V8 balancing

With V8 getting closer i wanted to open a thread just to get some comments on what players might like to see or think would be interesting. Ill make note of a couple important factors that you will have to take into consideration.

Imagine that the IA tag is gone, but you can pick up ammo if you kill someone.

Also we have the ability to make individual weapons with an instant reload without using the R tag.

We the staff already have an idea of what we want to do. But id still like to hear other ideas.

Update:

"To those that jumped straight onto the "change is bad" bandwagon.

There are some exceptions.

IA will be allowed for infection, training rooms and ET's will be able to make events with it.

Ammo drop would be off by default but as an option to turn on. That means it would be off for clan wars.
(That was always the plan)

That's why i gave you one scenario, to hear potential ideas about that scenario and what you think would be fun with the weapons in said scenario. Not to discuss what game types should or should not have the tags/options, you never had a say in that matter."

Update 2...lol

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Originally Posted by S1lent

Before i worked on those extra features i worked on "fixing" the anti lead. I already know the reasons shots wouldnt register in certain cases. Also i made modifications that allowed us to re-enable the cross hair pick. Then i worked on the other little things. I dont share all the details of what ive done in the vip thread, just a broad overview.

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Will the IA label go away? If you kill someone, will they give you bullets for killing? What would it be like?

that pick up ammo shit sounds gay as ****.
same with weapons that are already [r], dont turn this to a gay game.

just
fix the
anti lead
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get
rid
of the hackers
and ur good to go.

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Originally Posted by Zaku

Will the IA label go away? If you kill someone, will they give you bullets for killing? What would it be like?

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Sounds good, pretty much like the beserk game mode where you get hp back.

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Originally Posted by Skull

that pick up ammo shit sounds gay as ****.
same with weapons that are already [r], dont turn this to a gay game.

just
fix the
anti lead
and
get
rid
of the hackers
and ur good to go.

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Narrow minded, stay stuck in the past.
These guys are actually try to solve a problem a lot of people have been complaining about (removing tags won't solve it cause another bunch would complain).

Would the instant reload be something like picking up a reload spawn (like ammo, hp, ap spawns)?

are donor sgs being changed at all

and i agree with skull fix the anti lead before doin all this rofl you guys are spendin all this time on all this stuff that isnt exactly important when theres bigger issues that need looking at tbh the anti lead has never been great on this server compared to other ones its about time you guys stepped it up tbh and i would like to see you guys to add the xhair pick again but i already know that aint gonna happen but yeah

WOW nice man

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Originally Posted by S1lent

With V8 getting closer i wanted to open a thread just to get some comments on what players might like to see or think would be interesting. Ill make note of a couple important factors that you will have to take into consideration.

Imagine that the IA tag is gone, but you can pick up ammo if you kill someone.

Also we have the ability to make individual weapons with an instant reload without using the R tag.

We the staff already have an idea of what we want to do. But id still like to hear other ideas.

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We the staff already have an idea of what we want to do.
i'd like to hear what u staff want to do xd
that ia its gay...

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Originally Posted by Flora

are donor sgs being changed at all

and i agree with skull fix the anti lead before doin all this rofl you guys are spendin all this time on all this stuff that isnt exactly important when theres bigger issues that need looking at tbh the anti lead has never been great on this server compared to other ones its about time you guys stepped it up tbh and i would like to see you guys to add the xhair pick again but i already know that aint gonna happen but yeah

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But wait, with these nice new more unique features we are different from the rest, maybe that will give you a think process.

Add new maps as Skillmap 5 until 40, if there many maps please add.

So pass the maps and more fun would be. :3

I don't like any of the tags, save the Vanilla tag and Roll the Dice, but that they're optional makes them not a problem for me. If you guys were going to create an instant reload weapon, hopefully they will either not be usable in standard play or have a significant drawback because this otherwise brings [R] to other games where people really don't like instant reload and infinite ammo. Besides working on the anti-lead, which I think you guys probably know to take a look at with people always bringing it up, I'd really like to see options for customizing the display: adjusting where the damage and FPS are displayed, adjusting the size of what's displayed, like text, those things. I play on 1600x1200, and that's not a problem for seeing information everyone else can see on screen in other servers, but it is here, and I'd love to see that fixed so that I don't have to keep pressing tab.

Just saying, infected mode and gun game sometime will be hell without IA
Can't you just add a new room tag and not removing the IA?

I like the post above me that says to add more skillmaps if possible (even tho i understand the complications that come with it)

When the vip tests server still had a few people in it, there was a whole other variation of weapons to play by, and shotguns were quite abit dofferent from before. Is this going to affect donor sgs too?

V8 in 2017? New joke hehe.

Games like infected needs ia and r so can you make it only available for some game modes that needs it and disable for game modes like tdm.

Just like quest hehe. You can't use any tags

I'm not a hater like many of the other people, but I think you're about to change the game way too much. Only newgen players will like the game. We, old GunZ players, like it simple and oldschool. The game will be slowly ruined when adding to many stupid features. I like the motivation of the staff, though.

Fix the issues with the anti-lead, add new items, no more tags and gameplays, I dont think IA is a major thing for v8 (it can be updated later).
The first thing for me for v8 being successful is the anti-lead issues and then everything else.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

But wait, with these nice new more unique features we are different from the rest, maybe that will give you a think process.

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Steph if I had to choose between a better anti-lead and ammo spawns or blood effect I would take anti-lead any day tbh. I know these features will make the server unique and we all like them but without a great anti-lead this server will fail.

I hope v8 will come soon so I can play again e.e keep up the great work guys.

About the Pioneer SG , will it be remove to item shop and become a donator shotgun?
I think most of the players only need a good anti-lead server. Also please have an eye to those unlegit people :

even though i dont play this game ( only sometimes ) i think it would be nice that a training room gets a 0 dmg on all weapons or a tag to use so people wont die / get killed back in the day training rooms were for practicing / chilling now everyone just starts killing like they get exp

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Originally Posted by StephanM

But wait, with these nice new more unique features we are different from the rest, maybe that will give you a think process.

