[V8 update] Things that NEED attention (bugs/suggestions/requests)

Update: I'm done trying. I've left the bugs and suggestions for you to see, as they may actually be useful/helpful.

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I appreciate the time and effort you all have put in to develop this update, but a few things need to be discussed.

Requests:


1. Why were 1-hit and 2-hit nades removed? Sure, they were OP but we used them at the expense of low hp/ap and sacrificed other items due to weight restrictions. Even the extreme weight rings were removed. Currently, I can't carry any weapon other than one 60 weight machinegun + ammo in a quest. Again, why? Why is there a problem if I wish to sacrifice my hp/ap for more weight?

Please bring them back. Don't introduce so many restrictions and kill the fun, especially in 2017. I don't like pointing out each time that the player-base is very small. Let us enjoy what's left of this game.

Update: Instead, things were made worse by the addition of stun launchers. Come ingame sometime and play an A/D game or TDM where everyone is spamming dual stun launchers. No, seriously, come and play. You'll find that 1-hit nades were much more fun and tolerable.


2. What exactly is the problem with infinite ammo / [IA]? With gems and even donor gems yet to come, players can easily attain 145 hp / 122 ap and even more (with better gem levels). Plus, they generally have donor meds. How are we supposed to kill players in big rooms with just 25 bullets per shotgun? Ammo drops aren't the best solution.

2. Bring back the halloween town glitch! I already posted a suggestions regarding misuse, in that topic.

3. Bring back the RevShot pistol (not talking about the Dawn R45 revolver). Come on, why are these things being removed? It was far from being unpopular or unused.

4. Original sound effect for the BowGun and BowGun x2. They sound like a regular pistol now.


5. Why was the item shop layout changed back to the one from Gunz 1.0? It's harder to find items now (especially, given that we are required to buy everything all over again). Unless there's some strong reason for this, I think it's fair to request for the 1.5 style shop to be reinstated.

6. Why the shorter room titles? How about moving the name of the map to the second line followed by modifier info and leaving the first line for the title? Modifiers don't take up much space and don't require a line dedicated to them.

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Bugs:
1. 'Legendary' armor items of the wrong gender are being dropped in CQ. This is very frustrating since legendary items are rare as it is. There's no point in dropping male variants of items to female characters and vice versa, is there?

2. The final scoreboard of a TDM game is like the one from a non-team game. It doesn't segregate players based on teams. The alignment of the exp displayed is also quite out of place.

3. Unable to scroll through the entire list of players in a channel, in the lobby.

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Suggestions:

1. Add training variants of the Speedy dagger and Predator.

2. a. Ability to add more friends to the friends list. Fixed.

3. "Training Grenadelauncher EX" has a weight of 25. Other training weapons have no weight. This should probably be changed to 0. Same goes with Training Sword.

4. The clan creation dialog needs a visible border around the text field. It is not user-friendly at all in the new interface. Some people may not even be able to figure out where the text field actually is.

5. Add a confirmation dialog while delegating a new clan leader. I've seen people handing over leadership of clans as a result of misclicks, and ending up having them deleted.

6. Add the ability to hide specific characters from being shown in the character list oacn the website. For instance, if you look up someone, you can view all the characters in that account. Not ideal. Fixed.

7. Change the room icon of the Assassination mode back to the original one. It looks almost like the DM icon now, which is why people probably don't join anymore.

8. Display the Damage Modifier for CQ-obtained armor when you hover over it, like in v7.

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I could go on and on about a lot of things, but I doubt you'd rollback after spending so much time on this update. My request is that you don't spoil the fun to an extent that it makes players sick of the game. V7 was more relaxed when it came to a lot of things, and this is probably not the best time to force players to get used to a stricter style of gameplay and ruin our experience—especially not when the previous version pretty much had no restrictions. What are you trying to achieve here?

I hope that the development team views these suggestions/requests objectively and not subjectively. Please don't try to defend your actions right away—I know it probably pisses you off to see so many people complaining. Instead, try to understand the players' point of view and at least give each point fair consideration, instead of claiming that there isn't much to be discussed

When you see so many regular players complaining and being vile, surely, something is wrong. They're not whining for no reason. Please work with the community and help resolve some issues.

100% agree with that last sugg i've done that like 5x

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Originally Posted by eternalbeast

i appreciate the time and effort you all have put in to develop this update, but a few things need to be discussed.

requests:

1. Why were 1-hit and 2-hit nades removed? Sure, they were op but we used them at the expensive of low hp/ap and sacrificed other items due to weight restrictions. Please bring them back along with the extreme weight rings. Don't introduce so many restrictions and kill the fun, especially in 2017. I don't like pointing out each time that the player-base is very small. Let us enjoy what's left of this game.

