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So, I find that the donor meds are completely useless seeing as the gay vials / pills or whatever they're called are much more efficient to use. By the time I finish with 1hp med and 1ap med, the person using the vials are either full or 3/4 full which is kinda ridiculous, and these are the shop vials, not the donor ones which worries me a lot.
So let's debate, should they be removed? Should they be nerfed? Or should the donor meds be buffed?
They will never find a balance anyways. It's been like this forever.
Nerfed, they are over-powered. With donor vials you would probably get full HP if you're red. >.>.
Aren't there donor vials and pills?
Remove them.
Medding was once a skill, choosing the appropriate place and time to med, not spam vials and pills mid-way through a fight.
Read ***** -.-Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon
But it doesn't even matter since you can be op with the shop ones.
No? People do not speak much about these vials, since players who use them don't want them removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charcoal
I got it. Remove Vials and Pills from game, people who want must buy. Easy money.
They try to be the most non-op server, putting them in donor shop only will still make it op.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon
It's k everyone bad on server anyways. hue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mime
In all honestly, they should be removed, or the donor meds should get buffed, The ´´Candy´´ meds were overpowered as hell, im happy they got removed but once again, those pills/vials make no sense it all but hey thats my opinion.
Im going for the remove vials/pills OR buff the donator meds that cost roughly 10 euro EACH.
O and the Donator Pills/
Magazine 10 <--
Whatttt 10 per game? that's ridiclious lol
I use pills/vials because theres more in the clip, i didnt know they were completely OP. Q-Q
Here's the thing, why would you even have donor meds that can be easily outmatched by lvl50 shop vials, they should buff the donor meds or give a refund to those who purchased them simple as that. Server is catering to the cries of non donors. Thats like not serving a customer at a restaurant because the stench of the hobo next to him has bothered him.
Oh hell noQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemon
^^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Myugen
I just think they shouldn't be free. If it actually costed bounty, maybe people just won't have them that much. Items should just cost something in the regular shop anyways -_-''
Bounty ain't hard to get, it shouldn't be in the game point final.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cats
It's not, but it's a hassle to get also. Nerf them + Bounty them
Doing the math; Donor meds are right in the middle, but the difference between the middle and the highest is pretty insane, considering bounty shop vs. donors.
With just one set (HP or AP) only...
Level 50 Pills: 15 x 6 = 90
Donor Meds (200 coins): 20 x 6 = 120
Level 50 Vials: 6x6(36) x 5 = 180
In numbers, the pills are okay. They are still roughly just as good (the time you "consume" them is just slightly better than if you were to deploy meds with their current delays). It's a matter of pills can be used in a fight more easily as with vials.
If anything, I think the vials need to go down a clip per round/spawn and make it only heal 5 per second, making it heal 120 total and buff donor meds up by a clip so they get 140/140.
In turn this would make it...
Level 50 Pills: 15 x 6 = 90
Level 50 Vials: 5x6(30) x 4 = 120
Donor Meds (200 coins): 20 x 7 = 140
Now, this is just based on just simple balancing. I don't know how TDM/CW metas work (nor probably will I ever). Maybe if I get a small lecture on how things work, maybe I can understand, but as far as I can see, I see no problem.
PS. This excludes donor vials/pills, which are exceedingly OP and I would vote to get rid of them immediately if the chance was given.
Donor Vials/Pills OP for a reason.
It's limited so your Op for only that short time until you used them all.
They just want you to buy more, marketing. Buy McSic a TV!
However, that simply makes it "rich kids win". Donors vs. bounty is already under mixed opinions on how strong one or the other is. We don't need a tertiary group who needs to spend more money for that extra 1000/1000 HP/AP bonus because losing is the end of the world and need to secure the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cats
Can kids like you stfu about the money making, I know Sic and he's not focused on making money on the fcking server, sure it's nice to help money and every server needs it to stay up, but Sic ain't gonna keep some op shit cause it makes him money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cats
Uh what server are we discussing here. I believe the Hp/Ap stats on Donor Sets here have already been ****ed on same with Donor Meds and Weapons. The DONATORS are taking losses simply because kids can't/refuse/won't donate for a bit of gear then, turn around and complain about how OP the donors are. Well If I spent my money I'd like to have the advantage regardless of level, not have nerfed gear to better suit non-donators. Thats just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualage
Donation is simply giving money to one expecting nothing in return. Feel honored you are getting something that's even slightly better than the best bounty shop version of whichever item.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myugen
I couldn't care less if the term "donation" is used to sugar coat the term "premiums". It's the word they decided to go with so arguments like these can be avoided.
