Clan War Discussion (Code Name: #CHANGECLANWAR2014)

Seeing that Clan Wars seems to be the largest issue for most of the players, let's brainstorm to see how to push game play.

I think pushing team play is what we need most. After playing GunZ for the past few days (to gain perspective that I have been probably missing), clan game play not only seems a little empty, it feels unfinished to me. There simply is not enough to gain from playing with a clan outside of the monthly contest Freestyle puts in place on a monthly basis (in which only a few clans ever receive an award).

Instead of changes to Clan War, let us think of additions to Clan play in general. What would boost not only the ability of clans, but the necessity for them. Clan War can be made more interesting, yes, but unless members are actively playing with their clan members, what does it even matter.

Right now let us just brainstorm ideas leaving rational thinking to the side. Rather than questioning if it will work, simply say what you think will benefit clan play.

Please stay on topic of either Clan gameplay or Clan War changes, every other post will be removed.

TL;DR: Many threads have been made in order to change clan war, I want this to thread to focus on clan play in general.

Implant all of this : https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...gestion-Thread

Thats all clanwars need, not extra rewards or w/e.

In order to win you need to win, you want to win you need to play good.

If you suck you shoudn't be rewarded '-'.

If you just all of those things the team play will be alot better.

Also less banning legit players so they need to make a unban appeal so they don't have to wait 2 weeks before they can cw again '-', just saying.

'-' this is a little off topic but..

if you guys:

allowed gm to spectate CWS
allowed gms to turn a players crosshair_pick on and off (assuming that you will bring the crosshair pick back)
give a notification/make the gunz tab flash when a person is alt tabbed and in a cw or receiving a clan war invite
showed the team members HP/ap on the top of the screen
LET PLAYERS REJOIN CWS BY TYPING /REJOIN IN LOBBY

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Originally Posted by Steff

Implant all of this : https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...gestion-Thread

Thats all clanwars need, not extra rewards or w/e.

In order to win you need to win, you want to win you need to play good.

If you suck you shoudn't be rewarded '-'.

If you just all of those things the team play will be alot better.

Also less banning legit players so they need to make a unban appeal so they don't have to wait 2 weeks before they can cw again '-', just saying.

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So you don't think gameplay out of clan wars should be beneficial to clans? Extra gameplay added in support of groups?

In my head tournament style competitions can only go so far. Not everyone is extremely competitive (especially on Freestyle), but everyone likes cooperative play every once in awhile.

Yes we can change clan wars in all those ways mentioned, but unless we have more people playing in clans in general, it will never grow.

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Originally Posted by Johnny

'-' this is a little off topic but..

if you guys:

allowed gm to spectate CWS
allowed gms to turn a players crosshair_pick on and off (assuming that you will bring the crosshair pick back)
give a notification/make the gunz tab flash when a person is alt tabbed and in a cw or receiving a clan war invite
showed the team members HP/ap on the top of the screen
LET PLAYERS REJOIN CWS BY TYPING /REJOIN IN LOBBY

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Totally ontopic in my eyes, small changes are just as needed as large ones.

Cap it to 1 type of each weapon, so everyone has equals damage, hp and so on.

edit: sure 2 sgs but same stats.

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Originally Posted by Wucas

So you don't think gameplay out of clan wars should be beneficial to clans? Extra gameplay added in support of groups?

In my head tournament style competitions can only go so far. Not everyone is extremely competitive (especially on Freestyle), but everyone likes cooperative play every once in awhile.

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If you mean something like CTF, Assasin, Gladiator -
Please no, this would mean clanwars would even die more if you seperate the small clanwar group now into smaller groups..
Also it woudn't be hard to win ctf just use spray, assasin just use revs, gladiator just macro tbf or spam flip.

Teamdeatch match with extra options like show HP/AP of your team etc stuff that boosts team deathmatch (current cws).
The skill level is so low on fgunz people leave, it should get higher again just throwing it out here.
Gets boring player against people who can't RS, abuse [R] and just play training rooms.
Some people only play gunz for the clanwars, and if you mess with that too badly they might also leave so ehh..

Just make clanwar clothes, and clanwar guns, so everyone has equal stats and dmg. Seems like a fair solution to me

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Originally Posted by jonathanten

Just make clanwar clothes, and clanwar guns, so everyone has equal stats and dmg. Seems like a fair solution to me

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Then why would anyone even bother to donate.