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yh your right it may make the server different from the rest but you wanna know what else makes fg different from the rest ? the fact its anti lead is the worst one out of all the servers goin rn which i know isnt many but still if you really wanna do well and bring players here all these stupid ass blood effects and ammo drops and noises when you block and shit aint gonna bring em better anti lead is what this server needs and what will bring players you guys have never got it right since v7 has been released and i honestly dont think you ever will but you could atleast try i mean im playin vs people same with sunfire and half of our shots dont even do damage anymore like wtf is this anti lead foreal so you should focus on the big stuff before focusing on stuff that doesnt matter at all if you really wanna bring players in anyway

also i would like to see the server actually feel smooth and not oced like a m0ther fker that would also be great

so heres what we need ok

-good anti lead coz this 1 is wank af and always has been
-smooth server no more oc sirs coz it soks dik
- xhair picks re added coz why not stop bein pussys

ok now do these 3 things and you might save the server if not it will be dead this time next year

is there will be new donator items and VIP items? and will u get back the old event items?

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Originally Posted by Complaint

Just saying, infected mode and gun game sometime will be hell without IA
Can't you just add a new room tag and not removing the IA?

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Actually!!

I think that the [R] tag is still fine but remove the [IA] tag.
So people have to decide if they are gonna spam and lose all their ammo or actually aim.
And let the ammo spawns faster if you remove the IA tag '-'

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Originally Posted by Flora

yh your right it may make the server different from the rest but you wanna know what else makes fg different from the rest ? the fact its anti lead is the worst one out of all the servers goin rn which i know isnt many but still if you really wanna do well and bring players here all these stupid ass blood effects and ammo drops and noises when you block and shit aint gonna bring em better anti lead is what this server needs and what will bring players you guys have never got it right since v7 has been released and i honestly dont think you ever will but you could atleast try i mean im playin vs people same with sunfire and half of our shots dont even do damage anymore like wtf is this anti lead foreal so you should focus on the big stuff before focusing on stuff that doesnt matter at all if you really wanna bring players in anyway

also i would like to see the server actually feel smooth and not oced like a m0ther fker that would also be great

so heres what we need ok

-good anti lead coz this 1 is wank af and always has been
-smooth server no more oc sirs coz it soks dik
- xhair picks re added coz why not stop bein pussys

ok now do these 3 things and you might save the server if not it will be dead this time next year

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git gud scrub

p.s. idk about this ia tag refining but it sounds ok i guess dont really care for game tags but in general sounds innovative and I dont mind a change..

oh yh hope this drop ammo thing after people die isn't for all rooms without tags also cause in general I prefer the oldschool classic vannila gunz, hope this aint just in general for all rooms which would pretty much either have a 50% success rate either a hit with everyone or not..

your choice though

revert donor hotshot to original

bring back donor fire grenade

let pepperoni back

>Improve anti-lead
>The ammo drops make up for the [IA] and [R] in my opinions, tbh. Is it possible to make that a tag? (For the sake of the "oldgens")
>Every other tag (Besides [SGO] and [SNO]) is pretty much is never used, so I guess leave them be or remove it?
>Other than that I dont know what we could probably ask for. Our GMs doing what they can with hackers, but there is always a way to bypass it seems.


GUYS. Have you forgotten that the tags are optional? If there are so many of you who demand "oldschool" TDMs then create it yourself. So many people have been saying this for years. Or is your ego too high to take someone else's suggestion into account?

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Originally Posted by Prone

>Improve anti-lead
>The ammo drops make up for the [IA] and [R] in my opinions, tbh. Is it possible to make that a tag? (For the sake of the "oldgens")
>Every other tag (Besides [SGO] and [SNO]) is pretty much is never used, so I guess leave them be or remove it?
>Other than that I dont know what we could probably ask for. Our GMs doing what they can with hackers, but there is always a way to bypass it seems.


GUYS. Have you forgotten that the tags are optional? If there are so many of you who demand "oldschool" TDMs then create it yourself. So many people have been saying this for years. Or is your ego too high to take someone else's suggestion into account?

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most tags are used in events where they are NECESSARY for the event, not to mention a big part of those isnt even available to us unfortunately, yet removing those would seem to force us into a certain type of gameplay which some do not like. there are plenty of examples but ill leave that to your imagination

the problem that occurs here is that even if they do make a room without the OPTIONAL tags, nobody will join them, as there are already rooms with the optional tags and most people prefer those, as the oldgens arent the majority.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

most tags are used in events where they are NECESSARY for the event, not to mention a big part of those isnt even available to us unfortunately, yet removing those would seem to force us into a certain type of gameplay which some do not like. there are plenty of examples but ill leave that to your imagination

the problem that occurs here is that even if they do make a room without the OPTIONAL tags, nobody will join them, as there are already rooms with the optional tags and most people prefer those, as the oldgens arent the majority.

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Right right I forgot about events My B my B. The majority choose the ones with [IA] and [R] (Including myself). They should be grateful that theres no tags in CW lol.

Could we keep the ammo drops out of clanwar?

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Originally Posted by Notorious

Could we keep the ammo drops out of clanwar?

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That's almost like asking to keep coke from the streets, not doable.

i hope theyll put the ammo drops as either a tag or an option of some sort. im not sure people who play without [ia] or [r] at the moment would appreciate such a major change to their playstyle

Removing R IA Tags Is a NO GO!! WTF MAN this game going the wrong direction! instead of adding more Tags u Removing why tho?
If those tags removed I guess lot of players wont be happy as I am its not enof that the non donor non event sgs have shitty Delay? 0.o I would fix that and code new 900 delay sgs for high lvl players it doesn't need to be high damage tho.. keep things in perspective.

To those that jumped straight onto the "change is bad" bandwagon.

There are some exceptions.

IA will be allowed for infection, training rooms and ET's will be able to make events with it.

