stop posting in the reptilian cloud thread. poor parents = ?

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Originally Posted by soni

My first post is about bettering the world by removing poor people or at least stopping them from reproducing.

Being poor may not always lead to not raising kids properly, but it increases the likelihood of it. It limits your options as a parent.

Raising kids properly is guaranteeing a healthy diet and ensuring that they are capable of doing what a normal person should be able to do.

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In the end we're not really debating my first post, but debating whether or not poor parents fail to raise their kids properly. Which is true the majority of times.

Anecdotes about poor people becoming rich somehow don't do shit for an argument btw.

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It's not poor parents, but uneducated poor people who bring kids into the world(if they were smart, would they have kids knowing they couldnt fully support their children?).

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...ome-in-the-us/

This ^ shows a trend where as income goes down the birth rate goes up.

Also correlating with that, higher IQ = higher income most of the time, no?

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Originally Posted by soni

I made an edit earlier.

>There's more to say but I didn't think the argument would reach this point.

It's only natural that poor people who are uneducated(I mean if you were smart and poor, why would you bring kids you couldn't raise into this harsh world?) cannot afford to live in a good neighborhood with a good school. It's obvious that they end up in ghetto-like places and they send their kids to the crappy public school where other shitty kids influence their own for the worse. Is this not true?


My argument constantly changes only because you keep assuming a bunch of things bro. There are a lot of things I haven't said and don't feel like saying because I didn't want to put so much work into this.

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i didnt assume anything lol.

my replies are all over the place because your argument is. Your argument is slowly changing and leaning towards a statement. A statement that is saying that poor families kids will have a hard time growing up. Statements about things like that shouldnt be argued about. Cuz there is no argument just a statement, but u started off saying poor people = kids wi grow up to most likely have horrible futures. And you slowly changed from a future in general to the childs growing up period.

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

i didnt assume anything lol.

my replies are all over the place because your argument is. Your argument is slowly changing and leaning towards a statement. A statement that is saying that poor families kids will have a hard time growing up. Statements about things like that shouldnt be argued about. Cuz there is no argument just a statement, but u started off saying poor people = kids wi grow up to most likely have horrible futures. And you slowly changed from a future in general to the childs growing up period.

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Yes, you keep assuming that I'm saying this or that when I haven't really said anything. Which is why my argument changes.

About that change, I don't think it really matters because it's all the same anyway.

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Originally Posted by soni

Yes, you keep assuming that I'm saying this or that when I haven't really said anything. Which is why my argument changes.

About that change, I don't think it really matters because it's all the same anyway.

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at first you did just argue about their future. Then went to their lives as a kid while growing up and off their future lives. Hence people replying saying how oprah was poor, you argued that she is an exception and that kids in a poor family are more liekly not to end up rich like her. Then you went to kids are more liekly to have a harder life while growing up. so yea you did change your arguments around here and there.

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

at first you did just argue about their future. Then went to their lives as a kid while growing up and off their future lives. Hence people replying saying how oprah was poor, you argued that she is an exception and that kids in a poor family are more liekly not to end up rich like her. Then you went to kids are more liekly to have a harder life while growing up. so yea you did change your arguments around here and there.

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It's okay because what I really wanted to talk about is slowly coming together.

babies in poor uneducated hands are more likely to have a horrid future as children. as adults, well, then we would just be making an assumption.

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Originally Posted by soni

It's okay because what I really wanted to talk about is slowly coming together.

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nothing is okay or not okay. lol. but yea it came 2gether. argument was on something else originally though and i saw ur edit but didnt assume u were scrapping even the other argumets on the oprah stuff and other stuff with the other players, besides that, obviously poor uneducated parents' babies wi have a really hard future while growing up.

but u didnt jus say that so everyone went off on u including me.

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

babies in poor uneducated hands are more likely to have a horrid future as children. as adults, well, then we would just be making an assumption.

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There's no assumption there. Why wouldn't adults be affected by their childhood? A lot of the time that's exactly the case. A lot of the time people in a bad spot in life blame themselves and think that their future is in their hands, but the reality is that you can have a lot of setbacks caused by your upbringing/lack of. Those exceptions like Oprah had to have connections or were born in a time where it was not that hard to bring yourself up in society. But I am speaking of now, the present times. Like I said before, those government welfare programs encourage the trend of lower income = more kids because they're literally giving you money to have sex instead of working.

