Worrying issue (hacking)

Hey so the last few weeks I have been more worried about the cw scene. Namely that, 80% of the players cwing are accusing each other of hacking and it is getting worse by the week.

You would think they will report the person they are accusing of for hacking, but they are not.
The main reason is because they dont think the current staff is able to detect players, so they dont bother. (Ask them if you dont believe this).

I am worried that the cw might be dying soon, since no one wants to play against hackers in cw, but they are not doing anything about it (partially their own fault for not trying of course).

I would like to have a system that can tell whether one is hacking or not, if its even possible.
If you already have it, please update it, renew or change it.

This is not really my own request, but I kinda want the other people that are cwing to be less focused on accusing people of hacking and more focused on playing. Also to shut them up for a while.

Obviously they should report and say things themselves, but they lost faith in the staff being able to detect them.
Of course their accusations does not mean they are 100% correct, their accusations can also be wrong.

But having something like this might give them a peace of mind.

I apologize in advance if this might come of as rude towards the staff members.

had conversation with few staff there actually are automated systems in place that log any cheats/hacks/suspicious programs someone uses. seems an issue is that some gms aren’t completely sure how these systems work; and i’ve seen a case myself where user downloaded a “bad program” (without bad intentions) just to see if this system picked up on it like it did for me just by searching it…and it didn’t register, log or kick said player out of the room.

maybe a problem is staff are overly reliant on systems that, as ive seen once, are “faulty” and that is why people don’t care to report.

but ya cw is annoyingly unfun when everyone egoing and calling eachother hacker zzz

Said bad program, What type?

And SunRui is Correct We have a system the detects Programs that shouldnt be open with gunz and gets updated Frequently by McSic. Not much slips past the system without us seeing it, even people are trying to make cheats etc etc we can see and ban daily in the background which you guys wont see usually. But users get banned quite often than you guys think.

i am da sb

undetected to this day kkkkkkkkkkkk

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Originally Posted by Notorious

i am da sb

undetected to this day kkkkkkkkkkkk

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Lets be real, every player who plays GunZ and mainly CW, when loses accuses the other of hacking because his ego is butthurt.
With the often updates JP does, addresses change in short so if there's a program out there that lets people sb and shit, they'd need to update all the addresses so it works correctly with the newest update, I honestly doubt there are people out there wasting their time on a game that's not competitive anymore, GunZ isn't what it used to be back in 2008-2010 and even if there were cheaters, all you have to do is report them, whether they are legit or not, if the said player is hacking, he won't get away with it (admins are experienced enough to realize who cheats and doesn't).

There's a working Anti-Hack and people are getting caught / stopped / banned very regularly for trying hacks. It works well.

Players are simply accusing each other because they can. For some individuals it's easier to blame the other party for hacking than accept that they're simply better. It's a lazy excuse for their own incapability (and no matter what's done, it will never stop).

its obvious its got to do with money. the guy i reported few days back was painfully obvious. now i see gms in here saying 'everyone will always be accusing ppl thatll never stop!!!' as if im some random scrub accusing someone only cuz he killed me. i dont think i ever even reported anyone, i only bothered cause he was so bad i thought its a quick ban. this cheating rat makes sure he opens some lucky boxes as insurance.

these gms cant hold their mouse and think their anticheat is top tier from what im reading. might aswell remove most gms then if ure not gonna use them to check for cheats and ban manually.

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Originally Posted by McSic

There's a working Anti-Hack and people are getting caught / stopped / banned very regularly for trying hacks. It works well.

Players are simply accusing each other because they can. For some individuals it's easier to blame the other party for hacking than accept that they're simply better. It's a lazy excuse for their own incapability (and no matter what's done, it will never stop).

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If there is a working system then I dont have much else to say apart from, nice :)

Its now up to the goons we call cw players to accept their losses and skill issues and take initiative to report players they still think are suspicious

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Originally Posted by Shang

If there is a working system then I dont have much else to say apart from, nice :)

Its now up to the goons we call cw players to accept their losses and skill issues and take initiative to report players they still think are suspicious

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"Fk man all these hackers in cw are ruining the game, cw is gonna die out... I'm not gonna fking report it tho cuz them gms are nabs, might as well just quit".

