Do you believe there is anything that's good or bad about it?
What are the pros and cons in war?
Since there is always a war going on, what are your opinions about it and why do you think people fight wars?
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Do you believe there is anything that's good or bad about it?
What are the pros and cons in war?
Since there is always a war going on, what are your opinions about it and why do you think people fight wars?
I think wars are gay ._ . and people have wars because they have differences that they cant solve, unfortunately ;o
I agree with that aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Se7en
However, if a country for no reason victamises another country, how else could this be resolved?
So allowing someone to slaughter their people is no reasons to go to war? So if war is "gay" then ultiately
fighting against Hitler was "gay".
but there is always another option ...other than war; for example mass suicide :)
imo: it is obvious that wars are always no good since more war leads to more hatred in the world which creates a cycle of hatred. Even though countries have enacted peace treaties, there will be people who will hate the other people living in the other nations.
Wars occur because there are people in the world who want to have more superiority over the other nations. Wars can be about the fight of different races, but who knows.
Wars will never stop since not everyone is happy with each other in the world and fighting is always a part of survival regarding any form of life. Animals, human beings, etc.
war is gayQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
retaliation with reason isnt.
fighting against hitler isnt gay, what hitler did is gay.
gaygaygaygay
anyways, most countries go to war because they can make money that way. Since companies are continually producing and etc. But ya, war is rly shitty.
Military action is required to save more lives then that of it's cost.
I don't think you are mature enough to realize the reasons for war.
So you're telling me if someone is taking away everything you love and is destroying your homes you would refuse to fight back because you think war is "Gay".
If anyone or any military is trying to take my family/friends/home away by force I will fight back.
If you take the war on Iraq for example, do you really think the MAIN reason for it was to fight the taliban?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
I don't know so I have no opinion on it, nor do you. Only a handful of people know the true answer to that and its neither one of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
guys, its all about religion
:P simply because of differences and the complications with it -one wants this, the other wants that and one cant get this without the other not getting that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joobie
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Originally Posted by Ricardo
o.0 how is it all about religion, a war over territory can't be about religion.
Elaborate your thoughts please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardo
It was United States of America's greed for having more money imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
There are too many reasons for war to generalize it into one.
Ex: Lybia, you're telling me that there should not be war and that Kadafi should continue unchallenged? Fyi: The Invasion of outside forces was French lead.
@Asian, that is the worse conspiracy theory I've ever heard, and I've listen to alot of them.
actually asian is right.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
the only reason they were in iraq is for the money/oil. It's not like they got anything done.
Proof please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparks
If that's the case, then you are really delusional and gulliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
Prove to me that that was the sole reason.... and If I was "gullible" wouldn't I just agree with you because I honestly don't know the reason. So because I don't know the reason I won't sit there and pretend as I do, unlike you. Anyone who dislikes the U.S. will be anything negative about it, so of course you would believe that. Yet I'm the "gullible" one.... give me a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
Edit: So if the reason was to invade Iraq for oil then why is Iraq number six on the top oil imports to the U.S.? Why wouldn't we go for Saudi Arabia, because they have even more oil then Iraq? http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html
I said in my OPINION, which is appreviated as imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
So by criticising my opinion as a conspiracy theory, makes your reading skills laughable for anyone that understands English, including PlanB.
If it wasn't for the money, than why else would America have invested so much money and lives on the war?
You can have an opinion just don't make insults after it unless you want a negative response.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
If I had to guess I'd say that it was to help the county have a better life. Saddam was killing off his people like crazy in Iraq and after that the radicals where doing the same.
Clearly oil was the reason for America to go to war, that's all they care about, their economy wasn't doing so good even then so they had to go to war to gain more oil spaces which would of helped them eased their debt on a long term, too bad American banks were so shit we had to bail them out.
Who is the we in that? Also I'd like to see proof on this. It wouldn't make since for the U.S. to invade Iraq for oil when Saudi is right next to it and has way more oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absorb
We, e.g. the person had to bail out the American banks because they were too stupid not to know that they were lending money to people who could not pay it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
"It wouldn't make since for the U.S. to invade Iraq for oil when Saudi is right next to it and has way more oil." Lol... was Saudi in war that time? No, if USA wanted to take over them for oil, the other countries wouldn't stay quiet, therefore using Iraq was a better option as they were in war with the rest of the world already.
Give me a lil' Iraq history lession so I can confirm you know what you're talking about because I don't think you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absorb
Edit: Better yet, tell me what was happening in Iraq prior to the invasion.
The U.S. economy fell along side many other countries too, not just by our selves.
Maybe I should give you a economics/Modern History lesson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
The reason why other countries fell was because a domino effect. The USA had lent lots of money to many countries in the past. When them dumb bankers were loaning out mortgages to many people who couldn't pay it back, their property were regained but no one was looking to buy houses those time so they were nearly worthless. Due to the bank not having enough money to keep their cycle going, the US had asked for their loans to many countries such as England etc. All these countries didn't have the money in order to repay this which has led to the recession leaving most countries who had loans from USA in the recession. Conclusion? The US brought most of the world in the recession, everyone knows this.
Then if this is true then why would the rest of the world be so "dumb" enough to send out their money with the risk of their own collapsing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Absorb
Once loans are asked for with immediate effect, you cannot do anything but pay it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
So if other countries saw the U.S. economy fail then why would they wan't to help out? Wouldn't they want to see the U.S. crumble?Quote:
Originally Posted by Absorb
..... The US had loaned out money to many countries... the US wanted to recall all their loans back but the money they had loaned were too much for certain countries which led to their economy crumble also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
And now why would the U.S. loan out money to other countries? Also, if the U.S. economy fell and created a domino effect don't that mean the U.S. is the center of the world's economy? ^^ Why would the "world" allow that to happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Absorb
Anyway, this is my last post here. People will hate the U.S. until it falls.... which won't happen in our generation.
