Forum mods

I have the feeling that we have some issues with the current forum mod(s). I'm having a strong feeling that not just I feel irritated by the actions taken by them, even if they don't involve myself or any friends.

Just a general thing first, my opinion on how to be a good moderator. I think moderators aren't ment to punish those who do wrong but to help them do the better thing, I think everyone agrees on that.
However the actions taken to achieve that are going to wrong way if you ask me, I think warnings or infractions are not necessary at all to keep people in this community to behave good. Moderators should be respected as persons and not as mods so they can tell people (not verbal warn) how to behave.

I personally feel that especially StephanM but also Pickachuuu are moderators that often ignore things and start off with immediate (verbal) warnings towards people. I feel very irritated if suddenly I receive an infraction or a warning for something I did, except for the ones I knew I was getting infracted for.

I'll take for example Jakanadin and how he acted in the past, besides that we knew how far we could go he had this thing around him that he just had to tell you to stop and you would do so, of course with exceptions. Unlike Stephan he had earned my respect over time and I accepted him as a forum mod (sounds crazy I know). I know what the big problem is and that is that Stephan and Victor are too much of douchebags as forum mods but also just the nice guys in the community.
I like them both as persons but the big issue is that they troll, joke and annoy people just as the normal ones do, and unlike mods like Alex who, to me, seem rather more serious and suited for moderator they just joke around. If I look at how Stephan replies towards reports to him and other people he just responds immature, and I don't think that should be accepted.

Don't think that if it was for me that you guys weren't allowed to have fun anymore but you should know your limits better or give up your moderator status. I'll sum some irritations and improvement factors up for myself but I would like to hear the opinions of you guys as well, this thread isn't a personal attack towards you (and victor) but I feel action needs to be taken and issues around the forum should be resolved differently, therefor this thread.

-Ignoring in chatbox
-Trolling
-Responding immature
-Not handling reports professionally
-Locking threads

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Originally Posted by slugheady

I have the feeling that we have some issues with the current forum mod(s). I'm having a strong feeling that not just I feel irritated by the actions taken by them, even if they don't involve myself or any friends.

Just a general thing first, my opinion on how to be a good moderator. I think moderators aren't ment to punish those who do wrong but to help them do the better thing, I think everyone agrees on that.
However the actions taken to achieve that are going to wrong way if you ask me, I think warnings or infractions are not necessary at all to keep people in this community to behave good. Moderators should be respected as persons and not as mods so they can tell people (not verbal warn) how to behave.

I personally feel that especially StephanM but also Pickachuuu are moderators that often ignore things and start off with immediate (verbal) warnings towards people. I feel very irritated if suddenly I receive an infraction or a warning for something I did, except for the ones I knew I was getting infracted for.

I'll take for example Jakanadin and how he acted in the past, besides that we knew how far we could go he had this thing around him that he just had to tell you to stop and you would do so, of course with exceptions. Unlike Stephan he had earned my respect over time and I accepted him as a forum mod (sounds crazy I know). I know what the big problem is and that is that Stephan and Victor are too much of douchebags as forum mods but also just the nice guys in the community.
I like them both as persons but the big issue is that they troll, joke and annoy people just as the normal ones do, and unlike mods like Alex who, to me, seem rather more serious and suited for moderator they just joke around. If I look at how Stephan replies towards reports to him and other people he just responds immature, and I don't think that should be accepted.

Don't think that if it was for me that you guys weren't allowed to have fun anymore but you should know your limits better or give up your moderator status. I'll sum some irritations and improvement factors up for myself but I would like to hear the opinions of you guys as well, this thread isn't a personal attack towards you (and victor) but I feel action needs to be taken and issues around the forum should be resolved differently, therefor this thread.

-Ignoring in chatbox
-Trolling
-Responding immature
-Not handling reports professionally
-Locking threads

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i totaly agree

Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by slugheady

I have the feeling that we have some issues with the current forum mod(s). I'm having a strong feeling that not just I feel irritated by the actions taken by them, even if they don't involve myself or any friends.