2. Why was the item shop layout changed back to the one from gunz 1.0? It's harder to find items now (especially, given that we are required to buy everything all over again). Unless there's some strong reason for this, i think it's fair to request for the 1.5 style shop to be reinstated.

3. What's up with the shorter room titles? How about moving the name of the map to the second line followed by modifier info and leaving the first line for the title? Modifiers don't take up much space and don't require a line dedicated to them.

4. bring back the halloween town glitch! I already posted a suggestions regarding misuse, in that topic.

5. Bring back the revshot pistol. If not the same stats, at least the model. Come on, why are these things being removed? It was far from being unpopular or unused.

6. Original sound effect for the bowgun and bowgun x2. They sound like a regular pistol now.

bugs:

1. The website let's you 'try' items that you've already tried in the past. It shows an error like "you've already tried this item", but sends the item to the storage anyway.

2. I'm sure you're aware of the sound bug where you can hear almost every player's shots from across the map. This has made the game unplayable for me.

suggestions:

1. A new training variant of the speedy dagger.

2. Ability to add more friends to the friends list.

3. "training grenadelauncher ex" has a weight of 25. Other training weapons have no weight. This should probably be changed to 0.

4. The clan creation dialog needs a visible border around the text field. It is not user-friendly at all in the new interface. Some people may not even be able to figure out where the text field actually is.

5. Add a confirmation dialog while delegating a new clan leader. I've seen people handing over leadership of clans as a result of misclicks, and ending up having them deleted.

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i could go on and on about critical issues such as bounty (not being able to afford basic stuff), loss of hard-earned pve armor/weapons, nerfed shotguns and pistols, ia, r, etc. But i'm going to stay out of it. My request is that you don't spoil the fun to an extent that it makes players sick of the game. V7 was more relaxed when it came to a lot of things, and this is probably not the best time to force players to get used to a stricter style of gameplay.

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well said goldfish =d

-pictures in the shop have no image, they are much harder to identify scrolling down as u can barely read the names. fully agree with the shop suggestion aswell as all the other ones.

-sniper rifles's scope design changed and theres no way to actually know where the center of the screen is and what would be a 100% hit. would be nice for an option to return to the default scope

- has been mentioned in a different suggestion, but sometimes ur hitbox goes red but its not a confirmed hit.

"2. I'm sure you're aware of the sound bug where you can hear almost every player's shots from across the map. This has made the game unplayable for me."

That's been fixed and is getting pushed in an update tomorrow. I wouldn't want to play either, so i don't blame you.

"- has been mentioned in a different suggestion, but sometimes ur hitbox goes red but its not a confirmed hit."

That was by design believe it or not. Aim for the body don't rely on the the color changing to tell you when to shoot. I'm sure they could just remove the crosshair changing color altogether if you guys prefer that. Just a possible suggestion, since you all are already used to that~

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Originally Posted by S1lent

"2. I'm sure you're aware of the sound bug where you can hear almost every player's shots from across the map. This has made the game unplayable for me."

That's been fixed and is getting pushed in an update tomorrow. I wouldn't want to play either, so i don't blame you.

"- has been mentioned in a different suggestion, but sometimes ur hitbox goes red but its not a confirmed hit."

That was by design believe it or not. Aim for the body don't rely on the the color changing to tell you when to shoot. I'm sure they could just remove the crosshair changing color altogether if you guys prefer that. Just a possible suggestion, since you all are already used to that~

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I dont remember this being a thing in the past? Why change it now when prolly lots of people may started relying on that
That was actually useful for things like snipers. The name of the enemy shoukdnt highlight until its a confirmed hit

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Originally Posted by Bunny

I dont remember this being a thing in the past? Why change it now when prolly lots of people may started relying on that
That was actually useful for things like snipers. The name of the enemy shoukdnt highlight until its a confirmed hit

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The only alternative is disabling the crosshair and names on enemies. So its either that or the way it is now. People know why...take your pick. Sorry that the minority had to ruin it for the majority.

Finally something good that I would have to do so that this game does not miss the fun, I am almost all day playing now, I do not even want to get into Training to stay fit because it is an unpleasant sound (shotgun, meds that look like a machine gun ... etc)

terribly disgusting!!!!

Also, giving bounty based on level is a bad idea imo.
This way people who have 40 billion xp get the same amount of bounty as people with 1 billion. Also, someone who power leveled a week ago earned the same as someone whos been playing for years and not focusing on levels ( cause lets be honest, leveling was pretty useless in v7 after you got lots of coins and cant rebirth )

A better idea will be to base this off of playtime in hours. Some players have played the game for years, just cause they rebirthed a week ago doesnt mean they should be punished for it..

