Let's talk balance

Let me start off by saying I'm going to remove weapon damage drop-off and minrange/maxrange in the next update due to the feedback we received. Yes!

I've read a bunch of posts regarding the balance of shotguns and other weapons. Let me tell you it's not as easy as it looks. Not all of the suggestions were complete and covered all shotguns, so here's your chance to help us work on the best balance for [S] Shotguns.

<!-- Shotguns: Single - Standard (5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time) -->
[fill in: dmg, delay]

Lvl 1:
Lvl 10:
Lvl 20:
Lvl 30:
Lvl 40:
Lvl 50:
Lvl 60:
Lvl 70:
Lvl 80:
Lvl 85:
Lvl 90:
Lvl 95:
Event:
Donation 100c:
Donation 200c:
Limitbreaker:

I'm open for changes and suggestions.
I want to see what you guys think and if you can agree on a certain balance.

limitbreaker - 10 dmg, 1000 delay
rest scales proportionally

Update; also, i think all shotguns besides limitbreaker should have the same number of bullets (not 3 or something ridiculous like snipers have)

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Update; also, i think all weapons besides limitbreaker should have the same number of bullets (not 3 or something ridiculous like snipers have)

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This

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Originally Posted by McSic

<!-- Shotguns: Single - Standard -->
[fill in: dmg, delay]

Lvl 1:
Lvl 10:
Lvl 20:
Lvl 30:
Lvl 40:
Lvl 50:
Lvl 60:
Lvl 70:
Lvl 80:
Lvl 85:
Lvl 90:
Lvl 95:
Event:
Donation 100c:
Donation 200c:
Limitbreaker:

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is based on standard shotguns with 5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time.

Lvl 1: 9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 10:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 20:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 30:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 40:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 50:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 60:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 70:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 80:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 85:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 90:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 95:9 dmg 1000 delay
Event:9 dmg 1000 delay
Donation 100c:9 dmg 1000 delay
Donation 200c:9 dmg 1000 delay
Limitbreaker:9 dmg 1000 delay

all 5 bullets or 6 :D

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Originally Posted by McSic

This

is based on standard shotguns with 5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time.

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yeah but, i believe you refunded the guns such as mayuri because they only have 3 'bullets' before you have to reload?
right now theres only 1 of each donation item, not standard/heavy/light (maybe you could look into adding that, maybe youre planning to regardless..)

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Originally Posted by Portgaz

Lvl 1: 9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 10:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 20:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 30:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 40:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 50:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 60:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 70:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 80:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 85:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 90:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 95:9 dmg 1000 delay
Event:9 dmg 1000 delay
Donation 100c:9 dmg 1000 delay
Donation 200c:9 dmg 1000 delay
Limitbreaker:9 dmg 1000 delay

all 5 bullets or 6 :D

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Agree up until Limitbreaker.

It is a legendary item from the luckybox and needs to be „special“ so to speak. I‘d say, put it back to 10 damage.

Oh and, donators should have a little less delay, because, if it‘s all the same then what‘s the point?

could you correct this? at fgunz.net/luckybox this appears ..

https://i.imgur.com/RS122t2.png

and actually we have this

https://i.imgur.com/ZQvgMFu.png

Lvl 1: 1000 delay, 7 dmg, 5/20
Lvl 10-20: 950 delay, 7 dmg, 5/20
Lvl 30-50: 1000 delay, 8 dmg, 5/20
Lvl 60-80: 1100 delay, 9 dmg, 5/20
Lvl 85-99: 1100 delay, 9 dmg, 5/20
Event: 950 delay, 9 dmg, 4/25
Donation 100c: 1000 delay, 9 dmg, 5/20
Donation 200c: 950 delay, 9 dmg, 5/25
Limitbreaker: 1000 delay, 10 dmg, 6/20

idk about the weight its ok the way it is

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Originally Posted by Zaku

could you correct this? at fgunz.net/luckybox this appears ..

https://i.imgur.com/RS122t2.png

and actually we have this

https://i.imgur.com/ZQvgMFu.png

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Bamboozled yet again.