Use your common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
America is part of the U.N, therefore they just can't declare war on any countries they wish, they need to have a good reason for having a war.
Now, when the 9/11 occurred, this gave the U.S the perfect oppurtunity to have a war with Iraq, where they wouldn't get in trouble for; as I believe they used Sudan as a excuse, when really they were fighting with the prize of oil/money in their eyes.
Furthermore, you saying why don't America war Saudi Arabia for oil, reflects your poor geography skills. Saudi Arabia is a wealthy and strong country not like Iraq, it also has strong connections with the USA, which is one of the many reasons why USA did not war Saudi.
From this argument, I have learnt that no amount money nor victory can be profited for the amount of lives and money that are lost during war.
Recessions happen all the time. It's just a part of the business cycle, there's ups and there's downs.
Blaming international failures on the US is just a scapegoat.
The US loaned out money to other countries way before e.g. the Altanic charter in WW2 where Roosevelt and Churchill had a meeting while lending £3 billion to the UK... 3 billion isn't a big deal for countries debts now but £3 billion were a lot more back then. All these debts were old but they weren't being paid so interest kept rising, so many countries owed a massive amount of money to the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
Sorry for double post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
This is a different type of recession, this is the world's economy recession. Recession happens in countries but the whole world was at recession with the accept ion of India, China and Brazil. This was caused by USA, every economic/history/maths student should know this, if the American banks weren't so dumb giving houses to 70 year old people, this wouldn't have happened.
The US attacked Afghanistan after al qaeda attacked which was 9/11Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
Iraq was shortly after.
Get your facts straight.
This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absorb
I lied, this is my last post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
The war was on "terror" not Iraq or Afghanistan. The U.S. never declared war with either of the two countries.
I was explaining why America had war with Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
Why don't you learn to read before making dumb assumptions, for your benefit I didn't say America attacked Iraq first.
Sir Wolfman, stop talking and just google before u talk
War on terror is the biggest bullshit i ever heard.
"Hey lets invade other countries so they dont terrorize ours!!! derrdahuurrr"
war... you think people are fighting for freedom, homes, lives etc. but the truth is diffrent. war has always and will always be about money and profit. do you think america is diffrent then the taliban is? they are both the same because there are both doing the same thing. fighting. killing innocents. making propaganda about how "good" their causes are
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Originally Posted by AsianThunder
Nuff Said.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
Learn2ReadWhatUWrote<3
US didn't attack Iraq because of 9/11
Go google.
Stopping the Weapon "Merchendisement" will most likely cease the Wars because there are no Weapons to use.
War brings our technology advancement 4x better. we wuldnt have cars like we do now if it wasnt for WWI and WWII and Vietnam. We wouldnt have planes or jets like we do now either.
BUT
War also brings death, sadness, and can cause more problems with other countries.
I think you need to learn what I wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
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"Now, when the 9/11 occurred, this gave the U.S the perfect oppurtunity to have a war with Iraq"
Can't you understand I wasn't trying to say USA had war with Iraq first, instead of trying to interpret what I said as USA having war with Iraq first, what a sad ignorant kid.Quote:
I was explaining why America had war with Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia.
Why don't you learn to read before making dumb assumptions, for your benefit I didn't say America attacked Iraq first.
Now quit the **** riding.
@legit, so did you think the wars was worthit?
All of this is subjective, no one will know if they had used the 9/11 as a excuse to attack Iraq. So statements such as "US didn't attack Iraq because of 9/11" may in invalid but also valid at the same time, in the end it's all subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
War in general is bad, on some occassions it's the best thing to do.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absorb
At least someone knows how to have a respectful debate, Unlike people like Asianthunder who immediately start to flame :(
Thanks Absorb.
Wars are fun.
Today's war is just about the trade.
They use weaponry and machinery because it'll go to waste,
but in the end they conquer something valuable.
Real war is about emotion that they can't control.
I don't respect you in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
@Aderz - I don't think anything that's gained after wars is valuable, comparing it to all the sacrifices that were made.
That's clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
Most kids don't have any respect, they haven't learned yet, mommy needs to teach you.
War's are for squares.
its bad kthnx
Wars are made for territory which is very substantial especially when it comes to resources like oil, mines, natural, human, land/water resources, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
Other than materials are Pride, Respect, Peace, Freedom, Slavery, and Expansion(Nationality Gain).
Rebellion of War is more about emotion of oppression.
(This is a debate on wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
Not an debate about Asianthunder's flaws.
You said enough irrelevant things already.
Instead of searching for facts on google, try searching tutorials on how to debate.)
@Faith, what do you mean by wars are for squares?
Yeah I haven't googled anything yet, but clearly you need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
Anyways I don't need any tips on how to debate from you, because flaming isn't debating.
War is a way for countries to make income. Production of weapons and war equipment opens many jobs for the unemployed. More people working means the government makes more money in taxes, so they can invest more in the economy.
The goverment pays for all of those jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
Therefore, the goverment is loosing more than his gaining.
Do you think this a sustainable way of generating income?
They pay to create the job. then Quickly make the money back through taxation.Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder
But no, I don't think its a substantial way of creating income, nor is it moral.
:(
Regardless of anyones idea on war it will be around until mankind dies out.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
More like until we all kill ourselves in a nuclear war.
We are no better then primitive animals, we kill for what we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gianpaolo
That is true, however, we have morals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Wolfman
Animals can't distinguish between right and wrong.
Well I didn't mean literally xDQuote:
Originally Posted by AsianThunder