Ammo drop would be off by default but as an option to turn on. That means it would be off for clan wars.
(That was always the plan)

That's why i gave you one scenario, to hear potential ideas about that scenario and what you think would be fun with the weapons in said scenario. Not to discuss what game types should or should not have the tags/options, you never had a say in that matter.

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Originally Posted by S1lent

To those that jumped straight onto the "change is bad" bandwagon.

There are some exceptions.

IA will be allowed for infection, training rooms and ET's will be able to make events with it.

Ammo drop would be off by default but as an option to turn on. That means it would be off for clan wars.
(That was always the plan)

That's why i gave you one scenario, to hear potential ideas about that scenario and what you think would be fun with the weapons in said scenario. Not to discuss what game types should or should not have the tags/options, you never had a say in that matter.

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no1 gives a fk about these changes fix the anti lead and make the server abit smoother not oced like its always been and you got a good server its really not that hard to understand your makin all these pointless things that we really do not need at all instead of focusing on the major issues thats why this server will be gone by next year and why uv dropped below 200 players recently because you dont fix the issues that need to be fixed the time you put into all this stupid shit like blood effects and these stupid af tags and all this bs could of been put to good use on the anti lead but no you choose to add more stuff that we dont need well good luck rofl

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Originally Posted by Flora

no1 gives a fk about these changes fix the anti lead and make the server abit smoother not oced like its always been and you got a good server its really not that hard to understand your makin all these pointless things that we really do not need at all instead of focusing on the major issues thats why this server will be gone by next year and why uv dropped below 200 players recently because you dont fix the issues that need to be fixed the time you put into all this stupid shit like blood effects and these stupid af tags and all this bs could of been put to good use on the anti lead but no you choose to add more stuff that we dont need well good luck rofl

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Like the coders would listen to people like you who respond this way to their efforts.

Bring back the old act 9 (scrider) :o.o

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Like the coders would listen to people like you who respond this way to their efforts.

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well people have tried the nice approach doesnt seem to work so id rather say it how it is rather than pussy foot around it i dont think any of these are good ideas that are needed there just a waste of time would u rather me lie and suck up to the coders and say omg its such a good idea omg i love all these new things your adding o wow amazing nah id rather not mate you can say what you want everyone would agree with me the servers anti lead needs work and always has not all this bs and the fact this server is oced is retarded so yeah i think these things take priority over ammo drops and annoying af sounds and stupid ass blood effects and you wonder why the player count is dropping its coz of people like u rofl

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Originally Posted by S1lent

To those that jumped straight onto the "change is bad" bandwagon.

There are some exceptions.

IA will be allowed for infection, training rooms and ET's will be able to make events with it.

Ammo drop would be off by default but as an option to turn on. That means it would be off for clan wars.
(That was always the plan)

That's why i gave you one scenario, to hear potential ideas about that scenario and what you think would be fun with the weapons in said scenario. Not to discuss what game types should or should not have the tags/options, you never had a say in that matter.

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sounds good I guess,

and daz stfu you suck dude

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Like the coders would listen to people like you who respond this way to their efforts.

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Not everyone will have the same opinion or express it in a different way.

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Originally Posted by S1lent

To those that jumped straight onto the "change is bad" bandwagon.

There are some exceptions.

IA will be allowed for infection, training rooms and ET's will be able to make events with it.

Ammo drop would be off by default but as an option to turn on. That means it would be off for clan wars.
(That was always the plan)

That's why i gave you one scenario, to hear potential ideas about that scenario and what you think would be fun with the weapons in said scenario. Not to discuss what game types should or should not have the tags/options, you never had a say in that matter.

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No one is anti-change. No one in this thread has stated that change is bad. GunZ has been steadily declining in popularity for almost a decade now. Change is DESPERATELY NEEDED. However, when one opens a thread discussing the next big update and nothing fruitful is mentioned, people are naturally going to be upset.

You're presented with the problem of a declining player base. GunZ has had a steadily declining player base for almost a decade now. You need to ask only two questions: WHY IS THIS OCCURRING? and WHAT CHANGES CAN WE MAKE TO FIX IT? Address this question before you discuss anything else.

Each GunZ server is filled with hackers. This server in particular has an extreme hacker problem--whether or not the administrators or developers are willing to acknowledge it. Every month, more hackers and otherwise toxic individuals are unbanned. Why is this?

Changes to public rooms are well and good, and naturally, they are welcome. However, they're not important. They're not vital in ensuring this server is still around a year from now. GunZ is a competitive game, and the clan war and duel tournament modes will always be the driving forces. They are the navigators.

Why are you wasting time with changes to public rooms? I understand that you're probably one of those who get on to socialize in training and infections rooms or play events, but that is not the reason why this server is still around. With that said, if you continue to focus only on those things, they will be the reason why this server dies like those others in the past.

I like the direction things are going, you have my full support.

I think it suits this servers demands perfectly and any one who disagrees or who is unhappy with the anti-lead issue should resolve their issues by learning about how things operate, and, maybe instead of whining be part of the solution they want to see.

I get that they are players and not the developers, but, whining is a lot different then providing means, examples, or ideas on HOW to fix a supposed problem.

The competitive side's ego is so large that they feel they are the entire FG population, when they represent only a small minority, or just **** around you feel me lol

I don't take it that the devs would be discouraged, but, I don't want how their ideas were met to be disheartening.

Hire Enhance as GMs so they can bring people to the server

Who is with me?

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Originally Posted by EASTVAN

I like the direction things are going, you have my full support.

I think it suits this servers demands perfectly and any one who disagrees or who is unhappy with the anti-lead issue should resolve their issues by learning about how things operate, and, maybe instead of whining be part of the solution they want to see.

I get that they are players and not the developers, but, whining is a lot different then providing means, examples, or ideas on HOW to fix a supposed problem.

The competitive side's ego is so large that they feel they are the entire FG population, when they represent only a small minority, or just **** around you feel me lol

I don't take it that the devs would be discouraged, but, I don't want how their ideas were met to be disheartening.