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Originally Posted by soni

There's no assumption there. Why wouldn't adults be affected by their childhood? A lot of the time that's exactly the case. A lot of the time people in a bad spot in life blame themselves and think that their future is in their hands, but the reality is that you can have a lot of setbacks caused by your upbringing/lack of. Those exceptions like Oprah had to have connections or were born in a time where it was not that hard to bring yourself up in society. But I am speaking of now, the present times. Like I said before, those government welfare programs encourage the trend of lower income = more kids because they're literally giving you money to have sex instead of working.

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"not that hard" lol. So its more likely kids in this situation you have been saying will have a what? will most likely be poor themselves throughout all their life or? Cuz we see that kids like that a lot of times go from poor to at least on the low end of the middle class some time in their life. So i wouldnt say these kids would always be poor themselves , but they are more likely to have a poor future once grown. But more likely doesnt mean that it will happen. wen u have 2 six sided die, its less likely to roll a lower outcome multiple times but it can happen, and it can happen over and over and over again. I agree its more likely for these kids to be screwed over in the future but not that most of them will grow up poor themselves and stay that way. can one ever say anything with 100 percent certainty? In this situation, its like the dice so, no its not impossible is what im saying.

also i wouldnt say welfare is encouraging these types of ppl to have not more kids but just kids without the more. but it is a lot of times that deciding factor for a poor famil to have kids or not.

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

"not that hard" lol. So its more likely kids in this situation you have been saying will have a what? will most likely be poor themselves throughout all their life or? Cuz we see that kids like that a lot of times go from poor to at least on the low end of the middle class some time in their life. So i wouldnt say these kids would always be poor themselves , but they are more likely to have a poor future once grown. But more likely doesnt mean that it will happen. wen u have 2 six sided die, its less likely to roll a lower outcome multiple times but it can happen, and it can happen over and over and over again. I agree its more likely for these kids to be screwed over in the future but not that most of them will grow up poor themselves and stay that way. can one ever say anything with 100 percent certainty? In this situation, its like the dice so, no its not impossible is what im saying.

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Of course I don't imply that this happens for every case but it does happen A LOT. It's not 100% but maybe around 90%. The success of the 10%, the exceptions, are so great that you end up thinking that it happens for everyone which is not what happens at all.

That's why I say a better future can be had if we AT LEAST sterilize/don't allow poor people to reproduce. I don't want another me to happen. Looking back on my life, I pity any other kid who has to go through similar shit because they might not end up with the same conclusion as me. I've already accepted dying so I don't have to worry. But there are many unfortunate kids out there who have to live on with their problems.

Basically what I want is poor people to not have kids they are not capable of raising into capable adults. Yo if you're poor and want to have kids but accept full responsibility for them no matter how badly they end up then you're cool with me. It's the shitty parents who abandon their kids and kick them out of their lives when they are not capable of surviving on their own that I hate.

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Originally Posted by soni

Of course I don't imply that this happens for every case but it does happen A LOT. It's not 100% but maybe around 90%. The success of the 10%, the exceptions, are so great that you end up thinking that it happens for everyone which is not what happens at all.

That's why I say a better future can be had if we AT LEAST sterilize/don't allow poor people to reproduce. I don't want another me to happen. Looking back on my life, I pity any other kid who has to go through similar shit because they might not end up with the same conclusion as me. I've already accepted dying so I don't have to worry. But there are many unfortunate kids out there who have to live on with their problems.

Basically what I want is poor people to not have kids they are not capable of raising into capable adults. Yo if you're poor and want to have kids but accept full responsibility for them no matter how badly they end up then you're cool with me. It's the shitty parents who abandon their kids and kick them out of their lives when they are not capable of surviving on their own that I hate.