Can't say I feel sorry for them.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

"Fk man all these hackers in cw are ruining the game, cw is gonna die out... I'm not gonna fking report it tho cuz them gms are nabs, might as well just quit".

Can't say I feel sorry for them.

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Aye its their fault for not trying.
Im getting too annoyed/ bothered every time i read the chat when im dead.

Since they are not doing much or anything, im trying to start the topic to hopefully get them to talk a bit more or start taking action. Probably copium tho.

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Originally Posted by aim_botz

its obvious its got to do with money. the guy i reported few days back was painfully obvious. now i see gms in here saying 'everyone will always be accusing ppl thatll never stop!!!' as if im some random scrub accusing someone only cuz he killed me. i dont think i ever even reported anyone, i only bothered cause he was so bad i thought its a quick ban. this cheating rat makes sure he opens some lucky boxes as insurance.

these gms cant hold their mouse and think their anticheat is top tier from what im reading. might aswell remove most gms then if ure not gonna use them to check for cheats and ban manually.

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We've banned people before who have spent a significant amount. To some people everyone is hacking/cheating if they can't win.

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Originally Posted by Dave

We've banned people before who have spent a significant amount. To some people everyone is hacking/cheating if they can't win.

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there u go, u had to add that last sentence. i barely even see players getting reported for cheats, so who is such a salty loser? i know some ppl might be like that, but when a player goes from consistent 2/10 aimer to a 10/10 if it wasnt for the fact he 4shot u by the 4rd shot; its pretty obvious. but like i said, the gms dont see this correlation between overall gameplay and skill. u can tell just by the guys shit movement alone honestly. hell even by his talking. i know for a fact ill never report anyone from now cause its not gonna get more obvious than that guy.

imagine: a guy that got unbanned for cheating just a week ago, completely dogshit unable to hit a ****ing shot. i literally shit on him eyes closed. skip 2 days ahead and hes 4 shotting me with ease on an alt spouting bullshit only someone with <90 iq would.

i ask him to 1v1 after i reported and he refuses to. cause hes too afraid to continue cheating in a 1v1, why else right? he was killing me with such ease!!! not his cheat

I can say that people who have tried to hack whether they donate to the server or not get banned. The people who try hacks never last more than a day or two without getting caught by a GM or our system. We take all forms of hacking very seriously, which is why we instant ban people who are actually proven guilty. You doubt our systems but the fact is our system is almost never wrong. We as GM's have caught and banned dozens of hackers that made hacks or tried to use hacks on this server. The protocol for dealing with such things is always going to be a certain way that the players do or don't like. The fact is we catch a lot of people, and our server is one of the safest regarding certain things I wont mention.

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Originally Posted by aim_botz

imagine: a guy that got unbanned for cheating just a week ago, completely dogshit unable to hit a ****ing shot. i literally shit on him eyes closed. skip 2 days ahead and hes 4 shotting me with ease on an alt spouting bullshit only someone with <90 iq would.

i ask him to 1v1 after i reported and he refuses to. cause hes too afraid to continue cheating in a 1v1, why else right? he was killing me with such ease!!! not his cheat

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There is so much talk about cheating and how obvious it is but nobody is providing names or .gzr files, or any type of recording/evidence. While I agree there is always the possibility of cheaters in any game, over the years I've been at FGunZ I have seen MANY people get banned definitively for cheating. Cheating/Hacking is extremely prevalent in this community and there's a strong argument that cheating is really what killed GunZ success chances, back in those days the official staff could NEVER keep up. You'd report someone for hacking and they would get banned months later. It is on the people of the community to provide evidence and report people just as much as it is fgunz to review that info or take action on their own. It's certainly not to say they're doing nothing as a staff team, and to say that people who spent money don't get banned is untrue for many people.