Damages, hp/ap are fine and w/e.

Remove spray from cws would be cool tho.

More spread to donor spray :$.

How about we create maps that are suitable for CW as what Nagi had once posted before.
Can we have an update based on that topic?
And please take out 'Prison' from the Clan War map rotation. Campy as ****.

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Originally Posted by Steff

If you mean something like CTF, Assasin, Gladiator -
Please no, this would mean clanwars would even die more if you seperate the small clanwar group now into smaller groups..
Also it woudn't be hard to win ctf just use spray, assasin just use revs, gladiator just macro tbf or spam flip.

Teamdeatch match with extra options like show HP/AP of your team etc stuff that boosts team deathmatch (current cws).
The skill level is so low on fgunz people leave, it should get higher again just throwing it out here.
Gets boring player against people who can't RS, abuse [R] and just play training rooms.
Some people only play gunz for the clanwars, and if you mess with that too badly they might also leave so ehh..

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This is my point though, we can make small additions to clan wars benefiting game play but too much will change it completely. Am I saying changing the single player game modes to benefit people who are in clans, no, but to just put focus on a single tournament every month seems silly to me.

• We could push weapons and armor that was received only at a certain clan point count.
• We could create a new gamemode that forced clan play, but not in a tournament fashion.
• We could reroute the quest gameplay that allowed for clan-only quest.

My point is that clan gameplay is limited to a single tournament, and although I like skill vs skill gameplay as much as anyone here, Mike and Adorable showed me that competitive gameplay may not be what is on the minds of alot of Freestyle players.

I agree that Cooperative gameplay is extremely important for GunZ, but I also feel that we can push the boundaries and not limit ourselves to a single game type to use it in.


Do I welcome changes to Clan War in this thread? Sure enough, it can have changes that benefit all players. I just want everyone to open their minds a little bit and think of clan play as a much larger thing than simply "Clan Wars".

-In-game leaderboards.
While being in-game, having leaderboards should motivate the hardcore players to play more CW. Simply because they can show off and see how others are doing.

-A more visual friendly way for us to see which clans are in CW right now.
Right now, when we log-in you enter your clan channel or the main channel. When entering the clan channel there is no option to see which clans are in CW right now, or which players. You have like 5~30 clan rooms where all sorts of players are AFK and what not. How about a main clan channel? There you can see howmany players are in the main clan channel, so you can have this vague idea of how many are playing. Besides that, some sorta lists of ongoing wars could be useful as well.

-Monthly tournaments
In the past, tournaments that have been hosted haven't always been successful. I believe that when we have monthly tournaments people will be more ready for it, plan it in their schedule. This tournament could for example be hosted for the top 10 clans at the end of each month.

1. Fix SGs to be 1000 delay in clan war.
2. Fix our stats to 120/100.
3. Make tourneys happen more often.
4. lead/ anti-lead clan war.
5. rejoin clan war.
6. change the reward system. players who earn more than 500 points in the top 5 clans should be rewarded.

The skill gap between players is too high for most players to enjoy clan war.

And i also agree with the rewards based on points earn

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Originally Posted by Wucas

This is my point though, we can make small additions to clan wars benefiting game play but too much will change it completely. Am I saying changing the single player game modes to benefit people who are in clans, no, but to just put focus on a single tournament every month seems silly to me.

• We could push weapons and armor that was received only at a certain clan point count.
• We could create a new gamemode that forced clan play, but not in a tournament fashion.
• We could reroute the quest gameplay that allowed for clan-only quest.

My point is that clan gameplay is limited to a single tournament, and although I like skill vs skill gameplay as much as anyone here, Mike and Adorable showed me that competitive gameplay may not be what is on the minds of alot of Freestyle players.

I agree that Cooperative gameplay is extremely important for GunZ, but I also feel that we can push the boundaries and not limit ourselves to a single game type to use it in.


Do I welcome changes to Clan War in this thread? Sure enough, it can have changes that benefit all players. I just want everyone to open their minds a little bit and think of clan play as a much larger thing than simply "Clan Wars".