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None of what you said is a proper argument.

There have been plenty of servers over the years where the focus was on silly, maybe even challenging, arcade game modes, yet they are no longer around. The only remaining servers exist because of their competitive modes (one of which is relatively thriving while the other two, this one included, are slowly dying out).
No one is arguing against arcade game modes, but it cannot be the primary focus. To me, this thread signals that the development is being geared towards more silly maps and useless gameplay features.
There have been servers in the past with more features than this one, but they are no longer around. Please tell me why you think this is.
Above all, it is not disheartening. It is disconcerting, because it makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Skull

Not everyone will have the same opinion or express it in a different way.

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True but if you can only shit talk about someones works.. I mean better say nothing in that case right? (since shit talking is not the same as criticism)



As for that "fix the anti-lead", why not post evidence to point out where it is wrong so the codes would have an easier time to have a look at it if it such a problem ;) @ Flora and others that shit talk the coders ;).

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Originally Posted by SlashShotRS

None of what you said is a proper argument.

There have been plenty of servers over the years where the focus was on silly, maybe even challenging, arcade game modes, yet they are no longer around. The only remaining servers exist because of their competitive modes (one of which is relatively thriving while the other two, this one included, are slowly dying out).
No one is arguing against arcade game modes, but it cannot be the primary focus. To me, this thread signals that the development is being geared towards more silly maps and useless gameplay features.
There have been servers in the past with more features than this one, but they are no longer around. Please tell me why you think this is.
Above all, it is not disheartening. It is disconcerting, because it makes no sense.

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That's like, your opinion man

Anyway, I don't really know of any servers that followed that supposed paradigm, seems more so like something you created to give your argument a backbone.
FG is a dedicated community, like I said, the competitive player base is small, yet, I will admit they have a proportionally important voice.
I would be willing to bet a good majority play casually as well, so while improving both aspects of the game are nice, to discredit or put off one aspect because you don't appreciate its merit is not constructive.

What is 'wrong' with the anti-lead?
Like I said, if YOU want a solution, YOU figure it out.
The developers aren't here to be a slave to your desires, though they do take them into account, but, when you troll or get upset it just shows ignorance and that you are being unappreciative.

Not many people have the free time needed to develop games, let alone a game that returns little, if any, profit for them.
You won't even take the time to research how protocols or network communications work for your own issues, yet you expect the developers to be at your beck and call..

I also find nothing wrong with the anti-lead, maybe it's something being exploited between two parties, whereby the responsibility falls on YOU, the player, to determine what that it is and take whichever path it is you feel is just.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

True but if you can only shit talk about someones works.. I mean better say nothing in that case right? (since shit talking is not the same as criticism)



As for that "fix the anti-lead", why not post evidence to point out where it is wrong so the codes would have an easier time to have a look at it if it such a problem ;) @ Flora and others that shit talk the coders ;).

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lol lol lol lol lol your such a joke mate honestly rofl i aint even talkin shit to the coders im tellin em what is needed to be fixed and to not waste time on pointless things because none of this stuff is gonna bring more players to the server if the anti lead is shit no1 will wanna play it rofl most people i know play on another server now due to how dead and how shit the anti lead is here the fact that the player base has dropped by atleast half should be proof enough that the anti lead needs fixing and if u look on the help section or anywhere else on the forum ull see people mention that the anti lead is shit here for example take a look at sunfires problem anti lead is wank i know people say its my aim but iv hit a 10 combo of just shots on people pbs included and they still have had 50-70 hp left and this has happened alot for a long time now so yeah if your gonna sit there n say the anti lead is fine clearly you have no idea what your talkin about and do not need to comment on this thread =]

and as for the fact the server is oced it always has been since i started here and i dont understand why tbh its daft needs changing when i played the gunz factor ( which is now closed so dont cry about advertisement) the server felt smooth alot smoother than here the anti lead was great so i think its about time fgunz sorted there main problems out before adding pointless things you might think im just tryin to be a **** about things but im not im just being honest im sure they would rather have real feedback instead of some bs just to get on there good side rofl

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Originally Posted by StephanM

True but if you can only shit talk about someones works.. I mean better say nothing in that case right? (since shit talking is not the same as criticism)



As for that "fix the anti-lead", why not post evidence to point out where it is wrong so the codes would have an easier time to have a look at it if it such a problem ;) @ Flora and others that shit talk the coders ;).

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We aint here to shit talk anyones work, we are just pointing out more important problems this server has than adding ammo spawns. I've given alot of proof, tried everything players told me, even got McSic saying that is maybe a servers problem.

About the pointing out where the problem is to make the coders work easier, sorry Steph we aint coders. We just playing the server and we are reportingproblems that need to be fixed. Not all of us are coding. I got a serious problem with the server right now and i provided proof, yet non of the coders reply to me. Others have the same problem with me, some of them not as much ofc.

Imo priority is to fix these issues players have and then look to add more features to the server. Better anti-lead will bring players back.

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Originally Posted by Sunfire

We aint here to shit talk anyones work, we are just pointing out more important problems this server has than adding ammo spawns. I've given alot of proof, tried everything players told me, even got McSic saying that is maybe a servers problem.

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To be exact, I did not say it's a server problem. Packet loss between players is a user problem.

This is what I said:
Packet loss indeed. There isn't much we can do about packet loss on the player's side, but we're revamping a couple of things (as you can see in the VIP thread of Silent) to minimize this problem.

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Originally Posted by McSic

To be exact, I said the cause may be packet loss, which is not a server's problem but a player's.