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Originally Posted by Cid

There is so much talk about cheating and how obvious it is but nobody is providing names or .gzr files, or any type of recording/evidence. While I agree there is always the possibility of cheaters in any game, over the years I've been at FGunZ I have seen MANY people get banned definitively for cheating. Cheating/Hacking is extremely prevalent in this community and there's a strong argument that cheating is really what killed GunZ success chances, back in those days the official staff could NEVER keep up. You'd report someone for hacking and they would get banned months later. It is on the people of the community to provide evidence and report people just as much as it is fgunz to review that info or take action on their own. It's certainly not to say they're doing nothing as a staff team, and to say that people who spent money don't get banned is untrue for many people.

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cool story Cid and thanks for the gunz history lesson. did you take a look at my report? i included multiple .GZRS! screenshots! and a direct clip. fact is this guy went from playing for 5 days after his unban, unable to hit a shot. literally a BOT. 6th day hes hitting harder than me. i KNOW hes cheating, i dont know why i expected noobs to be able to see it. ure right gunz was doomed cause of no anticheat and nothing has changed.

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Originally Posted by aim_botz

imagine: a guy that got unbanned for cheating just a week ago, completely dogshit unable to hit a ****ing shot. i literally shit on him eyes closed. skip 2 days ahead and hes 4 shotting me with ease on an alt spouting bullshit only someone with <90 iq would.

i ask him to 1v1 after i reported and he refuses to. cause hes too afraid to continue cheating in a 1v1, why else right? he was killing me with such ease!!! not his cheat

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Time continuity is not a concern when dealing with hacker reports. If you think referring to a person's skill by differentiating it from how that person played 2 days ago and then accusing him of hacking is absolutely mental, I can imagine you can get behind that. Hacker reports are strictly judged based on the evidence provided and, as the admins themselves say, people attempting to run suspicious programs are caught on a frequent basis.

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Originally Posted by aim_botz

there u go, u had to add that last sentence. i barely even see players getting reported for cheats, so who is such a salty loser? i know some ppl might be like that, but when a player goes from consistent 2/10 aimer to a 10/10 if it wasnt for the fact he 4shot u by the 4rd shot; its pretty obvious. but like i said, the gms dont see this correlation between overall gameplay and skill. u can tell just by the guys shit movement alone honestly. hell even by his talking. i know for a fact ill never report anyone from now cause its not gonna get more obvious than that guy.

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The fact of the matter is that regardless if the current team of game moderators is considered such that can detect hackers if provided with evidence or not, there are various other reasons people would abstain from reporting which aren't always obvious. The simplest reason I've already come across being accused of cheating myself, is that people would go to great lengths of fabricating evidence and not going through the normal channels which can be used to report something just to avoid boosting the ego of the accused and putting themselves as the reporter in the position of a fool. All for that valuable ego of theirs.

The fact that you, personally, choose to determine a guy's legitimacy in your reply based on continuity of gameplay improvement and "even by his talking" shows me that I personally would dismiss anything you had to say further than concrete evidence.

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Originally Posted by aim_botz

its obvious its got to do with money. the guy i reported few days back was painfully obvious. now i see gms in here saying 'everyone will always be accusing ppl thatll never stop!!!' as if im some random scrub accusing someone only cuz he killed me. i dont think i ever even reported anyone, i only bothered cause he was so bad i thought its a quick ban. this cheating rat makes sure he opens some lucky boxes as insurance.

these gms cant hold their mouse and think their anticheat is top tier from what im reading. might aswell remove most gms then if ure not gonna use them to check for cheats and ban manually.

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What are you on 'bout ya сunt?
Both admins are wealthy enough to close FGunZ and live their life, in fact, they are in loss because they sacrifice their own free time to improve the source code and maintain the forum/main website and you're here making assumption that kids who donated a ton for lucky boxes are not getting banned even if they are known to be cheating? Homie, if I were cheating although I was ex staff member, JP for instance would ban me without hesitating and won't ever talk to me even if I have 7k coins in my coin, don't talk delusional shit without knowing the admins bro.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Time continuity is not a concern when dealing with hacker reports. If you think referring to a person's skill by differentiating it from how that person played 2 days ago and then accusing him of hacking is absolutely mental, I can imagine you can get behind that. Hacker reports are strictly judged based on the evidence provided and, as the admins themselves say, people attempting to run suspicious programs are caught on a frequent basis.



