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I understand such debate can bring problems, but lets try and act civilised so that we can express ourselves in the most peaceful way possible.
Some guidelines I would like to suggest:
Don't attack grammar, this is the lowest kind of come back.
Don't get too aggressive.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
As to keep everything a bit more on topic, the question is:
And I know this still is quite a big subject.
Is homosexuality bad or good?
Good.
Bad.
Mmmm such a touchy subject
Wether it's good or bad is a personal view, I don't have anything against them but I am uncomfortable around them.
To each his own.
This is gonna be locked and deleted so fast lmao.
As long as they don't get anywhere near my **** they're fine.
Just keep it to yourself and we are all good.
Okay kids, please be more specific and give some arguments as to why you think what you think.
In my opinion homosexuality is bad because:
Other than in special cases we have men and women, we do not have things in between.
The main goal of a species is to procreated and evolve and survive throughout time and to achieve this we need to procreate and it is simply not biologically possible for a man to have offspring with another man (not for now at least).
Good because they are respectfull people.
Debating sexuality is like debating smoking, the person doing it does it cause it feels fine to him yet everyone feels the need to shit on the guy's daily activity and habits.
This is what I believe. The concept of homosexuality is just wrong I mean they can't procreate and I was grown to be disgusted at these things. And ya, maybe its because of where I live. Jamaica is the most homophobic country in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
Well Offtopic atm.
Beinjg Gay , Transgender, Bi sexual doesnt mean u are Evil or what else u can make up.
a human is a human not a monster.
If you say your gay in jerusalem they will kick you out or beat you to death (certain parts)Quote:
Originally Posted by King of GunZ
No one said they were evil, they just think homosexual acts are disgusting...Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
Please stop twsting our words, we have at no point said this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
Some churches may have said this, but churches such as the Roman Catholic Church were also responsible for the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition xD
So they can't be who they wanna be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xypher
So they have to hide their Body language.?
Whichever church said this is wrong. In the bible it never mentions that homosexual people are "evil" you just shouldn't be homosexual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me...id2jo1_500.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
Honestly, stay off the topic. No one referenced hiding themselves.
I think my dog is gay, but thats a different story.
They can be whatever they want to be. Just get this, not everyone agrees with your views. If they think it's disgusting let them./..Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
Religion has a part to play in this but not a large one really. Sure Christians are disgusted at homosexuals, but Christianity is also filled with judgemental hypocrites and it is one of the main reasons for slavery. So really Christianity doesn't have a real part to play in someone not liking the acts of homosexuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
I know that and ill Respect that ofcourse o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Xypher
So what with you and trying to convince everyone that being homosexual is okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
ur serious.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xypher
rofl.
Made my point.
Mission Accomplished.
And what would make this so bad being homosexual?
If two are in love they should be together, it is the same thing with being straight.
Hm, Seems like Stephan is taking his time to read. Homosexuality is like smoking there are no legitimate reasons why it's okay except personal dependency/preference.
THANK YOU STEPHAN.
u get my point ^^.
Homosexuality isn't the same as being straight, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
Please infract yourself.
What? The Bible is not the book for alll churches so how can other churches be wrong if it doesn't say it in the bible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mime
However:
Leviticus 18:22
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Leviticus 20:13
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
Romans 1:26-28
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Let's not forget that the bible is very old. They use to kill people for being gay, they can't do that now. At least for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
I don't see where any of these say that being gay is EVIL.
wait i think u were suppose to quote stephan wot im confused '-'Quote:
Originally Posted by ekital
Of course The Bible is old and I don't agree with it, eventhough I admire it, it manage to get a shit tonne of naive people to agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mime
Abomination can be considered a synonym of "evil".
Screw the bible.
People can choose with who they want to be, whether if would be a male or female.
People should be free to choose their partner, not some old mindf*cking book.
Are you quoting the same bible that tells you to stone disobedient children to death?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
If you like something, you keep it. If you let it go, its gone. If it comes back, its yours <3
Maybe its not Evil but people may think its a Discgrace to our Society.
the death Penalty for Showing ur self to the Society is Critical u know ?
Source : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20463887
I must agree with this I am afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
If someone can find love in someone from the same sex, so be it.
But homosexuality is not meant to be natural, as i explained in my second post (my opninion).
The Bible is wrong on so many levels and so is the Christian religion, they have used the name of God to destroy civilizations and kill innocents.
Why is it not natural? Just so they cannot bring children to the world? Ever tho about gay people that adopt children that are left behind by their parents?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
Even animals can be gay (birds and fish are known to be gay in some species).
