Remakes/remasters of older maps

Out of curiosity, are people interested in remakes/remasters of old custom maps?
Despite most custom maps seeing little (to in some cases no) play/usage i was wondering if a little visual and behind the scenes touch-ups to those old and forgotten maps would be appreciated and even wanted in the first place or if everyone rather keep them as is for memories sake.

What i personally would do is keeping the maps in tact (as in layout and design), porting them from radiant/gzmap to 3ds max which would allow for fixing and better collision in general, improved lighting and some more polygons in various places so that things arent entirely blocky, some texture improvements where warranted.
In an upcoming update fgunz will also introduce some new features/mechanics which could be implemented in these older maps.

The reason why i bring this up is because a while ago i was looking back and through the old maps that were popular back in the day getting nostalgic and seeing the potential in them and wanting to give them some polish around some clunky places.
I have done remakes/remasters in the past before which are present in fgunz for asylum, darker, vice and technically speaking scoutzknives (it wasnt my map originally but i took it over) and most recently the x minecraft map, for sake of reference for what to possibly expect for a remake or touch-up.

If the community wants this the question would be which maps people want to have "updated" and or improved upon the most and how faithful it should be.
This isnt a promise necessarily but more of a gauge of interest though i probably would at least do 1 request depending on the feedback.

I believe you also did Canal Town. Anyhow would be interesting to also see remakes of Attack-Defense (recently re-added and could use better light placement), and perhaps for old removed maps i.e. TheBuilding from a suggestion thread. Though not going to lie Nexus-Base could use some assets to the map that aren't in a room.

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Originally Posted by justRelax

I believe you also did Canal Town. Anyhow would be interesting to also see remakes of Attack-Defense (recently re-added and could use better light placement), and perhaps for old removed maps i.e. TheBuilding from a suggestion thread. Though not going to lie Nexus-Base could use some assets to the map that aren't in a room.

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Canal Town is my map, i didnt list it cause its not a remake, ironically the building is also my map though one of my earlier maps and i recently did a collision fix for the office and fixed the desk lamp's light but i actually dont know if either fixes were implemented.

Actually one of the things that bother me most about maps is the fact that I cant enjoy how good some of them look with lightmap on simply because it can be a dark pit of nothingness on skme of them with it on, forcing me to take it off if I want to compete with other players. 3 examples that immediately pop to my mind are Attack and defense, Darker, and Arena.

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

Canal Town is my map, i didnt list it cause its not a remake, ironically the building is also my map though one of my earlier maps and i recently did a collision fix for the office and fixed the desk lamp's light but i actually dont know if either fixes were implemented.

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Well I checked but I don't see the Desk Lamp's light in TheOffice, but the PC on the desk could also emit some light (low luminosity and perhaps update to a latest image on fgunz.net website since it still has old activity point rewards [no AP shield])

ur work will always be appreciated :o.o

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Actually one of the things that bother me most about maps is the fact that I cant enjoy how good some of them look with lightmap on simply because it can be a dark pit of nothingness on skme of them with it on, forcing me to take it off if I want to compete with other players. 3 examples that immediately pop to my mind are Attack and defense, Darker, and Arena.

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Darker kinda thematically "needs" to be well .. dark but i could increase the strength of the fake global illumination to soften the black areas.
Arena i dont quite get since i made it honestly relatively bright? just like with darker i could bump the global illumination anyways i suppose.
Attack-Defense is one example of gzmap/fsrad (fsrad being the program generating the lightmap) black areas jank that could be fixed.

A thing to keep in mind is that monitor brightness, contrast and gamma (as well as color accuracy) can affect how dark something appears so while it may seem too dark to one person it might not appear too dark to others due to monitor and settings difference.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Actually one of the things that bother me most about maps is the fact that I cant enjoy how good some of them look with lightmap on simply because it can be a dark pit of nothingness on skme of them with it on, forcing me to take it off if I want to compete with other players. 3 examples that immediately pop to my mind are Attack and defense, Darker, and Arena.

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Sounds like this is mainly on your end en settings (minus Attack and Defense).

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

Canal Town is my map, i didnt list it cause its not a remake, ironically the building is also my map though one of my earlier maps and i recently did a collision fix for the office and fixed the desk lamp's light but i actually dont know if either fixes were implemented.

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So far I know this has not been added into the game.