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regardless the anti lead is no good whether his issue is packet loss or the problem is within the server i personally believe its to do with the server since there are alot of people with this same issue including myself lmao but anyway either way the only 2 things that will save this server in my opinion is to fix the anti lead and actually make it good its never been good its about time this server got it right tbh rofl and to make the server smoother stop ocing the server and just make it normal shit would be good af and bring loads of players back if you actually did these 2 things instead of adding pointless things that will not bring people back

and sunfire is right the staff dont care at all that is why the server is as good as dead unless you do sumthing about it now

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Originally Posted by Flora

regardless the anti lead is no good whether his issue is packet loss or the problem is within the server i personally believe its to do with the server since there are alot of people with this same issue including myself lmao but anyway either way the only 2 things that will save this server in my opinion is to fix the anti lead and actually make it good its never been good its about time this server got it right tbh rofl and to make the server smoother stop ocing the server and just make it normal shit would be good af and bring loads of players back if you actually did these 2 things instead of adding pointless things that will not bring people back

and sunfire is right the staff dont care at all that is why the server is as good as dead unless you do sumthing about it now

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Never said staff dont care, I just said they are focusing on irrelevant stuff when there are these more important problems.

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Originally Posted by McSic

To be exact, I did not say it's a server problem. Packet loss between players is a user problem.

This is what I said:
Packet loss indeed. There isn't much we can do about packet loss on the player's side, but we're revamping a couple of things (as you can see in the VIP thread of Silent) to minimize this problem.

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The thing that bothers me is that other players have it too.. It's not just me.. And i tried everything to fix it. I even got a new net, changed the cables and stuff..never had this issue before and never had problems playing other games thats why i said it might be something wrong with the server.. anyways thats not the subject i guess XD.

Before i worked on those extra features i worked on "fixing" the anti lead. I already know the reasons shots wouldnt register in certain cases. Also i made modifications that allowed us to re-enable the cross hair pick. Then i worked on the other little things. I dont share all the details of what ive done in the vip thread, just a broad overview.

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Originally Posted by S1lent

Before i worked on those extra features i worked on "fixing" the anti lead. I already know the reasons shots wouldnt register in certain cases. Also i made modifications that allowed us to re-enable the cross hair pick. Then i worked on the other little things. I dont share all the details of what ive done in the vip thread, just a broad overview.

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well thank you for letting us know that you have done these things thats good to hear and also is there any plans on changing the fact the server is abit more oced than others and the original ? or is that not being changed

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How is it oc'ed? Is this just a feeling? Or do you have recordings or some other way to explain it?

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Originally Posted by S1lent

Before i worked on those extra features i worked on "fixing" the anti lead. I already know the reasons shots wouldnt register in certain cases. Also i made modifications that allowed us to re-enable the cross hair pick. Then i worked on the other little things. I dont share all the details of what ive done in the vip thread, just a broad overview.

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Thats all i wanted to know. I hope these changed will come really soon.

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How is it oc'ed? Is this just a feeling? Or do you have recordings or some other way to explain it?

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its always been oced rofl ask mcsic or dave im sure they would confirm it and ask anyone else the server just feels different to others like i often see people say it feels faster etc its less smooth in my opinion the only way i can explain it is when i played for example gunz fact it felt great it was smooth felt normal like the original server did but then when you came here you felt faster you felt like your not moving at the right speed i cant explain it any other way lol it is a feeling yeah but iv also had people confirm it to i always thought they would change it but they never did so im just curious if you have any plans this time to change it lol

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its always been oced rofl ask mcsic or dave im sure they would confirm

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Can't confirm.

I was about to find this line of code that would make gameplay 10% faster but... there is none.

I actually did just ask him. Lol. That's why he responded.

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I actually did just ask him. Lol. That's why he responded.

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Can't confirm.

I was about to find this line of code that would make gameplay 10% faster but... there is none.

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ermm ok lol

Well i did remove a portion of code which ive had my eye on since i got here that i know caused a large fps fluctuation in a common scenario.

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Originally Posted by EASTVAN

That's like, your opinion man

Anyway, I don't really know of any servers that followed that supposed paradigm, seems more so like something you created to give your argument a backbone.
FG is a dedicated community, like I said, the competitive player base is small, yet, I will admit they have a proportionally important voice.
I would be willing to bet a good majority play casually as well, so while improving both aspects of the game are nice, to discredit or put off one aspect because you don't appreciate its merit is not constructive.

What is 'wrong' with the anti-lead?
Like I said, if YOU want a solution, YOU figure it out.
The developers aren't here to be a slave to your desires, though they do take them into account, but, when you troll or get upset it just shows ignorance and that you are being unappreciative.

Not many people have the free time needed to develop games, let alone a game that returns little, if any, profit for them.
You won't even take the time to research how protocols or network communications work for your own issues, yet you expect the developers to be at your beck and call..

I also find nothing wrong with the anti-lead, maybe it's something being exploited between two parties, whereby the responsibility falls on YOU, the player, to determine what that it is and take whichever path it is you feel is just.

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I'm pretty sure that's not how it works buddy. No idea if you don't play duel rooms or clan war much and is just one of those people who socialize a lot in Training Rooms or w/e. For myself, I barely come on and play nowadays, but when I do, it's usually Clan War, TDM or even Duels and shots are not registering. Obviously the community doesn't have the capability to fix the problem, but you can't just put the blame on the competitive side of the community to fix the problem like that. The community voices their opinion out to help answer the questions regarding how to improve the server. If the staff doesn't take into consideration on the suggestions being made and keep releasing patches that do not fix the current visible problems already causing such an issue to the community, then FG will drop more than 50% of the population in players I can guarantee that.

Let's put it this way.. like back in the day, Questing and Clan War were the two major servers that were big in player base population and you were one of the players who enjoyed questing more than the competitive scene. If the questing server had a major recurring issue and the devs did not have a solution to fix it. You're literally driving people into the corner and stating, "IF YOU WANT A SOLUTION, YOU FIGURE IT OUT". Is that how you would like to approach the situation with an argument like that?

In light of things, the community isn't bashing on the features they have provided and more to come, but the main issue that's recurring isn't being solved. But, the community accounts for keeping the population base up, and the Devs are supposed to be there to keep improving the features to keep improving the player experience for this game.

