V8 SGS Suggestion

After playing for like 4-5 hours myself on the new FG Version i realized that the range on the SGS is a bit too short. You need to go really really close to the opponent in order to deal good damage and from mid range you need tons of shots to kill someone.

After talking to some people too about this they told me they feel this way too. So i decided to make a suggestion in order to report this "issue". So there it is.

My suggestion is to increase the range of the shotguns a bit more in order to make it a "mid,close range" weapon.


Also FG now in my opinion is a bit pay to win. I think you need to nerf a bit the old Limit Breaker. Having two 12 9-12 dmg weapons seems too much imo. Probably a damage nerf on the old Limit Breaker would be good.

I pretty much like the updates overall and the new hitboxes feel good even tho I need more time to get used to them.

Would be nice to have more Ammo spawns on the CW maps aswell since u lowered the clips on SGS

Thanks

Feel the same, plus the audio.

Team Deathmatch should have random ammo spawns as well, and yeah, fgunz is a lot more p2w now, maybe up the bounty reward for questing and killing just a bit?

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Originally Posted by Agile

Feel the same, plus the audio.

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Check your audio options. There's an old sound effects box.

As for the shotguns and p2win aspect. That's in mcsics court. He took over the balancing and had the final say on that stuff.

Feel the same. Sgs have always been a short-midrange weapon, making it versatile, and is why it was such a popular weapon in GunZ. Converting Sgs to shortrange is a huge change, and has been frustrating to many GunZ players due to the sudden change in playstyle favouring players who spb more. I suggest increasing the range of shotguns in order to adjust to player playstyles that have been cultivated over years in order to avoid rage quitting.

In addition to this, limitbreakers have a much higher range and dmg than other donor shotguns, leading to an unfair playstyle in the game. Players with limitbreakers have the luxury of playing in distance, whereas donor shotgun users are forced to rush in otherwise they will get out damaged in range. This results to limitbreaker users having the luxury to aim while the enemy is rushing to them which in GunZ is a massive disadvantage, since it's easier to aim when somebody is rushing you.

I propose making all shotguns having the same range and dmg in order to maintain distance balance. Upgrading shotguns should be done in the basis of delay meaning the higher the level of the shotgun, the lower the delay. I suggest introducing this in intervals of 20 with a level 3 shotgun have the same stats as a limitbreaker which would make sense since it would cost 800 coins to do so.

As much as I like having an advantage over other players. This is not fun when the it's done through paying more to get that advantage. I literally got 2 people alt f4 in the room I was playing on because they couldn't get a single kill on me. I hope you consider this suggestion immensely.

yah i agree with both sunfire and akimbo and also know a lot of other players who agree to it too.

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Originally Posted by Akimbo

Feel the same. Sgs have always been a short-midrange weapon, making it versatile, and is why it was such a popular weapon in GunZ. Converting Sgs to shortrange is a huge change, and has been frustrating to many GunZ players due to the sudden change in playstyle favouring players who spb more. I suggest increasing the range of shotguns in order to adjust to player playstyles that have been cultivated over years in order to avoid rage quitting.

In addition to this, limitbreakers have a much higher range and dmg than other donor shotguns, leading to an unfair playstyle in the game. Players with limitbreakers have the luxury of playing in distance, whereas donor shotgun users are forced to rush in otherwise they will get out damaged in range. This results to limitbreaker users having the luxury to aim while the enemy is rushing to them which in GunZ is a massive disadvantage, since it's easier to aim when somebody is rushing you.

I propose making all shotguns having the same range and dmg in order to maintain distance balance. Upgrading shotguns should be done in the basis of delay meaning the higher the level of the shotgun, the lower the delay. I suggest introducing this in intervals of 20 with a level 3 shotgun have the same stats as a limitbreaker which would make sense since it would cost 800 coins to do so.

As much as I like having an advantage over other players. This is not fun when the it's done through paying more to get that advantage. I literally got 2 people alt f4 in the room I was playing on because they couldn't get a single kill on me. I hope you consider this suggestion immensely.

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Why nerf the damage on sgs

We need to remove the drop off damage as a whole

Anti-lead was shit now it feels more shittttttttttttttttttttt

WHY ARE THERE EVEN PERKS ON THIS GAME AKA GEMS

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Originally Posted by Agile

Feel the same, plus the audio.

