Dagger Style Build via Skill Levels.

I'm making this in the way that i am so players learning can actually play mkre often and bot be frustrated while learning. Also because I want to tell people that if the don't learn certain techniques/move/skills, they won't be.... Well yea here you guys go, I'll let the thread speak for itself.

The Builds: Every build covers evey thing that must be learned, defences against every type of thing, shooting moves, aerial moves. There will be a build focused towards skills from gery easy difficulty to very hard. So you can still play and not stay in a training room all day. You can play with a beginner build if you are a beginner and upgrade slowly to the next build.

D-Style Legend Build:

Key config: To D-Style, you must be able to press your reload, switch to dagger and any of your movement keys WASD all at the same tike and any given moment. If you can't press D, reload and switch to dagger because r is your reload and 1 or q to switch to dagger, you have to fix that.
Example of a failed set up: R reload, wasd movement, 1 dagger. You would use index finger to press R, but index finger is also used to press d, therefore, you now cannot do many dstyle moves to the right, nice. Ring finger to press 1, ring finger to press A, nice, you cant do more than half of dstyle moves to the left as well, nice job mate!

Ideal configuration #1:
WASD - movement
Shift & 1 - Dagger
2 - Gun 1
3 - Gun 2
4 & 5 - Items
Right click - Reload
Left click - Fire
F - Alternative Fire

Ideal configuration #2:
WASD - movement
Shift & 1- Dagger
Q - Gun 1
E - Gun 2
4 & 5 - Items
Right click - Reload
Left click - Fire
F - Alternative Fire

Ideal configuration #3:
WASD - movement
Shift & 1- Dagger
Scroll - Gun 1
E - Gun 2
4 & 5 - Items
Right click - Reload
Left click - Fire
F - Alternative Fire

Ideal configuration #4:
WASD - movement
Shift & 1 or Right click - Dagger
2 or Q or scroll down/up - Gun 1
3 or E - Gun 2
4 & 5 - Items
Middle mouse button - Reload
Left click - Fire
Shift - Alternative Fire

Ideal configuration #5:
WASD - movement
Shift & 1 - Dagger
2 or Q or scroll down/up - Gun 1
3 or E - Gun 2
4 & 5 - Items
Middle mouse button or Right click - Reload
Left click - Fire
F - Alternative Fire

10/10 aim and lead, never get recoiled or massived, 10/10 elunge hit accuracy
Offensive Melee:
Speed Train:
Description: A dash canceled as much as possible by a stab, then the stab is canceled by just moving
Prerequisites: Dagger Train

Stob:
Description: when a stab hits an opponent just before they fully jump, canceling thier jump and crashes them down to the ground ehich often leads to a ground slash- leaving them wide open. The ground slash happens if they were spamming any form of butterfly, so upon jumping, they left click to slash, but if your stab hit just as they jump, the slash will be a ground slash.
Prerequisites: None

Stab x2:
Description: Double BF, without the blocks.
Prerequisites: DTrain

Static Stab x2:
Description: DBF without the dashes. This move is harder than the above one because you have to left click twice to stab twice in a jump and unlike ground stabs, you cannot just left click any time to do a stab after a previous one in a jump for some reason. There is a specific timing.
Prerequisites: None

Stab x3:
Description: TBF with the dash. Requires the specific timing of static stabbing, whereas Stab x2 doesn't really for some reason.
Prerequisites: Stab x2, DTrain

Phantom Stab:
Description: While standing beside an opponent blocking with a sword(s), this technique allows you to stab right through their block with certain positioning.
Prerequisites: None

Block Tap:
Prerequisites: Block tap is mainly used with Float step and Quick stab moves, so, learn those.

Team Insta:
Prerequisites: Often used with E-Lunge, learn E-Lunge

Massive Charge Slide:
Prerequisites: None

Tip Stab:
Prerequisites: Stab Lead when it comes to facing different pings

Stab Lead:
Prerequisites: Tip Stab

Quick Stab:
Prerequisites: None

Double Quick Stab:
Prerequisites: You actually don't need to learn quick stab for this

Phantom Quick Stab:
Prerequisites: You needa learn quick stab, lol.

