So obviously something has to be done about the 11 damage shotguns. Here are the options, vote for the best option in your eyes.
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So obviously something has to be done about the 11 damage shotguns. Here are the options, vote for the best option in your eyes.
atleast put higher delays. I mean they are way to low ._.
Option 2!
raise to 14 damage
Option one is the best in my opinion. They're way to strong. But I do think, that they should become cheaper.
I'll leave that one up to you guys.
or make em usable only in duels ,
as 1's name is duelisto shotgun
If you change the numbering of the shotgun, shouldn't people get some kind of refund?
7 clip, 10 dmg, same delay, less weight.
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6 clip, 10 dmg, lower delay, more weight
CAN YOU GUYS PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE LEAVE IT ALONE?
You don't realize it but the people that just purchased a 60day rent, let alone a perma purchase, will be upset. Besides, the forums isn't the majority.....
my opinion, go cry or buy them.
Good point.
I think adding one 11 damage, non-donor shotgun at level 1 ( extra weight and delay ?) would add some balance without messing with the current donation items.
Hey rash is it possible to make the 11 damage donor clips 5 and the 10 damage donor clips to 6? (considering that there are no 6 clip non donor shotty) 7 clips 10 damage in my mind too op if 11 damage are going to be reduced to only 5 clips.
Ive never tried the 11's but I think you should leave it bee because people are paying somewhere from 10-20$ for each one and thats not fair if they paid and you reduce the weapons stats
let them liek dis :D
peopel also payed for 50 clips of 8 hp/ap healing ub3r meds and 5 delay (idk the actual stats i didnt play v6 for that long but they were something around that) but in the end they got changed. If it improves the server by nerfing some items then its worth it. They arent going to lower the damage, just make it less op.
P.S. if we're really going to lower the 11 damage clips to 5, imo we should lower the clips of 10 damage shottys as well.
dont be silly -.-
we paid for the 11 dmg shotguns becouse they are 11 dmg! and now its not fair to reduce the weapons stats and its the exactly the same if some one paid 500$ for this shotgun that you are tlaking about then suddenly they changed it to 1 dmg,1clips etc? would that be fair?
I'm glad you're finally nerfing these things.
I think that the most powerful shotgun in the game should do no more than 9-10 damage. That's enough damage for spammers these days. Thanks for the initiative Rash.
Exactly and to all those crying to leave the shotguns alone - you're obviously very bad at this game.
So what, I spent 400 coins on these guns, I wouldn't mind if it's reduced because it's all for the better of the server.
The game shouldn't be about the person who is the most OP wins. Non-donors should and must have atleast a chance.
Anyways, just keep voting.
Or you guys could simple make a [ND] Tag. so that no donors what so ever could be used in a game with that tag in the title.
This is a pretty close poll. That's a bad thing.
the old donor shotgun design was much better!
99 dmg 100000000 delay pls
We didnt donate for the items, but to support the server..so why do you guys mind if they change the weapons :)?
ok ima change the messege then..
those 11s are making the game unfair for the other players,for example none donors.
in my personal opinion dont take the donor wep off cz you need donors to take care of the server but fix the problem,theres a reason why ppl are complaning about the 11s i mean wow 2 hits and you just die.
Why not make another shotty with diferents attributes? with the Donation shotgun is enough but you can make a another shotty with less weight more clip same demage
or less demage less delay 8 clip or something diff.
im just giving up my opinion and i donated to i got the 10s but wen i got to none donors room i surely take em off cz i know whats rage wen you get ownd by a full donor.
now you understand?
there'll never be a balance whenever there's donors, and there'll never be pservers if there aren't any donors.
and if non-donors get annoyed of donors, they either rage or quit which makes the pserver unpopulated.
so, tell me, how you gonna deal with that?
i love your point i really do and you think the same way i do because the reason i donated it was because of getting ownd by donors and i keep getting ownd.
but is like you say There can never be a balanced server with donors but there cant be a pserver without em to.
