Vote kick system improvement

May the vote system show who toggled the vote? I would like to see that specific group/person vote kicking me repeatedly in TDMs.

5/29/2019 - Repeatedly kicked in tdm all day no matter what; Yes i made a form account specifically for this reason. Abusive of the vote kick system from people. (Votes were rejected) but still that is a bit excessive to be doing that.

Moral of story :

Anything i do without peeping a word or anything - vote kick Kappa Kappa Kappa

Been happening for a while now, at this point it's just being a pest.

Same thing has been happening to me as of lately. Adds up to like 4-5 kick attempts a day now for just talking with my friends lol. I'll join a room and be talking to my friend, not attacking or bothering anyone, and then out of no where I'm constantly trying to be kicked out of rooms with no reasoning. I think on top of showing who kicked you, it should make you pick from a short list of reasons for why you're starting the vote (i.e. Eddie wants to kick ___. Reason: Hacking. Do you accept? Y or N?) or (Eddie wants to kick ___. Reason: Harassment. Do you accept? Y or N?). This way if you keep getting kicked for BS reasons and did nothing wrong, you can screenshot the vote and report the player following you and kicking you, backing yourself up if say you had video evidence showing you did nothing wrong.

So something like Player1 is attempting to start a vote to kick Player2, do you agree to kick Player2? Yes/No I suppose?

Yes, something like that player1 is attempting to start a vote on player2. Sometimes i don't play on hooni to not get instant kicked from games. (Really what did i do to offend people) Smh.. I assume i have to start over as a new person in the server? Seems like the only logical solution.

inevergetkick coz im a noob butitwill be great if thatwillbemadesorry myspaceisbroken.needtobuynewkeyboardtommorow!

You can always whisper a online staff member when it happens so he can check it out

This has been suggested severeal times, each time it got declined.

Yes I looked into the history for forms as I can see it has been suggested many times. But targeting one person to be kicked out of every game lol common. Not even bothering anyone.

Possible. Waiting for more opinions.

I agree with all the claims above ^

BUT, the moment it shows the name of the vote starter things might get awkward.
Since many people are taking this game way too seriously it could cause weird grudges all around.....
yeah yeah I know it sounds weird as **** but hey, it is true if you get to know the people here, hehe.

Outcomes of votes are decided by the majority, so knowing who starts one doesn't really matter. Three options that could be useful:

1. Add a vote-based /unkick <name> command similar to /vote kick, so that players can let people back in instead of relying on staff members all the time.

2. Prevent a character/account from starting more than 1 vote in the same room, or make them wait for a certain time period before they can do it again (assuming they abuse room creations to get fresh votes).

3. Get rid of the bugged dialog box that appears sometimes when /kick is used.

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Originally Posted by EternalBeast

Outcomes of votes are decided by the majority, so knowing who starts one doesn't really matter.

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^This.

Pro: You'll know who is abusing the vote kick system.

Con: You'll hang them out and that will most likely cause drama.

It could greatly reduce abuse. Linzor brought up the drama part, which is entirely irrelevant. If someone abuses the kick system or kicks you for no good reason. He should expect hate. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. What goes around comes around. You're responsible for your actions, anyone bitching about it should be crucified.

Also bring back /vote kick ebezboi. I really miss using the voting system to mess with people.

It could help us GM's for reports. We sometimes get reports where someone is 'abusing' vote kick. But we can't really know for certain because we can't see who started the kick.

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Originally Posted by EternalBeast

1. Add a vote-based /unkick <name> command similar to /vote kick, so that players can let people back in instead of relying on staff members all the time.

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This is actually a wonderful idea, this way people will barely ask the staff members for unkicks.

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

It could help us GM's for reports. We sometimes get reports where someone is 'abusing' vote kick. But we can't really know for certain because we can't see who started the kick.

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And I totally agree with Joshua here, it's impossible to know who actually started the vote kick so sometimes they have no other option but to decline the appeal due lack of evidence.

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He should expect hate. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. What goes around comes around. You're responsible for your actions, anyone bitching about it should be crucified.

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Except this "hate" comes whether the kick was justified or not. People should not have to deal with that nonsense. Could easily lead to this guy doing worse things as revenge.

