Room size and room duration.

Suggestion type: FGunZ



Suggestion description:

With the introduction of the new activity point system it had become the norm for people to play for 15 minutes and to go afk for several hours in a training room. This defeats the purpose of the system in the first place so something should be done about it. I would recommend that we place a time limit on training rooms to be maximum of 1 hour.

Also for a server that maxes out at 100 people online at good times, I think its ludicrous for the room sizes to be that massive. I think the absolute maximum should be 16, or maybe even 12. This would increase the amount of rooms we have on the server and give you more rooms to select from.
(I really miss the page 2 of lobby).

If this gets added we could actually have a decent amount of rooms. Which would lead to the good old competition for first page numbers. We should make the maximum rounds / kills required for the game to end (tdm/duel) to a maximum of 50, to shuffle the rooms more often.

Nick™ (pending)

I support this, would probably increase room variety. I think majority of the community is tired of choosing between training room or garden tdm.

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

I think majority of the community is tired of choosing between training room or garden tdm.

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Can relate to this, at this point I just shuffle between Turbo and Training because anything else just isn't that fun anymore.

This idea is good, but I don't think it would change that much, the main problem with there being no variety is simply because there isn't that many players online anymore (even though the numbers do go up to a 100+, it doesn't change the fact that most are AFK or in events). Overall I do support this idea, but I'm 50/50 on whether it would actually fix the issue.

Pretty sure they've said that you can't afk for hours but have to actually be "active" (earn xp/play events/kill players and bla) for 3 hours to gain activity points, so I don't know if this is even a thing.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Pretty sure they've said that you can't afk for hours but have to actually be "active" (earn xp/play events/kill players and bla) for 3 hours to gain activity points, so I don't know if this is even a thing.

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they meant play like turbo deathmatch for 15 min to get the exp quota for activity points then afk for the rest of the 3 hours.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

they meant play like turbo deathmatch for 15 min to get the exp quota for activity points then afk for the rest of the 3 hours.

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Yeah again, I didn't think that was how it worked. From what I've gathered from older threads you should be active for 3 hours. Not 15 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, but 3. So earning a significant amount of xp for 15 minutes shouldn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Yeah again, I didn't think that was how it worked. From what I've gathered from older threads you should be active for 3 hours. Not 15 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, but 3. So earning a significant amount of xp for 15 minutes shouldn't matter.

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You have to be online for 3 hours, if met all the requirments in 30 min, you can probably afk for the remaining time

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Yeah again, I didn't think that was how it worked. From what I've gathered from older threads you should be active for 3 hours. Not 15 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, but 3. So earning a significant amount of xp for 15 minutes shouldn't matter.

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I'm pretty sure those were the intentions. However though I find myself receiving activity points at times where I haven't spent even nearly close to 3 hours of playing

This could either be a good idea, or it could lead to 5 small Town training rooms being made all at once ;) Jokes.

I support this though. Most people just make one giant 32 player Town training room and then you see a decent TDM last for a bit, then the rest of the rooms will occasionally pop up and die quickly, like the turbos, DMs, and glad rooms. I'd rather see a bunch of smaller sized 10-12 player max rooms, since the players feel forced to make a new room instead of joining the one big one.

I like the time limit idea too on training rooms. It gets to the point where the map meds and meds you drop down won't even heal you because people keep these rooms up for days by going AFK. I'd say make it more like 3 hours though instead of 1. This could cause a problem for players who like to do skillmaps or medstyle and don't want to keep restarting a room.

I'd like a room hosted by the server itself, that just rotates maps in tdm, 10 rounds, like a sticky room

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Originally Posted by Jonathan pls

I'd like a room hosted by the server itself, that just rotates maps in tdm, 10 rounds, like a sticky room

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Great idea, indeed i support this. 100%.

just bring the cash prize back, pay it on time, and playercount will go up really good

Just make an auto-kick if players are afk for 15min in a training room.

Great, now we're going to have multiple full training rooms with people being AFK.

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Originally Posted by Awful

Also for a server that maxes out at 100 people online at good times, I think its ludicrous for the room sizes to be that massive. I think the absolute maximum should be 16, or maybe even 12. This would increase the amount of rooms we have on the server and give you more rooms to select from.
(I really miss the page 2 of lobby).

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Depriving players of what they like isn't a great idea, either. There are plenty of people who enjoy big rooms (but I admit, a 32 player garden all day isn't fun). Getting to page 2 of the lobby should happen with an increased player count or by giving players an incentive to do other stuff, not a division of players in rooms.

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Originally Posted by Skilly

Can relate to this, at this point I just shuffle between Turbo and Training because anything else just isn't that fun anymore.

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That's because certain features players liked about this server are no longer available. I don't play anymore for the same reason.

Instead of a 3 hour activity requirement, players should have an incentive to play various PvP modes. Ideally, turbo should exclusively be for high exp (rebirths), and other modes should have moderate exp rates and high bounty rates, so that players can convert their bounty to coins instead of earning them by playing for 30-40 minutes spread across a span of 3 hours and idling for the rest. I have around 90 million bounty in-game and it's worthless. Also, the daily free boxes should be replaced by a random drop system in-game just the way it was toward the end of ijji/Aeria.

https://i.imgur.com/bJPt6Pn.png

It should be enough to motivate players to get out of 32 player Town training rooms and start playing various gamemodes like Infected, CTF, DM + Berserker, etc.