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Not to be rude but non-competative clanwars, isn't a clanwar but a teamtraining.
Clan quests? what is the point of questing, to level up and get higher-level items/weapons.
Or just spam rebirths to get donation items, questing in fgunz is too easy.
It should stay as competative if not more competative. No offense but Miranda and Mike don't clanwar so I don't think they get how it is for the real clan-war players.
FGunZ shoudn't adapt to the players, but the players to fgunz. If fgunz adapts to the players you only aim for a small target while there are atleast 2.5 K active gunz players total. Make more options like clanwar adjustments but not new-styles or anything like that.
A shit load of people stopped fgunz because the competition here was to low, it's sad (all started with [R] :$).
I agree on armor part, it shoudn't have more stats than a donor set but the same as a regulair set but should look unique.

Don't forget it's a shooting game, FGunZ is atm more like a habbo-hotel like game with all them training rooms and [R][IA].
Cw's is the only thing that is attracting me to stay and not quit gunz for now.

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Originally Posted by Steff

Not to be rude but non-competative clanwars, isn't a clanwar but a teamtraining.
Clan quests? what is the point of questing, to level up and get higher-level items/weapons.
Or just spam rebirths to get donation items, questing in fgunz is too easy.
It should stay as competative if not more competative. No offense but Miranda and Mike don't clanwar so I don't think they get how it is for the real clan-war players.
FGunZ shoudn't adapt to the players, but the players to fgunz. If fgunz adapts to the players you only aim for a small target while there are atleast 2.5 K active gunz players total. Make more options like clanwar adjustments but not new-styles or anything like that.
A shit load of people stopped fgunz because the competition here was to low, it's sad (all started with [R] :$).
I agree on armor part, it shoudn't have more stats than a donor set but the same as a regulair set but should look unique.

Don't forget it's a shooting game, FGunZ is atm more like a habbo-hotel like game with all them training rooms and [R][IA].
Cw's is the only thing that is attracting me to stay and not quit gunz for now.

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There we go then, we can work on the armor idea.

Am I saying that I agree with the ideas I suggested? No, I simply am trying to place the focus on something more than the top 3 clans who get money.

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Originally Posted by Wucas

There we go then, we can work on the armor idea.

Am I saying that I agree with the ideas I suggested? No, I simply am trying to place the focus on something more than the top 3 clans who get money.

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Since this is a discussion thread I won't stop my self by asking : Why is it so wrong to just reward the top 3 clans '-'.

This is just a friendly discussion I don't want to come over rude or anything, if I do please tell me :$.

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Originally Posted by Steff

Since this is a discussion thread I won't stop my self by asking : Why is it so wrong to just reward the top 3 clans '-'.

This is just a friendly discussion I don't want to come over rude or anything, if I do please tell me :$.

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I don't see you as rude, it is a fair question.

Maybe I am the only person that feels this way, but in my head unless you are in one of six or so clans the chances of you benefiting from playing a clan war are minuscule, thus clan gameplay is ignored completely. These players then go play their [R][IA] training rooms just like you mentioned.

I believe in competition, I mean I cried during the Free to Play Movie by Valve, but placing the whole focus on the top clans damages gameplay for those who just want to play for fun. Not everyone is driven by competition.

Are you driven by competition? Looks like it. Am I driven by competition? Damn straight; but as a developer I have to think of all players, not just those who have a similar thinking as I do.

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Originally Posted by Wucas

I don't see you as rude, it is a fair question.

Maybe I am the only person that feels this way, but in my head unless you are in one of six or so clans the chances of you benefiting from playing a clan war are minuscule, thus clan gameplay is ignored completely. These players then go play their [R][IA] training rooms just like you mentioned.

I believe in competition, I mean I cried during the Free to Play Movie by Valve, but placing the whole focus on the top clans damages gameplay for those who just want to play for fun. Not everyone is driven by competition.

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" for fun " I'm pretty sure the skill level of most of these players wouldn't let them have fun in clan war.

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Originally Posted by Corpse

" for fun " I'm pretty sure the skill level of most of these players wouldn't let them have fun in clan war.

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Putting skill level aside, our goal is to make this game enjoyable for everyone, not just the people with a 3 to 1 k/d ratio. Making clan play (maybe not Clan Wars, but the act of playing with a clan) beneficial for all is optimal.