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

Darker kinda thematically "needs" to be well .. dark but i could increase the strength of the fake global illumination to soften the black areas.
Arena i dont quite get since i made it honestly relatively bright? just like with darker i could bump the global illumination anyways i suppose.
Attack-Defense is one example of gzmap/fsrad (fsrad being the program generating the lightmap) black areas jank that could be fixed.

A thing to keep in mind is that monitor brightness, contrast and gamma (as well as color accuracy) can affect how dark something appears so while it may seem too dark to one person it might not appear too dark to others due to monitor and settings difference.

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This was mostly my meaning with Arena. Hanging inside the map lol
https://i.imgur.com/CpoSKQa.jpeg

Darker:
https://i.imgur.com/aff0Vj1.jpeg

I mean what good is that little lamp over in the corner?

There are a few other maps that I can check a bit later on, but to answer your original post for maps to not just change the lightmap of but to possibly do other things, I can think of some of the older maps like Castle, which is super blocky (but not in the castle bricks way, but the fact that its actually made out of boxes), and if you want the most amount of people to appreciate your work rather than working on maps people aren't currently playing whatsoever, you can definitely go with maps like town and battle arena.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Sounds like this is mainly on your end en settings (minus Attack and Defense).

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Sure, but how far do i gotta crank up my brightness and play with other settings that decrease screen life expectancy (and eye health like blue light) when I play at night, and go into a stairway room with the lightmap enabled only to be blinded?

It's not necessarily the fact that there is no lighting in some maps. Its more so of the contrast between bright and darker maps. If I gotta squint my eyes lest they burn in bright maps and do the opposite squint to figure out whats happening in the darker maps, then might aswell have that option off

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Originally Posted by Bunny

This was mostly my meaning with Arena. Hanging inside the map lol
https://i.imgur.com/CpoSKQa.jpeg

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My man, you are hanging around the height ceiling i put on the map, thats "not" the intended playable area, if thats your issue i can move the fade further up i guess.
Dont think this really counts for trying to appreciate the map when hanging somewhere below a ceiling though lol.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Darker:
https://i.imgur.com/aff0Vj1.jpeg


I mean what good is that little lamp over in the corner?

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That is in fact too dark, i dont remember it being this dark, i should adjust that.
Also the ingame brightness slider is seemingly broken?, it does literally nothing when i change it lol

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Originally Posted by Bunny

There are a few other maps that I can check a bit later on, but to answer your original post for maps to not just change the lightmap of but to possibly do other things, I can think of some of the older maps like Castle, which is super blocky (but not in the castle bricks way, but the fact that its actually made out of boxes), and if you want the most amount of people to appreciate your work rather than working on maps people aren't currently playing whatsoever, you can definitely go with maps like town and battle arena.

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I feel actually messing with the original maiet maps would be too much and probably disliked by many people.
Cant desecrate these ancient holy artifacts or something like that.


Using attack-defense as an example here is what a lightmap touch-up could look like (this is very quick and dirty) using the original light information.
You can see the lighting being a little smoother as well as places without lights not being pitch black.
https://i.vgy.me/4lS0Jf.png

Excuse the bump/double post (though at least a day passed since), the consensus seems to be in favor of some graphical and/or mechanical (buggy/bad collision and/or upcoming features) touch-ups of older custom maps.
The question remains which custom maps the community would like to have touched-up however, arena and darker were pointed out and i can (and will) easily adjust them since they are a map and remake made by me already.
Maps made by other people are (obviously) not out of the question they just take more time and effort on my end to adjust/port them.

Attack-defense was also mentioned and since i did a quick and dirty lightmap improvement preview as an example i had some of the work already done for/on it so im currently working on properly porting that map.
(plukes credit as the creator will remain since thats important to me and also was to pluke back in the day to not steal (claim) his work)

Please bring back the speedboost you get in X Minecraft (before the remake) after hopping out of the water and onto the middle bridge with glass floor.

i don’t know if this is OT but is there anyway to bring back some old custom maps ? cant remember exactly if they were yours but there were a few older fantasy-like maps that id like to see reintroduced with an update to their lighting if possible. one one inspired by LOTR i think with a big dungeon and bridge(?) but i cant remember it was so long ago; may have started with letter M..

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Originally Posted by Amamin

Please bring back the speedboost you get in X Minecraft (before the remake) after hopping out of the water and onto the middle bridge with glass floor.

