We're looking for information on why Scrider was so easy and how some people could complete it within a minute. We need to know specifics so we can look into it and "fix" it.
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We're looking for information on why Scrider was so easy and how some people could complete it within a minute. We need to know specifics so we can look into it and "fix" it.
they could've ride the scrider easily because it was bugged somehow.
that's all.
Well yes we know that, we just need to know specifics of what was bugged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lin
For example couldn't it hit you within a certain range?
scrider just had too little hp to be honest. you could easily do 50000 dmg each in a minute and im guessing it had like 200000 health
also the shots he shot everytime just always missed no matter what u did
his pathing was just wack he wouldnt chase u down if he missed his knock up ability thingy
its not about about completing it so easily, some people had a good PVE gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
so, they could've ride it and when the scrider used to hit they went back and repeating this so the scrider couldn't get them.
It's not about fix it
You can increase Scrider HP
Or decrease PVE value which used in guns easily .
It's not just an issue of HP or riding, iirc scriders ranged attack never hits you. as far as riding, that's an easy fix for every quest, if questing and a player is on top of an npc, teleport them a few steps away and back down to the floor.
All other cq's have several stages, Scrider only one. This is enough to reduce the xp.
He uses like 6 attacks but only 2 r dangerous, the mechanical attack and the spawn of soldiers. All other attacks did nothing, e.g. the freezing circles. If they really would do damage it would be much harder, because u have to fly most of the time.
If u have a skilled team u do teamwork, u need a locker/lurer (ride is something different, means to freeze one boss while standing on his head, but they called it so) and 3 other people kill the spawned soldiers to protect the "rider". The job of the "rider" was to lure the boss to himself going close and to block so the mechanical attack. That is pretty simple, just wait for the fireballs (which did nothing), then go back a little (like palmpow). All scrider spammer (e.g. Lilith, formerly no.1) have high pve guns which enable to kill Scrider in less than in minute (my best score was 55 seconds).
So either reduce the xp and let everything like it is or make some of the attacks which werent dangerous sharp, like e.g. the fireballs.
TBH whole cq has some wacky AI that doesn't know what to do when no one is standing on the ground except for gunners, but if they are too close can't even shoot directly up nor back up to be able to hit you, so if 2 people were to hang on the wall with those handy ledges that have enough collision to hold an ammo clip and 2 people on top of hangers head nothing is able to even hit you and end up standing around doing nothing more then missing their shots while getting wrecked by mg's while not even having to go down to get more ammo.
Scrider also has (or had) some bad attack range where if you stood slightly to the side of his melee attack he'd spam fireballs that would always miss, much like zombie queen II spamming her kick doing the same thing. Only job of the rest is to keep the person standing near the boss from dying by gunfire.
LMAO, who said it was easy?
some people were doing it in 3~4 minutes, only a few people could finish it within one minute and that's cause they have high "pve".
1st you need a good team (Which u barely find)
2nd you need good pve (Which depends on your luck)
3rd you need a good rider (Well that's not very hard tbh)
4th rest in peace.
just bring it back tho, maybe make the highest pve 58 instead of 70.
Quest is shit now, bring it back much fun.
Thanks for the replies so far.
We will bring it back, we just want to adjust it and fix its attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zabu
Can someone tell me what "Scrider" is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WG9CAgClEgQuote:
Originally Posted by Historia
Well, as i said only 8~9 players were good enough for it, and the rest got the fk carriedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave
What the heck. That was available in FGUNZ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
Never knew..
Agreed, the pve is much too high. Just play a page with a gun from shop and a pve 60 gun. With guns from shop u will hardly beat Scrider, because the soldiers spawns too fast to kill them with those guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zabu
Next which had to be fixed r the xp for the quests, totally outbalanced, depend them to hp of boss and the school quest spamming will end.
Few bosses/cq's drop no item at all, like palmpow commander, zombie queen II, act 5-8, ...
would love have that snowmen quest.. is it possible if it's in v8
I don't get what all of this complication is about. It's not necessary to change pve... You just need to allow Scrider to have an attack that can kill a person in 1 hit if they are on his head. Also for the people that lure Scrider (which is also considered riding), you need the Scrider to have attacks that make it much more difficult, resulting in people alternating the position of luring in one round of Scrider. If you can get through a boss with just one person luring the entire round, it doesn't take long for the other 3 teammates to finish him off.