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Originally Posted by Wucas

Putting skill level aside, our goal is to make this game enjoyable for everyone, not just the people with a 3 to 1 k/d ratio. Making clan play (maybe not Clan Wars, but the act of playing with a clan) beneficial for all is optimal.

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Then the only thing to do is let them do what they do and play CTF 24/7. Because in all it always come down to skill levels , when someone so above you comes in a room most players rq. Same thing with clan war , only about 4-5 clans cw against SF. I've heard even Malice dodges them , the gap between rank 1 and 2 shouldn't be that huge.

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Originally Posted by Wucas

I don't see you as rude, it is a fair question.

Maybe I am the only person that feels this way, but in my head unless you are in one of six or so clans the chances of you benefiting from playing a clan war are minuscule, thus clan gameplay is ignored completely. These players then go play their [R][IA] training rooms just like you mentioned.

I believe in competition, I mean I cried during the Free to Play Movie by Valve, but placing the whole focus on the top clans damages gameplay for those who just want to play for fun. Not everyone is driven by competition.

Are you driven by competition? Looks like it. Am I driven by competition? Damn straight; but as a developer I have to think of all players, not just those who have a similar thinking as I do.

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Trust me, if clan wars could have mods like [R][IA] people'd definitely play it. But I assume that's out of the question, or maybe...

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Originally Posted by Steff

Implant all of this : https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...gestion-Thread

Thats all clanwars need, not extra rewards or w/e.

In order to win you need to win, you want to win you need to play good.

If you suck you shoudn't be rewarded '-'.

If you just all of those things the team play will be alot better.

Also less banning legit players so they need to make a unban appeal so they don't have to wait 2 weeks before they can cw again '-', just saying.

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Many suggestions in that thread are on the to-do list, but that's up to the coders when they have time to implement it.

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Originally Posted by QBee

Trust me, if clan wars could have mods like [R][IA] people'd definitely play it. But I assume that's out of the question, or maybe...

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I fought long and hard to get rid of roomtags and (more or less) failed. Adding them to Clan War does not pique my interest.

loooool

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Originally Posted by QBee

Trust me, if clan wars could have mods like [R][IA] people'd definitely play it. But I assume that's out of the question, or maybe...

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I guarantee the moment they add those to clan war everyone cwing right now would quit.

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Originally Posted by Wucas

I fought long and hard to get rid of roomtags and (more or less) failed. Adding them to Clan War does not pique my interest.

loooool

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I know. I wouldn't want roomtags in clan wars either. That's just... no, stop.

Get rid of donors and start using the old fashioned ijji way.

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Originally Posted by Miko pls

Get rid of donors and start using the old fashioned ijji way.

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Oh yeah I'm sure all the people who donated like to see all of their donation items to be removed.
Also, this is a general suggestion, has nothing to do with CW. https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...estions-Thread

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Originally Posted by Dave

Oh yeah I'm sure all the people who donated like to see all of their donation items to be removed.
Also, this is a general suggestion, has nothing to do with CW. https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...estions-Thread

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I'm removed from that thread , was only talking about removing them from cw

Only way to increase clan war is to add more rewards...in addition tothe top 3 the following ranks might get coins for reward

Drop the current 100 dollar rank 1 reward.
Add it to tournaments for the highly skilled players.
Get another reward to replace the rank 1-3 ones.
Max limit to clans like 15 ppl to make more clans cw.
Drop 1/4 of the costume items to be bought with some kind of currency gained by cwing (CW points or sumthin).
Same thing would be done to quest (items only achieved by questing).

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Originally Posted by Midnight

Drop the current 100 dollar rank 1 reward.
Add it to tournaments for the highly skilled players.
Get another reward to replace the rank 1-3 ones.
Max limit to clans like 15 ppl to make more clans cw.
Drop 1/4 of the costume items to be bought with some kind of currency gained by cwing (CW points or sumthin).
Same thing would be done to quest (items only achieved by questing).

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i agree with limiting clans to 15 because that would increase competition . This suggestion worked with another server where before the change there was top 3 clan with above 10k point while the rest were at around 3k but after it was alot more different and active.

Make a tourny out of the top clans would largely increase it

Having the tourny prize for 1st 2nd and 3rd get money reward (if the admins approve) and snorkel

Remove Vials and Pills would largely increase the game play in clan wars

When you enter a cw, do you even see people using pmeds anymore?