Phantom Double Quick Stab:
Prerequisites: Learn Double Quick Stab

Phantom Dash Quick Stab:
Prerequisites: Phantom Dash, Quick Stab

Phantom Dash Double Quick Stab:
Prerequisites: Phantom Dash, Double Quick Stab

Dagger Machine: (its complicated ) but you want to have phasing mastered-- Learn DTrain, float step, double stab, double quick stab, quick stab, block tap, speed train. basically every offensive melee move in this build.
if you know elunge, you gotta use e lunge curve, phantom dash ecurve, pdash elunge tap, elunge tap,

Defensive/Counter Moves:
Defensive/Counter Attack D-Style moves against melee attacks:

Against massives not delayed when recoiled
54. Ghost Evade
55. Magician’s Switch: Prerequisites: The above move

Against all massives, excluding when just previously recoiled/stunned
56. Massive Stun Slide: Prerequisites: None
57. Reload Massive Stun Slide: Prerequisites: Above
58. Massive End: Prerequisites: None
59. Last Stance: Prerequisites: Above move

Against very delayed massives when recoiled
62. Massive End Dagger Gattle: Prerequisites: DTrain, lunge tap
63. Lunge Phantom: Prerequisites: None, you just lunge with timing, lol.

Against any melee attack combined with jump/any melee attack/rocket/grenade explosion that would hit you waist up
64. Look down Phantom: Prerequisites: None
65. Phantom Dash: Prerequisites: None

Against any attack except when just previously recoiled/stunned
66. Tumble Phantom: Prerequisites: None

D-Style Evasion Moves, defence against shots:
Evasion is all these moves used in different combinations with a garantee to dodge bullets. The core evasion step being used is After Image Evasion, which is: bounce switch dash(sd) - reverse float - bounce sd. Start off by learning that. You can do thinfs like float step then two switch dashes in air before landing then chain a bounce switch dash followed by a reverse dagger flash. Its all up to you at first.
69. Dagger Flash (D-Flash): Prerequisites: Reverse Stab, DTrain
70. Double Dagger Flash (DD-Flash, not named after me lol, srsly): Prerequisites: The moves just above
71. Reverse Stab (R-Stab): DTrain
72. Reverse Quick Stab: Prerequisites: Reverse Stab, Quick stab
73. Panic Dash: Prerequisites: Above
74. Reverse Float (R-Float): Prerequisites: DTrain, Float step
75. Reverse Flash (R-Flash): Prerequisites: Above + Dagger Flash
76. Reverse Double Flash (RD-Flash): Prerequisites: Above
91. Bounce Dash: Prerequisites: None
92. After Image Evasion (AI Evasion, Mother to all these moves…): Prerequisites: Bounce Switch Dash, Reverse Float
93. Bounce Dagger Hop: Prerequisites: Bounce Dash, Dagger Hop
The evasion moves below are legendary, PM me or reply if you want to know more about them.
114. Double Jump Dagger Flash (DJDF, 4 Dashes, 1 Jump). :
115. Double Jump Double Dagger Flash (DJDDF, 5 dashes, 1 jump)
116. Double Jump is still new to me, there’s a ton more techniques with it, would require me to actually think, which I haven’t really done when writing most of the moves in this huge list. Adding Double Jump variations to everything that starts initially with a jump is a lot so let’s skip that also on the Gun moves.
117. Double Jump 360 Dagger Flash
118. Double Jump 360 Double Dagger Flash (The most After Image in the game so far that I can think of, never even achieved this technique yet…Oh, or the one above this one lol).
 Wall Transportation Oriented D-Style Moves (Wall climbs, etc):
119. Wall Cancel (The dagger version) : Prerequisites: DTrain, Float step, DHop
120. Double Stab Wall Cancel: Prerequisites: Same as above
121. Hells Climb (Hellsclimb?): Prerequisites: Same as above because you need those moves to get to the wall first
123. Gravity Shift: Prerequisites: DTrain, wall run
124. Multi Wall run: Prerequisites: Above, and maybe dagger hop. Yeah.