Let's look at the bible shall we:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."
Matthew 11:12
"11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: 12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."
Genesis 19:30-38
"34 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 35 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 36 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 37 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 38 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." "
............... yeah I don't think this is a very good debatable source for this information imho.
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Honestly there is not way to debate this topic. There is no good debate for being gay except it feels natural to the person and I think it's wrong to debate it further.
They are also the reason for slavery :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
Also, gays used to be stoned to death lol
Also, I like your sig.
If god didn't want people to be homosexual, he wouldn't have created this whole thing (For those believers).
Homosexuality is not bad, its not good. Its just out there and people have to accept it. Its not a decision they've made, it comes naturally because of god's beliefs on people.
And yes, the bible is ****ed up which is why I don't read it.
Some animals eat their own children, are we suppose to think that is normal behavior for humans? Don't compare us to animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
Most religions say that this life is some sort of a test. God didn't create homosexuals, the free will of man did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leopard
That's cause they see unearthly acts being performed by some people and think its natural lol. <--- Troll jajajaQuote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
But I've never heard of any animal being gay lol.
Also people keep talking shit about adopting. But facts is, if homosexuality continues, then there isn't going to be any children to adopt lmfao.
I am not sure if you are stupid or what...Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
First of all, we are talking about homosexuality and a very specific thing for that matter, we are trying to argue whether homosexuality is something good or not.
Most countries are able to give the death penalty, as far as I am concerned the death penalty is allowed by the Human Rights convention whilst on war.
You saying that Uganda gives the death penalty to homosexuals just shows the high aggressiveness in a part of the world that is still in the process of going out of tribal life.
Saying that Uganda condemns homosexuality just helps the idea that homosexuality is bad, seeing how people in parliament have passed a law to stop it.
Yes, it may be bad, but this is just because Uganda is a very aggressive country with a society of equally aggressive people.
it's not just one bookQuote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
it's 3 (not sure about the torah)
but in islam it's wrong to be homosexual.
Hmmm so ur saying : They deserve the death?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
Proof please. I know my ancestors were never apes. Maybe yours were but definitely not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
I hate when people say we evolved from monkeys and apes, that shit is stupid, how the **** did we learn to talk and all that shit we do?
I guess it is pointless to convince you kids that being gay is ok (for those who are gay).
If only a gay person could explain how they feel about it 'n stuff.
Just pointless.. feels like talking to a wall.
Ya he basically contradicted himself saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
Stephan im bi sexual ask me how i feel about it.
OFF TOPIC
Anyway, society is ****ed in so many ways homosexuality doesnt even matter anymore.
"Gay" Isn't an exact term. Gay means happy and homosexual. If they are "gay", they are proud to be homosexual and they are happy being so.
Continuing with society..
People call you gay, they are homophobic.
People dont see anything wrong with gays, Then they are gay.
Does that even make sense?
Personally I don't like it at all but it doesn't mean its bad or good. I'ts one persons opinion vs another's. It's kind of a double standard for me because I like CERTAIN ladies that are lesbians but I think men laying with men is repulsive. But there is nothing I can do about it so I don't bother to care much about it. When some one is in love there in love. If you don't want any part of Homosexuality don't put your self in the position where you're around it.
We're not saying that homosexuals deserve the death penalty in Uganda, we are not from there, nor have we been there. Being from a different part of the world we have different views and each has it to their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
Do you know how to read?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperShotty
I never condemned the death penalty.
I said that if a parliament (representatives of a country) think that homosexuality is wrong then it further proofs the point that homosexuality is bad, or at least in those people's opinion.
I would never wish the death of anyone, not even my worst enemy.
Actually this does. I always think people that advocate for them are gay themselves otherwise they wouldn't be so passionate about someone just saying "I'm homophobic". And everyone that is against them are actually homophobic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leopard
They are humans. No reason to be counted different.
Alright.
So the Kern of this Debate is.
Each and everyone has is own meaning about being gay or not. and if its good or bad.
Request to lock please.
best.post.on.this.thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel
Just saying I have nothing against people being homosexual but it does not make me a homosexual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leopard
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
^ ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by King of GunZ
And it just so happens that the only reason they can't talk about anything really is because there are more people on this thread who are homophobic.
These topics are ****ing stupid. Religion and Sexuality have been talked about, argued about, fought about, warred about, and died for for thousands of years. Just keep your personal beliefs to yourself. Who the **** cares man. As long as you don't attempt to convert me in either aspect, I'm good.
You talking about yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by King of GunZ
Perhaps Mime and Sinbad too, as looking at their previous posts.
Mhm. And Yoda and Xypher, etc. You can catch my drift.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
You're obviously looking to start more than just a debate.
This falls more under drama.
The question, "Is homosexuality bad or good" is completely irrelevant, because it can not be helped.
That's like asking if being black is bad or good.
Take it from a homosexual.
Too many people have established a stereotype or guided their wording to make it sound like they chose a life-style.
Attraction is a physical liking to.
That comes from things inside your body, like hormones.
It's not something we can simply control.
It's like love.
Love is an emotion, and we can not help who we fall in love with.
If you want to argue that, sure, we can choose who we talk to, but it's human and only natural to meet new people.
There are boys and girls that, as I like to call it, "dip their toes in the water" and experiment and REALIZE that they are gay or bisexual (Yes, bisexuality is a real thing)
I'm sorry, but I did not wake up one morning and promptly decide that I wanted 45% of America to dislike me because of my sexual preference.
That's just dumb.
#HomosexualsPOV
You can choose to be homosexual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quianmore
You can't choose to be black.
You seem to be the one trying to start shit by saying that I am trying to start shit o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by Quianmore
I have had nothing but a healthy argument in this thread, you are the one making accusations.
As for the arguments you have just given, they do not really have much to do with the question, other than the fact that homosexuality can make you happy, yes that is something good, I am not arguing against that.
However, as far as I am concerned homosexuals can not naturally conceive a child between them.
I wasn't saying you were starting shit intentionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
I'm simply stating, that making a thread like this, would cause more drama when you know whole-heartedly you have homosexual members here.
I wasn't directing the first stanza directly at you.
It's the thread subject in general.
Sorry for the confusion.
Uhm, no, you can choose to try things with people of the same gender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moh
Trying things doesn't make you a homosexual.
It just makes you curious, which is natural in all human beings.
Accepting same-sex sexual acts as a lifestyle, is something that comes with time.
Hitting puberty is the same, gay or straight.
Straight: Boys realize they want to see girls naked.
Gay: Boys realize they want to see boys naked.
It's development of the brain.
Tell me when you, "chose" to be straight.
You're going to come up with some crap answer, and I'm telling you right now.
You never chose to be straight.
It just came naturally.
I honestly have a problem with flamboyant gay people, its just disgusting and disturbing to look at. But if someone is chill and just happens to be gay, I don't give a shit, I will still feel uncomfortable though.
"You're obviously looking to start more than just a debate."Quote:
Originally Posted by Quianmore
That is a very obvious contradiction, at least get your mind straight before posting, entangling yourselve within your arguments can be very tricky.
Something more than just a debate doesn't immediately fall under the topic of, "starting shit."Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoda
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Originally Posted by Yoda
UhmQuote:
Originally Posted by Quianmore
Two things, you can choose who you fall in love with and being black isn't good, ITS ****ING AWESOME.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quianmore
This is Yuzan to me. He is a chill ass mother****er who I can actually talk to and he keeps shit real.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadameDeath
You can choose who you TALK to.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of GunZ
That opens up the options of who you fall in love with.
You can choose who you do NOT talk to,
and that denies those people the chance of you falling in love with them.
Getting to know someone occurs over time.
Falling in love happens while REALLY getting to know someone.
Between knowing and loving someone, is liking someone.
If I like someone, I can't exactly help that. We just had a lot in common. That goes for most people I do believe.
P.S.
Off-topic: I was Homosexusual in that LoL game, you know, the one with the, "****** name" as you called it, playing as urgot and while you want negative I went even.
He is saying. It's either a yes or no answer. He didn't ask whether it's relevant or not. That's what Yoda is trying to tell youQuote:
Originally Posted by Quianmore
I believe his username is king of gunz not king of LoL, as for that I smack u 1v1 LoL jajajaa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quianmore
Actually, it's something along the lines of BashyIsKing (As his summoner name)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekital
Sorry, irrelevant was the wrong word.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of GunZ
What I meant was, the question is invalid, because there is no, "good or bad."
"Do you agree or disagree with homosexuality" <-- Valid conversational topic.
Uhm tf is this game talk ?
back on topic kiddies
OT: i believe being gay is ultimately a choice, i disagree with the being born gay stuff. The question yoda asked is something that people cant agree on, so lets see if we can agree on this.
Is being gay a choice or are you born and "weird" to be gay?
Locking due people tend to go off-topic (Bashy, quianmore, mime, moh, ekital and a few others I forgot).