It's as if they don't even exist in the game of Clan Wars

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Originally Posted by GodTommy

Make a tourny out of the top clans would largely increase it

Having the tourny prize for 1st 2nd and 3rd get money reward (if the admins approve) and snorkel

Remove Vials and Pills would largely increase the game play in clan wars

When you enter a cw, do you even see people using pmeds anymore?

It's as if they don't even exist in the game of Clan Wars

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Premium meds are pretty much useless. To be honest, I wish they could heal just like Bananas and Lucky Chocolate Bars. Those are real meds.

On topic: I think increasing the exp a little bit may also motivate people to play clan wars like.. make the exp go to 2x or even 2.5x

add facking rejoin plz

i have ae 24/7 aff

Rejoin has been mentioned already. Please focus on what has not been mentioned with Clan War and other things we can do with the clan system in general.

I think that the cw's are fine, as they actually raise the competition for a lot of players, look at the top ranking clans each month, they have quite a lot of points because they find it interesting / competitive. If you wanna win, you've gotta kill/try, not hard. Shouldn't have to remove anything or add anything except for the HP/AP bar that was suggested (in my idea). Aren't we supposed to be unique? Removing/adding stuff could be unique, but why would we change it when maybe in a few months/weeks/years someone could qq about it and want it removed? Don't start a cycle you won't be able to keep up with.

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Originally Posted by Zachary!

I think that the cw's are fine, as they actually raise the competition for a lot of players, look at the top ranking clans each month, they have quite a lot of points because they find it interesting / competitive. If you wanna win, you've gotta kill/try, not hard. Shouldn't have to remove anything or add anything except for the HP/AP bar that was suggested (in my idea). Aren't we supposed to be unique? Removing/adding stuff could be unique, but why would we change it when maybe in a few months/weeks/years someone could qq about it and want it removed? Don't start a cycle you won't be able to keep up with.

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Clan Wars is by far the most commonplace thing Freestyle has.... Literally no changes have been made to it.

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Originally Posted by Zachary!

I think that the cw's are fine, as they actually raise the competition for a lot of players, look at the top ranking clans each month, they have quite a lot of points because they find it interesting / competitive. If you wanna win, you've gotta kill/try, not hard. Shouldn't have to remove anything or add anything except for the HP/AP bar that was suggested (in my idea). Aren't we supposed to be unique? Removing/adding stuff could be unique, but why would we change it when maybe in a few months/weeks/years someone could qq about it and want it removed? Don't start a cycle you won't be able to keep up with.

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3k point in a month is rather low especially on a server with 5v5 enabled.

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Originally Posted by Wucas

Clan Wars is by far the most commonplace thing Freestyle has.... Literally no changes have been made to it.

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And I think that it should stay that way, instead of adding stupid stuff like [R][IA] and forbidding Sprayers, or adding custom items, will just make it worse.

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Originally Posted by Corpse

3k point in a month is rather low especially on a server with 5v5 enabled.

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That's because of the amount of players we have... Only around 250-350, other servers have more, leading to more points.

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Originally Posted by Zachary!

I think that the cw's are fine, as they actually raise the competition for a lot of players, look at the top ranking clans each month, they have quite a lot of points because they find it interesting / competitive. If you wanna win, you've gotta kill/try, not hard. Shouldn't have to remove anything or add anything except for the HP/AP bar that was suggested (in my idea). Aren't we supposed to be unique? Removing/adding stuff could be unique, but why would we change it when maybe in a few months/weeks/years someone could qq about it and want it removed? Don't start a cycle you won't be able to keep up with.

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It's always sunflower rank 1 unless some people no-life clanwar hours straight to get pts.
The skill level on freestyle gunz is shit thats why sunflower keeps getting rank 1.
It's not hard to get in the top 7 list like at all..

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Originally Posted by Zachary!

And I think that it should stay that way, instead of adding stupid stuff like [R][IA] and forbidding Sprayers, or adding custom items, will just make it worse.



That's because of the amount of players we have... Only around 250-350, other servers have more, leading to more points.

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Thats not true...old server i played had the same amount of players yet we reached up to 13k point one month.

