Change up Scrider

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05-10-2020
Dunkin

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Change up Scrider

After the new update, There are little to no scrider rooms left, mainly because its harder to do now.

Suggestions to be done in Scrider.
-Add Ammo, HP, AP to NPCS when killed.
-Reduce NPC spawn
-(Maybe) Nerf Scrider

Due to the lunge ability added to Scrider, it is super hard to drop down ammo and meds and not get damaged. Adding ammo, hp, and ap to NPCs make it so much easier because you are constantly moving to avoid Scrider's main attacks.

Reducing NPC spawn would be great, mainly because of the fact that when your team of 4 dies and there is only one person left, it is impossible to escape and kill Scrider. I don't know if its a glitch/bug but they just spawn massives amounts of NPCs.

Nerfing Scrider will allow lower levels and people with less PVE to play. Grinding Scrider with a 4 man took us around 1:30 average. The least amount of time we completed Scrider was around 57 seconds. This was with people with around 80-110 PVE. Imagine how long it will take for people who have lesser or no pve. Nerfing Scrider might not be the greatest idea but could be discussed.

Video of Bug/Glitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfNBMfVROBU

Video of Completing Scrider(with 4man all high PVE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0OYKj3KcOE

Photo of 4 man's PVE
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05-10-2020
Bangarang

I heard there's already a new Bug but the people don't share the Information, also there's a reason why it's hard. Quest is to Progress Step by Step.
It'd be really boring if every Player grind Scrider without any efforts doing the othe Quest to get better PVE stuffs.
05-10-2020
ParisRS

It's already re-glitchable, indeed.
05-10-2020
LostX

-Add Ammo, HP, AP to NPCS when killed.

Agreed, it will help a lot, and if act 2.x npcs spawned by bosses can get this it'll be amazing.

-Reduce NPC spawn

Hmm depends. If you are asking the number that the boss spawn then no. But if you mean something like a limit then yes. Somthing like 16 npcs should be fair and at the same time balanced to me.

-(Maybe) Nerf Scrider

No. As i said already in another thread, main problem of scrider was that it wasn't fair for pvp players. You're right in that now there aren't many scrider rooms but that's the point. Many people overused it for rebirths and win weekly compt, now think in those that don't play quest for any reason, would it be fair? I think nope.

I understand the point about that people would like to grind exp again (and i could be agreed), but in terms of balancing this wa broken and unfair. Instead of nerf scrider, i would suggest bring back the old exp (1.2M) or even make it give more than that, for example 1.5M, but this is up to McSic.

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Originally Posted by Bangarang

I heard there's already a new Bug but the people don't share the Information, also there's a reason why it's hard. Quest is to Progress Step by Step.
It'd be really boring if every Player grind Scrider without any efforts doing the othe Quest to get better PVE stuffs.

Well, remember for most of people quest is just an exp grinder, so they'll look for the faster and less effort way to do them (doesn't matter if it's boring or not for them).
05-10-2020
Dunkin

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Originally Posted by Sinon

-(Maybe) Nerf Scrider

No. As i said already in another thread, main problem of scrider was that it wasn't fair for pvp players. You're right in that now there aren't many scrider rooms but that's the point. Many people overused it for rebirths and win weekly compt, now think in those that don't play quest for any reason, would it be fair? I think nope.

Interesting, never though about that. But in reality, it really comes down to the choice of PVP players to utilize questing when it comes to XP. It's a very yes/no half way point especially when it comes to people who quest. Is it unfair for questers.

Really comes down to the person, but I agree with the fact that questing is an exp grinder, pretty sure it was designed that way.
You can also argue the fact that questers don't play PVP, is it fair for them?
05-10-2020
StephanM

I suppose the NPC drops (HP/AP/AMMO) could be increased by 10%.
05-10-2020
McSic

I do not see any reason to make scrider easier if you can beat him in less than 1 minute and get 1 million exp (+ bonus exp) for it. 1 million exp is extraordinary high for 1 minute of playing. If I was to make scrider even easier than he is now, I would heavily decrease the exp to like 300K. Also don't forget he's supposed to be one of the hardest bosses.
05-10-2020
LostX

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Originally Posted by Mrmistersir

Interesting, never though about that. But in reality, it really comes down to the choice of PVP players to utilize questing when it comes to XP. It's a very yes/no half way point especially when it comes to people who quest. Is it unfair for questers.

Really comes down to the person, but I agree with the fact that questing is an exp grinder, pretty sure it was designed that way.
You can also argue the fact that questers don't play PVP, is it fair for them?

If this would be a quest server (or at least if it would be more focused on quest) i would be agreed with that it'll be unfair for questers (anyway i'm one of them). But let's be honest, like 70-80% ppl here don't care about quest neither see it as a good mode for play. It's obiously that this server is more focus on PvP than Quest.

If we come to talk problems on Quests i've already made a thread about it, though it just solved some things (like the AI on all quests and PVE dmg of 1 hit), it almost become useless since most annoying bugs/glitches aren't fixed (NPCs can't die if someone leave isn't fixed on regular Quest. If the boss on act 2.x spawn an npc out of map it become impossible to complete isn't fixed, Mythicals can't be obtained if you don't take the chest/box isn't fixed, and more annoying glitches/bugs like these aren't still fixed). And they aren't fixed because this server isn't focus on Quest.

So, you can say Quests are in the background, and PvP is the main objective on this server. And i'm not saying it's something bad, anyway gunz was always more about PvP than Quest. And i'll be honest, this server at least has something unique and better than most of servers, which is PvE damage system, this literally made Quests something else which isn't only Exp Grinder.

If this server were a Quest Server, you would see me agreed with this of nerfing Scrider for grind exp, and also i would suggest many things about Quests, but the reality is that this server isn't for Questers unless u like to collect Mythicals (thing which i do).

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Originally Posted by StephanM

I suppose the NPC drops (HP/AP/AMMO) could be increased by 10%.

Actually the npcs spawned by a boss doesn't drop anything, so maybe i think it could be nice 20% to drop them.
05-10-2020
McSic

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Originally Posted by Sinon

Mythicals can't be obtained if you don't take the chest/box isn't fixed

I believe this is still a myth.

There's a server that was alive for a very long time, almost as old as FGunZ, until Joe, the owner of Evil GunZ, decided to try something different and focused completely on quests - it ended up having 0 players and died. GunZ is still alive 15 years after release, not because of the quests, but because of the PVP combat. So of course our focus is PVP.
05-10-2020
LostX

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Originally Posted by McSic

I believe this is still a myth.

i've already told you how i know it's a glitch in AlmasDoFuego's suggestion lol
05-10-2020
McSic

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Originally Posted by Sinon

i've already told you how i know it's a glitch in AlmasDoFuego's suggestion lol

Right. I just checked again and found the reason for it. Fixed in next update.
05-10-2020
Dunkin

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Originally Posted by McSic

I believe this is still a myth.

There's a server that was alive for a very long time, almost as old as FGunZ, until Joe, the owner of Evil GunZ, decided to try something different and focused completely on quests - it ended up having 0 players and died. GunZ is still alive 15 years after release, not because of the quests, but because of the PVP combat. So of course our focus is PVP.

I feel quest do still have a little bit of attraction to it, especially for players who are newer or have never really been the best in PVP. I think what attracted me to GunZ is their Questing which slowly guided my way over to PVP. Was an easy way for noobies to earn money and buy stronger weapons. I mostly see higher level players going for Challenge quests,usually the only CQ being played is Act 3 Scrider, I think NPC drops would work out very well, makes it a little bit easier and could also shave a couple seconds off Scrider.
05-10-2020
LostX

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Originally Posted by Mrmistersir

I feel quest do still have a little bit of attraction to it, especially for players who are newer or have never really been the best in PVP. I think what attracted me to GunZ is their Questing which slowly guided my way over to PVP. Was an easy way for noobies to earn money and buy stronger weapons. I mostly see higher level players going for Challenge quests,usually the only CQ being played is Act 3 Scrider, I think NPC drops would work out very well, makes it a little bit easier and could also shave a couple seconds off Scrider.

Hmm well, i don't really know about this. I would say quests have its times of popularity, so to speak. Some times there are many ppl playing it and some times it's a dead mode. Maybe because there isn't something really new on quests, i mean most ppl here do Golem for grind MGs or Scrider for grind Exp. Sometimes i see a room with players which do random quests for fun. I've been thinking about it and got an idea called "Raid Quest", but since there are many projects being working (Battle Royale mode, Blitz mode, New Cosmetics, Parkour Mode, etc.) and quests are in background i don't think i'll make a suggestion about it.
05-10-2020
Dunkin

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Originally Posted by Sinon

Hmm well, i don't really know about this. I would say quests have its times of popularity, so to speak. Some times there are many ppl playing it and some times it's a dead mode. Maybe because there isn't something really new on quests, i mean most ppl here do Golem for grind MGs or Scrider for grind Exp. Sometimes i see a room with players which do random quests for fun. I've been thinking about it and got an idea called "Raid Quest", but since there are many projects being working (Battle Royale mode, Blitz mode, New Cosmetics, Parkour Mode, etc.) and quests are in background i don't think i'll make a suggestion about it.

Interesting idea, I do agree with where you are coming from. Mainly encounter people who play quest just do play quest. It's hard to tell if they like it or not because questing is how it is x amount of years ago(talking about normal quest).
05-10-2020
McSic

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Originally Posted by Sinon

Hmm well, i don't really know about this. I would say quests have its times of popularity, so to speak. Some times there are many ppl playing it and some times it's a dead mode. Maybe because there isn't something really new on quests, i mean most ppl here do Golem for grind MGs or Scrider for grind Exp. Sometimes i see a room with players which do random quests for fun. I've been thinking about it and got an idea called "Raid Quest", but since there are many projects being working (Battle Royale mode, Blitz mode, New Cosmetics, Parkour Mode, etc.) and quests are in background i don't think i'll make a suggestion about it.

Feel free to suggest. I'm looking forward to your Raid Quest suggestion.