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07-07-2021
A_Luckybox

new players

Suggestion type:
fgunz

Suggestion description:
Make people that are level 1-50 forced to play in the newbie channel, so they can play with people of their own skill.

if people remake chars to beat those they're cringe as ****.. but ye, can't help that i guess
07-07-2021
ImComming4U

There is no newbie channel as of now, used to be. But due to huge influx of newer players I believe they are missing out of the use of a beginner channel. It would well serve it's purpose if it was still around. They should bring it back if server growth continues.

But being forced to play newbie channel shouldn't happen.
07-07-2021
Amers

So, when I make a new char / rebirth character I will be forced to play in the newbie channel? Also when newbies want to learn from pros in training rooms, they cannot enter the Free Channel and are forced in it? There's maybe like 10-20 new players online, the player-base is too low to implement this imo.
07-07-2021
Ommadawn

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Originally Posted by Amers

So, when I make a new char / rebirth character I will be forced to play in the newbie channel? Also when newbies want to learn from pros in training rooms, they cannot enter the Free Channel and are forced in it? There's maybe like 10-20 new players online, the player-base is too low to implement this imo.

Exactly what I thought, each one of us can create 4 characters per account so whenever a pro creates a new character, he will basically have to play against new players till he's level 50 and he won't even be able to play in the normal channel against people who are at the same skill level as him.
07-07-2021
A_Luckybox

Addtional idea cus of ben's reply;

Make a very easy option for people to enter levels for example. Most people are from level 1-50, so make a tag 'beginner' room which only allows level 1-50's?
07-07-2021
Gwai

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Originally Posted by numba

Addtional idea cus of ben's reply;

Make a very easy option for people to enter levels for example. Most people are from level 1-50, so make a tag 'beginner' room which only allows level 1-50's?

I believe that you have good intentions for newer players to collectively learn at their own pace at their respective levels. However, I feel as if this isn't a solution to what Amers and Ommadawn said. There still would be a skill gap in those games due to rebirthed or alternative characters.
07-07-2021
A_Luckybox

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Originally Posted by Gwai

I believe that you have good intentions for newer players to collectively learn at their own pace at their respective levels. However, I feel as if this isn't a solution to what Amers and Ommadawn said. There still would be a skill gap in those games due to rebirthed or alternative characters.

Maybe remove the permissions for rebirthed character or characters older than a year or something?
07-07-2021
StephanM

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Originally Posted by numba

Maybe remove the permissions for rebirthed character or characters older than a year or something?

Makes more sense to base it of older accounts and not characters.
07-07-2021
McSic

I have the feeling that bad individuals will abuse it to join such channels on new accounts to snack the newbies, so I don't think it would work
07-07-2021
A_Luckybox

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Originally Posted by McSic

I have the feeling that bad individuals will abuse it to join such channels on new accounts to snack the newbies, so I don't think it would work

Maybe lock it to accounts created last month or something? And lock it to 1 account?
07-07-2021
Ommadawn

Maybe we should encourage all of them to create rooms for specific levels, dunno how it's called but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. The noobs channel used to be very active when we had 300+ players but then it really became an AFK channel and you'd barely see a room there which is why I don't think it would work. And just like it was said above, even if 10 new players decide to create a room in the noobs channel, a single decent player can join the room with a new character and destroy everyone.

On the other hand, I don't think a decent player would put enough effort into creating a new character just to get to a specific room which is for specific levels, sounds less realistic to me even though it is possible. Overall, people will always find loopholes, even if it's locked on 1 account, I can use my friend's account or something or play from a different area and join the noobs channel just to destroy everyone (theoretically).
07-07-2021
Daddy Tupac

Wasn't there already an option to put a level range on your room ? I can't find it so idk ima assume it was removed maybe ? But idk why it would be removed lol, if it wasn't, then there's your answer . Also you guys know you can just add a password an tell the noob friends you met that password then no one can bother you, yes ? Can't just make rooms for "noobs" an expect no one to join them when theres 80 players online an your room might be the only room playable at the time .
07-07-2021
Ommadawn

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Originally Posted by Daddy Tupac

Wasn't there already an option to put a level range on your room ? I can't find it so idk ima assume it was removed maybe ? But idk why it would be removed lol, if it wasn't, then there's your answer . Also you guys know you can just add a password an tell the noob friends you met that password then no one can bother you, yes ? Can't just make rooms for "noobs" an expect no one to join them when theres 80 players online an your room might be the only room playable at the time .

https://i.imgur.com/SIPKdiPh.jpg
You have to first create the room and then go to the settings inside, this is what I was talking about in my reply above your post. I think it's a great idea, maybe we should modify it a bit so we can actually put a minimum level and a maximum level and encourage the new players to use it.
07-07-2021
Daddy Tupac

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Originally Posted by Ommadawn

https://i.imgur.com/SIPKdiPh.jpg
You have to first create the room and then go to the settings inside, this is what I was talking about in my reply above your post. I think it's a great idea, maybe we should modify it a bit so we can actually put a minimum level and a maximum level and encourage the new players to use it.

Shit no wonder, I was lookin in the settings BEFORE creating the room, why I couldn't find it, but yeah for sure if they don't want high level people joining they could easily just add a restriction to play amongst themselves .
07-07-2021
Ommadawn

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Originally Posted by Daddy Tupac

Shit no wonder, I was lookin in the settings BEFORE creating the room, why I couldn't find it, but yeah for sure if they don't want high level people joining they could easily just add a restriction to play amongst themselves .

I figured, I had to check it myself as well haha. Anyways, that still wouldn't be a solution because a decent player can create a new character and join the room and on the other hand, a noob player can level up his character to level 99 because it's not that hard and then he wouldn't be able join the room even though he's still considered as a new player. But I assume we'll see less people who abuse it and that could be a good idea for the new players.