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Originally Posted by Steff

It's always sunflower rank 1 unless some people no-life clanwar hours straight to get pts.
The skill level on freestyle gunz is shit thats why sunflower keeps getting rank 1.
It's not hard to get in the top 7 list like at all..

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If the skill level is shit, how are they at the top. Are you saying that they're good clanwarrers, or only rank 1 because of donators? Because people could easily get rank 1 just like you said.

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Originally Posted by Corpse

Thats not true...old server i played had the same amount of players yet we reached up to 13k point one month.

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People know better not to mess with people from Sunflower than or other top ranking clans.

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Originally Posted by Zachary!

If the skill level is shit, how are they at the top. Are you saying that they're good clanwarrers, or only rank 1 because of donators? Because people could easily get rank 1 just like you said.

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The reason sunflower is rank 1 is because they are good.
They don't only play FGunZ, besides them yes it's shit.
Look at some reports, lose = report while obv legit.

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Originally Posted by Steff

The reason sunflower is rank 1 is because they are good.
They don't only play FGunZ, besides them yes it's shit.
Look at some reports, lose = report while obv legit.

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I agree with you on this, if someone were to lose a cw, they post a report because they feel like their being hacked/cheated against.
And yes, Sunflower is good because they're purely good.

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Originally Posted by Midnight

Drop the current 100 dollar rank 1 reward.
Add it to tournaments for the highly skilled players.
Get another reward to replace the rank 1-3 ones.
Max limit to clans like 15 ppl to make more clans cw.
Drop 1/4 of the costume items to be bought with some kind of currency gained by cwing (CW points or sumthin).
Same thing would be done to quest (items only achieved by questing).

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Those are the only possible things that could raise the cw activity in this server. You can change a lot of other stuff but in the end, what's wrong is the fg community, not the server itself, apart from that.

First get rid of the all the unlegits so people actualy WANT to cw.
Second an incentive- thats what motivates most of us tbh. The hundred dollar thing great but lots of unlegits hack because of it. Change it to something else.
Third advance your cw. Ive played on many differnet servers and almost all are more advanced.
Let us see our friends hp. Let us toggle how much damage we've made seperately and as a team. Rejoin function like johnny said is great. A command- if your suspicous of a certain clan their could be a command to record the cw and send it into a folder for the staff to see.
I have nothing else right now.

The best players need to stop congregating in one or two clans.

What happened to the blitzkrieg ideal? Instead of a random team, you could do blitzkrieg with clans. I don't know if I would go exactly the same scenario with the original blitzkrieg, but in that perspective, clans should find a new way to challenge others... game-play, sure, different weapon styles, sure. What about a possibility of clan duel tournaments? That's beneficial. I do think rewards should be implemented though. A lot of CW's are very crowded during a CW tournament. Make a specialized crown for clans that win the tourneys or a new type of reward that says they earned it.

this is the answer to the problem: https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...light=analysis

also my reply yesterday got deleted, but i'll say the main thing again: you have to figure out the what and the why, define the goal clearly and with simplicity. You will get lost in the technical jungle of how and come up with things that you may not be sure is needed and /or ideas that are definately unnecessary. Once you know the what and why, everythin else that you come up with will all be focused towards it.

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

this is the answer to the problem: https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...light=analysis

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Even with all the effort u put in, theres just bunch of bad ideas.
CTF championships lol

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Originally Posted by Buddhism

The best players need to stop congregating in one or two clans.

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and in order to do that limit the amount of players in one clan.

Coming from Jaay :

Just make it [V] so everyone has the same hp and none tanks.
I don't think sg's delay should be re-organized because people and I paid hellllllla much to get a damn limit breaker.

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Originally Posted by Erix_

Coming from Jaay :

Just make it [V] so everyone has the same hp and none tanks.
I don't think sg's delay should be re-organized because people and I paid hellllllla much to get a damn limit breaker.

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Items other then pills and vials aren't making much problems in cw so items aren't the main issue with cw.
As ive said before its not the server but the players thats wrong with fg in terms of cw . All the cw players are stacked in one or three clans having no one else to cw againts

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Originally Posted by Midnight

Even with all the effort u put in, theres just bunch of bad ideas.
CTF championships lol

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They're not, they would work out and do what I said they will do for the game. No one has disproved me on that claim ever since I made the thread.