Whatever is thing but i think we should have scrider :3 and please keep pouch also
Please guys keep scrider pouch it help us in Act 4 :P
-You should change scrider's attacks. The other attacks didn't damage anyone.
-Don't change Scrider's HP,its HP is fine.
I'll be retooling him with a different set of moves and logic. Also giving him something special no other bosses have had, in terms of something he will be able to do. Not sure if it will be in time for V8, but he should be more fun than previous bosses.
A question, are you going to change the EXP of the Scrider or not?
It was not easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
When someone has a high ping it can also reach 3 minutes of round
Not everyone knew how to ride the scrider properly and those who did have to practice it for a long time.
I do not think changing the attacks of the scrider is the correct way to fix it. The scrider attacks and the way we ride it is what made it fun
In addition I do not think it's fair to remove the pve of people who already have a high pve (we all know how hard it is to get legendary weapons)
Yes in my opinion the best way is to cost a bit of the life of the scrider
(And of course do not overdo it and make it one million exp in 3 minutes)
My suggestion is to just make the Exp of Scrider Low. Cuz if u complete every round within 1 minute it gives 1.2M exp and with cat in hat it gave 1.8M. Dont Delete the pve weapons Cuz i know how impossible it was to get that gun. You can get legendary gun in act4 easily but getting legendary in act9 was damn hard . I waited like 6 months playing everyday 7-8 hours but still i was not using a good pve. I got at last but i was the only one i saw getting a legendary weapon in last 7-8months in act9. So getting v11 legendary was harder den getting an LB. And now if u give us the same Exp then with everyday bonus xp people 99 easily in a day.
You right about the pve.Quote:
Originally Posted by DairyMilk
just make it less exp per round or more hp to scrider and its will be a bit more time
pls don't destroy the exp of this quest, i disagree with that, their conclusions that they need to make the attacks more effective is enough imo, it'll be even harder now to finish scrider and i find that fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Jan
Less exp to roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Tenax
Less life for a boss can be fine
Also 800K in minute is this beautiful amount.
In addition, the active point adds a great deal of the amount of exp you get that will already reach an unreasonable amount of exp.
fix the option of riding the boss. i know its kind of difficult since it existed since ijji but you dont see in other games people standing on top of the boss in order to stop him from moving completely do you?
a solution would be to just spawn him immediately after the round starts or make his hitbox not an actual standing platform but only for shooting, if that makes sense. not sure how possible that might be tho.
i believe you should integrate more things into the battle other than an empty room with a boss, 4 walls and a ceiling, add more depth to it and actual strategy which isnt, run from the boss in circles around the map, shoot it.
many people above me have said things about his ability to aim properly and move but since i have very little first-hand experience with that ill just leave it at that.
gunz is a game well known for its difficulty. lets not make quests look like the game is easy, you do die in raids/dungeons/boss fights in other games, maybe introduce a respawn system. who knows. we don't want a quest that gives a ****ton of experience for 0 efforts. and im sure you can find countless ways to make the boss much harder (ground wipe attack (that deals damage to everyone who for example, are on the floor, or just generally everyone), speed attacks, bleed, poison, slow down effects, nausea, a ton of hp)...
in my probably personal opinion, quests shouldnt be the server's main way to farm experience. PVE fights are not supposed to be the main exp source in a highly concentrated PVP game. keep the exp the same, but add difficulty.
This ^Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
hate to agree with this guy
I do not know what you're talking about, talking here about the scrider we would not stand on his head and shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
The thing you're talking about is in other quests.
As for the boss and 4 walls also this is not true, during the round were the npc that also harassed and raised the difficulty.
Add that for starters or lower the first spawn timer by at least half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
Side note: Just buff each question on either dmg, hp or reaction pathing (probably set to 1, could be set to 4 or 5 to make it slightly harder).
Scrider will be a major pain in the ass once I get done with him.
Taking a small excerpt from skype.
Silent - Today 5:56 AM
> McSic Fgunz - Today 3:26 AM
> Dave – Today 01:26
> so like the size balls has to be bigger then
:k
Scriders balls will be huge
About this size right?Quote:
Originally Posted by S1lent
:/removed
Well that didn't take long. On top of that I added a special sauce for him in the code. So he can aim again now and hes got a little something else ill let you all find out when you fight him.
As wearer of the ijji scrider set i present to you, Scrider...with a brain.
http://i.imgur.com/xOZ7Ruf.jpg
Any plans on trimming the fat on v8s xml? There's so many f.ugly items and clothes that are just poor reskins in v7.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwin