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FGunZ
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Add a massive timer indicator above Sword Icon to indicate how much time left only on charged massive (if possible) so it not intrusive to glad players
its a QOL change and useful for new player. with elements equipped it hard to see when your massive expire so would appreciate clearer way to see the timer of your massive rather than counting :)
If done right it can work for the block acquired massives too; like a little marker that slides from light gray to darker gray. I dont think it would be too disruptive as long as its relatively small. If it appeard on screen at the bottom right 24/7, its "popping" into light gray would be even less intrusive.
I support this, very good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunRui
I totally get where you're coming from with the idea of a timer, but part of the beauty of gunz is how it subtly demands you to master the rhythm of its gameplay. It's a dance of timing, intuition, and situational awareness, right? The moment when a player, new or old, manages to 'feel' the exact instance their massive is about to run out or when to release it, well, that's pure magic imo. Introducing a visual cue might seem like a step toward player-friendliness on the surface, but it could unintentionally dampen that thrill of mastery, somewhat like giving a metronome to a seasoned musician. Sure, it might help a beginner, but for someone who's already got the beat in their bones, it could actually prove distracting.. and there's something to be said about immersion, isn't there? gunz has this fast-paced, intense duel vibe that, again, feels almost like a dance, so sticking in an overtly gamey timer could risk pulling us out of the action, jarring the experience a bit. Not to mention the aesthetics.. gunz has a fairly clean interface, so we've got to be super careful about what we add to it to avoid clutter.. would the benefits of this timer really offset the potential confusion it might cause? It's a tough call, but I'm not entirely convinced. Sure, we all want to make the game more accessible to newcomers, but let's just make sure we're not compromising that unique gunz rhythm in the process, you know?
elegant writing aside & assuming this not troll post, i would agree with you if fgunz didnt revolve around 32 player garden tdms, 16 player AnD’s, and duel rooms where no ones practically using massive there anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jona
the “clutter” on the screen already exists when you join a TDM room with player hp/ap on the left side of the screen completely blocking vision on that end if the options enabled in larger room
unsure how a QOL change for charged massives takes away from the rythm for gunz when you’re not able to do any moves with massive anyway unless you consider dashing around with a massive a “dance”, lol
I totally see where you're coming from, especially given how fgunz often revolves around large scale TDMs and AnDs. But let's not lose sight of the fact that gunz isn't all about those big battles.. it's a game with many faces, appealing to the solitary duelist as well as the team player. While the charged massive might not be the main event in those large battles or duel rooms, it's still a part of the game's tactical toolkit. It's not just about knowing which buttons to push, it's about feeling the rhythm of the game and internalizing that beat.. introduce a timer, and you risk muting that rhythm, that gunz vibe. About the clutter, yeah, there's a lot happening on the screen in those big rooms, but isn't that all the more reason to be wary of adding even more? Each addition chips away at that sleek, minimalist aesthetic. Too much clutter and the game starts feeling less like a high-octane duel and more like a glorified spreadsheet.. and about the dance, it might sound a bit silly to talk about dashing around with a massive as a dance, but isn't that exactly what a seasoned gunz player does? They take the game's mechanics and weave them into this kind of ballet of feints, dodges, and perfectly timed attacks. The intuition, the understanding of timing, that's all part of the dance, and a massive timer could undermine that. So yeah, a QOL change for charged massives might make things easier for newbies, but again, gunz isn't just about being easy, it's about depth, reward, and rhythm. That's the rhythm we might be risking with changes like this one. But hey, that's the beauty of these discussions, right? We're all here because we love the game and want to see it thrive. Let's keep improving it, but in a way that amplifies its unique rhythm, not water it down.
Not a fan of this sorry. Agreed if that bar is like in the corner way out of the way and it's like 1 pixel big then fair enough
or at least have this as a turn on/off functionality. Playing this game for many years it has never been required and I don't think it adds benefit now. So for new players they can turn it on and for the old players they can always have it off :)
looks good! but its not what im talking about, i mean when i have a massive already charged and would like to know how much time i have left to use it i would like to see an icon in the corner around the weapon displayQuote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
https://i.imgur.com/paZnVNJ.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
very unintrusive but still clear
I agree on you. but i'd support this suggestion if it could be disabled on options.
This was basically the conclusion from a discussion we had about this suggestion; maybe even instead of that type of bar it would be the sword blade itself in the katana icon having a shade that moves from the base to the tip depending on the time left.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunRui
The suggestion can also be expanded into other weapons;
Consider that there is currently a text in the middle of the screen saying "RELOAD" when youre reloading. This is not intrusive because we simply don't need to aim while the reload text is there. What if the reload text was accompanied by a slider that shows the time left to reload? reaching empty/full (depending on your definition) when you finish reloading, and then disappearing.
For items; it would show the cooldown between each usage of the same item. Grenades would have a slower moving bar while soda meds will have very fast repetitive bar. The sword massive charge can also have a slider identical to that of the remaining time before the massive disappears, slowly filling when you charge it and slowly emptying when youre done charging.
For the GUI, theres probably 3 solutions I can think of; under your crosshair (most intrusive), or under your EXP bar or as part of the bottom right icon. I think it could look really nice if the relevant weapon icon itself was "charging up" or "depleting" (changing color sliding along the icon) depending on the action thats happening. If we think of it, there's nothing, except the animations themselves, to indicate delays of common actions in this game. Every weapon comes with a delay, and we don't really think of it as anything but a number or a "feel".
I won't deny that there's a certain aesthetic appeal to your ideas.. having the katana icon or other weapon icons 'charge up' or 'deplete' in color could indeed add a visually pleasing element to the GUI. Yet, isn't gunz all about the intrinsic 'feel' for timings, rather than explicit indicators? And sure, the 'RELOAD' text isn't intrusive because we're not really "aiming" during that time. But doesn't it also play into that very 'feel' I'm talking about? We learn to intuit the reload timing, enhancing our situational awareness. A moving bar might reduce this to mere 'waiting'. Same goes for item cooldowns, the varying speed of bars might simply become a distraction.. while the concept of a progress bar is intriguing, wouldn't it essentially transmute our raw, visceral experience into a game of watching bars fill and deplete? Be it under the crosshair, the EXP bar, or the bottom right icon, these additional indicators could potentially divert our focus from the game's fast-paced action.. gunz has always been about more than just numbers or explicit delays. It's about the rhythm, the flow, the 'feel'. Introducing overt indicators might risk turning this immersive dance into a mechanical sequence, diluting the essence of what makes gunz, well, gunz. It's the difference between dancing to a beat you feel in your bones, versus mechanically following a ticking metronome. And I believe most of us would agree, we'd rather feel the beat.
This good enough?
Placed at the corner so it's not intrusive.
https://streamable.com/hyr72l
works for me idc about the aesthetic :o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by McSic
Moved to To be added soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSic
I know the convo is done but what about the massive animation just fade out gradually until it disappears? It's intuitive enough for people to get that it's about to run out but doesn't spoonfeed the info as much as an exact timer does, so there's still an element of mastering the timing.
Good idea - but that would cause it to be nearly invisible near the end of its lifetime but still grant you a full massive, so it could be rather confusing for yourself and your enemies when you barely see the massive charge anymore but it's there. (I tested it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Amamin
What about a ping that it's gone? Maybe the same ding you hear after a massive has been charged or a power down sound effect like this maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSic
Oh I can already hear people complaining about it (new sound + intrusive)Quote:
Originally Posted by Amamin
A turn on/off option would be highly appreciated❤️
Having to learn the timing yourself is something that makes the glad skill ceiling higher.
I don't find that to be a compelling argument given that nobody has reached the skill ceiling in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cid
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What if it looked the same, until the very last second - and then it would rapidly start to disappear, but not instantly? Animation wise, its much smoother than the abrupt disappearing of the massive. It could also apply to block-charged massives, but for the last 0.1 or something much shorter, instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSic
Change the color of the massive when it runs out, like turn it red 3 seconds before it ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSic
Don't do it MC
Oooh this is a good one too!Quote:
Originally Posted by McSic
dont like ideas of massive changing color when running out rather would have timer
already hard see massive with elements thats y the post was created first place xd
Moved to Have Been Added, due to the latest update (24 JULY 2023).
The timer doesn't change color when it is running out if enabled (in your video IV options).