Just a general thing first, my opinion on how to be a good moderator. I think moderators aren't ment to punish those who do wrong but to help them do the better thing, I think everyone agrees on that.
However the actions taken to achieve that are going to wrong way if you ask me, I think warnings or infractions are not necessary at all to keep people in this community to behave good. Moderators should be respected as persons and not as mods so they can tell people (not verbal warn) how to behave.

I personally feel that especially StephanM but also Pickachuuu are moderators that often ignore things and start off with immediate (verbal) warnings towards people. I feel very irritated if suddenly I receive an infraction or a warning for something I did, except for the ones I knew I was getting infracted for.

I'll take for example Jakanadin and how he acted in the past, besides that we knew how far we could go he had this thing around him that he just had to tell you to stop and you would do so, of course with exceptions. Unlike Stephan he had earned my respect over time and I accepted him as a forum mod (sounds crazy I know). I know what the big problem is and that is that Stephan and Victor are too much of douchebags as forum mods but also just the nice guys in the community.
I like them both as persons but the big issue is that they troll, joke and annoy people just as the normal ones do, and unlike mods like Alex who, to me, seem rather more serious and suited for moderator they just joke around. If I look at how Stephan replies towards reports to him and other people he just responds immature, and I don't think that should be accepted.

Don't think that if it was for me that you guys weren't allowed to have fun anymore but you should know your limits better or give up your moderator status. I'll sum some irritations and improvement factors up for myself but I would like to hear the opinions of you guys as well, this thread isn't a personal attack towards you (and victor) but I feel action needs to be taken and issues around the forum should be resolved differently, therefor this thread.

-Ignoring in chatbox
-Trolling
-Responding immature
-Not handling reports professionally
-Locking threads

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Let's be honest I didn't read all the text.. I just read a part of it and all the thing u said.. were true! sorry again for the report I did to you back in 2010-2011..

I think they're just doing their job but I understand where you're coming from with the fact that they sometimes act unprofessionally, which could be improved. However a mod's job is to warn people (verbally or by infraction) when they aren't folloing the rules. I think you should just deal with it when you get an infraction and learn from your mistake. They are just people too.

The Devs shouldn't even be forum mods to be honest.

100% true.
They're both good persons, but they just don't fit as a forum moderator.

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Originally Posted by Dust

I think they're just doing their job but I understand where you're coming from with the fact that they sometimes act unprofessionally, which could be improved. However a mod's job is to warn people (verbally or by infraction) when they aren't folloing the rules. I think you should just deal with it when you get an infraction and learn from your mistake. They are just people too.

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The job is not to punish at all times, the job is to make the people behave. They and also you think that needs to be done with infractions and warnings which clearly not always the bests solution, based on the fact I have seen far better mods.

I personally dislike how StephanM locks threads.. Sometimes it's not even necesary. I don't really pay attention to Victor as much so I can't really give my opinions about him. I also hate how some of the staff (Mainly StephanM) trolls. You do it a bit too much mate. Like Sludge said, this isn't a personal attack. We're simply requesting that you guys act a bit more professionally. This goes out to all staff ingeneral. For the most part, the GM's, FM's and Dev's do a good job.

Just 2 days ago I was banned for absolutely no reason at all, and you know what happens with my report? Nothing.
https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...746#post503746

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Originally Posted by Mime

Just 2 days ago I was banned for absolutely no reason at all, and you know what happens with my report? Nothing.
https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...746#post503746

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Dave said he was going to 'spank' Stephan.. might aswell move it to the rage/ego section.

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Originally Posted by Charcoal

The Devs shouldn't even be forum mods to be honest.

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True that.

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Originally Posted by slugheady

The job is not to punish at all times, the job is to make the people behave. They and also you think that needs to be done with infractions and warnings which clearly not always the bests solution, based on the fact I have seen far better mods.

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I don't know.. They keep the forum clean and that is their job. If you break the forum rules it's simple; you'll get punished. I know it's irritating when you suddenly get an infraction when you haven't counted on it but I really think you should just deal with it and learn from it unless you weren't infracted correctfully. What's the problem? It's not like you're instantly banned or something when you get a warning..

Edit: I do agree however that the mods in question could improve their moderation skills and professionality. Maybe hire a forum mod, and not a dev who is a forum mod because he's a dev.