The fact of the matter is that regardless if the current team of game moderators is considered such that can detect hackers if provided with evidence or not, there are various other reasons people would abstain from reporting which aren't always obvious. The simplest reason I've already come across being accused of cheating myself, is that people would go to great lengths of fabricating evidence and not going through the normal channels which can be used to report something just to avoid boosting the ego of the accused and putting themselves as the reporter in the position of a fool. All for that valuable ego of theirs.

The fact that you, personally, choose to determine a guy's legitimacy in your reply based on continuity of gameplay improvement and "even by his talking" shows me that I personally would dismiss anything you had to say further than concrete evidence.

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seeing ur name was instant dismiss of ur novel aswell man dont worry. u dont know anything about this game now why dont u stick to questing bud

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Originally Posted by GeorgeGFX

What are you on 'bout ya сunt?
Both admins are wealthy enough to close FGunZ and live their life, in fact, they are in loss because they sacrifice their own free time to improve the source code and maintain the forum/main website and you're here making assumption that kids who donated a ton for lucky boxes are not getting banned even if they are known to be cheating? Homie, if I were cheating although I was ex staff member, JP for instance would ban me without hesitating and won't ever talk to me even if I have 7k coins in my coin, don't talk delusional shit without knowing the admins bro.

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idc if they say theyre wealthy enough lol, its the only reason i see to still have that guy on ur server, knowing what i know. yall dumb n oblivious enough to believe this guy who got unbanned a week ago. at this point i dont even care, i still shit on him cuz he doesnt even dare to cheat now. leaves every room i join instantly

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Originally Posted by aim_botz

idc if they say theyre wealthy enough lol, its the only reason i see to still have that guy on ur server, knowing what i know. yall dumb n oblivious enough to believe this guy who got unbanned a week ago. at this point i dont even care, i still shit on him cuz he doesnt even dare to cheat now. leaves every room i join instantly

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You're just being butthurt and so is your ego, that's why your way of typing says, they don't even state whether they are wealthy, I know what both of them do for a living so that assumption you made with the lucky boxes doesn't interest the admins.

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Originally Posted by GeorgeGFX

You're just being butthurt and so is your ego, that's why your way of typing says, they don't even state whether they are wealthy, I know what both of them do for a living so that assumption you made with the lucky boxes doesn't interest the admins.

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thats fair enough man, who knows what the reason might be then. perhaps they truly dont see whats painfully obvious

Your own words multiple times is……“At this point I don’t care”. Looking at this thread and the past day or so of forum chat says otherwise :?

with all of my respect,the gms are not working and not detecting any hackers,so why u all gms ? i dont understand ?
you got system that detects hackers? ok woking perfectly and im very thankfull of that.. but people still can hack and its the gm's job to detect that <<<, if the program is not detecting. and im responsible about my words , hackers are very obv.. hikari clan posted on youtube , all the server knows Pain is so obv hacking , wake up LADSS ! im collecting some recs of him soon , hope u be fair enough to ban him im not a random, i started gunz since 2004 and i dont blame people for nothing .
i dont blame because i lose to them or idk .. we rank 1 anyway ...we win we lose all good to us we accept the challenge and everysingle one of us supports the FAIR play...
but its very annoying a bot like Pain who never knew how to climb a wall turned to a person who never misses a single shot , deals huge dmg from a close and long distances...and suddenly he can Sound play better than ppl who used to play gunz for the past 15 years and his movements are very bad the guy cant dash lol... many things need experience , u cant fully learn gunz in 5 months .
some ppl posted on youtube and we are collecting recs , because no way all the cw players say he is obv hacking except his clan
THANK YOU

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Originally Posted by nezo_pro2

with all of my respect,the gms are not working and not detecting any hackers,so why u all gms ? i dont understand ?
you got system that detects hackers? ok woking perfectly and im very thankfull of that.. but people still can hack and its the gm's job to detect that <<<, if the program is not detecting. and im responsible about my words , hackers are very obv.. hikari clan posted on youtube , all the server knows Pain is so obv hacking , wake up LADSS ! im collecting some recs of him soon , hope u be fair enough to ban him im not a random, i started gunz since 2004 and i dont blame people for nothing .
i dont blame because i lose to them or idk .. we rank 1 anyway ...we win we lose all good to us we accept the challenge and everysingle one of us supports the FAIR play...
but its very annoying a bot like Pain who never knew how to climb a wall turned to a person who never misses a single shot , deals huge dmg from a close and long distances...and suddenly he can Sound play better than ppl who used to play gunz for the past 15 years and his movements are very bad the guy cant dash lol... many things need experience , u cant fully learn gunz in 5 months .
some ppl posted on youtube and we are collecting recs , because no way all the cw players say he is obv hacking except his clan
THANK YOU

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I understand your frustration but understand we can’t see everything and know everything just cause we’re GMs. We dont have the power of just being everywhere. That’s why we always ask for people to report users. Report with as much evidence if it gets declined like the first time don’t just stop there get more evidence that further supports your case. Playing against someone and watching a replay are a lot different imo. When you’re watching a replay you can see a lot more than what you can in game so it’s easier to make such accusations if you’re in a replay that gives you esp or wireframe it can all look like esp/aim. For instances of shotbot I’ve not had to much compelling evidence provided that would even suggest SB is back.

Collectively as a community if y’all want this to get better don’t hate the admins or us for just simply trying. Help us help you. We are all on our computer most days and it doesn’t take long for us to look.

honestly a good majority of players need to accept the fact that they aren’t as good as they like to believe and stop accusing everyone of hacks. i’ve never understood the logic behind complaining for months that you suspect someone of hacking but then never taking the time to report them. people say it’s because “gms are going to deny anyways”, but i feel like they use that as a crutch, to avoid coming to terms with the fact that they just aren’t good and the other person doesn’t hack.
i’m seeing the staff say that a lot more people are banned behind the scenes than we realize, i personally would like to see that information. Who is being banned and for what

Most of the complains are coming from people who cannot accept that someone else is better than them, simple as that. I'm not saying that ALL of the complaints are false but as it was stated above, we have a working Anti-Hack which does a perfect job, just because you're not aware of people who are getting banned for hacking doesn't mean the system doesn't work so honestly if you have no idea it's better for you to keep your thoughts to yourself rather than stating we don't have an anti-hack.

And for all the users who say the GMs aren't doing anything since we have an Anti-Hack system: Again, you have no idea what we're doing in the background, just because there are no public reports it doesn't mean that people aren't getting banned for hacks, it's something that happens almost on a daily basis. I'm not going to dig into specifics since we don't have to prove ourselves or share with you what we're doing, but know that we are seeing every complaint and we always discuss about things, with both of the owners as well who are also experienced enough to catch hackers.

Also, if some people don't want to report because they think we cannot detect or they think it will get declined and then they come here to complain, you clearly don't understand how dumb it sounds if you don't want to complain and then you be like: "wow you dont ban hackers", how are we supposed to know if you only talk about this with your clanmates, are we psychics now?

In conclusion, you need to keep in mind that we're human after all, obviously we won't be able to catch EVERY hacker immediately, it might take some time but that's the part where y'all supposed to help us, we have the same goal and we want to get rid of them as much as you if not more, help us to help you and keep this community safe.

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Originally Posted by McSic

There's a working Anti-Hack and people are getting caught / stopped / banned very regularly for trying hacks. It works well.

Players are simply accusing each other because they can. For some individuals it's easier to blame the other party for hacking than accept that they're simply better. It's a lazy excuse for their own incapability (and no matter what's done, it will never stop).

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This.

Just going to add what I already said on discord: The 'hacker problem' on our platform is just an issue that's created by individual people in their heads. Name *any* competitive online shooter - you'll see some people accuse others of hacking, always, guaranteed. It's an issue that will never fully disappear.

Also, #27. https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...=1#post1106547

Moving to declined as the anti-hack already exists.