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Originally Posted by León

BUT, the moment it shows the name of the vote starter things might get awkward.
Since many people are taking this game way too seriously it could cause weird grudges all around.....
yeah yeah I know it sounds weird as **** but hey, it is true if you get to know the people here, hehe.

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But if you make it so the person who keeps starting the vote doesn't have the anonymity factor behind it, they probably won't feel willing to start a kick in the first place. So it won't really cause any drama if it's preventing the kick from happening.

And looking at kicks as their regular purpose when not being abused, (not saying you specifically lol) if you try to argue and say throwing in the name will make players feel afraid to kick someone, it makes no difference in my eyes. Even if you keep the name removed, if a player is being an asshole to you it's not gonna be hard for them to narrow down on who kicked them. It's more than likely gonna be the one who kept saying "stop" over and over to them... 9/10 they end up in your whispers anyways mocking you and trash talking you for kicking them.

If including the name is a no go, then at least implement an "unkick" vote like EB suggested for moments where you're unfairly kicked and it's being abused. People auto Y for the hell of it sometimes without even knowing what's going on.

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

It could help us GM's for reports. We sometimes get reports where someone is 'abusing' vote kick. But we can't really know for certain because we can't see who started the kick.

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It'd be useful if the usage of the /kick command was logged and GMs could view those logs. I think it's safe to assume that the admins already do this for staff commands. It'd save you the trouble of repeatedly asking players for proper evidence or declining reports due to insufficient evidence, and make it easy for you to punish the abusers.

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Originally Posted by Awful

Also bring back /vote kick ebezboi. I really miss using the voting system to mess with people.

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Agreed, this was a fun feature; why do only staff members get to play with fake votes now?

-I see many scenarios where people are Y'd out because they do not want to wait on the last two remaining people in a TDM (disrespect).

- Also if it did show the name of whose kicking who it, would make the person not want to abuse the kick system.

- Scenario 1:
Player 1 joins TDM --> few rounds go by --> Player 2 on other team does not like losing --> Player 2 toggle vote on Player 1 --> average player would obviously press y to avoid deaths from Player 1 ---> Now innocent player 1 will now be irritated ---> player 1 will seek revenge on whoever had done that vote. Now the revenge part he/she will now toxic to another player due to that unreasonable kick. (PUT in mind that he/she does not know who done it 100% so.. he/she will be salty now)

Scenario 2:

You join a TURBO DM and you're just playing as any other person playing gunz in a deathmatch ---> one person decides to kick you --> you wonder why --> ends up being vote accepted --> ??? ---> now you'll end up salty from an unreasonable kick

Scenario 3:
You join a TDM and you are on BLUE team & many on RED team is using rockets --> you counter back by using rockets too or stuns --> boom you get the instant kicked despite them using the same weapon. (As i can see here i see double standards & unfairness)

Scenario 4:
You're minding your own business in TDM, you are the last player remaining on the team with full hp/ap & the other team's remaining player is 10 hp --> now someone votes a kick on you and the OTHER team opposite of you decides to press y because their teammate is 10 hp knowingly you're full. (Soo this is not a PvP game?)

Scenario 5:
You join an Attack and Defend --> someone cheats to kill you on purpose --> you do it back --> other team decides to kick you. (Double Standards?)

I personally see respect just being tossed out the window now.

That's just my two cents.

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Even if it did show who toggled the vote , remember this is a player versus player game so player 1 creating a vote on player 2.
End of the day player 1 and player 2 will still be playing against each other in a game but at a little more heated level & maybe drama but all could of been avoided by not kicking. Who to blame? Well maybe a person's mentality.

6/3/2019 - Instantly kicked from A&D - Not even a round in
- 4 unreasonable kicks on me in garden for no reason

- Please simply alter the kick system to show who starts the vote poll. (2 weeks going on now being vote kicked repeatedly)

My opinion on this is rather than implementing who is starting the kick which may cause unnecessary grudges, the abuse issue should be addressed and fixed.

And another point, if someone starts a vote against you and it gets declined at the first time, let the voting system auto-block all the votes that coming against you after the first vote (at least for a limited period of time), cause some players will just keep getting votes and starting votes against you till you get kicked.