Just my two cents

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I'm pretty sure that's not how it works buddy. No idea if you don't play duel rooms or clan war much and is just one of those people who socialize a lot in Training Rooms or w/e. For myself, I barely come on and play nowadays, but when I do, it's usually Clan War, TDM or even Duels and shots are not registering. Obviously the community doesn't have the capability to fix the problem, but you can't just put the blame on the competitive side of the community to fix the problem like that. The community voices their opinion out to help answer the questions regarding how to improve the server. If the staff doesn't take into consideration on the suggestions being made and keep releasing patches that do not fix the current visible problems already causing such an issue to the community, then FG will drop more than 50% of the population in players I can guarantee that.

Let's put it this way.. like back in the day, Questing and Clan War were the two major servers that were big in player base population and you were one of the players who enjoyed questing more than the competitive scene. If the questing server had a major recurring issue and the devs did not have a solution to fix it. You're literally driving people into the corner and stating, "IF YOU WANT A SOLUTION, YOU FIGURE IT OUT". Is that how you would like to approach the situation with an argument like that?

In light of things, the community isn't bashing on the features they have provided and more to come, but the main issue that's recurring isn't being solved. But, the community accounts for keeping the population base up, and the Devs are supposed to be there to keep improving the features to keep improving the player experience for this game.

Just my two cents

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Originally Posted by S1lent

Before i worked on those extra features i worked on "fixing" the anti lead. I already know the reasons shots wouldnt register in certain cases. Also i made modifications that allowed us to re-enable the cross hair pick. Then i worked on the other little things. I dont share all the details of what ive done in the vip thread, just a broad overview.

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how would the "pick up ammo" thing be implemented? walk over a player's corpse? or would it create an ammo spawn of sorts? this could be good or bad depending on how it's implemented. i wouldn't really advocate for this change in any team based game mode, although for DM it'd probably be good. i'd be more for removal of the [r] tag rather than the [ia] tag. infinite ammo is less of a problem than instant reloads, because people just like to spam their heads off mindlessly rather than actually proactively manage their ammo. especially so with shotguns, because of how much extra reserve ammo they have, it's really not a debatable factor.

as for the antilead, the majority are correct and i'd like to provide some insight as to what's happening. the antilead with shotguns in particular is the problem. i've used revolvers/sprays/whatever on pretty much every server/antilead there is, and it's pretty much always been flawless, but the instant i start using shotguns, a lot of the damage doesn't seem to work, and most shots only give me 1 pellet worth of damage. so it seems that "multi instance" sources of damage aren't working properly. which would explain why revs/sprays work fine, because each hit is only 1 instance of damage.

another point i'd like to bring up is that playing on worse internet seems to work with the antilead more consistently than playing on better internet. i used to play on better internet and i'd rarely get more than one pellet worth of damage from a shotgun. but now that i'm using a slower connection, i'm seeing my shots actually register most of the time.

thirdly, server routed antilead is significantly more accurate. i've never seen a peer to peer antilead work as well as a server routed one. i would use /forcenat religiously for this reason, but 8 times out of 10 you'll just end up getting AE to your opponents.

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I'm pretty sure that's not how it works buddy. No idea if you don't play duel rooms or clan war much and is just one of those people who socialize a lot in Training Rooms or w/e. For myself, I barely come on and play nowadays, but when I do, it's usually Clan War, TDM or even Duels and shots are not registering. Obviously the community doesn't have the capability to fix the problem, but you can't just put the blame on the competitive side of the community to fix the problem like that. The community voices their opinion out to help answer the questions regarding how to improve the server. If the staff doesn't take into consideration on the suggestions being made and keep releasing patches that do not fix the current visible problems already causing such an issue to the community, then FG will drop more than 50% of the population in players I can guarantee that.

Let's put it this way.. like back in the day, Questing and Clan War were the two major servers that were big in player base population and you were one of the players who enjoyed questing more than the competitive scene. If the questing server had a major recurring issue and the devs did not have a solution to fix it. You're literally driving people into the corner and stating, "IF YOU WANT A SOLUTION, YOU FIGURE IT OUT". Is that how you would like to approach the situation with an argument like that?

In light of things, the community isn't bashing on the features they have provided and more to come, but the main issue that's recurring isn't being solved. But, the community accounts for keeping the population base up, and the Devs are supposed to be there to keep improving the features to keep improving the player experience for this game.

Just my two cents

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true my whole paradigm was for people to do research and shit to be honest

and i mean lol i personalyl dont even care its kinda funny, if shots don't register randomly that's just part of the game for everyone then, not unfair right?
lol its funny

and also I'm saying that the devs can do what they want man, people are welcome to apply and change what they see fit if hired
given how long this has been an issue, maybe there was a reason for that ?
50% of the community isn't the competitive, i'd venture to say 10%
its communal dude, lots of VIPs and players whom care about events its all good

s1lent said fixed anyway so point is moot

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How is it oc'ed? Is this just a feeling? Or do you have recordings or some other way to explain it?

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Basically if you want proof on what he's saying try testing another server (hell even your own test client) and then play again on FG, you'll feel like your movement is restricted and heavy to the point where you can't execute your combos properly.

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Originally Posted by Taint

Basically if you want proof on what he's saying try testing another server (hell even your own test client) and then play again on FG, you'll feel like your movement is restricted and heavy to the point where you can't execute your combos properly.

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^ This is true.

I recently played on another server and it felt much more slower and smoother. Also guess what, didnt have the dmg problem I have here..FG feels kinda very weird lately.

I wish you guys fix these issues in v8.

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Basically if you want proof on what he's saying try testing another server (hell even your own test client) and then play again on FG, you'll feel like your movement is restricted and heavy to the point where you can't execute your combos properly.

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Originally Posted by McSic

Can't confirm.

I was about to find this line of code that would make gameplay 10% faster but... there is none.