Shooting moves, Ahh yes, my favourite part!
Reload Shot:
Prerequisites: Swap Shot

SlingRS:
Prerequisites: Switch Dash, RS

Bounced SlingRS:
Prerequisites: Bounce Switch Dash + Above

Shimmer Reload Shot:
Prerequisites: Switch Dash, RS

YoyoRSH, means Yoyo Reload Shot Half:
Prerequisites: Yoyo, RS, Shimmer Shot

RSYoyo:
Prerequisites: RS, Yoyo

YoyoRS:
Prerequisites: Same as above

TumbleRS:
Prerequisites: RS, This move is shimmer shot basically but with just guns
Pot shooting: YoyoSh, means yoyo shimmer, Yoyo, Shs
Blink half: Prerequisites: Blink step, Shs (Shimmer shot)
Wall/aerial shooting moves:
No name: You Wall jump and rs, then double quick stab back to the wall and repeat
Tricky aerial maneuvers, basically anything:
- Wall/Aerial yoyo/blink, wall run yoyo/blink, and w/e else u can be tricky with.

any move not in the last dstyle move build means u dont use it.

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Secret evasion technique to dodge bullets:

I've kept this to my self and people who personally ask me how for years since 2011. I haven't seen any dstyler use this beaides Joel, backward, ddaggerdd, Tina, flytermo, zefard. This technique itself is one of the discoveries that has lead dstyle up in the ranks and its a technique that can only be done by with a dagger. After image is when your character's animations are chained so quickly that the game cannot send the packets to another players client fast enough to keep up with the next animation. This results in animations being skipped altogether and a players character DISAPEARS.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHYsFChX5kA

The player here is backward and he is not lagging. You see him in one position and he then appears somewhere else as if it is spike teleporting. This is after image evasion. Not spike by ping. This cannot be seen in replays ever, nor can the player performing it see it. It can only be seen b others watching it in real time. This glitch differs from animation freeze. With animation freeze, if you chain two of the same animations together, it locks them into no animation. With after image, its the opposite. Its with different animations. A chaining animation must be different from the previous one.

Example: Dash left - dash left = animation lock. Dash left - Dash right there is no animation lock, but also no after image. There must be an animation between the two different dashes, this animation will be when you disapear and after it, you re-appear. Dash left - Jump - Dash right or left or just elnt do the first dash at all, and the jump it self will not show. From standing animation to jump animation to dash animation. The game cannot keep up with the chainin jump followed by a dash. This technique is called a bounce, and in this example, we are bouncing and dash, herefore this move is a bounced dash.


There are many combinations and secrets to even disapearing during a yoyo itself, makin yoyo more evasive. You can chain an after image glitch to anothe one, resulting in your character disapearing for a longer time. DStyle is better than you think and theres so much more peoplemdont know about its a shame and they just grab a sword. I can after image 24/7 with my eyes closed. You cant see it in player videos on youtube because they recorded a replay. Te would have to have another player record them playing in real time. Just as in the gideo i have linked.

If people even care, ill post a more thourogh guide to after imaging.

wow u have too much free time

update: edited the original post by organizkng it with bold sub titles and some colour

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Originally Posted by mr guy

wow u have too much free time

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copy n pasted half of it, also, no such thing as too much!

Please, add a tutorial for it. :)

Add a Video of 30 min explaining all should be more easy ^^!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Neee

Add a Video of 30 min explaining all should be more easy ^^!!!!!!

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i cant atm for some time because no computer, but i will make a video probably wen i can use a computer. But for now just know if you guys at least know these moves besides the evasion part, u can be a top player in gunz with dstyle. ask sefard in game or pivv is all i can suggest to lewrn the moves. for evasion learn ai evasion = bounce switch dash, reverse float, then boujce switch dash. thats a core evasion move zief and pivv can do them.

update: added tumbleRS to the dstyle legend build. Forgot that 1.

oh another llayer that has some knowledge on this stuff while learning themselves is AznNinja, not sure biut his ign but thats his forum name, you can train with him i guess. this thread is honestly the best i can offer when it comes to knowin to dstyle without not knowing how to counter certain problems with it. dont overlook this if your into dstyle. Holy grail. The top dstylers play exactly like this and only with these moves. i've shown them a log time ago. no computer to use to show tou he movez, most of the shooting moves have a guide already called expert dstyle guide on **********.com

--------Update: i shortened the original post and removed a lot of evasion techniques and removed the beginner build. Me posting this build, im saying that the legend build is the reason we can not only compare to kstyle, but dismantle it.

most of the steps for these moves are out. if you cant find something message me here and ill reply.