I think the main problem resides in the fact that players can vote kick an individual, go back to the lobby, make a new room, return to the original room and kick the individual repeatedly.

I think this needs to adressed so players earn their vote kicks on a time based system and not action based.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

I think the main problem resides in the fact that players can vote kick an individual, go back to the lobby, make a new room, return to the original room and kick the individual repeatedly.

I think this needs to adressed so players earn their vote kicks on a time based system and not action based.

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I agree with this. Some are friends and they bully one person. One of them leaves the room and gains a vote and tries all their might to kick that person.

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Originally Posted by Eddie

Same thing has been happening to me as of lately. Adds up to like 4-5 kick attempts a day now for just talking with my friends lol. I'll join a room and be talking to my friend, not attacking or bothering anyone, and then out of no where I'm constantly trying to be kicked out of rooms with no reasoning. I think on top of showing who kicked you, it should make you pick from a short list of reasons for why you're starting the vote (i.e. Eddie wants to kick ___. Reason: Hacking. Do you accept? Y or N?) or (Eddie wants to kick ___. Reason: Harassment. Do you accept? Y or N?). This way if you keep getting kicked for BS reasons and did nothing wrong, you can screenshot the vote and report the player following you and kicking you, backing yourself up if say you had video evidence showing you did nothing wrong.

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And what about 99% of the population on FGunZ who doesn't speak English? I think you should use terms like "Grief" "Bad words" etc to make it understandable for most of the people who still play this game.

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Originally Posted by pah2

And what about 99% of the population on FGunZ who doesn't speak English? I think you should use terms like "Grief" "Bad words" etc to make it understandable for most of the people who still play this game.

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pretty sure theres like 3 people total who cant understand "hacking" and "harassment" and "spamming" in today's gunz.

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Originally Posted by pah2

And what about 99% of the population on FGunZ who doesn't speak English? I think you should use terms like "Grief" "Bad words" etc to make it understandable for most of the people who still play this game.

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I didn't use any words that were much different than what you find in the rules of this game. If a player can't understand the rules of this game (or my post for a relevant example), then they can just translate the post or words they don't understand. I don't go around asking players who speak Dutch or Hebrew in this community to "dumb down" their text for me because I don't fully understand their language. I would just translate whatever I don't know to get a general idea.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

I think the main problem resides in the fact that players can vote kick an individual, go back to the lobby, make a new room, return to the original room and kick the individual repeatedly.

I think this needs to adressed so players earn their vote kicks on a time based system and not action based.

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But what about for the times where people "call in for back up" and ask their friends/clanmates to come help kick the player ? People really go out of their way to make sure a player gets successfully kicked just because they like to bother them for no reason. I still stand by it that if you include the player name and the reason for kicking the player, it'll be a great way to prevent the harassment issue from happening. And even in times where someone legitimately needs to kick a person, saying players will be scared to kick someone if you show their name just seems silly to me. They usually give themselves away anyway. Without the names appearing now, it's not hard to find out who started the vote if it's for a real purpose. The vote is usually followed by an "all Y" or it's more than likely someone you can tell is getting mad after dying or being taunted. When you're randomly kicked and no one is saying anything about it or even attacking you, you have no clue who to blame.

If they won't let the players see who starts the vote, at least let staff be able to see who behind the scenes for when players need to make a complaint.

Here's what I picked up from the discussion:

- Add name of the person that started the /kick

- Change the /kick system so you can't just rejoin to start a new /kick, but will have to wait 30 minutes for example to be able to start a new /kick

- Add /unkick so users can vote to unkick a person

An idea of mine:

- Right now it's enough if more than 66% of the room vote YES for the person to be kicked (in a room of 12 people, that would be 8 YES votes) -> I could change this value to 80% for example (in a room of 12 people, that would be 10 YES votes) resulting in less unfair kicks

Which ones would you like to see (the most)?

