Could all wars be avoidable?

I don't know about you guys, but I occasionally day-dream about having a utopian world where we all
can live in without killing each other, on the scale of war. It must be scary when you're still young and
there's a draft waiting to pick you up and take you away and you're unwilling to fight. I know for a fact,
some people are stupid. And sometimes, stupid people get elected as a president, leader, dictator... Whatever
you call it, they end up screwing everything good their country once had and makes everyone suffer because
of their stupidity. And if people are really dumb or ignorant, they'll blame their next leader for the huge mess
that lingers from the previous leader.

But I know it sometimes requires instant action of the good leaders to negotiate or stop the cause of
a bad leader who is looking for a fight. Especially in this day of technology where we have very dangerous
weapons it must be kept in the right hands, not the wrong or stupid. I would prefer no such weapons exist in the
first place, but if we didn't they would? Y'know. Oh about what I said about leaders
being elected.. I forgot to note.. Some places, people are forced to elect a certain leader under harsh
punishment if they don't. Very unfortunate. My mother had to go through that and they really didn't have a choice.

I hate pride, not the clan, but the meaning itself when it is undeserved or stands on
no righteous grounds. Like to North Korea, if they're so proud of their country, why do they have kids starving and
dying, and people poorly medicated. You know what I mean? But with those people, it's mainly the people in control
who's at fault, I don't know if their people isn't brainwashed to the point where they don't know how to disagree with
anything their leaders say.

Main debate

So back to the main point. Do you think wars could be avoidable, or do you think this is just human nature or something else?
Please don't include any conspiracies that fly through the internet to make any point. Just opinions and
what or why you think of. And don't bring up religion. This has nothing to do with it. We already know it's bad.

It's easily avoidable, we all just stupid:)

we can, every war is about power & money..

We obviously can't were humans you dummie.

what kind of a world is a world without war.. and besides what you imagine isnt true. keep imagining

i'm to lazy to read all of that....

but i don't think we can

If you want to avoid wars you are a very stupid person that knows nothing about our planet and it's population limits. Wars, diseases, genocide, murder and so on help the planet to control the population size.

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Originally Posted by affairs

If you want to avoid wars you are a very stupid person that knows nothing about our planet and it's population limits. Wars, diseases, genocide, murder and so on help the planet to control the population size.

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i guess theres too many people on earth now, lets start a war?

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Originally Posted by Hype

i guess theres too many people on earth now, lets start a war?

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lets go

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Originally Posted by Hype

i guess theres too many people on earth now, lets start a war?

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Are you aware of the world around you? There are civil wars all around Africa...

Living in an economy, wars will be hard to avoid because we are supply and trade based, being competitive.
Example: War for Oil
Just how I look at it.

its not like theres something we can do to stop it as we are just internet kids who dont really do anything >.<

It all comes down to a simple rule of nature. Every thing that starts must end in order for new things to happen. War and conflict are destruction of old things and from wars new things are born. Sure we can avoid some conflicts but eventually a bigger war will errupt and will change everything anyway. Its the just the cicle of life. Everything will begin and end to make room for something new.

to many people on this earth, and to many with a violent nature. not all wars can be avoided, unless you change the human DNA.

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Originally Posted by affairs

Are you aware of the world around you? There are civil wars all around Africa...

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Stop being pointless.

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Originally Posted by affairs

Are you aware of the world around you? There are civil wars all around Africa...

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You just said wars are okay to help controling overpopulation. Like seriously?

The thing is we waste too much money on weapons. We have enough weapons to kill every single person in the world 100,000 times. We're not gods, or cats.. we only die once not 50 not 200 not 100000 times. People are stupid, and power hungry, they will do what ever it takes to maintain power, and leadership of their country.

we cant avoid it bcoz...
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If women ruled the world, there wouldn't be any wars.

Just lots of jealous countries not communicating with each other.

Some? It's possible.
All? No chance.

as long as there are men, there is war

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Originally Posted by JohnB

If women ruled the world, there wouldn't be any wars.

Just lots of jealous countries not communicating with each other.