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Oh we forgot to adjust the (map) remake after mcsic improved the code for the speed and jump pads and they work slightly differently now than they did before so the effects are currently not active, will be fixed - our bad.

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Originally Posted by SunRui

i don’t know if this is OT but is there anyway to bring back some old custom maps ? cant remember exactly if they were yours but there were a few older fantasy-like maps that id like to see reintroduced with an update to their lighting if possible. one one inspired by LOTR i think with a big dungeon and bridge(?) but i cant remember it was so long ago; may have started with letter M..

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That is sorta OT since im mostly talking about maps that are currently used in the client, if you want other older maps you "will" have to make case for it to mcsic/dave to bring back older stuff.
While i kinda could just do it anyways and "force" them onto them there is still a small chance they wouldnt consider it.
Anyhow, there is a decent repository of all kinds of custom maps (though not every map in existence) over on the gunz github by whywolfie if you want to look through older maps (a cursory glance over the depository there doesnt seem to be a map like that but i sort of remember which map you are talking about).

You can use worldedit to open and preview the maps (open the .rs file with worldedit or drag&drop it into worldedit, might need to reset the camera (camera button) and turn the camera to see the maps.
(camera controls: hold leftclick drag = pan, hold alt+leftclick drag = rotate, mousewheel = zoom | in some cases the lightmaps are too dark and you cant see the map or when worldedit crashes on opening a map deleting the .lm file of the map before opening the map with worldedit will make it easier to see and load the map properly)

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

Excuse the bump/double post (though at least a day passed since), the consensus seems to be in favor of some graphical and/or mechanical (buggy/bad collision and/or upcoming features) touch-ups of older custom maps.
The question remains which custom maps the community would like to have touched-up however, arena and darker were pointed out and i can (and will) easily adjust them since they are a map and remake made by me already.
Maps made by other people are (obviously) not out of the question they just take more time and effort on my end to adjust/port them.

Attack-defense was also mentioned and since i did a quick and dirty lightmap improvement preview as an example i had some of the work already done for/on it so im currently working on properly porting that map.
(plukes credit as the creator will remain since thats important to me and also was to pluke back in the day to not steal (claim) his work)

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Also wanted to add on since Lightmap was brought up (also suggested here forgot to link), one map that could really use a touch up is SnowChild especially when you are in the Catacomb, if you have LightMap enabled you cannot see anything and this is much the case if you are playing in Infected mode, to even see in the Catacombs of SnowChild you have to turn off LightMap.

Though, Nagrand_Underground could use a touchup since it is kind of dark in the passageways that you may need to turn off LightMap in normal mode to see where you are going. (I use default video settings)

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Originally Posted by justRelax

Also wanted to add on since Lightmap was brought up (also suggested here forgot to link), one map that could really use a touch up is SnowChild especially when you are in the Catacomb, if you have LightMap enabled you cannot see anything and this is much the case if you are playing in Infected mode, to even see in the Catacombs of SnowChild you have to turn off LightMap.

Though, Nagrand_Underground could use a touchup since it is kind of dark in the passageways that you may need to turn off LightMap in normal mode to see where you are going. (I use default video settings)

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You would be surprised about snow child lol..
Did start working on a remake 5 years ago before i kinda got creatively burned out on making gunz stuff, its not finished but the remake gotten pretty close to finished.

Anyhow, ive been working on things and finished the port of attack-defense (its 1:1, no beautification besides texture mapping adjustments and (very) minor spacing changes) and im currently going to be working on darker, its one of my oldest maps/remakes so im bothered/annoyed by how i went about things so it takes a little more than just adjusting the lights.
After that ill adjust arena a little (though i really think its fine for the most part) and after that ill pick snow child back up again i think and then see where im going from there.

Extend Canal Town to the clock tower - this would be fantastic :)

Been a while, i havent forgotten about this project though, my progress was slower than i wanted for personal reasons but it is what it is.

Darker had a minor redesign and is no longer .. well dark and attack-defense and arena are brighter as well.
Here are some comparison pictures as well as a few pictures of the snow child remake.
(because of some weird reason i cant upload the pictures to my usual image host so googledrive it is ..)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...HyMU6APsOT6drb

Also gave island temple a specific small update/bug fix which ate a little bit of my time.

I plan on giving this batch (arena, attack-defense, darker, island temple, snow child) to MC once i finish snow child for the next update, after that ill probably look at nagrand-underground, do a proper port for the office (and/or my the building).