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Originally Posted by Charcoal

The Devs shouldn't even be forum mods to be honest.

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I applied to get moderator status. I was accepted. so I didnt get it because im developer. I worked for it and earned it.

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Originally Posted by Pickachuuuu

I applied to get moderator status. I was accepted. so I didnt get it because im developer. I worked for it and earned it.

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In that case, you're obviously not showing it if a large majority of people all think the same thing.

Adam4Owner

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Originally Posted by Pickachuuuu

I applied to get moderator status. I was accepted. so I didnt get it because im developer. I worked for it and earned it.

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I think you did earned it on the fair way, but honestly thats not the point, you guys need to improve yourself in my opinion. This thread was to find out if others would agree with me as well and apparently there are quite some others who share my feelings.

Let me show you just an example of what happened within a couple of hours what you CAN'T do.

http://i49.tinypic.com/34t7tw0.png
http://i50.tinypic.com/fe11l5.png

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http://i46.tinypic.com/2s1lpxz.png

the main thing i disliked about steph was giving warnings to people who just said fck a couple of times. *_* Its the internet, you will never stop people from saying fck or any swear word for that matter.

but idc anymore these days

Nothing was said about me :(
But I'll take that as a complaint!

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Originally Posted by Brisk

Nothing was said about me :(
But I'll take that as a complaint!

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Tbh, you're one of the most caring staff members here. True legend. <3 you Brisk

Everybody forgets Joobie =[ Poor Joobie.
Anyways, everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

coz joobies perfect

Well if you want I could really follow our TOS some more, but that would resolve into more bans and infractions.
I really like it how only Rob comes out with a thread like this and speaks up his mind (+1 credits).

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Well if you want I could really follow our TOS some more, but that would resolve into more bans and infractions.
I really like it how only Rob comes out with a thread like this and speaks up his mind (+1 credits).

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That's cause if I make a thread and speak my mind you delete it.......?

so this is pretty foked up

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Originally Posted by Kaulo

so this is pretty foked up

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how is this fcked up? Its people telling their opinions of the staff.

My opinion is that nobody should provoke each other..Moderators aren't our enemies or something, they're just like us. they're here just to moderate equally everyone of us to keep the community nice, they make us notice what would be better to avoid to keep everything in peace lol , they kinda educate us, so after one made a mistake on the forums, they should accept it, understand it and not mention it anymore. after 1 warn 2.. if it that person keeps repeating the same mistake then it's sign of immaturity..it's just the internet but yeah there's need of comprehensibility since we're all humans '-' It's very hard to be a mod because people keep provoking so you gotta stay calm and be patient, most of the times it's just us being immature..really.

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Originally Posted by Potato

My opinion is that nobody should provoke each other..

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THANK YOU.

Someone has finally said it.

Thanks sweet cheeks. <3

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Well if you want I could really follow our TOS some more, but that would resolve into more bans and infractions.
I really like it how only Rob comes out with a thread like this and speaks up his mind (+1 credits).

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I think you know the ToS and apply it well enough. The issue is, as said before, the way you apply it to people, the way you earn respect and punish. Change that and your trolling and perhaps those feelings I have with you as a mod might just go away, and for others as well.

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Originally Posted by slugheady

I think you know the ToS and apply it well enough. The issue is, as said before, the way you apply it to people, the way you earn respect and punish. Change that and your trolling and perhaps those feelings I have with you as a mod might just go away, and for others as well.

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I only troll those who troll me (in a good way, for example Nick).

I'm probably one of the most laziest mods ever to have a position at FG

huehue

t..........t jonb for forum modratr t.................t

To the mods who are being criticised though: Don't be too defensive, take it as advice to better your moderation and move on, because this shit is gonna reach 10 pages if we all argue

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Originally Posted by Joobie

I'm probably one of the most laziest mods ever to have a position at FG

huehue

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I bet everyone likes you most out of all the forums mods troll

StephanM I'll be honest here, you're bipolar as **** yo. I remember the time we were all on skype and we wanted to make this thread in "off topic" section, and you were laughing with us and shit also. But then when one of us posted that thread, you left skype call and deleted the thread. Then I also think you change sides fast. You always wanna be on the "cool" people's side.. that you think are cool at that moment. So fake. When we were using the :lock: emoticon on chatbox you weren't saying anything until victor came in was like stop. Then you decided "hmmm victor is here man I should say something too" And said stop "spam" Should I tell you the meaning of spam? Putting emoticon after every "different" sentence isn't a spam. And to add those rules after banning us lmfao. I seriously don't understand why theres even an off topic section when your threads gets deleted from that section as well. Also when we all got chatbox ban, Mime made a thread for us to talk in on "off topic" and you deleted it. I made a camel thread and it got deleted. Why didn't you delete my previous camel threads? What was wrong with that recent one? You guys abuse shit like yall own us or something. Bashy told me long ago a person got chatbox banned and he made a thread just like Mime's and it wasn't closed. Seriously this bullshit needs to stop and I fully agree with slugheady on this one. Staff corrupted

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Originally Posted by CamelBoyMoh

StephanM I'll be honest here, you're bipolar as **** yo. I remember the time we were all on skype and we wanted to make this thread in "off topic" section, and you were laughing with us and shit also. But then when one of us posted that thread, you left skype call and deleted the thread. Then I also think you change sides fast. You always wanna be on the "cool" people's side.. that you think are cool at that moment. So fake. When we were using the :lock: emoticon on chatbox you weren't saying anything until victor came in was like stop. Then you decided "hmmm victor is here man I should say something too" And said stop "spam" Should I tell you the meaning of spam? Putting emoticon after every "different" sentence isn't a spam. And to add those rules after banning us lmfao. I seriously don't understand why theres even an off topic section when your threads gets deleted from that section as well. Also when we all got chatbox ban, Mime made a thread for us to talk in on "off topic" and you deleted it. I made a camel thread and it got deleted. Why didn't you delete my previous camel threads? What was wrong with that recent one? You guys abuse shit like yall own us or something. Bashy told me long ago a person got chatbox banned and he made a thread just like Mime's and it wasn't closed. Seriously this bullshit needs to stop and I fully agree with slugheady on this one. Staff corrupted

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I actually do not remember that.
And I really could care less if people think I am cool or not, never did and never will.

I totally agree.

The past few days went bad for some of us. People got spammed,infracted and banned. A lot of people should just really need to stop trolling AND provoking, you guys really need to know if you aren't going too far with something. I mean you may troll but know the borderline of someone.. Cause TBH, yesterday the trollers just went too far. Kept pushing the Mod's, although the mods should've been calm theirselves as well. And not randomly delete some things, at least think about the consequences. You guys could've just ignored the chatbox and do something else. Don't let them play with you. Never.

If people just stop being a r3tarded c unt and just live yo life on the internet, everything will be alright. Don't f ucking provoke eachother, since that will result in something negative anyway. There will just come more problems, and the community will get worst.

The actual job of the Forum Moderator, is to keep the peace on the Forums by any means necessary. That's the basic, bare-bones definition. They've done their jobs. They've made their mistakes, and they've done things wrong and taken things in wrong directions. They are human. Don't dislike them for it. Just talk to me or SuperWaffle if you don't respect or agree with their decisions. Now. MY personal definition of a good Forum Moderator is, as you said, to not only mediate an issue or solve a problem, but to take it that extra step and make sure it doesn't happen again, by any means necessary. A permanent peace-keeper, and not a temporary one. This, isn't in the rules I've created nor the rules that were posted before me. The reason nothing is done about them is that they've done nothing wrong. The way I moderated was the way I personally wanted things done. I wanted to keep everyone happy. I don't have time for that now. Now, I have time to take care of Forum Reports, stalk the Shout-box, check threads with names that catch my eyes, and moderate threads on a lower scale. We didn't hire the Moderator's to work just as hard as them, so we'll have to get used to things working different now that my time is past. They've done their jobs alright from what I've PERSONALLY seen, I can't judge anymore than what I've seen, but if anyone would like to compile a list of items of theirs I can personally look at that is positive or negative I'm more than willing to take a look at it.

True brotha, i agree

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Originally Posted by Jakanadin

The actual job of the Forum Moderator, is to keep the peace on the Forums by any means necessary. That's the basic, bare-bones definition. They've done their jobs. They've made their mistakes, and they've done things wrong and taken things in wrong directions. They are human. Don't dislike them for it. Just talk to me or SuperWaffle if you don't respect or agree with their decisions. Now. MY personal definition of a good Forum Moderator is, as you said, to not only mediate an issue or solve a problem, but to take it that extra step and make sure it doesn't happen again, by any means necessary. A permanent peace-keeper, and not a temporary one. This, isn't in the rules I've created nor the rules that were posted before me. The reason nothing is done about them is that they've done nothing wrong. The way I moderated was the way I personally wanted things done. I wanted to keep everyone happy. I don't have time for that now. Now, I have time to take care of Forum Reports, stalk the Shout-box, check threads with names that catch my eyes, and moderate threads on a lower scale. We didn't hire the Moderator's to work just as hard as them, so we'll have to get used to things working different now that my time is past. They've done their jobs alright from what I've PERSONALLY seen, I can't judge anymore than what I've seen, but if anyone would like to compile a list of items of theirs I can personally look at that is positive or negative I'm more than willing to take a look at it.

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Perhaps the mods will listen to this just now if it comes from you (marks). Anyways, I think its hard to pull up the examples step by step but I think this thread should say enough. The trolling, joking, locking, infracting and warning isn't resulting in peace which is indeed their job to keep.

I could list all of those irritations but I'm not, for now you should keep your eyes open and act whenever you see it or somebody tells you. I feel only you, Dave and JP are the right persons that should take action towards them because their arrogance is too high. All I'm trying to do is help them do their job and I've said it multiple times and I'm surprised by their reaction, they seem to be taking it rather serious now.

I'm not happy with the forum moderator's which also include's that staff member's has 2-3 positions just like wow.

okok, this thread has nothin 2 do with victor anymore since he aint forum mod anymore.

sooooo as soon as I stop being a forum mod it isnt a problem anymore? I see.

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Originally Posted by Pickachuuuu

sooooo as soon as I stop being a forum mod it isnt a problem anymore? I see.

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Exactly, its very simple.

If there is a problem, you solve it, there are different ways to solve the problem and you choose to solve it like this. Since you are the problem in this case you just removed yourself from the position so you can no longer be the problem.

If you weren't so arrogant you could just try to learn from it and apologize your mistakes and promise to work on yourself and the problem could solve itself, but taking the easy way out is fine as well :).

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Originally Posted by slugheady

Exactly, its very simple.

If there is a problem, you solve it, there are different ways to solve the problem and you choose to solve it like this. Since you are the problem in this case you just removed yourself from the position so you can no longer be the problem.

If you weren't so arrogant you could just try to learn from it and apologize your mistakes and promise to work on yourself and the problem could solve itself, but taking the easy way out is fine as well :).

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man i adore u u have no idea

nah. I dont want to be mod anymore because I thought i was helping but apparently im not. so i came to the conclusion i dont want to be mod anymore. I could change, but i think people will be more happy if i just stop. so i just did that. since as a member of the staff im here to serve the community.

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Originally Posted by Jeroen

man i adore u u have no idea

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You make it sound like I'm a teddy bear ._.

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Originally Posted by Pickachuuuu

nah. I dont want to be mod anymore because I thought i was helping but apparently im not. so i came to the conclusion i dont want to be mod anymore. I could change, but i think people will be more happy if i just stop. so i just did that. since as a member of the staff im here to serve the community.

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As I said, the easy way out, no reason to disagree upon that.

To everyone who made picka resign from his forum mod status:

http://altrapoint.com/wp-content/upl...dle-finger.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ben

To everyone who made picka resign from his forum mod status:

http://altrapoint.com/wp-content/upl...dle-finger.jpg

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ty.

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Originally Posted by Jeroen

ty.

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No problem.
you guys shouldn't complain so much about everything...

Sad to see him resign but yeah, life goes on.

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Originally Posted by Ben

No problem.
you guys shouldn't complain so much about everything...

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same to them yo.