I believe you should just get rid of these shotguns. Refund everyone back. I feel the most reasonable shotgun with some advantage is the 10s. 11s+ the 750delay is ridiculous.
make em 10 dmg, same delay, and more ammo.
i think you can delete that shotguns completly...
they useless in my eyes
LOL IF U CHANGE IT THEN GIVE PPL REFUNDS. PPL DIDN'T WASTE 20$ ON 2 SG'S THAT WOULD END UP BEING COMPLETELY SHIT.
i myself didnt buy them cus over priced but for the ppl who did should get refunds. Just like the element it's completely shit with 2 massives and 1 slash =dead. Leave it alone or refund thats my opinion. Or delete + refund.
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Completely Agree with Bulba.
@Rash ofc you would give up 400 coins for the "well being" of the server, your obvly a gm and have been 1 for a long time.
Most of us aren't here to "enhance" the server and just wanna play. Not every1 would like to give 20$ away for free to a server they aren't committed to.
remove phix's vote he's banned plz
My vote goes to Option 1, as that is how the 11's were balanced during the first days of Version 7.
Also guys (everyone who's talking about refunds), keep this in mind:We're still not sure what to do about the 11-damage-shotguns, but we're sure that they're too unbalanced.Quote:
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I bought them just for the 11 dmg, and u guys are gonna remove the 11 damage? wow.. keep it 11 dmg >.< and dont change the ammo or anything, leav them as they are..
Well give everyone who bought them refound, or dont change anything with it.
If they are unbalanced then I want the 11 damage shotguns back to 10 damage. So it looks like I have 3 donor sgsQuote:
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Edit : I'm too slow, stephan & pikachuu said it before me.
And what about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlantica Sucks at LoL
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You Guys already took the med spamming away which is why most of every bought it, idc about medding :( just wanna be able to fill a map with meds in training. =-= At first they said they were gonna change the donor meds after v7 was released, they never got changed =-="
If the shotguns were the same as lvl99 shotguns I wouldn't have bought them in the first place :x. I mean I would have just leveled up and used those, there called donation weapons there not meant to be the same. I don't think there that OP that every has to complain about them, cause I still see people without them be just as pro or even more so. Just because a lot of you cant afford them now that its v7, doesn't mean you should kill our fun.
Ive bought like over 2k coins here maybe 3k o-o (During 6.8). I would never buy coins in v7 =-= am not rich. Although I want new items I cant afford them. =-= Lmao so let me keep the so called "op" items I have. =-=
I say no to both options D: /Nuffsaid.
Lmao! Btw that was because they took our rings away :/
out of all the comments i've read this is about the most ridiculous and stupid one yet. So because 11 damage shot guns are having a minor nerf you want a refund for ghost set and donor set? that arent changed at all? Refunds wont be given out cause technically you didnt buy a single thing from fgunz. You donated to help the server hence the word "donate" and you recieved coins as a thank you in return; then you bought items with the coins. But technically you didnt buy ANYTHING at all, the server doesnt have to give you fgunz coins for donors they choose to give it to you regardless if u donate to help the server or donate for the coins. Anonymous i dont think i've raged this hard over a simple comment but you are a complete and utter moron.
Donor weapons were ment for a slight advantage for those who have the, doesnt mean level 99 shouldnt have the same gear. If you're able to be level 1 and have the power of a level 99 i say thats a pretty damn big advantage. It was never said that donor weapons arent suppose to be the same as non donor weapons.
Haha noobs getting mad bc they cant win anymore hahahaa funny man
Moh you dirty bastard >< you and that small dagger of yours (: too op, make all daggers 10000 delay and 0 damage please (: nerf moh!
I still think adding one non-donation 11 dmg sg at level one with extra weight and delay will balance out. =/
how about leave the donors alone they are called donors for a reason, and just increase the atk of the non donor things so instead of like 9 dmg being highest make it the same as the old donor shottie but higher delay. (i didnt read the whole thing so if any 1 post something like this my bad)
No, I think they are a little too OP, but I think don't change them MUCH.
@Rash, Me and Fatz beat you and Bashy in cw FACTORY no lames. I used 10 damage SG'S 153/127 and 1 pack of donar meds. I think u were using 11s and so was bashy. So how is it that I use them so much?