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Originally Posted by McSic

This
is based on standard shotguns with 5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time.

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The limitbreakers currently weigh 14. Does this mean that they'll be increased to 15, or does it pertain to all [S] shotguns except the limitbreakers (as it is currently)?

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Originally Posted by EternalBeast

The limitbreakers currently weigh 14. Does this mean that they'll be increased to 15, or does it pertain to all [S] shotguns except the limitbreakers (as it is currently)?

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In this case, yes, I'm suggesting/imagining them with 15 weight. But you're free to do what you want with their stats. Weight, clip size, damage, delay, etc. etc.

Make sure not to take suggestion from this thread too seriously. I can already see questers and event heroes trying to give their intake on what 'balance is' which is fking retarded. If you want I can even provide you a list of people who did post who are somewhat decent in this game.

My take on this:
Remove gems since it's overly pay2win. I don't want to be able to do 8% more dmg than someone. That's insane.

Make lb 6pelletx5 10dmg 950delay cause i dont want lb to give 1 more dmg or 1 pellet more than donor sgs. Thats broken and pay2win. Best option is to reduce by 50 delay.

Make 200 coin 6pelletx5 10dmg 1000delay

Make 100 coin 5pelletx5 10dmg 1000delay

Just make sure that the lvl 99 sgs are the same as the 100 coin ones, and it should be fine. People who complain about balance tend to be donor users afterall.

Just to let you know, balance isn't the only factor that will raise the popularity of this server. So sort out anti-hack as well.

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Originally Posted by Akimbo

Make sure not to take suggestion from this thread too seriously. I can already see questers and event heroes trying to give their intake on what 'balance is' which is fking retarded. If you want I can even provide you a list of people who did post who are somewhat decent in this game.

My take on this:
Remove gems since it's overly pay2win. I don't want to be able to do 8% more dmg than someone. That's insane.

Make lb 6pelletx5 9dmg 950delay cause i dont want lb to give 1 more dmg or 1 pellet more than donor sgs. Thats broken and pay2win. Best option is to reduce by 50 delay.

Make 200 coin 6pelletx5 9dmg 1000delay

Make 100 coin 5pelletx5 9dmg 1000delay

Just make sure that the lvl 99 sgs are the same as the 100 coin ones, and it should be fine. People who complain about balance tend to be donor users afterall.

Just to let you know, balance isn't the only factor that will raise the popularity of this server. So sort out anti-hack as well.

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Now if you could suggest stats and delay/dmg for Lvl 1 to 95 too, that'd be great.

We've updated the Anti-Hack recently (and we're doing so constantly, without you noticing) and I believe it's doing a good job right now. The last time a hacker was reported was 5 days ago. We've taken measures since.

Can you also make Gems PVE use only please? You dont really need percentage dmg reduction or percentage dmg.

Also make donor sgs 9 dmg 5 ammo 1000 delay , old Lb 10 dmg 6 ammo 1000 delay, new LB 11 dmg 5 ammo 1000 delay

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Originally Posted by Sunfire

Can you also make Gems PVE use only please? You dont really need percentage dmg reduction or percentage dmg.

Also make donor sgs 9 dmg 5 ammo 1000 delay , old Lb 10 dmg 6 ammo 1000 delay, new LB 11 dmg 5 ammo 1000 delay

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Please follow the format of

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Originally Posted by McSic

Lvl 1:
Lvl 10:
Lvl 20:
Lvl 30:
Lvl 40:
Lvl 50:
Lvl 60:
Lvl 70:
Lvl 80:
Lvl 85:
Lvl 90:
Lvl 95:
Event:
Donation 100c:
Donation 200c:
Limitbreaker:

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so I get a better picture.

the fact that IA and R are removed can now actually benefit you in many ways considering players are no longer able to spam -
you can give shotguns even 7 or 8 'bullets' before you have to reload and lower the damage offering more playstyles to support those who complain about their removal.

it could look something like this, but what do i know, im just an event hero.

(a new list of shotguns, not L or H or S, with more ammo than usual.

