guys. Or running in to alleys to snipe who ever follows u. Snipers always camp and run and that is so Fking lame and that makes them OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinkLe
It ruins the game. Spray and rev are all part of the game and the weaknesses are balanced. I know randoms who get sniper when they are mad. Why? Because it's fking OP when u start running & hiding with it. U called him ignorant but you are being arrogant.
There's a lot of comparisons being drawn here between SGs and snipers...
SGs are KIND OF OP in close range, but now that we have more powerful smgs and double MGs that kind of goes away. SGs sort of have a niche role now, which is why we can see complaints popping up and more weapon variety. You can no longer charge sprayers and hope to win; there is a positional factor. So SGs have their own place in the game.
Sprays have their own place in the game, although it sucks that the donor ones are where the boundary is more defined.
Snipers have a similar problem with sprays IMO where it's primarily the donor sniper that is complained about because it can basically 1 hit kill you. And with the way gunz is coded a headshot is from the upper chest to the top of the head, making headshots a bit easier. I personally think snipers are crowding out sprays in the mid-long range area and most definitely revs, which were once viewed as versatile weapons for all ranges. I read somewhere that the donor sniper is only like 10 damage more than the ones available for free in the shop, but I didn't double check that...so if that's true then I think that penetration needs to be changed for snipers, making it so that there are no headshots.
As it stands, snipers are pretty strong at all ranges. They can be annoying and difficult to use in close range, but they can also work just as well, which is a problem that should be addressed.
It's unfortunate that it hasn't been addressed as of yet. Increasing the time before firing and after zooming in would help in this regard as well.
Removes snipers from duel tourny and regular duel
i can aim with both, but i love them both because its always different, sg = spam, sniper = aim/fire/run&hide for people who actually can aim with shotguns against people with snipers and barely having aim, none of them should be complaining if i hit some1 twice or w/e if you are dead you are dead, doesn´t matter with what weapon. A weapon is still a weapon if you die, you need to take it as a lesson or revenge them and get a sniper yourself. Crying does not solve anything. :)
I don't see a need to remove snipers from DT. I see a need for people complaining about snipers to get better with different weapons.
No shit if you're going up against a sniper in DT with SGs it's gonna be more difficult. Whose problem is that ? I'd say yours.
Get good with other weapons. Stop trying to take away what makes the part of the game fun for others just because you can't kill them with the only guns you're good with.
DT or not, no weapon should be able to 1 hit kill you from anywhere if you have so much as been slashed a single time.
Also, shotguns generally take 3 shots minimum unless you're always playing [V] and 2 shots are pretty rare.
This is why people complained about introducing snipers before they were even implemented, and it seems no one wants to admit the imbalance.
My problem with snipers is more along the implementation and how the balancing process went. As far as I know, revolvers were bumped up in control (the higher the control value, the worse they shoot) because, with antilead PLUS roomtags, they would be OP as they would hit so much more on-crosshair. My problem comes where ALL THE SNIPERS have 0 control and only recoil when fired-- which honestly does **** all unless you're using the Lv. 85 variant with the small delay; in which is the only case having no after-fire recoil would be ridiculously powerful.
As much as snipers annoy me, I'm still okay with them, I just don't like how they were presented on here; where revolvers were nerfed via accuracy vs. sniper's 0 control (always hits on crosshair except with wall collision)-- where a sniper is clearly stronger to the point where 2 easy/gimped shots can cause a cheap kill. I know that's how snipers should be, but on a game like gunz, there needs to be an exception somewhere if you're trying to "balance" the game.
inb4bitching about balance on a dead game.
I agree with the above. The sniper concept surely came through on gunz, but the balance not so much.
first person to actually talk some truth on this thread tbh I wouldn't mind snipers if they weren't so opQuote:
Originally Posted by Dualage
On a side note - I never understood why type-95 was the highest level sniper in the bounty shop. It seems completely useless for practical purposes and doesn't even make sense for being the highest level sniper. I can see the concept they were aiming for, but they definitely missed the mark.
Snipers are hugely nerfed here to actually have 2 types of delay;
1. scope delay (you have to wait for the scope to be there (yes there's a small amount of delay there)
2. delay after firing one shot.
Found this out by just trying another p-server that has snipers implemented, I could fire those snipers with high speed (a bit faster then shotgun reload shots) and 3 ammo in each sniper while being able to kill a full donor max HP/AP with 3 shots using the lowest level snipers (around 85 dmg per shot). Thats what i would call imbalanced (if not insanely imbalanced)
I agree on the type-95 to be the most useless gun ever, you can't even get 3 hits in a row with that gun because of the huge recoil (you would be better of with a rifle)Quote:
Originally Posted by Suggestive
why why whyyyyyyyy
Lol, Improve your english please, but Snipers are shit unless you have actual aim so even at a distance you need aim to get hits. Also, with shotguns you don't have the movement decrease so you can just dodge, and yet still can spam if you know how to late dash with shotguns. So honestly you laugh about what I stated because you obviously have no dodging abilities and it's impossible to block shotgun bullets just aim for the feet, it's same mechanic with snipers. So, enjoy your laugh about what I stated, but your argument isn't valid. Please, try to find a better argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azula
snipers = revs but even more op so revs = useless also snipers take less skill to use than revs and revs cant 2shot from long range
damn yall cry cus lose vs sniper (coming from sger kk)
My key setup I use is whack I don't like using snipers but I don't have anything against them, I stay up the wall
Snipers just need to be balanced for the game and not conceptually. DT or not really doesn't matter.
As much as I dislike playing against snipers; I wouldn't say they lack in any form of skill as those who really know how to use snipers are actually very skillful which is somewhat painful to admit.
Although I don't understand why snipers should be 2-shotting or 1-shotting on headshots; I understand that it should be correct in terms of its concept but if we actually use concepts on all of the weapons then rifles should be able to 5-6 shot from a range, revolvers should do more damage and single/dual revolver damage should not differ, rocket launchers should kill a person in a single on-point shot, shotguns should 1-shot from PB range, a sword/dagger/melee weapons should be insta-kill. Snipers should be somewhat more adjusted to how GunZ itself works whilst referring to how all of the other weapons work; seems rather silly to decide to keep snipers as they are in terms of its "realism" and then not doing the same with the others.
I mean, revolvers have always been on my mind.
Single revolvers do half the damage of duals and have half the ammunition. Makes sense since dual revolvers involve shooting both revs at once; taking that into account, dual revs should have their ammo halved or use up 2 bullets per shot rather than one. If not then balance dual revs with single revs.
Single revs are actually great weapons but because they're terribly underpowered, no one sees a reason to use them but I've personally found that aiming is much more accurate with single revs however when considering it's efficiency against other weapons; it makes no sense to actually use them.
Single revs have no real purpose in the game at all; not once will you see a player with them. Some focus should be brought onto this imo.
I don't know if it's just me but personally I don't think anything should be able to take HP when you still have AP left just saying...
I really think the main thing that irritates people about this issue, me included, is that the donation sniper can almost one-hit kill you from anywhere on the map. And a skilled player can set this up even in close range, so it can be quite tough and annoying. Are we going to force everyone on the server to learn how to consistently late dash and move evasively just to have a chance at dodging these? Lol.
Why does a sniper get to 1-shot you? This is GunZ. Who thought this through? Seriously.
I came back because I was told that weapons and donors and all that stuff were way more balanced than they used to be and they seem far from it, but on the other hand I use shotguns and got cussed by someone with snipers because I killed them I'm a noob because I have donors :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Suggestive