Stax has a point!!
thats a great idea! instead of messing up the 11s edite the normal shottys! and make the game balanced i mean you need to get to level 99 to go again a level 10 with 10s ahaha such a huge unfair option hu?
well instead of messing the 11s just increase some atributs on normal sgs that way ppl wuld stop complaining and get a fair fight with donors because doin a 1v1 with a full donor AH AH HAHA HAHAH RIGHT easy?? hell no
i go with Stax idea
Agreed 100%. Best solution ever proposed.
Okay lets see, i donated 2 days ago and got those shotguns, as i tested both of them, i concluded that they are waaaay more unstable and harder to aim with than with the regular donation shotguns, this could be cause of the lower delays (i think they could be raised btw). About the damages, i think they shouldnt be nerfed because thats the point of why we donated 2x the price of each donor sg to get one of those lol...
All in all, i would say to just make the delay higher than the common donation shotguns. for example 900-1000. Keep the bullets as they are, and damage aswell.
There certainly are some unhappy donators right now. Might I suggest a compromise?
While some may argue that 11's aren't OP at all, it seems that the majority thinks otherwise (and this includes people that have the shotguns, so it isn't biased). Since the majority believes the shotguns are OP, then it is in the best interest of the community to nerf the 11's. In compensation, by law, the donators who purchased 11's should not be refunded anything; however, as caring Staff, it may be in your best interest to give them something. This something doesn't have to be FGunZ Coins. Since you can't purchase event coins, and technically, event coins are earned, perhaps you could offer some event points instead. There are numerous other compromises that don't have to lead to FGunZ Coins, and while you're not legally obliged to give your donators anything, it may be in your best interest to give them something, whatever that something may be.
Also, to the people asking for refunds, maybe if you asked a little nicer, and asked for something more reasonable than a refund, you might find positive feedback.
ok? donators spend 40$ on those ssgs and you aint gona give em something worth that???
isnt that a little WAAYY too rude??? The staff need to think this up and give thpse donators something they gona really like.
Damien yeah you understand our point.....i think is good enough to just leave the 11 but! balanced those normal sgs for none donor players beacuase alot of ppl are complaining about those 11s.....they have a huge advantage......they can kill you with less than 5 shots.....so yeah unfair things needs to be considered for none donors
well yeah 10s are just fine but those 11s are a pain the botton........well they need to considere a nice idea for none donors player and look for a balanced option
whynot make the 11's 10's and then change all other damages one lower
dude fg should add a sg with like 2 bullets and have it do like 20 damage or instant kill
U misunderstood me, the point is that the "feeling" while using those shotguns is worse than using the common donation ones, anyways, i think they should keep the 11 dmg shooties as they are, or maybe just raise their delays. This if they dont make the NO DONORS command.
You should just decrease the damage of every SG by one.. So they won't be OP, but they'll still have an advantage.
Shotguns have 10 bullets already. That's why the 11 damage shotguns can do 110 damage.
BTW: Take it from someone who shoots walls 24/7 and practices mechanics all the time. Anything less than 700 delay is pointless for RS. You can't RS any faster with 600 delay than you can with 700. In fact, you can do max speed RS with 750 delay. Of course, anything less than 600 and there's no more point to RSing, as you should just spam one gun at a time.
umm? ok? that guy said reduce the damage of every shotty by 1.
The point is to make the game balanced reducing those 11s or doing something about em.....if you reduce the 11s and reduce the normal damage 1 level below its gona be the same shit....its gona still be unbalanced cz you dint do noting......the point is to make something that can go against those 10s and 11s for none donor players because thats the point of this poll....1 other thing the poll says reduce the clip to 5 bullets.....what the point of reducing the clip wen the problem is the damage of those sgs........thats why ppl are complaning about those guns.....i my self have the 10s but i surely take em of wen im in a none donor room because i know how it feel to get own by donor weps....so yeah..i will give my opiniom again
Dont take those 11s away......just reduce the delay and make normals shottys a little more powerfull so none donors can defend their self.
get the donate sgs from 6,8 '---'
lol they cant do that
...What? I don't think you're comprehending what nerfing each shotgun in the game by 1 point will do.
As it is now, you can two-shot with well placed 11's in a Vanilla room. With 10's, you can not.
The only way it would be "the same shit" is if you nerf all the armor values by 10 points.
are you sure?