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Originally Posted by Ben

To everyone who made picka resign from his forum mod status:

http://altrapoint.com/wp-content/upl...dle-finger.jpg

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This isn't made to made picka and Stephan resign, its made because they failed to do their job well enough in mine and others opinion, they didn't want to listen to me just telling them so I made a thread to share opinions. Victor chooses to be a coward and not to work on himself, thats not our fault.

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Originally Posted by Pickachuuuu

nah. I dont want to be mod anymore because I thought i was helping but apparently im not. so i came to the conclusion i dont want to be mod anymore. I could change, but i think people will be more happy if i just stop. so i just did that. since as a member of the staff im here to serve the community.

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No. Changing would be enough. There's no need to resign. Those who are happy you resigned aren't one of the people who want the trolingl to stop. Those are the assholes who just hate you. I personally didn't have any issues with you. There was no need to resign. I still think you should ask for it back. You were actually a good FM.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Well if you want I could really follow our TOS some more, but that would resolve into more bans and infractions.
I really like it how only Rob comes out with a thread like this and speaks up his mind (+1 credits).

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didnt you make up some new chatbox rules AFTER you abused us all using those "rules"

Oh **** off this community is immature and we need immature mOds. who really gives a **** about how they do there jObs

I think Stephan is an incOnsiderate prick but I dont go around bitching

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Apparently I got banned because Pickachuuuu will "ban anyone who bothers Miranda" seems like a nice way of deciding on bans.
GTFO

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You are wrong since he had nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Arkasia

didnt you make up some new chatbox rules AFTER you abused us all using those "rules"

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I updated some rules to prevent something like this in the future.


To those who are enjoying that Pikachuuuu Resigned, shame on you.
Those that think I will follow him then you kids are wrong, infact I might get stricter with some issuues.

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Apparently I got banned because Pickachuuuu will "ban anyone who bothers Miranda" seems like a nice way of deciding on bans.
GTFO

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Please, Please let me laugh at you for a second.
that makes no sense in any way.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

To those who are enjoying that Pikachuuuu Resigned, shame on you.
Those that think I will follow him then you kids are wrong, infact I might get stricter with some issuues.

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This.
I've been long enough here to know better..
Ofc I have been messing around, but you players overreact in any way possible

as long as you are able to make something corrupt, you guys try to.

I don't even see the point giving people who help the server by developing weapons/maps/sets etc.. should have powers in-game and on the forum.
If they want powers they should apply for the job they want and quit doing with what they are doing right now.

I agree!

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Originally Posted by Yoda

http://gyazo.com/116b6a8a8c1079d7aceeee4a9a0cff7e.png

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Yeah sure.
I'm saying now im god, so im god now right? cause i said that... right?

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Originally Posted by Quacks

I don't even see the point giving people who help the server by developing weapons/maps/sets etc.. should have powers in-game and on the forum.
If they want powers they should apply for the job they want and quit doing with what they are doing right now.

I agree!

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/facepalm. we did apply for it moron

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

Yeah sure.
I'm saying now im god, so im god now right? cause i said that... right?

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What? I am not even sure if you are qualified to be a human being after saying that...

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Originally Posted by Pickachuuuu

/facepalm. we did apply for it moron

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Now that's what I don't like about it.
Why do you deserve more powers then anyone else?

Ohwait, you just trash talked me.
Should I infract you or would you ignore that?

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Originally Posted by Quacks

Now that's what I don't like about it.
Why do you deserve more powers then anyone else?

Ohwait, you just trash talked me.
Should I infract you or would you ignore that?

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this is what I dont like... all you guys talk shit while you know nothing about it. you guys dont know any facts thats why you keep failing at this.

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Originally Posted by Pickachuuuu

this is what I dont like... all you guys talk shit while you know nothing about it. you guys dont know any facts thats why you keep failing at this.

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That's why you deserve more powers than anyone else?
That's why you're allowed to call me a " moron " ?

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

Yeah sure.
I'm saying now im god, so im god now right? cause i said that... right?

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Praise the lord.

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Originally Posted by Quacks

That's why you deserve more powers than anyone else?
That's why you're allowed to call me a " moron " ?

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/facepalm

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Praise the lord.

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You shall be my first follower, my right hand, thou shall write down my set of rules on a piece of paper and tell other people about it.

We'll discuss it internally...