Lvl 1: 5 dmg 1000 delay 8 bullets
Lvl 50: 6 dmg 1000 delay 8 bullets
Lvl 95: 6 dmg 1000 delay 9 bullets
Limitbreaker: 7 dmg 950 or 900 delay+9 bullets

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Originally Posted by Bunny

the fact that IA and R are removed can now actually benefit you in many ways considering players are no longer able to spam -
you can give shotguns even 7 or 8 'bullets' before you have to reload and lower the damage offering more playstyles to support those who complain about their removal.

it could look something like this, but what do i know, im just an event hero.

(a new list of shotguns, not L or H or S, with more ammo than usual.

Lvl 1: 5 dmg 1000 delay 8 bullets
Lvl 50: 6 dmg 1000 delay 8 bullets
Lvl 95: 6 dmg 1000 delay 9 bullets
Limitbreaker: 7 dmg 950 or 900 delay+9 bullets

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??
what do u mean 9 bullets

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Originally Posted by Eagle

??
what do u mean 9 bullets

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9 in the magazine before needing to reload.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

the fact that IA and R are removed can now actually benefit you in many ways considering players are no longer able to spam -
you can give shotguns even 7 or 8 'bullets' before you have to reload and lower the damage offering more playstyles to support those who complain about their removal.

it could look something like this, but what do i know, im just an event hero.

(a new list of shotguns, not L or H or S, with more ammo than usual.

Lvl 1: 5 dmg 1000 delay 8 bullets
Lvl 50: 6 dmg 1000 delay 8 bullets
Lvl 95: 6 dmg 1000 delay 9 bullets
Limitbreaker: 7 dmg 950 or 900 delay+9 bullets

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That kind of damage is way too low. The trade-off between clip and damage wouldn't be worth it. Ever since the v8 update, (i) more often than not, 1 or 2 hits at point blank range after a massive or flip still don't kill players (even with 2x 12-dmg limitbreakers and normal pings -- now that always elicits a "WTF is going on" reaction), (ii) in general, sadly, even pbs seem to be very less effective at times. Also, with the new hitbox, lowering the damage to 6 and 7 would certainly make things worse, especially when players can now have 150+ hp.

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Originally Posted by EternalBeast

That kind of damage is way too low. The trade-off between clip and damage wouldn't be worth it. Ever since the v8 update, (i) more often than not, 1 or 2 hits at point blank range after a massive or flip still don't kill players (even with 2x 12-dmg limitbreakers and normal pings -- now that always elicits a "WTF is going on" reaction), (ii) in general, sadly, even pbs seem to be very less effective at times. Also, with the new hitbox, lowering the damage to 6 and 7 would certainly make things worse, especially when players can now have 150+ hp.

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oh well, i only suggested rough estimates. i dont really know the importance of clip over damage, as im just an event hero and players who often play the gun involving gamemodes can give some feedback and change the stats to something that would be more balanced/reasonable. i think that adding more bullets per magazine is a good step for supporting a bigger part of the community (since they played using spam for so long)

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Originally Posted by Bunny

oh well, i only suggested rough estimates. i dont really know the importance of clip over damage, as im just an event hero and players who often play the gun involving gamemodes can give some feedback and change the stats to something that would be more balanced/reasonable. i think that adding more bullets per magazine is a good step for supporting a bigger part of the community (since they played using spam for so long)

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Yeah, that'd definitely help, but just not at the expense of damage.

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Originally Posted by McSic

Now if you could suggest stats and delay/dmg for Lvl 1 to 95 too, that would help.

We've updated the Anti-Hack recently (and we're doing so constantly, without you noticing) and I believe it's doing a good job right now. The last time a hacker was reported was 5 days ago. We've taken measures since.

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No one is getting reported cause no one good plays the server anymore. Everyone moved to the other big server including me apart from hackers such as damian and rein who moved to some other server because they cant use their hacks in the big server.

Also you can still use UC in this server which is the main hack that a good amount of players use. You can use it streaming and still be undetected.