Why dont they just retain everyones bounty ? Everyone earned it anyway

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Originally Posted by bashtian96

Why dont they just retain everyones bounty ? Everyone earned it anyway

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Its easy to get bounty btw :)

You guys try too much to make this server important. Keep everything vanilla, improve antilead / anti hack. and people will 100% come to your server. This doesn't even seem like Gunz anymore with fall off damage / missed bullet sounds / all these other random shits.

- make the bounty a row when you click tab to view the scoreboard. since its so important now, some people would like to see how much bounty they got without needing to go to the gameroom and calculate what you have now minus what u had before.
since the scoreboard is kinda busy and theres no room for it, i think the EXP row is not as useful and could be removed honestly

-make kills give more bounty compared to questing (considering gunz is a pvp centered game and not pve). i just killed like 40 people in a room and got like 1k bounty for it.

Found another small bug:

When you're on the main screen and you're on the end of the room tabs you can't click the arrow back to the other tabs.

put all the shotguns donor have 6 bullets, since if there will not be [R] [IA] at least he has the same bullets. :@

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Originally Posted by EternalBeast

I hope that the development team views these suggestions/requests objectively and not subjectively. Please don't try to defend your actions right away—I know it probably pisses you off to see so many people complaining.

My suggestion for the Halloween Town glitch was shot down just because it was a 'glitch'. However, if you came ingame more often, you'd see how much fun people have with such glitches. [This is just an example, I'm not fixating on this]

Instead, try to understand the players' point of view and at least give each point fair consideration.

I'll keep updating this topic.

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Main post updated. Looking forward to hearing the development team's take on every point put forward.

anti lead worst than it was before imo, and bullet fall off + the range thing adds on to it. Imagine if shotguns were normal for once :O

1. The website let's you 'Try' items that you've already tried in the past. It shows an error like "You've already tried this item", but sends the item to the storage anyway.

I couldn't reproduce this.
Note that I reset everyone's tried item entries when v8 came out.

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Originally Posted by Dave

1. The website let's you 'Try' items that you've already tried in the past. It shows an error like "You've already tried this item", but sends the item to the storage anyway.

I couldn't reproduce this.
Note that I reset everyone's tried item entries when v8 came out.

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In that case, the error about already having tried it shouldn't have shown up.

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Originally Posted by EternalBeast

In that case, the error about already having tried it shouldn't have shown up.

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There was a bug that when you clicked on "Try Item", it would send you the item but not show a confirmation on the screen.

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Originally Posted by Dave

There was a bug that when you clicked on "Try Item", it would send you the item but not show a confirmation on the screen.

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I tried again and it all seems to be fine now. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

- make the bounty a row when you click tab to view the scoreboard. since its so important now, some people would like to see how much bounty they got without needing to go to the gameroom and calculate what you have now minus what u had before.
since the scoreboard is kinda busy and theres no room for it, i think the EXP row is not as useful and could be removed honestly

-make kills give more bounty compared to questing (considering gunz is a pvp centered game and not pve). i just killed like 40 people in a room and got like 1k bounty for it.

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https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...59#post1006059
this is exactly what i mean.
this guy has been questing for 2 days and already has 14m bounty allowing him to unlock basically every gem and level it to like idek

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Originally Posted by Bunny

- make the bounty a row when you click tab to view the scoreboard. since its so important now, some people would like to see how much bounty they got without needing to go to the gameroom and calculate what you have now minus what u had before.
since the scoreboard is kinda busy and theres no room for it, i think the EXP row is not as useful and could be removed honestly

-make kills give more bounty compared to questing (considering gunz is a pvp centered game and not pve). i just killed like 40 people in a room and got like 1k bounty for it.

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I'd probably agree with both of these, but the UI would need to be looked at again to add another element to it.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...59#post1006059
this is exactly what i mean.
this guy has been questing for 2 days and already has 14m bounty allowing him to unlock basically every gem and level it to like idek

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14million bounty from questing seems pretty stupid and they can easily abuse the upgrade system breaking everything until it succeeds as many times as they want, just go quest again. Bounty should really be heavily player based only, it's a BOUNTY on players heads and should increase bounty rewards for higher player counts and maybe multiply based on KDR

Questing should only benefit for EXP for quick level grinding, not both EXP and Bounty.

We didn't remove the quest items of players when we wiped inventories (although I wanted to), so he could have had like 30000 devils dictionaries and sold them, because I don't think that quests give great bounty.