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Hrmm

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Hrmm

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Not sure what to say, but I know what I'm saying is true, try doing what I said and see if you could spot the difference; I understand you said there is no code line for it but still, just so you get the feel.

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theirs a reason for that and its been said before cause theirs so much shit in fgunz implemented e.g. could be the zitem list just stacked up I think once hex explained due to the fact is so overloaded with items and other stuff it actually causes this difference

but yeah on another server I get like a noticeable fps difference and lightness

might just be my sweetspot though

kappa

just kidding

sry not kidding

Can we also get an update on anti-lead changes and fixes since almost everyone is interested in that ? thanks.

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Not sure what to say, but I know what I'm saying is true, try doing what I said and see if you could spot the difference; I understand you said there is no code line for it but still, just so you get the feel.

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Serious question. Did you even read the whole thread?

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Well i did remove a portion of code which ive had my eye on since i got here that i know caused a large fps fluctuation in a common scenario.

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That was in regards to the oc/heavy feeling.

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Can we also get an update on anti-lead changes and fixes since almost everyone is interested in that ? thanks.

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I cannot. Mc or Dave can explain if they want to.

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Serious question. Did you even read the whole thread?



That was in regards to the oc/heavy feeling.

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I cannot. Mc or Dave can explain if they want to.

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You actually aggravate me, of course I've read it, why else would I tell you it's STILL shitty?
Get off your high horse. It's not about ****ing fps, get your shit straight. I said GAMEPLAY wise, meaning your game mechanics which portrays a very heavy playstyle and impaired movement. and less of the visual shit. What you did didn't fix it and again I repeat myself, has nothing to do with FPS.
Do YOU ever take into consideration what people say here is what's in need of work?

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You actually aggravate me, of course I've read it, why else would I tell you it's STILL shitty?
Get off your high horse. It's not about ****ing fps, get your shit straight. I said GAMEPLAY wise, meaning your game mechanics which portrays a very heavy playstyle and impaired movement. and less of the visual shit. What you did didn't fix it and again I repeat myself, has nothing to do with FPS.
Do YOU ever take into consideration what people say here is what's in need of work?

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actually, gunz is one of these games that is HEAVILY affected by FPS. when youre running for example, you run faster when youre using 60, instead of for example 250.
i doubt its actually related to the FPS, because the issues you seem to complain about are huge, and its only a somewhat minor difference, but still, might aswell take everything into consideration.

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You actually aggravate me, of course I've read it, why else would I tell you it's STILL shitty?
Get off your high horse. It's not about ****ing fps, get your shit straight. I said GAMEPLAY wise, meaning your game mechanics which portrays a very heavy playstyle and impaired movement. and less of the visual shit. What you did didn't fix it and again I repeat myself, has nothing to do with FPS.
Do YOU ever take into consideration what people say here is what's in need of work?

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what your saying I actually understand like its not about the gameplay tbh its about the smoothness and ur right it has nothing to do with the fps but its kinda rude to ask for something from a developer when theirs actually no evidence in the code itself as he said to such a thing occuring, but yeah I understand completely but theirs no need to come off so aggressive tbh..

but I agree I don't blame s1lent though even before he was developer we've asked about the anti-lead & smoothness of the game in comparison to other servers and its never been taken into consideration as much as needed.

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what your saying I actually understand like its not about the gameplay tbh its about the smoothness and ur right it has nothing to do with the fps but its kinda rude to ask for something from a developer when theirs actually no evidence in the code itself as he said to such a thing occuring, but yeah I understand completely but theirs no need to come off so aggressive tbh..

but I agree I don't blame s1lent though even before he was developer we've asked about the anti-lead & smoothness of the game in comparison to other servers and its never been taken into consideration as much as needed.

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Being assertive and being a high-snotty brat is something else, I'm not blaming him and rather calling something out which I get that has been called out once by someone else, but what he did still did not fix it <-- which is what I'm pointing out - he does something and I give some feedback towards it; after reading my post he asks me if I've already read it (?). Clearly I did if I related Flora's post to my own and to his response. Nothing personal I just don't like his attitude.

As I said, the gameplay is still weird whether it's because of too many items or whatever that's been implemented.

didnt read if youre getting rid of R tag but if you are, GOOD. and fix antilead cuz my 10 dmg pbs are dumb asf....... fg is fine after that( honestly didnt read what was being added to V8 just figured itll still be gunz so idc :P )

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You actually aggravate me, of course I've read it, why else would I tell you it's STILL shitty?
Get off your high horse. It's not about ****ing fps, get your shit straight. I said GAMEPLAY wise, meaning your game mechanics which portrays a very heavy playstyle and impaired movement. and less of the visual shit. What you did didn't fix it and again I repeat myself, has nothing to do with FPS.
Do YOU ever take into consideration what people say here is what's in need of work?

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Being assertive and being a high-snotty brat is something else, I'm not blaming him and rather calling something out which I get that has been called out once by someone else, but what he did still did not fix it <-- which is what I'm pointing out - he does something and I give some feedback towards it; after reading my post he asks me if I've already read it (?). Clearly I did if I related Flora's post to my own and to his response. Nothing personal I just don't like his attitude.

As I said, the gameplay is still weird whether it's because of too many items or whatever that's been implemented.

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There's no need to repeat other users', users Silent has already replied to.

I think you miss the point when you say it's "still shitty". Of course the so called "issues" you're referring to are not fixed in the current version (7) of FGunZ. There hasn't been a single update for the past 3 months, simply because we're putting all of this into V8 - this thread is about V8. And as you may (or in your case: may not) have noticed, V8 has not yet been released. Therefore, when Silent says he fixed issues regarding Hitbox, Anti-Lead and OC/heavy feeling, he talks about V8. How would you know what's fixed in V8 and what's not?
Qua de causa it is, of course, "still shitty" in V7. https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...l=1#post974799

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There's no need to repeat other users', users Silent has already replied to.