Regardless, donor vials heal 1000/1000 per round. We were complaining, a while ago, about something that used to heal 700/700 (thank god they're now gone) . What all of a sudden makes this situation better?
No just No.
Donor Pills/Vials will soon run out after using them.
So No.
Learn to adjust or die like the rest.
Are you referring to the Ub3rs? If so yes, those were a nuisance if you didnt have them. They didn't have to remove the lower clipped ones tho, thoses were good. Vials just don't make any sense. And yo what are you referring to with that question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualage
Regarding the question...Quote:
Originally Posted by Myugen
I just don't see the hostility towards Donor vials like we did with ubers and extremes. It feels weird getting rid of the middle of the problem rather than what's worse. Donor vials are what's winning 90% of TDM based games because you have to be killed 10 times before you actually die.
Ubers and extremes were similar, but weaker yet we got rid of those meds rather than these super crutches people need to win a game.
dude the regular in game shop meds back then.. with those, it was horrible man, ppl ran away to go med n use them often cuz they didn't heal much so u had to keep using them and this and that, it slowed down game play even though there was strategy and tactics to using them and chasing down ppl to stop them from using them. chase chase chase, idk. but w/e who cares right? with pills vials vs old meds in general.... also I cant say anything about the vials/pills here in the in game shop cant remember how much they heal compared to the ijji ones unless its the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaji
well, i guess the donor meds should be buffed to like 8/9 clips, the reason why ppl don't use the normal meds is this: THEY CAN'T EVEN GET THEIR HP/AP BACK TO FULL ONCE
like...the maximum you can get is a 4/4 clip, which gets you back 80 hp...like wot?
I agree with that. Vials in general are OP. The shop vials are more effective than the donor meds, needless to say anything about the donor vials and how the trump the candy canes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualage
I second this. Vials and Pills take a whole level of skill out of Gunz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaji
hell no lol, im way to tired of those old school regular meds (the level 40 ones from ijji) was HORRIBLEQuote:
Originally Posted by Katsuro
srsly. but obvly the "regular" ones here heal more, however I don't agree wid taking them out cuz it will take out variety in the game, in gameplay. remember how it was so strict towards medding back then, run run etc etc the tactics were the same across the board dude lol. everyone did the same thing, try to run and get away to med, I admit there was skill for the partner to 1v2 and hold em off or retreat like a beast while one teammate meds or something, etc. however I see the difference between the meds like this:
the regular drop meds are really good because u can share them and when everyone on the team has them, well the total amount u guys can heal is increased, hence I use regular drop meds in srs games wid teammates.
and the vials/pills, I use for soloing in random tdms, dms. regular meds in dm's is stupid, ur argument bout the extra skill doesn't really apply to a DM. also, its just more variety. jus balance em out so it really is a choice between these 2 pros/cons imo.
Reason to donate is to be OP. once its nerfed its weird like how the red donation shotgun was 7 clips and uber meds was like 45 clips. so what kind of goal is this sever trying to reach?
reason to donate is to be op loll. well back on ijji I bought stuff to look cool and therefore I would play better (the law of the dstyler - look good - play good) all dstylers know it, anyways.... I mainly donated for sets cuz I would get tired of lookin the same n wearing the same things for so long, and I felt as if wen I got a new set sometimes and a new look, even thoe I had a bad time, its like everything is reset/refreshed and I can start over idk something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by U_Eat_PoOp
however, here, it seems to me from all the replies im seeing, is that ppl mainly donate here, to 1, donate, 2, get stronger gear.
besides for vip stuff and colour names on forums idk idk besides all that.
I'd reconsider using a dictionary to see what "donate" is truly defined as.Quote:
Originally Posted by U_Eat_PoOp
****, I'm getting the Wucas impact on me now that I'm beginning to agree with him.
everyone still has the same damage / meds even if the max. If some one would beat you now it would take the same amount of time since everything was nefered in a lineair.Quote:
Originally Posted by U_Eat_PoOp
Overpowered itmes drives people crazy and angry <3
Can you guys stop getting the fcking wrong picture?