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Originally Posted by McSic

We didn't remove the quest items of players when we wiped inventories (although I wanted to), so he could have had like 30000 devils dictionaries and sold them, because I don't think that quests give great bounty.

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Actually you are right. It's been a while since I sold anything on Quest but I do remember selling all of the useless items is how you get bounty in quest and it was always a real hassle but they do give a decent amount of BP depending on what you sell. Thats probably what happened, so it was a bad judgment call not to nuke all of the quest items too.

I ain't care about V8, I ain't care about if anything shit changes around.
a new update ??,= shit,shit,shit,shit,shit,shit,shit.

where are my bunnie clothes ?? why deleting them ?

https://i.imgur.com/fdbyOD1.png





- am poor soul around, please bring them bck!.

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Originally Posted by McSic

so he could have had like 30000 devils dictionaries and sold them,

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Nope, I had 98 and I still have them. https://i.imgur.com/gIonyuC.jpg

One day is gone and now it's 17.8M bp.

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Originally Posted by McSic

because I don't think that quests give great bounty.

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Well, just sell all the items you get from quest and you will be millionaire. But that is not the point.

Play Schoolquest and it looks like that (using all legal boost up's, namely VIP and cat in the hat): https://i.imgur.com/VzIV6KO.jpg

600 bp + 6000 bp for selling Cakram = 6600 bp

Play Challenge Quest Act 1 and it looks 5 stages like this: https://i.imgur.com/bU9JYHG.jpg

Final stage like that: https://i.imgur.com/WahTyXF.jpg

5 * 30000 bp + 300000 bp + 270 bp for selling Giant Sword = 450270 bp (in less then 5 minutes solo)

You need bp? Play CQ!
But if you look closely, you won't see the high rank quester play CQ atm. Most xp gives Scrider but to beat him you need high pve guns. So guess what we do atm?

And don't forget, it was (Zabu and) me who said cut off the PVE, it is too high. What did you? You even increased it with V8.

And don't forget, it was me who said the whole game is outbalanced. What did you? You write about balancing? I now just make use of your even increased outbalancing!

BTW McSic: Remember this pm I sent you 17th of July?

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Recipient Users: McSic
07-17-2017
change the email address doesnt work for account ILoveQuests
new email address shall be [email protected]
tia

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I read in forum, that change of email-address will be fixed with V8. So I tried again and got a message similiar like that: Sending message to email address, click on confirmation link for change of email address.
Well, dilemma, because the old account is closed since 1st of August, so there is no chance for me to confirm anything. Please do it now manually.

Looks like CQ is busted to get bounty, great balancing boys lol.

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Originally Posted by EternalBeast

I appreciate the time and effort you all have put in to develop this update, but a few things need to be discussed.

Requests:

1. Why were 1-hit and 2-hit nades removed? Sure, they were OP but we used them at the expense of low hp/ap and sacrificed other items due to weight restrictions. Even the extreme weight rings were removed. Currently, I can't carry any weapon other than one 60 weight machinegun + ammo in a quest. Again, why? Why is there a problem if I wish to sacrifice my hp/ap for more weight?

Please bring them back. Don't introduce so many restrictions and kill the fun, especially in 2017. I don't like pointing out each time that the player-base is very small. Let us enjoy what's left of this game.

Update: Instead, things were made worse by the addition of stun launchers. Come ingame sometime and play an A/D game or TDM where everyone is spamming dual stun launchers. No, seriously, come and play. You'll find that 1-hit nades were much more fun and tolerable.

2. What exactly is the problem with infinite ammo / [IA]? With gems and even donor gems yet to come, players can easily attain 145 hp / 122 ap and even more (with better gem levels). Plus, they generally have donor meds. How are we supposed to kill players in big rooms with just 25 bullets per shotgun? Ammo drops aren't the best solution.

2. Bring back the halloween town glitch! I already posted a suggestions regarding misuse, in that topic.

3. Bring back the RevShot pistol (not talking about the Dawn R45 revolver). Come on, why are these things being removed? It was far from being unpopular or unused.

4. Original sound effect for the BowGun and BowGun x2. They sound like a regular pistol now.


5. Why was the item shop layout changed back to the one from Gunz 1.0? It's harder to find items now (especially, given that we are required to buy everything all over again). Unless there's some strong reason for this, I think it's fair to request for the 1.5 style shop to be reinstated.

6. Why the shorter room titles? How about moving the name of the map to the second line followed by modifier info and leaving the first line for the title? Modifiers don't take up much space and don't require a line dedicated to them. Whatever. More important changes are required.