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HAHAHAHAHA there would be more wars believe me LOL

Lol, not to be sexist, but have you seen women fighting in schools and stores? I've seen it and it ain't no pillow fight.
And Pickachuuuu you're dead-on on the main idea/reason we have war or what's it for. Ideas and people change.. You cannot be surprised.. why it happens.
Circle of life.. I mean we see it all the time, but dismiss its purpose. I think however, no matter what changes, majority of us all still hate war to some extent.
It may remain as a fantasy to picture a harmonious way of life with people all around us, but who knows what we can accomplish. History is key to the answer.
We learn from our mistakes, fix the issue, and prevent it from ever happening again.

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i guess theres too many people on earth now, lets start a war?

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Humans are animals that keep ruining the nature and the world. I am obviously against wars, violence can be useful but not always. People should use it only in certain grave cases,I really think it's not so necessary. Since we've got a mouth and a voice to speak with enemies should just make agreements with each other and everyone should just express their own opinion and choose the best one. Respect is basic, so is patience..and so is democracy?
But it's too late now, the world is already fuked up.

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Originally Posted by popsicle

I don't know about you guys, but I occasionally day-dream about having a utopian world where we all
can live in without killing each other, on the scale of war. It must be scary when you're still young and
there's a draft waiting to pick you up and take you away and you're unwilling to fight. I know for a fact,
some people are stupid. And sometimes, stupid people get elected as a president, leader, dictator... Whatever
you call it, they end up screwing everything good their country once had and makes everyone suffer because
of their stupidity. And if people are really dumb or ignorant, they'll blame their next leader for the huge mess
that lingers from the previous leader.

But I know it sometimes requires instant action of the good leaders to negotiate or stop the cause of
a bad leader who is looking for a fight. Especially in this day of technology where we have very dangerous
weapons it must be kept in the right hands, not the wrong or stupid. I would prefer no such weapons exist in the
first place, but if we didn't they would? Y'know. Oh about what I said about leaders
being elected.. I forgot to note.. Some places, people are forced to elect a certain leader under harsh
punishment if they don't. Very unfortunate. My mother had to go through that and they really didn't have a choice.

I hate pride, not the clan, but the meaning itself when it is undeserved or stands on
no righteous grounds. Like to North Korea, if they're so proud of their country, why do they have kids starving and
dying, and people poorly medicated. You know what I mean? But with those people, it's mainly the people in control
who's at fault, I don't know if their people isn't brainwashed to the point where they don't know how to disagree with
anything their leaders say.

Main debate

So back to the main point. Do you think wars could be avoidable, or do you think this is just human nature or something else?
Please don't include any conspiracies that fly through the internet to make any point. Just opinions and
what or why you think of. And don't bring up religion. This has nothing to do with it. We already know it's bad.

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i think you would feel sad if i pointed out all of the assumptions and false statements in this post.

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Originally Posted by Bunnychaser

i think you would feel sad if i pointed out all of the assumptions and false statements in this post.

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Go ahead. I'm not perfect. Tell me what I said is wrong. Share your side please :)

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Originally Posted by popsicle

It must be scary when you're still young and
there's a draft waiting to pick you up and take you away and you're unwilling to fight.

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You are not unwilling when your choices are prison for life or fighting.

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Originally Posted by popsicle

And sometimes, stupid people get elected as a president, leader, dictator...

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Dictators are not elected. People are not given a chance to vote.
They're under a completely different system than you are thinking of.
Half the time, they don't even think about having another leader, because they know it could never happen.
You don't think about America turning to communism, do you? No, because it will never happen.

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Originally Posted by popsicle

And if people are really dumb or ignorant, they'll blame their next leader for the huge mess
that lingers from the previous leader.

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Never has a leader that I've ever heard of say that the last leader or the leader after their reign was responsible for anything counter-productive.
No one wants to place blame on anyone, or there would be unnecessary conflict.

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Originally Posted by popsicle

Especially in this day of technology where we have very dangerous
weapons it must be kept in the right hands, not the wrong or stupid.

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It's not stupid to rule with an iron fist, or 'carry a big stick,' they have been proven to work for much longer than democracy and freedom have proven themselves.

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Originally Posted by popsicle

Like to North Korea, if they're so proud of their country, why do they have kids starving and
dying, and people poorly medicated.

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I'm not even going to discuss N.K. with you.
The fact is, there's nearly no evidence that kids are starving, they are so counter-communication.
Anything you say about them has no basis beyond rumors. The same goes to me.

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Originally Posted by popsicle

But with those people, it's mainly the people in control
who's at fault, I don't know if their people isn't brainwashed to the point where they don't know how to disagree with
anything their leaders say.

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'Brainwashed' is not the term you are trying to use.
'Brainwashed' implies that they, at one point, understood that they could be away from their leaders jurisdiction.
They were never taught that they COULD disagree.
I return to my previous point; they don't even know that they can disagree.

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Originally Posted by popsicle

Do you think wars could be avoidable, or do you think this is just human nature or something else?
Please don't include any conspiracies that fly through the internet to make any point. Just opinions and
what or why you think of. And don't bring up religion. This has nothing to do with it. We already know it's bad.

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People want power. People do things for power. That's all war is, another way to get power.
The only way people will stop causing wars is if everyone was under the reign of one impossibly strict being.

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Originally Posted by Bunnychaser

The only way people will stop causing wars is if everyone was under the reign of one impossibly strict being.

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And even that wouldn't work.
Rebellions throughout the world would be happening.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to stop wars.

War is definitively a blessing in disguise.
War is amazing for the economy and for population control whether it be on purpose or not.
At this point war will continuously go on forever. As long as we're different, we will fight.

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Originally Posted by .Repent

And even that wouldn't work.
Rebellions throughout the world would be happening.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to stop wars.

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Key word: Impossibly.

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Originally Posted by Bunnychaser

The only way people will stop causing wars is if everyone was under the reign of one impossibly strict being.

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Key word: Impossibly.

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Bunny, if someone is too strict, people are going to rebel.
It's just a fact.

Hard to hear, but you are quite true on all parts I suppose. I don't try to be literal with everything..
Like when I mentioned a dictator.. I merely meant to mention types of leaders, but that is my fault for not clarifying..
Not the most important thing in my opinion.. Also should consider what I read and write will be read
by someone else and they'll get a different answer or definition.
And I guess there is a time to fight for everything... Wish there was no reason to fight in the first place though..

The point is you get the debate. I merely expressed my opinion and whatever knowledge
I may know or deem to be true in a way to express what I 'think' I know.
But I'm sure you knew that. I will at times be "ignorant" on certain cases.
With that in mind, what do you think about the situations of war as they come and go?
As you mentioned, if everyone was under the reign of one impossibly strict being..
It's hard to say if that will work. I could see the same thing happening, as a power-hungry being, regardless of their race/species/etc.
Isn't the nature of power, it will make you seek more? That's probably greed. At least I see it that way.
If that were true, perfection would have to exist. But we all know there is no such perfection anywhere.
Hence it brings what we mentioned about nature or circle of life. It may start really good, but could end in a different direction.

Here's a quote from a book that I supposed to be reading:
"
If history is a "seamless web," then the present, the future,
and the past must all be parts of one uncut, uninterrupted fabric. No individual, therefore, can completely escape his past, nor any nation.
This fact has especial significance for the United States, whose policy grows out of the will of a democratic society and must, over the long
run, reflect the will of the peoples." A quote from a book in 1956. Where's our democracy? We don't want war.

Ah but I see you said just to stop war, but it won't last forever, which I'm not saying you don't know, but that it wouldn't last. We will fall
again into another recession of whatever is to come. I'm just adding to the topic..
"It's not stupid to rule with an iron fist, or 'carry a big stick,' they have been proven to work for much longer than democracy and freedom have proven themselves."
Hehe you were talking about communism right? :3 Well yeah but I totally disagree with the genocides and crimes they commit. We supposed to aim for an easy life for all. :(
It's morally unacceptable..
From what I learned from this thread, more and more it seems impossible to avoid >__<; We should try to at all costs... though.. What's the worst that can happen? Besides the economic side and whatnot.

I don't blame you if you don't want to read this wall of text

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Originally Posted by .Repent

Bunny, if someone is too strict, people are going to rebel.
It's just a fact.

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People didn't rebel against Hitler. Because if you didn't join the socialist party, you died.

BTW: communism really isnt that bad.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/08/qu...ist-party-usa/

Communism does not imply any type of terrorism.