Also for lvl 0 - 95 sgs just make it scale from 1050 to 1000 delay and also scale it with dmg. The lvl 95 sg should equal the stats of a 100coin donor sg.

Lvl 1: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 10: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 20: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 30: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 40: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 50: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 60: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 70: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 80: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 85: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 90: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 95: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
(Added) Lvl 99: 9dmg/950delay 5x20 ammo (For those who dont donate/earn coins)
Event: 9dmg/950delay 5clip
Donation 100c: 9dmg/950delay 5clip
Donation 200c: 9dmg/950delay 6clip
Limitbreaker: 10dmg/1000delay 6clip
Limitbreaker X: 10dmg/1000delay 6clip

The limitbreakers need some advantage over the rest since they're more rare.

I believe this to be the most balanced between non-donor and donor. Anything under 950 delay, over 10 damage, less than 5 clip, or more than 6 clip is too much in my opinion. You lose some and you win some you cant always be a winner.

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Originally Posted by Prone

Lvl 1: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 10: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 20: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 30: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 40: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 50: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 60: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 70: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 80: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 85: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 90: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
Lvl 95: 9dmg/1000delay 5clip
(Added) Lvl 99: 9dmg/950delay 5x20 ammo (For those who dont donate/earn coins)
Event: 9dmg/950delay 5clip
Donation 100c: 9dmg/950delay 5clip
Donation 200c: 9dmg/950delay 6clip
Limitbreaker: 10dmg/1000delay 6clip
Limitbreaker X: 10dmg/1000delay 6clip

The limitbreakers need some advantage over the rest since they're more rare.

I believe this to be the most balanced between non-donor and donor. Anything under 950 delay, over 10 damage, less than 5 clip, or more than 6 clip is too much in my opinion. You lose some and you win some you cant always be a winner.

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So whats the point of gaining levels when 1-95 is same dmg and ammo

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Originally Posted by Nimer

So whats the point of gaining levels when 1-95 is same dmg and ammo

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Nothing really. Because since level barely matters nowadays and since its relatively easy to earn coins nowadays, but even so its still balanced with the donor weapons.

And the difference is the rings you get as you level up. You have slightly lower HP:AP at a lower level and a higher HP:AP at a higher level (unless you have donor rings)

Here's my idea.

Shotguns: Single - Standard
5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 10: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 30: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 50: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 70: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 85: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 95: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Event: Same as 90/95; 1000 delay, 9 damage
Donation 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage

Shotguns: Single - Heavy
3 x 5 clip, 16 weight, 2.2 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 10: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 30: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 50: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 70: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 85: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 95: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Donation 100c: 1200 delay, 12 damage
Donation 200c: 1100 delay, 12 damage

Shotguns: Single - Light
6 x 5 clip, 14 weight, 1.8 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 10: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 30: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 50: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 70: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 85: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 95: 900 delay, 8 damage
Donation 100c: 950 delay, 9 damage
Donation 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by McSic

Donation 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage

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Donation 100c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
Donation 200c: 950 delay, 10 damage
Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage ;)

Edit:
Donation 100c: 4/20 magazine
Donation 200c: 5/20 magazine
Limitbreaker/x: 5/25 magazine

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Originally Posted by McSic

Here's my idea.
What do you think?

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A few suggestions:

Shotguns: Single - Standard
5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 1.8 sec reload time [1]Swap reload times of standard and light shotguns due to their delays.

Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 10: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 30: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 50: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 70: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 85: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 95: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Event: Same as 90/95; 1000 delay, 9 damage [2] Move to light category with 950 delay and 9 damage. Being the same as standard 90-95 would make it useless--players could just stick to 90-95 bounty instead of wasting event points.
Donation 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage //[3] 6 x 5 clip, 14 weight

Shotguns: Single - Heavy
4 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.2 sec reload time //[4] 4 x 5 clip, or they're pretty much useless

Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 10: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 30: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 50: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 70: 1100 delay, 10 damage

/* [5] Get rid of these
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 85: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 95: 1100 delay, 11 damage
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Donation 100c: 1200 delay, 11 damage //[6] Restrict heavy shotguns to max 11 damage since we also have gems.
Donation 200c: 1100 delay, 11 damage

Shotguns: Single - Light
5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time //[7]Since the delay is low, 5x5 clip seems reasonable.

Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 10: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 30: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 50: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 70: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 85: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 95: 900 delay, 8 damage
[8]Add Event shotgun to this category instead: 950 delay, 9 damage. Same as donor, but is limited & requires event points
Donation 100c: 950 delay, 9 damage
Donation 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage

50 extra delay is nothing vs 1 extra damage.

Donation = 5 Clip / 30

Limit Breaker = 6 / 30

Clips Plays AN IMPORTANT role because now we don't have [IA]

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Originally Posted by Portgaz

Lvl 1: 9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 10:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 20:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 30:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 40:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 50:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 60:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 70:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 80:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 85:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 90:9 dmg 1000 delay
Lvl 95:9 dmg 1000 delay
Event:9 dmg 1000 delay
Donation 100c:9 dmg 1000 delay
Donation 200c:9 dmg 1000 delay
Limitbreaker:9 dmg 1000 delay

all 5 bullets or 6 :D

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Then might as well just have a single shotgun

Lvl 1 6 dmg, 1100 delay, 4 bullets.
Lvl 10 6 dmg, 1100 delay, 5 bullets
Lvl 20 6 dmg, 1050 delay, 4 bullets.
Lvl 30 6 dmg, 1050 delay, 5 bullets.
Lvl 40 7 dmg, 1100 delay, 5 bullets.
Lvl 50 7 dmg, 1000 delay, 4 bullets.
Lvl 60 7 dmg, 1000 delay, 5 bullets.
Lvl 70 8 dmg, 1050 delay, 5 bullets.
Lvl 80 8 dmg, 1000 delay, 5 bullets.
Lvl 85 9 dmg, 1050 delay, 4 bullets.
Lvl 90 9 dmg, 1050 delay, 5 bullets.
Lvl 95 9 dmg, 1000 delay, 5 bullets.
Event 9 dmg, 1000 delay, 5 bullets.
Donation 100c 9 dmg, 1000 delay, 5 bullets.
Donation 200c 10 dmg, 1000 delay, 5 bullets.
Limitbreaker 10 dmg, 1000 delay, 6 bullets.

Lvl 1: 7 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 10: 7 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 20: 7 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 30: 7 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 40: 7 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 50: 7 Damage 1050 Delay (5 Clip)
Lvl 60: 8 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 70: 8 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 80: 8 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 85: 8 Damage 1050 Delay (5 Clip)
Lvl 90: 9 Damage 1050 Delay (4 Clip)
Lvl 95: 9 Damage 1050 Delay (5 Clip)
Event: 9 Damage 1050 Delay (5 Clip)
Donation 100c: 9 Damage 1000 Delay (5 Clip)
Donation 200c: 9 Damage 950 Delay (5 Clip )
Limitbreaker: 10 Damage 1000 Delay (5 Clip)
Limitbreaker X : 10 Damage 1100 Delay (6 Clip)

Limitbreakers can be a costly shotgun to obtain therefore they need somewhat a P2P aspect over other shotguns but nothing to drastic that's why I've chosen to alter both differently by changing clip/delay of each one. Although they are of a higher damage output you have to sacrifice delay for each one and even more so for the Limitbreaker X extra clip size.

Also I'd remove Pioneer from shop, replace LimitBreaker X with it, even call it a Pioneer X since its stats won't mimic exactly what IJJI Pioneer was ;)

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Originally Posted by McSic

Here's my idea

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1) standard shotguns for basically everyone
2) heavy shotguns with low clip high damage like the ones you remember from Aeria/Ijji
3) light shotguns with high clip low delay for those that want the V7 feel

Updated so you unlock 2 shotguns at 1/20/40/80/90; makes it fair for lvl 1 players.