What good is Turbo when only a certain set of players with 8-10 characters play it, in exactly one map, and get over 4000 easy kills every week for 100c and some lucky boxes?

I personally think it's a terrible idea to minimize the room size because some people, mostly training heroes, enjoy having the ability to play in a full room with another 30 people. Some people come online just to 'hang out' in training rooms and not to play CW, TDM or Infected. Those specific people will lose interest very quickly if we decide to split them up.

Before I've stopped playing, I was only cwing. And when cw went inactive, I went to training rooms because it was actually fun to have a chat with some people. I don't know about now, but when I played in training rooms, I barely saw any AFKers, maybe one or two but that's all. I don't know if there's such thing, but an auto-kick for afkers in training rooms can be a good idea.

Copy pasting what I wrote in a different group:

From what I get to hear from the community directly, most people seem to be upset about us removing and stripping them from content and accessibility. Downgrading rooms will just be added on to that complaint.

You say more options but I don't think this is the way to go for it. I don't think this will lead to people being more open-minded for other modes but more likely just stop playing altogether if they can't just "hang out" with a bunch of people and feel like a part of the community/game. I think having a huge room filled with people adds to the excitment of just being with a bunch of people the same time
Maybe the channel chatbox will become more active then
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If you wanted more variation on modes and sort of rooms, then you shouldn't have removed the tags
That really killed a lot of rooms/modes
Still get to hear complaints about that
it ruined their "playstyle" and a bunch of "fun" modes

I still don't really understand why we removed it. We basically stripped them off having fun their own way to try please the veterans of this game
What I'm saying is that they are in a training room for a reason. I don't think "removing" the training room will make them go elsewhere but probably just disappear all together
a bunch of those modes were a thing when the tags were here
For real tho, why exactly were tags removed? was it because what I stated above about Old school players or was it simply because you didn't want tags? Because I still just see it as a downgrade
you removed the creativity of different kind of "modes"

Usually there's a lot of people in there just talking with each other
A bunch of them are "randoms", new players or just don't know anyone and who is trying to feel like a part of the game/community
A bunch try to just talk to others and throw in a comment here and there to get to know others

It's like when you start a pubg game or w/e and see a bunch of people
it feels good just seeing a bunch of other people
it makes it feel bigger than what it really is
Whenever I'm in training rooms then most people doesn't seem to be afk

Don't minimize room size ok thnx

I totally disagree. I don't think this is a good idea at all. Playing in crowded rooms is always fun. And limiting the room player count will make only people complain and leave the server.

What about making it so training rooms have no impact on the 3 hours activity instead of decreasing the rooms capacity/duration?

hey... fg rooms are all garden and atk n def. why help them make MANY more? Is no point "shrug"

From my perspective, we are taking away less freedom for players by putting a limit to any room.

The purpose of training room was for people to train. But slowly, it has evolved into a room where people can relax and hangout with friends without spamming the lobby but also having the ability to be in character and chill.

I believe there will be another solution to more variety rooms if the player counts went up. Maybe adding some odd Tags like [R][IA] would bring some variety.

Then you would possiblity have a :
TDM Garden with [R][IA]
TDM Garden with no tags
AnD Mansion with [R][IA]
AnD Mansion with no tags


Some people enjoy the tags and play in those rooms. Some people don't like tags and play in the rooms without tags.

I think many people are misinterpreting my point here. I have no problem with big training rooms. It's the fact that they're just used as an afk platform to get your daily hours in. Touching the training room player limit is not necessary. However I think there should be a timer on training rooms.

What I despise is that the only choice you currently have is between 32 player Garden "TDM" and a training room with 20 afk people. And honestly I think the 32 player garden rooms are ridiculous. It's the other modes than training that need the player limits in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

What about making it so training rooms have no impact on the 3 hours activity instead of decreasing the rooms capacity/duration?

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That's even worse. As an active player I'm saying is, lot of people in this server enjoys to stay in training rooms to hang out with friends and chill. Just like Linzor said, most of those players are not even afk. If training rooms get removed from impact on 3h activity, I'm sure we'll lose even more players.

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Originally Posted by Awful

However I think there should be a timer on training rooms.

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I disagree again. Let the players have freedom to play about how many hours they want to play in a room. Doesn't matter if it's training or any other mode. If you want to play in other modes or maps try to make those rooms and wait a bit to get other players join.

If this is all the case I do not see a problem putting a time limit on training rooms only, say 30 minutes, when it ends you can just start game again and kick the afks.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

If this is all the case I do not see a problem putting a time limit on training rooms only, say 30 minutes, when it ends you can just start game again and kick the afks.

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Too inconvenient, makes active players in the room leave and sometimes even log off, it stops the flow of the room and the discussions, happens in exp rooms as well.

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Originally Posted by #1Chef

Too inconvenient, makes active players in the room leave and sometimes even log off, it stops the flow of the room and the discussions, happens in exp rooms as well.

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Definitely agree.

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Originally Posted by Bulba

From my perspective, we are taking away less freedom for players by putting a limit to any room.

The purpose of training room was for people to train. But slowly, it has evolved into a room where people can relax and hangout with friends without spamming the lobby but also having the ability to be in character and chill.

I believe there will be another solution to more variety rooms if the player counts went up. Maybe adding some odd Tags like [R][IA] would bring some variety.

Then you would possiblity have a :
TDM Garden with [R][IA]
TDM Garden with no tags
AnD Mansion with [R][IA]
AnD Mansion with no tags


Some people enjoy the tags and play in those rooms. Some people don't like tags and play in the rooms without tags.

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hey... DO NOT BRING BACK R IA TAG!!!!!!!!! A lot of players were lost when cws were inactive and EVERY room was R IA.... It's gone.. fought hard enough in the past to ensure that it happened... Please do not bring this back....

Regards,

A concerned GunZ player

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Originally Posted by #1Chef

Too inconvenient, makes active players in the room leave and sometimes even log off, it stops the flow of the room and the discussions, happens in exp rooms as well.

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Move it up to 60 minutes instead?
Honestly forgot if there was a maximum amount of time or an infinite amount of time on rooms right now.

Also I am just trying to think along the topic, personally I see no issue with people afking but I can see the point of switching up rooms every now and then to be a refreshing sight.

Looks like this is a hot topic of discussion.

Here's some of what I picked up from this thread (and what I could easily do):

- Add an AFK-autokick-timer for training rooms that kicks you after 5 or 10 minutes of complete inactivity (like we already have for all other modes)

- Remove the 'infinite' time and round option for other modes than Training

- Cap the max player room size for other modes than Training

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Originally Posted by McSic

Looks like this is a hot topic of discussion.

Here's some of what I picked up from this thread (and what I could easily do):

- Add an AFK-autokick-timer for training rooms that kicks you after 5 or 10 minutes of complete inactivity (like we already have for all other modes)

- Remove the 'infinite' time and round option for other modes than Training

- Cap the max player room size for other modes than Training

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i can only agree with the kick after being afk for 10-15 minutes because of the points zeino and others brought up

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Originally Posted by Bunny

i can only agree with the kick after being afk for 10-15 minutes because of the points zeino and others brought up

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I agree with Bunny.

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Originally Posted by Avenge

hey... DO NOT BRING BACK R IA TAG!!!!!!!!! A lot of players were lost when cws were inactive and EVERY room was R IA.... It's gone.. fought hard enough in the past to ensure that it happened... Please do not bring this back....

Regards,

A concerned GunZ player

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[r] [ia] is useful, I usually play Capture the Flag back then, and i accidently learned how to rs co'z of that tag. there we're 500/200 players at that time, and in every room there are so many new players like me that use rifles and rockets and what we all do is spam untill version 8 comes and remove a lot of tags a massive change, It ruined Freestyle GunZ not because of the hitbox change It's because of the Anti-Lead, Silent's hitbox was pretty much better than 1.5's Hitbox, the only reason why players didn't like it because sometimes they dealt a huge damage randomly and sometimes it does 0 damage even though u did hit pb, and what i see is they we're blaming the hitbox instead of the Anti-Lead- > not just me other of my friends does feels it too.

tags are much useful if u will look back at the previous version of Freestyle GunZ, new players like the game co'z of that tag theres something that u can't explain that FGunZ is something unique coz of that tag > my point here is the fun factor that makes players happy, for me it really doesn't matter if they put back or not well they won't since they removed it already there's no point for them to bring it back, aldo there are [r][ia] on CTF and INFECTED. I'ts kinda sad at the same time that we are getting 50 player count and the highest is 100, we are the official Freestyle GunZ the main one, other gunz server from Vietnam and Taiwan, copied FGunZ version 7 and as of now they got 1.4k players, lowest is 400 Taiwan Server. the Vietnam hit 700 player's lowest is 200. This is how popular Freestyle GunZ is.

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Originally Posted by McSic

- Remove the 'infinite' time and round option for other modes than Training

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An infinite timer is useful in modes like Gungame, DM, and CTF, where players can actually win by achieving the target score/kills. It can be quite annoying for CTF games to end in 30 minutes thanks to the default timer. I'd made a suggestion about adjusting default timers a while ago. Maybe it'd help end rounds within an appropriate amount of time.

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Originally Posted by McSic

- Cap the max player room size for other modes than Training

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I might be biased here, but this is just another way of depriving us of certain popular features that were removed after v7. Infected, CTF, DM, and Gungame are great in big rooms. If some people don't like big TDM rooms, they should simply avoid them rather than taking away the option from others who enjoy them.

I don't generally find the garden or atk & def crowd playing small TDM rotations in 5 maps on repeat for long - they just quit or join training rooms. People with the constant serious/"oldgen" mentality who consider everyone else "questers" or "randoms" aren't the only ones who play, so it's only fair that all kinds of players have the options to do what they like. Variety makes this game fun.

I will do a few changes next update and we will see how it goes from there.