Are you kidding me? Say that to anyone who was under control by Soviet Union! That is if they follow your definition of communism.
Just ask any Polish person -_- They had curfews.. Forced them to learn Russian. Lenin was pissed when he "saved" Poland from Germany
and thought the countries would go communist with their country, which they didn't. In turn, he started to take control and there
was little the other "super powers" could say or do about it due the special circumstances i.e. cold war. I know Poland and Russia has been
at each other's necks back in 1800s/1900s. They "claim" Ukraine is their's. The Polish president along with military officials mysteriously died
in an accident not too long ago on a plane with his wife when they went to go see a place in Russia that is said where they executed Polish
people and have no records of the numbers, and their deaths was blamed on the smoke from the volcanoes? Or something like that? Hell no.
We all know what happened. It's just undeniable because of the long hate. Even if they aren't officially communist, there's still a lot of tension today.
I know I went over my head talking about other stuff, but like in this case.. They used harsh tactics along with fear to keep communism driving along until it collapsed
thankfully on my birth year. Has there has been one instance where communism was used for "good" or put in a proper or good way so far in history? It's all been bloodshed.

Am I not right? And what happened when parents said anything bad about the government or leaders?
The kids had to snitch to the military or some official so they can take them away.
And! To top it off. Communism was accomplish in Russia peacefully. They killed millions of their own people... And that goes no different for China.
There's the huge distinction between democracy and communism. Democracy wasn't as bad as to sacrifice as communism did. And also the families involved with the communist government make up the majority of the wealthy.. Is that fair? Equal?

Uhh maybe I'm talking a little out of context with "war"? Democracy may not be as pure as it once was, but it has/had the best way of living.
Liberty or death, y'know? What's the point in living if you can't live the way you want? You're no different than being dead honestly.
Also: People living in countries of the post-soviet union were rated in the lowest level of happiness globally compared to the other countries in the world.

USA > All

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Originally Posted by popsicle

Are you kidding me? Say that to anyone who was under control by Soviet Union! That is if they follow your definition of communism.
Just ask any Polish person -_- They had curfews.. Forced them to learn Russian. Lenin was pissed when he "saved" Poland from Germany
and thought the countries would go communist with their country, which they didn't. In turn, he started to take control and there
was little the other "super powers" could say or do about it due the special circumstances i.e. cold war. I know Poland and Russia has been
at each other's necks back in 1800s/1900s. They "claim" Ukraine is their's. The Polish president along with military officials mysteriously died
in an accident not too long ago on a plane with his wife when they went to go see a place in Russia that is said where they executed Polish
people and have no records of the numbers, and their deaths was blamed on the smoke from the volcanoes? Or something like that? Hell no.
We all know what happened. It's just undeniable because of the long hate. Even if they aren't officially communist, there's still a lot of tension today.
I know I went over my head talking about other stuff, but like in this case.. They used harsh tactics along with fear to keep communism driving along until it collapsed
thankfully on my birth year. Has there has been one instance where communism was used for "good" or put in a proper or good way so far in history? It's all been bloodshed.

Am I not right? And what happened when parents said anything bad about the government or leaders?
The kids had to snitch to the military or some official so they can take them away.
And! To top it off. Communism was accomplish in Russia peacefully. They killed millions of their own people... And that goes no different for China.
There's the huge distinction between democracy and communism. Democracy wasn't as bad as to sacrifice as communism did. And also the families involved with the communist government make up the majority of the wealthy.. Is that fair? Equal?

Uhh maybe I'm talking a little out of context with "war"? Democracy may not be as pure as it once was, but it has/had the best way of living.
Liberty or death, y'know? What's the point in living if you can't live the way you want? You're no different than being dead honestly.
Also: People living in countries of the post-soviet union were rated in the lowest level of happiness globally compared to the other countries in the world.

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No, you are not right.

A perfect communism does not exist, but I would prefer a perfect communism over a perfect democracy.
I'm sure you would, too.

"to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order."

This means that everyone owns everything, and no one has power over another. You want to use your friend's Lamborghini? Sure! They want to borrow the keys to your house for a day? Sure! Why would you go against your neighbor for his stuff if you already have everything he has? Everyone works the same and earns the same money to buy the same items. You want to do your friends job? Sure! There's enough people in the world to do your job for the day, you can do your friend's! Everyone will work, because what else can you do? Go get drunk? No, in this perfect society, you have everything you want, what's the point in getting drunk? Forgetting about your fantastic life?
This is the ultimate goal of communism. It is impossible in our world today, but if there is ever a possibility of it being achieved, consider me a communist.

To follow up; socialism is not communism.

Socialism is, 'You only get what you need.'
Communism is, 'EVERYONE gets what they need AND what they want.'
Communism is a perfect society, with a 'superabundance of material wealth.'

"In Marxist theory, pure communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely associated individuals."

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No, you are not right.

A perfect communism does not exist, but I would prefer a perfect communism over a perfect democracy.
I'm sure you would, too.

"to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order."

This means that everyone owns everything, and no one has power over another. You want to use your friend's lamborghini? Sure! They want to borrow the keys to your house for a day? Sure!

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But no one would strive for a greater cause,since everyone is getting paid the same it would be pointles to be a doctor because you would receive the same pay as a guy who farms beans.

I think if they had two classes one superior one regular,the government takes care of everyone(superior) and the public are thr regulars.

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But no one would strive for a greater cause,since everyone is getting paid the same it would be pointles to be a doctor because you would receive the same pay as a guy who farms beans.

I think if they had two classes one superior one regular,the government takes care of everyone(superior) and the public are thr regulars.

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I edited my post to explain just this situation.

Your idea is more of a socialist/totalitarian ideal.
Totalitarianism is more of a 'Government says everyone gets 5$. Government says you work HERE and he works THERE.'

You follow it because you are controlled by the mass media to believe it's an awesome idea! And if you don't XX happens. The government can do WHATEVER they want.
Totalitarianism is quite literally TOTAL GOV'T CONTROL.

Oh i see now.

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Originally Posted by Bunnychaser

People didn't rebel against Hitler. Because if you didn't join the socialist party, you died.

BTW: communism really isnt that bad.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/08/qu...ist-party-usa/

Communism does not imply any type of terrorism.

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If there was ANY type of Rebellion in Hitlers era, the rebellion would be shot and killed no questions asked.

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If there was ANY type of Rebellion in Hitlers era, the rebellion would be shot and killed no questions asked.

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Because Hitler did not run a communist society.
He ran a despotic socialist society.

Note: The Nazi Party stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Lol I think I learned something~ Well I once had an idea of communism in such a way.. But I'm just worried about the expectancy of our lives.
Will we be happy if we had everything? If we all never got drunk and did everything willy nilly as it is said to be.. I just.. I can't imagine such a place.
It sounds great.. But the end result is uncertain. With the idea of never getting drunk.. Does that have a strict law enforcing it that includes behaving a certain way?
If not we will still slit each other's necks, otherwise, as it is hard to say seems like a dull life. Like how Moh put it... Don't we gotta strive for something?
But as it just can only remain as an idea for something to exist in "perfection" it still seems a bit.. Missing something.. Taking stuff as you please doesn't seem like it
has balance even though it is everyone's right. If you take something, you gotta give something. No doubt in my mind. Unless it's charity..
I'll be back in 16~20 hours.

You're very knowledgeable btw, where did you learn all this stuff?

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Lol I think I learned something~ Well I once had an idea of communism in such a way.. But I'm just worried about the expectancy of our lives.
Will we be happy if we had everything? If we all never got drunk and did everything willy nilly as it is said to be.. I just.. I can't imagine such a place.
It sounds great.. But the end result is uncertain. With the idea of never getting drunk.. Does that have a strict law enforcing it that includes behaving a certain way?
If not we will still slit each other's necks, otherwise, as it is hard to say seems like a dull life. Like how Moh put it... Don't we gotta strive for something?
But as it just can only remain as an idea for something to exist in "perfection" it still seems a bit.. Missing something.. Taking stuff as you please doesn't seem like it
has balance even though it is everyone's right. If you take something, you gotta give something. No doubt in my mind. Unless it's charity..
I'll be back in 16~20 hours.

You're very knowledgeable btw, where did you learn all this stuff?

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No, in a perfect communist society, there would be no laws. This is why it's impossible.

Imagine a society where everyone's on weed 24/7.

That's basically communism.