---------IMPORTANT HUGE UPDATE: Added "the secret on dodging bullets" a release on the technique after image.

Relating to after image: I can even do an animation just before getting massived and one right after getting massived and cut off the massive hit stun animation i recieve. People are playing in ancient times in regards to kstyle compared to dstyle. I posted this on my phone.... best i can do.

This post sounds like a build in LoL
I'm going to try it out though

hey, guys, theres another path you can take besides this that im sure of, this is made for maximum damage without sacrificing momentum, etc. but theres a total evasionist build ill post later. it comes down to aim + shooting vs. evasive movement + aim + fewer shots. cuz the more evasive u are, the less u are shooting. so... but i think it works out only with after image evasion. just gotta find the moves that allow u to shoot that have ai.

awesome update: added THE NECESSARY key configurations. Now unless you have a mouse with side buttons, you have to use these.

oh yea lunge can be c or just something around f.

All of those moves you posted, I presume you can do them all?

Nothing frustrates me more than someone telling you how something is done but then can't actually do it them selves.

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Originally Posted by Notorious

All of those moves you posted, I presume you can do them all?

Nothing frustrates me more than someone telling you how something is done but then can't actually do it them selves.

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lol. yea, i can do them all.

Nice cooolio update: started adding descriptions to the moves and also started adding the required moves to learn other ones. Going to add the steps on how to do all the moves here as well. I'm doing this now because I know that most of these moves haven't been released in any guide and the only way to even see them is by catching me or some other experienced dstyler online than almost never plays. lol, sorry bout that. Can't put add videos yet, but I the descriptions should give you an idea what the move is.

I'll finish it all later and colour it up, bold, organize it.

DD out!

It's aimable and i can aim it and many others can i don't really see the point on using this

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Originally Posted by Arances

It's aimable and i can aim it and many others can i don't really see the point on using this

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I have no idea what you are talking about. :/

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

I have no idea what you are talking about. :/

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the video you showed ...

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Originally Posted by Arances

the video you showed ...

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oh, well, you can try aiming it. But saying its aimable and others can aim at it when others here now havent really aimed at me or flytermo or anyone in the list of ppl i said is ignorant because how can you say others can aim at it without knowing they can lol.

Anyway instead of talking about aiming at someone in text, better to do it in game. So my response: You can try, but can't touch this. No one in history has ever been pb'd even while doing after image evasion. If your the first, then lol.

so you have hitbox (head, body, etc)
where u can be hit
its placed on the character model
just because you are invisible
like ur character model is gone
as it appears to be in his "after image blalba
doesn't mean you can't be hit

PS:
you are making claims and not backing them up. just because you're invisible for a short period of time does not have to mean your hitbox disappears. (would like to see devmode recording if so). + decent twitch aimers will still be able to hit you good enough.

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Originally Posted by Arances

so you have hitbox (head, body, etc)
where u can be hit
its placed on the character model
just because you are invisible
like ur character model is gone
as it appears to be in his "after image blalba
doesn't mean you can't be hit

PS:
you are making claims and not backing them up. just because you're invisible for a short period of time does not have to mean your hitbox disappears. (would like to see devmode recording if so). + decent twitch aimers will still be able to hit you good enough.

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I never said anything about hitboxes, stop. o-o

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

I never said anything about hitboxes, stop. o-o

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Ok are you retarded??, you are basically explaining with your afterimage shit and evasion bla bla bla That basically used 2 not get hitted so i explained that even if theres that afterimage you'll still be hitted even if the character model disappeared for 1 sec.

No need to argue whether or not you can be hit during it. That would be difficult to prove anyway unless you can find an active dstyler on fgunz and test it out or something. All DD is saying is that it is a very highly evasive move, and the move itself is even deceitful in that while aiming the enemy's position will rapidly move, similar to a spike.

Yes, even the best aimers such as myself can hit it, sure. But every single player who comes across this move in combat will have to take a split second of hesitation/readjustment in their aim, no matter the aiming style. This, without a doubt, is one of the reasons why d-style once completely mastered destroys k-style.

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Originally Posted by Arances

Ok are you retarded??, you are basically explaining with your afterimage shit and evasion bla bla bla That basically used 2 not get hitted so i explained that even if theres that afterimage you'll still be hitted even if the character model disappeared for 1 sec.