Shotguns: Single - Standard
5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Event: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage

Shotguns: Single - Heavy
3 x 5 clip, 16 weight, 2.2 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Donation 100c: 1200 delay, 12 damage
Donation 200c: 1100 delay, 12 damage

Shotguns: Single - Light
6 x 5 clip, 14 weight, 1.8 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Donation 100c: 950 delay, 9 damage
Donation 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage

I believe we could give this a try.

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Originally Posted by McSic

1) standard shotguns for basically everyone
2) heavy shotguns with low clip high damage like the ones you remember from Aeria/Ijji
3) light shotguns with high clip (6) and low delay for those that want to 'spam' their shotguns

Updated so you unlock 2 shotguns at 1/20/40/80/90; makes it fair for lvl 1 players.

Shotguns: Single - Standard
5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Event: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage

Shotguns: Single - Heavy
3 x 5 clip, 16 weight, 2.2 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Donation 100c: 1200 delay, 12 damage
Donation 200c: 1100 delay, 12 damage

Shotguns: Single - Light
6 x 5 clip, 14 weight, 1.8 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Donation 100c: 950 delay, 9 damage
Donation 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage

I believe we could give this a try.

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Light

[L] GENESIS REVENGE 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage, 6 magazine.
[L] DUELISTO SHOTGUN 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage, 6 magazine.
[L] PONY SHOTGUN 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage, 6 magazine.

Standard

[S] DONATION SHOTGUN 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
[S] DONATION SHOTGUN II 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
[S] BLACK INFINITY 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
[S] BLACK INFINITY II 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
[S] BLACK MAMBA 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
[S] BLACK MAMBA II 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage

Heavy

[H] HUMANRAGE SHOTGUN 200c: 1100 delay, 12 damage
[H] SC12 SHOTGUN 200c: 1100 delay, 12 damage
[H] MAYURI SHOTGUN 200c: 1100 delay, 12 damage

Legendary

Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage, 6 magazine.

remove gems

remove light, middle, heavy or w.e its called
all sg's 1k delay, 9dmg

lb 1k delay 10dmg or 900 delay 9dmg

all you need

the concept of gems n this light heavy mix is really stupid, gunz isnt an mmorpg especially with its active player base something like this wasn't bound to work from day 1.

enjoy

Remove all the gem

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Originally Posted by Akimbo

Make sure not to take suggestion from this thread too seriously. I can already see questers and event heroes trying to give their intake on what 'balance is' which is fking retarded.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

the fact that IA and R are removed can now actually benefit you in many ways considering players are no longer able to spam -

you can give shotguns even 7 or 8 'bullets' before you have to reload and lower the damage offering more playstyles to support those who complain about their removal.

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>Spam is removed from IA
>Lets bring back spam with 8clips.

Lol

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Originally Posted by Eeksdee

Then might as well just have a single shotgun

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That was the point. He structured like W T T, the most successful competitive server where everyone has no advantage and no p2w and only skill reigns.

@McSic
It looks like your current proposal is worth a shot. I don't think donors should have +2 dmg over max bounty or it's heavily biased to P2W. The Only thing I'll say for now is that Avengers (Heavy SG) started at 10dmg not 9. In order to compete with a standard Breaker in ijji. For a shotgun, DMG will always be more crucial than delay like StephanM says. Delay will only have small dent in gameplay since Kstyle is around, and H shotguns would benefit the least from delay drops with due to the low ammo.

Oh and thanks in advance for removing drop-off, I still think the new accurate hitbox needs to go, but at least there's some give instead of killing the server out of pure stubbornness

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Originally Posted by McSic

1) standard shotguns for basically everyone
2) heavy shotguns with low clip high damage like the ones you remember from Aeria/Ijji
3) light shotguns with high clip low delay for those that want the V7 feel

Updated so you unlock 2 shotguns at 1/20/40/80/90; makes it fair for lvl 1 players.

Shotguns: Single - Standard
5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Event: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage

Shotguns: Single - Heavy
3 x 5 clip, 16 weight, 2.2 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Donation 100c: 1200 delay, 12 damage
Donation 200c: 1100 delay, 12 damage

Shotguns: Single - Light
6 x 5 clip, 14 weight, 1.8 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Donation 100c: 950 delay, 9 damage
Donation 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage

I believe we could give this a try.