"Freestylers Crew reserves the right to change, edit and remove its donation items and rules at any time, for any reason, without notice"
http://fgunz.net/aboutdonations
Clearly states there that they can.
So you want the old donor weapons to be 9 damage? Im sure 1 more clip shot than any other donor is still an advantage.
Lol at the people raging over the future changes, the staff's just trying to make things a bit less unfair for everyone else, get over it.
The only issue with these guns is that it consists of a low delay + high damage combo, and one of those needs to be nerfed.
Either higher delay (equal to donor shotties) or just dropping it to 10damage would be fine.
The lower clip idea is also pretty cool, it'll force them hardcore potshot spam hoes to reload earlier.
I'd switch my vote from Option 2 to Option 1 if I could.
is it possible to restart the vote? considering that option 2 has changed? and keeping 11 damage shottys as 11 damage is no longer available
like i said just leave the 11s alone and change normal ones so it possible to kill people with(even tho there are ones thats good to kill people with for me and tiggur at least). im not seeing much of a difference btwn 11s and 10s cuz whocares if someone has the 11s and cant aim properly. ALOT of donors just out tank people with the worst aim they could have, so i dont think its shotgunz problem. (it might make difference but still on my point donors are called donors for a reason, and people donate for them for a reason).
so my suggestion is keep 11, change store gunz delays to 1000 from lvl 1-40 41-70 make them have a range of 850-950, 71-90 800-850, 90-99 make one thats the same as the 11 dmgs as in the delay but 10 dmg, and the rest range from 750-800. since 11s are 700 and they are donor items, they need to be a bit better than the rest, and the donor shotties should have a 850 delay if ur changing the delay of shotties ingame
raise the max hp for vanilla mode. it'll fix the 2shots
Do not make the shop weapons worse. It's already good as it is, don't nerf it even more. All the non-donors can't even kill the donors that often with the shop weapons currently, and what if you change the delay to 1000 of the lvl 1-40 sgs? lolwtf.
And yeah make an [ND] tag, and I'll keep wondering if [ND] will ever be used for TDMs and such when most of the population in FGunZ are donors, that's just like donors donating without a reason. And so, if they feel like they're donating for no reason when the [ND] tag is created, the donors themselves will create the room without the [ND] tag, and, as I said, most of the population in FGunZ are donors and the non-donors have no other chance but to join the room with donors and non-donors.
Let it bee!
People donate $20-$40 for a reason
Don't make people upset
Please don't think of non donors only ^^
• Non donors should either •
i. Beg or Ask from Parents
ii. Go work and earn money
iii. Train and Practice Aim till very PRO
I'm surprised there's people supporting 11's, considering 10's are op enough.
And everyone cares if someone has 11's and cant aim properly, because then they just spam.
It's definitely a shotgun problem when u get 4 shotted from across the map.
Donors should be something that allows you to achieve the best weapons in the game, without leveling up. So someone that's level 99 should be in the same position as one who has donor shotties. So instead of nerfing the shotties, we should boost em, mostly the higher level ones, so they have a chance against donor shotties.
Accuracy lower.
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Donation shotgun I & II:
Price: 100 FCoins
Damage 10
Delay 900
Magazine 7
Genesis Revenge & Duelisto Shotgun:
Price: 200 FCoins
Damage 11
Delay 700
Magazine 6
So, taking the time to compare the shotguns, you can get to the conclusion that Genesis and Duelisto have 2 advantages (damage and delay) and 2 disadvantages (price and magazine). Moreover, ive used both, regular donator shotguns, and genesis and duelisto, and i've seen that aiming with the last two is way harder than aiming with the regular ones, in spite of the control amount that is stated in the item shop (I & II: 45; against 100 of the Revenge and Duelisto).
All in all, i dont know what are you guys claiming about since its harder to play with Genesis & Duelisto than with I & II. I rather prefer to play with I & II than with 11's. So you guys should reconsider about crying about those if you have never played with them.
If you guys still want to nerf genesis and duelisto, i think you should maybe, make the delay higher or something, but not to change the damage since its in a lower position with I and II with the magazine clips and prize.
Thats my point of view as a player who tested all this shotguns.
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I wonder what the staff is thinking about......oh well 11s=unfair for none donors...thats all ima say becuase its the truth