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Originally Posted by McSic

Here's what I picked up from the discussion:

- Add name of the person that started the /kick

- Change the /kick system so you can't just rejoin to start a new /kick, but will have to wait 30 minutes for example to be able to start a new /kick

- Add /unkick so users can vote to unkick a person

An idea of mine:

- Right now it's enough if more than 66% of the room vote YES for the person to be kicked (in a room of 12 people, that would be 8 YES votes) -> I could change this value to 80% for example (in a room of 12 people, that would be 10 YES votes) resulting in less unfair kicks

Which ones would you like to see (the most)?

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I personally would like see the most the /unkick function, it will save some work for the staff members as well.
I also think it's a good idea to change the /kick system. Not sure if every 30 minutes, maybe every hour or so.

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Originally Posted by Ommadawn

I personally would like see the most the /unkick function, it will save some work for the staff members as well.
I also think it's a good idea to change the /kick system. Not sure if every 30 minutes, maybe every hour or so.

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agreed with these 2 things.
the 80% is not really necessary, since most rooms wont get 32 players, its pretty easy to avoid getting kicked if u have like 3 friends who will always vote no for u

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Originally Posted by McSic

Here's what I picked up from the discussion:

- Add name of the person that started the /kick

- Change the /kick system so you can't just rejoin to start a new /kick, but will have to wait 30 minutes for example to be able to start a new /kick

- Add /unkick so users can vote to unkick a person

An idea of mine:

- Right now it's enough if more than 66% of the room vote YES for the person to be kicked (in a room of 12 people, that would be 8 YES votes) -> I could change this value to 80% for example (in a room of 12 people, that would be 10 YES votes) resulting in less unfair kicks

Which ones would you like to see (the most)?

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Also add the 30min timer to /unkick for regular player grade.

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Originally Posted by McSic

Here's what I picked up from the discussion:

- Add name of the person that started the /kick

- Change the /kick system so you can't just rejoin to start a new /kick, but will have to wait 30 minutes for example to be able to start a new /kick

- Add /unkick so users can vote to unkick a person

An idea of mine:

- Right now it's enough if more than 66% of the room vote YES for the person to be kicked (in a room of 12 people, that would be 8 YES votes) -> I could change this value to 80% for example (in a room of 12 people, that would be 10 YES votes) resulting in less unfair kicks

Which ones would you like to see (the most)?

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I highly agree with these except the last one; what if a GROUP of people is targeting to kick one particular person out no matter what. /unkick wouldn't seem functional in that.

Like someone said it may cause grudges based off the player's name shown on starting the vote but that player should expect heat back.

Agree with the 66% changed to 80% due to many people just pressing y out of curiosity.

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Originally Posted by Hooni

I highly agree with these except the last one; what if a GROUP of people is targeting to kick one particular person out no matter what. /unkick wouldn't seem functional in that.

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It's better than not having an option at all.

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Originally Posted by McSic

- Change the /kick system so you can't just rejoin to start a new /kick, but will have to wait 30 minutes for example to be able to start a new /kick

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If the 30 minute restriction applies to the same room, it'd be perfect. If a player (host) decides to create a new room, they should be able to start a vote in it instantly, regardless of the status of their vote in another room.

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Originally Posted by McSic

An idea of mine:

- Right now it's enough if more than 66% of the room vote YES for the person to be kicked (in a room of 12 people, that would be 8 YES votes) -> I could change this value to 80% for example (in a room of 12 people, that would be 10 YES votes) resulting in less unfair kicks

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This could be a problem for fair votes, too. There are many players who don't make informed decisions and vote randomly. For example, some players may not notice a spiker with small ping jumps (20-50) unless they begin teleporting all over the map. If votes against such players get rejected, everyone suffers. There could also be a biased group of people affecting the outcome of fair votes.

In my opinion, an /unkick command for players should suffice for now. It'd be useful for the staff to log the usage of /kick to check for abuse before changing how the voting system works, instead of doing it based on anecdotal evidence by 1 player.

Hooni does tend to use mines, ice/electric elements for massives, and generally trolls in some rooms (which is fine - I enjoy messing around, too), but you can see why it annoys some people and makes them want to kick him. Maybe Hooni should record some replays and actually report the people who have been abusing the system? This has probably never been a significant problem for anyone else.

I will do a few changes next update and we will see how it goes from there.