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The standard and light ones are alright, just the heavy ones need more love. At ijji you had alot less HP/AP, now with the gems you can stack up to 149HP/124AP. So let me do the calculation when one shotgun shot spreads out 12 bullets:

Standard Donation 200c with 10 damage and 5 clips
10 damage x 12 bullets x 5 clips = 600 MAX DMG when every bullet is hitting (PB)

Heavy Donation 200c with 12 damage and 3 clips
12 damage x 12 bullets x 3 clips = 432 MAX DMG when every bullet is hitting (PB)

Light Donation 200c with 9 damage and 6 clips
9 damage x 12 bullets x 6 clips = 648 MAX DMG when every bullet is hitting (PB)

As you can see Light has the best MAX DMG and also has the lowest weight, delay and reload time. On the other side Heavy has the highest weight, reload time and delay and the lowest MAX DMG. But you also need to reconsider that 6 shots take longer than 3 shots, on the other hand it's pretty dumb when you are empty and your opponent still has 3 shots left. The Movement is also handicapped when you get chased because you need to reload 2.2 secs with the Heavy ones.My suggestion is to make the Heavy ones 4 clips, 1000 delay and 2 sec reload time.

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Originally Posted by McSic

1) standard shotguns for basically everyone
2) heavy shotguns with low clip high damage like the ones you remember from Aeria/Ijji
3) light shotguns with high clip low delay for those that want the V7 feel

Updated so you unlock 2 shotguns at 1/20/40/80/90; makes it fair for lvl 1 players.

Shotguns: Single - Standard
5 x 5 clip, 15 weight, 2.0 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 1: 1050 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 20: 1000 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 40: 1050 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 60: 1000 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 80: 1050 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 90: 1000 delay, 9 damage
Event: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 100c: 1050 delay, 10 damage
Donation 200c: 1000 delay, 10 damage
Limitbreaker/x: 1000 delay, 11 damage

Shotguns: Single - Heavy
3 x 5 clip, 16 weight, 2.2 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 1: 1200 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 20: 1100 delay, 9 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 40: 1200 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 60: 1100 delay, 10 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 80: 1200 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Lvl 90: 1100 delay, 11 damage
Donation 100c: 1200 delay, 12 damage
Donation 200c: 1100 delay, 12 damage

Shotguns: Single - Light
6 x 5 clip, 14 weight, 1.8 sec reload time

Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 1: 950 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 20: 900 delay, 6 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 40: 950 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 60: 900 delay, 7 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 80: 950 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Lvl 90: 900 delay, 8 damage
Donation 100c: 950 delay, 9 damage
Donation 200c: 900 delay, 9 damage

I believe we could give this a try.

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I actually think this would work. you would make like 90% of the players happy this way.

this

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Originally Posted by ChloeOnFire

remove gems

remove light, middle, heavy or w.e its called
all sg's 1k delay, 9dmg

lb 1k delay 10dmg or 900 delay 9dmg

all you need

the concept of gems n this light heavy mix is really stupid, gunz isnt an mmorpg especially with its active player base something like this wasn't bound to work from day 1.

enjoy

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and this

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Originally Posted by blkecuoppro

Remove all the gem

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Why are you even using a system like this when outside of the fgunz community no one understands, nor wants to deal with this upgrading bullshit, is this meant to attract players, because it's not working that way, from a new players perspective It'd be easier just to go back to their main server, then to deal with this weird system. https://i.imgur.com/5VTgYxG.gif

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Originally Posted by Amers

this



and this



Why are you even using a system like this when outside of the fgunz community no one understands, nor wants to deal with this upgrading bullshit, is this meant to attract players, because it's not working that way, from a new players perspective It'd be easier just to go back to their main server, then to deal with this weird system. https://i.imgur.com/5VTgYxG.gif

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Maybe not their entire removal, but i disagree with the big advantage people get with them in events over other players/the host

Thanks for the feedback.
The next update is in the works and we can further adjust stuff post-update based on player feedback.