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Go to options > Audio > [X] Old sound & save it.

I think that solves that issue.

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Originally Posted by Akimbo

Feel the same. Sgs have always been a short-midrange weapon, making it versatile, and is why it was such a popular weapon in GunZ. Converting Sgs to shortrange is a huge change, and has been frustrating to many GunZ players due to the sudden change in playstyle favouring players who spb more. I suggest increasing the range of shotguns in order to adjust to player playstyles that have been cultivated over years in order to avoid rage quitting.

In addition to this, limitbreakers have a much higher range and dmg than other donor shotguns, leading to an unfair playstyle in the game. Players with limitbreakers have the luxury of playing in distance, whereas donor shotgun users are forced to rush in otherwise they will get out damaged in range. This results to limitbreaker users having the luxury to aim while the enemy is rushing to them which in GunZ is a massive disadvantage, since it's easier to aim when somebody is rushing you.

I propose making all shotguns having the same range and dmg in order to maintain distance balance. Upgrading shotguns should be done in the basis of delay meaning the higher the level of the shotgun, the lower the delay. I suggest introducing this in intervals of 20 with a level 3 shotgun have the same stats as a limitbreaker which would make sense since it would cost 800 coins to do so.

As much as I like having an advantage over other players. This is not fun when the it's done through paying more to get that advantage. I literally got 2 people alt f4 in the room I was playing on because they couldn't get a single kill on me. I hope you consider this suggestion immensely.

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This is what i call proper feedback, This type of stuff is what we need.
It is true that it's very frustrating to get used to the new system none the less but it's not hard.
About the p2w i agree compleetly with you, It could have been a upgrade for the Limitbreaker instead of a second limitbreaker.

Not only that, The Tournament items are now basically not worthy to play with even tho for people who actually won the tournament. It's super hard to get those type of items i honestly think tournament items need to be relevant again for those who won their tournament items and so on. Cause now you basically are forced to play with the lucky box items and you can't even show off your cool shit you won.

I hope people can take a good example from this.

P.S this is my opinion.

can we get a feedback on this from either Dave or McSic about this? the drop off damage is really unnecessary in Gunz

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Originally Posted by Rain

This is what i call proper feedback, This type of stuff is what we need.
It is true that it's very frustrating to get used to the new system none the less but it's not hard.
About the p2w i agree compleetly with you, It could have been a upgrade for the Limitbreaker instead of a second limitbreaker.

Not only that, The Tournament items are now basically not worthy to play with even tho for people who actually won the tournament. It's super hard to get those type of items i honestly think tournament items need to be relevant again for those who won their tournament items and so on. Cause now you basically are forced to play with the lucky box items and you can't even show off your cool shit you won.

I hope people can take a good example from this.

P.S this is my opinion.

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you forgot to add 90% of the current people who've got tournament items ingame haven't actually won, they was given it because of their gm/admin/event team status, which made tournament items lose its value long before v8 anyway, but yeah I agree.

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Originally Posted by ChloeOnFire

you forgot to add 90% of the current people who've got tournament items ingame haven't actually won, they was given it because of their gm/admin/event team status, which made tournament items lose its value long before v8 anyway, but yeah I agree.

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Staff with those items were presented them for taking the time to host a tournament.. Staff such as Leo / Linzor have won tourneys for their items though. My self has 0 tourney items the feels.

im gonna say, lower the damage to 9 and increase the range of the shotguns, plus the hitbox like it was before.. why do we need to get used to the changes every now and then..

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Originally Posted by Notorious

Staff with those items were presented them for taking the time to host a tournament.. Staff such as Leo / Linzor have won tourneys for their items though. My self has 0 tourney items the feels.

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Feels bad then, but I've seen ex-staff with those current items.. lol

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Originally Posted by Akimbo

Feel the same. Sgs have always been a short-midrange weapon, making it versatile, and is why it was such a popular weapon in GunZ. Converting Sgs to shortrange is a huge change, and has been frustrating to many GunZ players due to the sudden change in playstyle favouring players who spb more. I suggest increasing the range of shotguns in order to adjust to player playstyles that have been cultivated over years in order to avoid rage quitting.