I think you miss the point when you say it's "still shitty". Of course the so called "issues" you're referring are not fixed in the current version (7) of FGunZ. There hasn't been a single update for the past 3 months, simply because we're putting all of this into V8 - this thread is about V8. And as you may (or in your case: may not) have noticed, V8 has not yet been released. Therefore, when Silent says he fixed issues regarding Hitbox, Anti-Lead and OC/heavy feeling, he talks about V8. How would you know what's fixed in V8 and what's not?
Qua de causa it is, of course, "still shitty" in V7. https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...l=1#post974799

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Checkmate.

Also, superb work. Looking forward to V8.
Already can feel that your work will be underappreciated since players assume that the gameplay is so distorted now that they will somehow become exponentially better if the gameplay was set to this "standard" or that "standard".
There are many variables to analyze, most of which are confounded, but hey, as long as the anti-lead is fixed right?
Nevertheless, you have devoted much time and effort into FGunZ.
Just don't think all players are so narrow-minded as what has been cast in this thread.
Can't wait!

Well regarding this tangent. McSic pretty much summed it up. No one has had a chance to play with these changes that ive been mentioning since they havent even been released on the vip server.

Hello. I appreciate that the staff is continually working to improve game play and keep players satisfied.

First, I would like to suggest the idea of removing the vote kick system. The vote kick system is mainly used by players to kick and ban other players from a room who might be spiking, AE'd, "noob", or for other personal reasons. I believe that these reasons are not enough to give players the authority to remove another player from a room and completely ban them from rejoining the room. I think the server should automatically detect and remove a player from a room if they are AE'd or spiking "heavily" but only in non-training rooms. Additionally, they should be allowed to rejoin. I do understand that the 'disconnect from server' feature exists but I think it can be improved to handle "heavy" spikers as well. Also, kicking a player because they are "noob" or disliked by others for personal reasons is just unfair and should not be allowed. Now there are instances where a player may not be abiding by the rules such as hacking or being overly offensive to others. In this case, I think players should be allowed to report such player using a command such as /report [player] "user comment here". Large enough reports should be enough to trigger an automatic kick from the server or a GM on duty should be able to review every report. The removal of the vote kick system can protect less experienced players, people with shaky internet connections, or victims of bullying.

My second suggestion is to provide more community based events utilizing the main website. For example, a monthly contest for players to submit new donation item designs, VIP item designs, or in game shop items designs will motivate the community to be creative and active. These events and any in game events should be updated on the main website so that players feel the liveliness of this server. I believe that an active website with active events will attract new players and help existing players stay. For example, providing unique daily sales from the donation shop will generate more interest in the website and coin purchasing. Another idea is to host clan tournaments with unique prizes and publicize them on the website so that players get their competitive mode on!

Thank you.

Remove the kick as it is very annoying, on my part ami if I am annoyed because I get kicked because I kill many times, because it captures the flag and I go out for simple stupid things "I have no delay I do not use hack but they take me out for killing or Take the flag.

Each GM has to have a schedule to enter the game one that between 4 hours later another 4 hours and to take care of the gunz and see if anyone is doing something inappropriate.

The kick is used to eliminate users who have lag, spiker or hack, do not have to eliminate a user who only kills or captures the flag.

I've really wanted an alt fire for the single large sword.

Something like the spin animation that shoots a fireball, like the giant quest "monsters" do. 30-40 damage + some knockback would be perfect.

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Remove the kick as it is very annoying, on my part ami if I am annoyed because I get kicked because I kill many times, because it captures the flag and I go out for simple stupid things "I have no delay I do not use hack but they take me out for killing or Take the flag.

Each GM has to have a schedule to enter the game one that between 4 hours later another 4 hours and to take care of the gunz and see if anyone is doing something inappropriate.

The kick is used to eliminate users who have lag, spiker or hack, do not have to eliminate a user who only kills or captures the flag.

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Wont happen, the kick function is just a part of the game.

Why would there be a rule of the GMs to be online on certain times? people like us has a life aswel. for example; i have a job where my working hours vary each week/day, i can't plan my day(s) just because of that and now you expect me to be online every 4 hour to 'check' if anyone is doing something inappropriate? No thanks.

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Hello. I appreciate that the staff is continually working to improve game play and keep players satisfied.

First, I would like to suggest the idea of removing the vote kick system. The vote kick system is mainly used by players to kick and ban other players from a room who might be spiking, AE'd, "noob", or for other personal reasons. I believe that these reasons are not enough to give players the authority to remove another player from a room and completely ban them from rejoining the room. I think the server should automatically detect and remove a player from a room if they are AE'd or spiking "heavily" but only in non-training rooms. Additionally, they should be allowed to rejoin. I do understand that the 'disconnect from server' feature exists but I think it can be improved to handle "heavy" spikers as well. Also, kicking a player because they are "noob" or disliked by others for personal reasons is just unfair and should not be allowed. Now there are instances where a player may not be abiding by the rules such as hacking or being overly offensive to others. In this case, I think players should be allowed to report such player using a command such as /report [player] "user comment here". Large enough reports should be enough to trigger an automatic kick from the server or a GM on duty should be able to review every report. The removal of the vote kick system can protect less experienced players, people with shaky internet connections, or victims of bullying.

My second suggestion is to provide more community based events utilizing the main website. For example, a monthly contest for players to submit new donation item designs, VIP item designs, or in game shop items designs will motivate the community to be creative and active. These events and any in game events should be updated on the main website so that players feel the liveliness of this server. I believe that an active website with active events will attract new players and help existing players stay. For example, providing unique daily sales from the donation shop will generate more interest in the website and coin purchasing. Another idea is to host clan tournaments with unique prizes and publicize them on the website so that players get their competitive mode on!

Thank you.

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remember that, although players can team up to kick someone, most of the times it wont be happening due to personal reasons, and the fact that vote kick, as you can imply by the name, is VOTING for a player to get kicked. players who are just "noobs" wont get kicked from rooms with 10 people unless theyre lagging/annoying/destroying the point of the room.