Maybe we can take it to a new whole level and create a ranking system and the ranking itself will be per account and not per character. If the account was created in less than half a year ago, then your rank would be "New Player"/"Beginner", then you'd have "Veteran" and I guess the last category would be "Professional" or "Master", you could also add "Expert" somewhere in between. Even so, anyone can create a new account and still abuse it, like I said above, you can always find loopholes but it depends on how far we want to go with it. If it happens, people will be able to create room for "New Player"s only or for "Veteran"s only.
07-07-2021
Daddy Tupac

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Originally Posted by Ommadawn

I figured, I had to check it myself as well haha. Anyways, that still wouldn't be a solution because a decent player can create a new character and join the room and on the other hand, a noob player can level up his character to level 99 because it's not that hard and then he wouldn't be able join the room even though he's still considered as a new player. But I assume we'll see less people who abuse it and that could be a good idea for the new players.

Maybe we can take it to a new whole level and create a ranking system and the ranking itself will be per account and not per character. If the account was created in less than half a year ago, then your rank would be "New Player"/"Beginner", then you'd have "Veteran" and I guess the last category would be "Professional" or "Master", you could also add "Expert" somewhere in between. Even so, anyone can create a new account and still abuse it, like I said above, you can always find loopholes but it depends on how far we want to go with it. If it happens, people will be able to create room for "New Player"s only or for "Veteran"s only.

I like all that, though as you & others said above, probably wouldn't work well now, if the community grew more an we had more players online or more new players coming, then it would be a pretty good idea, but i'd assume it isn't really "worth doing" as of right now with the amount of players we have currently . Rank system does sound pretty tight tho .
07-08-2021
Bunny

I dont think basing anything off of levels is a good idea. People can spend 2 months in a training room and stay level 1. other people can quest for 1 day and reach level 99.
The levels are meaningless in this game, and another method of checking how new a player is is required.
07-08-2021
Gwai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunny

I dont think basing anything off of levels is a good idea. People can spend 2 months in a training room and stay level 1. other people can quest for 1 day and reach level 99.
The levels are meaningless in this game, and another method of checking how new a player is is required.

Another good point.
07-08-2021
Gwai

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Originally Posted by Ommadawn

I figured, I had to check it myself as well haha. Anyways, that still wouldn't be a solution because a decent player can create a new character and join the room and on the other hand, a noob player can level up his character to level 99 because it's not that hard and then he wouldn't be able join the room even though he's still considered as a new player. But I assume we'll see less people who abuse it and that could be a good idea for the new players.

Maybe we can take it to a new whole level and create a ranking system and the ranking itself will be per account and not per character. If the account was created in less than half a year ago, then your rank would be "New Player"/"Beginner", then you'd have "Veteran" and I guess the last category would be "Professional" or "Master", you could also add "Expert" somewhere in between. Even so, anyone can create a new account and still abuse it, like I said above, you can always find loopholes but it depends on how far we want to go with it. If it happens, people will be able to create room for "New Player"s only or for "Veteran"s only.

I agree with Ommadawn

I believe that a ranking system with something similar to skill based matchmaking will help the popularity of GunZ.

To piggy-back off what Ommadawn said, I also believe if there was a ranking system based off of KD percentage or something and we went the other way instead to have a level requirement to join tiered games, it will allow beginner players to play against people with the same skillset.

If someone of spicier skill wanted to play in lower KD tier rooms they would have to throw their KDs and get a character up to lets say level 50. Once they achieve the targeted KD to play at a lower tier, their KDs will naturally go back up once again forcing them to throw their KD in order to reenter that skill tier. The ability to loophole is still there but we're making them work for it.

Additionally, what if the ranking system had rewards similar to how activity points work? o.o
If you're an active higher skill level player, you get a little more compared to the tier below.

This way, it incentivizes trying in the game and getting a higher tier and deters people from going to lower skill games to kill beginners.
07-08-2021
Frooples

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Originally Posted by Ommadawn

I figured, I had to check it myself as well haha. Anyways, that still wouldn't be a solution because a decent player can create a new character and join the room and on the other hand, a noob player can level up his character to level 99 because it's not that hard and then he wouldn't be able join the room even though he's still considered as a new player. But I assume we'll see less people who abuse it and that could be a good idea for the new players.

Maybe we can take it to a new whole level and create a ranking system and the ranking itself will be per account and not per character. If the account was created in less than half a year ago, then your rank would be "New Player"/"Beginner", then you'd have "Veteran" and I guess the last category would be "Professional" or "Master", you could also add "Expert" somewhere in between. Even so, anyone can create a new account and still abuse it, like I said above, you can always find loopholes but it depends on how far we want to go with it. If it happens, people will be able to create room for "New Player"s only or for "Veteran"s only.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

I dont think basing anything off of levels is a good idea. People can spend 2 months in a training room and stay level 1. other people can quest for 1 day and reach level 99.
The levels are meaningless in this game, and another method of checking how new a player is is required.

Yeah, one possible solution is to turn this into a classification problem that will identify a person's skill level in one or all of the bartle taxonomy.

The main issue would be finding which combination of heuristics to use (k/d ratio, active in-game time, rebirth count, highscores, etc...), and what weight they hold, so you may evaluate the players, but you can reference skill based match making systems other games have implemented such as League of Legends, Fortnite, Call of Duty, Overwatch, etc...

Once players are classified as pro/noob with respect to the average you could label them with a jjang, display their rating, and maybe give them damage reduction based on their individual skill-level or something less controversial I dunno.