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I agree that its most likely that most of these kids will have a hard future, but with the dice example, i pointed out that its possible for most the dice rolls can result with lower outcomes, not that 1 of the combined rolls could result in a lower outcome. I was comparing that to most of these kids' future, that it may be at least possible that most of them could randomly have a good future. Compared to the dice rolls it could take quadrillion sets of quadrillion rolls, but its possible right? Also
its really stupid to say these ppl shouldnt be allowed to have kids jus because "most" of them will be poor (and uneducated)? thats the dumbest shit srsly lol, lazy ass solution. reminds me on wen nsa trying to get the rights to listen to all phone calls to spot possible terrorists/terror acts, casting the biggest net invading privacy and be like we will definately have a highly better chance to stop terror acts before they happen this way, not saying i dont agree with it butni remember some 1 arguing saying cast a big net to solve a problem, obviously problems can be solved and caught if u catch everything else with this net at the same time.

dumbest solution ever cuz u'd be preventing geniuses from being born and other things cuz not everyone starts out poor. dumbest solution ever lol but ur not srs so thats all good.

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

I agree that its most likely that most of these kids will have a hard future, but with the dice example, i pointed out that its possible for most the dice rolls can result with lower outcomes, not that 1 of the combined rolls could result in a lower outcome. I was comparing that to most of these kids' future, that it may be at least possible that most of them could randomly have a good future. Compared to the dice rolls it could take quadrillion sets of quadrillion rolls, but its possible right? Also
its really stupid to say these ppl shouldnt be allowed to have kids jus because "most" of them will be poor (and uneducated)? thats the dumbest shit srsly lol, lazy ass solution. reminds me on wen nsa trying to get the rights to listen to all phone calls to spot possible terrorists/terror acts, casting the biggest net invading privacy and be like we will definately have a highly better chance to stop terror acts before they happen this way, not saying i dont agree with it butni remember some 1 arguing saying cast a big net to solve a problem, obviously problems can be solved and caught if u catch everything else with this net at the same time.

dumbest solution ever cuz u'd be preventing geniuses from being born and other things cuz not everyone starts out poor. dumbest solution ever lol but ur not srs so thats all good.

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It's not a dumb solution. A future where everyone has a fair chance in life without being set back by factors decided against their own will, is much better than having a few geniuses out of a hundred below average people.

I'll stop here though cause this debate's stale now lol

hitler would be proud of you soni

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Originally Posted by soni

It's not a dumb solution. A future where everyone has a fair chance in life without being set back by factors decided against their own will, is much better than having a few geniuses out of a hundred below average people.

I'll stop here though cause this debate's stale now lol

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dude thats the outcome not the solution, also the amount dumb shit and other solutions ppl could have for other problems if this went thru which would never happen could be anything. the amount of random shit that would happen, like rebelion n shit and just basically preventing legends from being born, its like ur smoking something lol

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Originally Posted by Vickachu

hitler would be proud of you soni

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basically this.

The **** these threads all about ?

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

dude thats the outcome not the solution, also the amount dumb shit and other solutions ppl could have for other problems if this went thru which would never happen could be anything. the amount of random shit that would happen, like rebelion n shit and just basically preventing legends from being born, its like ur smoking something lol



basically this.

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idk man Hitler was a pretty cool guy i bet if he played gunz he would be a d-styler

someone smoked too much jayjay and now he's some sort of super Fascist.

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Originally Posted by Miko pls

The **** these threads all about ?

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Definitely agrees on this one.

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Originally Posted by soni

idk man Hitler was a pretty cool guy i bet if he played gunz he would be a d-styler

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they should sterilize YOU

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Originally Posted by Vickachu

they should sterilize YOU

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Yeah I think I said earlier I'm the result of a poor family's upbringing and I'd be okay with it. You say that as if its an insult lmao. Yo calm pls. This thread is over.

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Originally Posted by soni

Yeah I think I said earlier I'm the result of a poor family's upbringing and I'd be okay with it. You say that as if its an insult lmao. Yo calm pls. This thread is over.

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you dont even seem to realize what kind of philosophy you are getting yourself into. everything about it is no no no

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Originally Posted by soni

Yeah I think I said earlier I'm the result of a poor family's upbringing and I'd be okay with it. You say that as if its an insult lmao. Yo calm pls. This thread is over.

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poor uneducated family? plus didnt reply to my last reply on the top of this page, just saying

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Originally Posted by Vickachu

you dont even seem to realize what kind of philosophy you are getting yourself into. everything about it is no no no

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just go fall asleep randomly

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

poor uneducated family? plus didnt reply to my last reply on the top of this page, just saying

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I saw your reply. I don't feel like doing this anymore man. I'm just gonna take a step back away from all of this. Why do I even bother arguing my opinions on here...


Someone close thread?

Enough goldfish IQ talk.