In addition to this, limitbreakers have a much higher range and dmg than other donor shotguns, leading to an unfair playstyle in the game. Players with limitbreakers have the luxury of playing in distance, whereas donor shotgun users are forced to rush in otherwise they will get out damaged in range. This results to limitbreaker users having the luxury to aim while the enemy is rushing to them which in GunZ is a massive disadvantage, since it's easier to aim when somebody is rushing you.

I propose making all shotguns having the same range and dmg in order to maintain distance balance. Upgrading shotguns should be done in the basis of delay meaning the higher the level of the shotgun, the lower the delay. I suggest introducing this in intervals of 20 with a level 3 shotgun have the same stats as a limitbreaker which would make sense since it would cost 800 coins to do so.

As much as I like having an advantage over other players. This is not fun when the it's done through paying more to get that advantage. I literally got 2 people alt f4 in the room I was playing on because they couldn't get a single kill on me. I hope you consider this suggestion immensely.

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youre the best akimbo! i love you!

Legendary;
LB 9 Damage / 6 Clip / 1000 Delay
LB X 9 Damage / 5 Clip / 950 delay

200 Coin Sg's;
8 Damage / 5 Clip / 950 Delay

100 coins sg's;
8 Damage / 5 Clip / 1050 Delay

High Tier Non-Donors 8 Damage / 5 Clip / 1100 Delay
Mid Tier Non-Donors 7 Damage / 5 Clip / 1100 Delay
Low Tier Non-Donors 6 Damage / 5 Clip / 1100 Delay

The only annoying thing is the gun's sound, personally the gems are pointless but besides that, I'm not complaining. I find v8 to be a lot smoother than v7. And I honestly don't even mind the new dmg system considering how many players relied on potting 24/7 in v7.

Shot from far or near is the same, close shot does not sound HIT and no DMG, short shot 3 shots and never dies (if you're lucky they may die).

The fact that now you gotta be in their face to kill is actually ridiculous. Everyone is Slashing now and SlashPBing.

SGS range needs a buff ASAP. Shooting someone from long range isnt even worth it anymore.

Yesterday I noticed another thing too tho. Sometimes you can hit someone really hard from close range and the DMG just isn't there. It doesnt happen often but when it does its pretty annoying.

It will be Good if we make All the Damage of sg which was like in V7 , It will be MORE GOOD what do you think ?
FOR : Example : Limit Breaker : 10 DMG
Donation SG : 9 DMG

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Originally Posted by Sunfire

The fact that now you gotta be in their face to kill is actually ridiculous. Everyone is Slashing now and SlashPBing.

SGS range needs a buff ASAP. Shooting someone from long range isnt even worth it anymore.

Yesterday I noticed another thing too tho. Sometimes you can hit someone really hard from close range and the DMG just isn't there. It doesnt happen often but when it does its pretty annoying.

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are u sure about that ? with the new hitbox which is smaller and pellets can go through legs for example u can miss pbs easily or atleast not hit hard

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Originally Posted by Michael

are u sure about that ? with the new hitbox which is smaller and pellets can go through legs for example u can miss pbs easily or atleast not hit hard

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It happened to me yesterday 2-3 times where i shot the guy in the chest (i never aim legs) for like 7-8 combo and he didn't die. It was really close range too. I was surprised the first time and though I was unlucky but when it happened again I lost my shit XD

Imo, there should have only been one change.

SGs already had a pseudo form of damage fall off due to the spread of the pellets since the beginning. Either having the new hitbox which is a nerf to a lot of guns like SG or having fall off damage but if I were to pick one to get the axe I would kill the fall off damage because I would prefer knowing how much damage my gun does when I shoot and hit, not this extra shit about needing to know exact distances to get maximum or gimped damage.

GunZ is not a sim game and this feels like the bullet is losing velocity over distance, what's next gravity and wind compensation? Those are all realistic and impressive to code into abandonware like GunZ, but they are not very fun.

Arcade style games need consistency and simplicity, right now the item shop is overloaded with complexity for the gun stats and it would be overwhelming for new players, hell its even kind of overwhelming to look at already.

uhh..don't you guys know they changed the hitbox to indirectly fix the widespread hitbox hack??? or you didn't notice there were SO MANY HACKERS last few months of v7???