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Bugs:

1. The website let's you 'Try' items that you've already tried in the past. It shows an error like "You've already tried this item", but sends the item to the storage anyway.

2. 'Legendary' armor items of the wrong gender are being dropped in CQ. This is very frustrating since legendary items are rare as it is. There's no point in dropping male variants of items to female characters and vice versa, is there?

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Suggestions:

1. Add training variants of the Speedy dagger and Predator.

2. a. Ability to add more friends to the friends list.

3. "Training Grenadelauncher EX" has a weight of 25. Other training weapons have no weight. This should probably be changed to 0. Same goes with Training Sword.

4. The clan creation dialog needs a visible border around the text field. It is not user-friendly at all in the new interface. Some people may not even be able to figure out where the text field actually is.

5. Add a confirmation dialog while delegating a new clan leader. I've seen people handing over leadership of clans as a result of misclicks, and ending up having them deleted.

6. Add the ability to hide specific characters from being shown in the character list on the website. For instance, if you look up someone, you can view all the characters in that account. Not ideal. Privacy, please?

7. Change the room icon of the Assassination mode back to the original one. It looks almost like the DM icon now, which is why people probably don't join anymore.

8. Due to a removal of the text buttons, the bottom of the screen is just empty. How about adding a 'Help' button there listing all commands, colors, emojis, staff info, etc?

9. Increase the bounty rates in PvP games and regular quests (mansion, prison, dungeon)—it actually matters now. Challenge quests shouldn't be the only way to receive a decent amount of bounty. The game is unbalanced.

10. Display the Damage Modifier for CQ-obtained armor when you hover over it, like in v7.

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I could go on and on about a lot of things, but I doubt you'd rollback after spending so much time on this update. My request is that you don't spoil the fun to an extent that it makes players sick of the game. V7 was more relaxed when it came to a lot of things, and this is probably not the best time to force players to get used to a stricter style of gameplay and ruin our experience—especially not when the previous version pretty much had no restrictions. What are you trying to achieve here?

I hope that the development team views these suggestions/requests objectively and not subjectively. Please don't try to defend your actions right away—I know it probably pisses you off to see so many people complaining. Instead, try to understand the players' point of view and at least give each point fair consideration, instead of claiming that there isn't much to be discussed

When you see so many regular players complaining and being vile, surely, something is wrong. They're not whining for no reason. Please work with the community and help resolve some issues.

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Main post updated.

Developers: It's been a week now. When can we expect you to talk about each of the points listed above?

I miss the 'no need to reload' roomtag, I dont like the ammo drop:?

if we need more player we should have back this
1>all Room Tags ( this was the very good thing which was making the Freestyle Gunz Community Great and add player
2> Remove that Bounty System it is good without bounty
3> also the Image showing of Weapons , Cloths , etc ( should big / as it was in V7 )
4> About the Privacy of Character and Friends should be Hidden ( as we all need )
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the Bunny has been Mention
-pictures in the shop have no image, they are much harder to identify scrolling down as u can barely read the names. fully agree with the shop suggestion aswell as all the other ones.

-sniper rifles's scope design changed and theres no way to actually know where the center of the screen is and what would be a 100% hit. would be nice for an option to return to the default scope

- has been mentioned in a different suggestion, but sometimes ur hitbox goes red but its not a confirmed hit.
as i think would be great :)

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Originally Posted by canany

if we need more player we should have back this
1>all Room Tags ( this was the very good thing which was making the Freestyle Gunz Community Great and add player
2> Remove that Bounty System it is good without bounty
3> also the Image showing of Weapons , Cloths , etc ( should big / as it was in V7 )
4> About the Privacy of Character and Friends should be Hidden ( as we all need )
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the Bunny has been Mention
-pictures in the shop have no image, they are much harder to identify scrolling down as u can barely read the names. fully agree with the shop suggestion aswell as all the other ones.

-sniper rifles's scope design changed and theres no way to actually know where the center of the screen is and what would be a 100% hit. would be nice for an option to return to the default scope

- has been mentioned in a different suggestion, but sometimes ur hitbox goes red but its not a confirmed hit.
as i think would be great :)

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No...

Another bug that appears in quests with more than one stage. If someone joins late and the stage is nearly cleared, you stay in map of same stage but with the enemies of next stage. No portal visible, you have to wait 30 seconds. Will try to get a video of this bug.

And as mentioned here, if someone joins late during boss fight, the boss bar disappears.

OK, got vid. Stage nearly cleared, late join, no portal, 30 seconds to wait, wrong map, for other player it looks like I am using wall hack

https://youtu.be/Nwn9IREoZiE

Edit: This is page 65, I can provide the full vid if you need it.