I'm talking about how op the donor and vial meds are in regular, not even the donors. Let's say I'm in a fight, I'm red and my opponent is red, it'll basically take him, 2 good seconds to mid back to full hp and 2 ap vials to hold him off long enough, now if I run and try to med, he'll just kill me because it takes so fcking long waiting for them to drop. They should either lower the delay on donor meds, or remove the op shit.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mime
remove pls ty
I got the donor meds Medical Kit RX V & Repair Kit RX V 6 Magazine 20 AP\HP each
Total coins that I spent on both of them = 400 coins
And guess what i use the normal vials lvl 50 you ask why?
First each vial heal alot more than donor med kit and because it's alot easier and faster to heal that why
instead of running to some corner and try to heal without getting hit
So yes I agree the donor meds are shit.
Remove all kinds of medicals, pills, vials etc.
or make a room with [ni] problem solved for you,Quote:
Originally Posted by Boubble
Also for a med kid that costs 200 coins hp 200 coins ap, they are not strong enough.
Make it a bigger clip for the 200 ones or remove them completely since they are kind of useless against shop vials atm..
Good thread. Thanks for the feedback.
Not talking only about rooms in CW's you cant simply put a [ni] Pills and Vials require less skills and are much more effective than the meds.Quote:
Originally Posted by xOmega
Like this is what fgunz did.
They removed.
Ghost set. ( Gay as **** )
Candy Bar donation meds ( Overpowerd )
And nerfed the Limit breaker.
Thats very amazing really!
But then they found a new way to **** us.
By adding these ****ing donor pills / vials wich are overpowerd as hell, People didnt even use them on ijji. Thats how useless they where and they where useless for a reason, But you guys just boosted them up to earn some more money.
Why not spending time on creating New items or cool looking stuff for the game instead of making shit Overpowerd every ****ing time god.
Dunno about anyone else but whenever someone spam uses the pills, I lag like **** and get around 60 fps... If at the very least could there be an option to remove that and replace it with a less laggy animation.
I want vials and pills be removed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobra
that's what meds do right? get you to full hp once?? OR am i wrong fk
!!!
funny how bak on offical servers, ppl didnt qq about vials/pills besides for the first week they came out, no1 ever qq'd after. Idk whats up with them here but it sounds like fgunz must have just went like, hey, lets increase the amount of heal for vials/pills. That has to be it....
Well, the premium vials/pills highest lvl version could be argued to be OP wen they came out, but dayum how op are they here? fuk vials/pills are a nice alternative, they're just too op here lol.
FGUNZ HISTORY SO FAR:
FGUNZ #1: Lets increase the amount of heal from meds to make this server more pussy n for money or what...
FGUNZ #2: Lets increase the speed of RELOAD SHOT creating a new reload shot, triple reload shot! And make our players even more pussy and baby them up!!! YES!!!!!
FGUNZ #3: Lets boost the fukin damage of daggers AND increase the speed fukin faster than TBF by just spamming left click to make our dstylers THE BIGGEST PUSSIES!!
FGUNZ #4: Lets make our donor triple reload shot shotguns as strong as ****ing avengers.
Fukin have to make an essay long thread to change everything around here? fuks wrong with u ppl. I care about the game n yall to keep the game lively AND REAL LEGIT fuk is this.
i love you so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by DDaggerDD
vials are the equivalent of a shotgun that reload shots for you
both require 0 skill from the player and shouldnt be in the game
#SniperTheDuelQuote:
Originally Posted by MadameDeath
Made my day so much better xDQuote:
Originally Posted by DDaggerDD
remove vials and pills
make donor meds stay lel
Well this is also settled. Now to just wait...
Si, Sic will take action, we'll probably be seeing something in the next release of patches or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by DDaggerDD
Imo, should just use ijji vials/pills stats that were in the in game shop.
People buy the donor vials/pills, so they won't be removed. I agree that ever since the update to make things more 'balanced' by changing the donor meds, they're useless. I'd be okay with a revert to the candy cane meds, but with less clip size.
idk if u have been followin this thread, but the people, has spoken! Also, try just need to be balanced, we got pages of replies. Shud be easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRcMqsK-Qn0
op p1ll
rem0ve pls thx
l00k @ hp aff '_'