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i never said you could not take damage during the spikes. Stop! Men!

I jump and start an after image move, you aim at me and shoot me when I start. You miss. How it works is humans aim at what they see, not a wall, so you aim at me when im just starting the move before i disapear but i would insta disapear and my position would change, juking you if you would try to shoot me not during the spike but right before it. Even if you tried to shoot me during the spike, or after, how would you know where im goin to re-apear? i could come back visible on the right side instead of the left and vice versa. This technique is the maximum evasion technique in gunz the duel. There are many different patters and moves i can do that can produce after imaging. So you wouldnt be able to train your mind or predict them because i know and use a huge variety of evasion moves in gameplay, never chaining the same one over and over. If you saw the original list of evasion moves here, then you have an idea of how much variety i can get(all of those = ai).

People place their xhair on me where they see me, and line up and shoot so during the after image parts, they wait till i re appear and shoot at the end of the move but i can chain another after image and you dont know where im re appearing hence almost impossible to lead and i only play lead games as well, almost only.

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

i never said you could not take damage during the spikes. Stop! Men!

I jump and start an after image move, you aim at me and shoot me when I start. You miss. How it works is humans aim at what they see, not a wall, so you aim at me when im just starting the move before i disapear but i would insta disapear and my position would change, juking you if you would try to shoot me not during the spike but right before it. Even if you tried to shoot me during the spike, or after, how would you know where im goin to re-apear? i could come back visible on the right side instead of the left and vice versa. This technique is the maximum evasion technique in gunz the duel. There are many different patters and moves i can do that can produce after imaging. So you wouldnt be able to train your mind or predict them because i know and use a huge variety of evasion moves in gameplay, never chaining the same one over and over. If you saw the original list of evasion moves here, then you have an idea of how much variety i can get(all of those = ai).

People place their xhair on me where they see me, and line up and shoot so during the after image parts, they wait till i re appear and shoot at the end of the move but i can chain another after image and you dont know where im re appearing hence almost impossible to lead and i only play lead games as well, almost only.

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You know what you are kid? just a ****ing guy who uses fancy words on movements to look like he knows shit but that's not the truth stop trying to look smart it's 2014 no one gives a **** about your shit.

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Originally Posted by Arances

You know what you are kid? just a ****ing guy who uses fancy words on movements to look like he knows shit but that's not the truth stop trying to look smart it's 2014 no one gives a **** about your shit.

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Just don't reply to this thread, I agree with you fancy words for 'pro ass movements' which are 'faster than k-style' which makes you evade hits more.
I agree with you but it's not smart to reply to it .-..

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Originally Posted by notSteff

Just don't reply to this thread, I agree with you fancy words for 'pro ass movements' which are 'faster than k-style' which makes you evade hits more.
I agree with you but it's not smart to reply to it .-..

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ofc he'll use some fancy words against me and make me look dumb because thats what he does "evasive" "afterimage" rofl.

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Originally Posted by Arances

ofc he'll use some fancy words against me and make me look dumb because thats what he does "evasive" "afterimage" rofl.

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so basically you couldnt understand and just made a rage reply because you get confused by the words "evasion" and "after image" . i said after image is a glitch and you acting like these two words are too much for you = then yes, you are dumb.

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Originally Posted by DDaggerDD

so basically you couldnt understand and just made a rage reply because you get confused by the words "evasion" and "after image" . i said after image is a glitch and you acting like these two words are too much for you = then yes, you are dumb.

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'Those fancy words are nice but nothing to back it up. Dstyle can't be better/faster than kstyle'

I'm just saying what I have discovered and it's just to back ur Arances because I know he thinks the same '-'.

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Originally Posted by notSteff

'Those fancy words are nice but nothing to back it up. Dstyle can't be better/faster than kstyle'

I'm just saying what I have discovered and it's just to back ur Arances because I know he thinks the same '-'.

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well i cant argue against you, you yourself havent said anything here directly to my posts. arcanes did but all he is saying now is randomness, i respect you though with your legit replies in threads even though we dont always agree.

Arc just took the post the wrong way.

He's not saying you can't completely get it, He means its harder to aim at the person performing it. That's it.

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well i cant argue against you, you yourself havent said anything here directly to my posts. arcanes did but all he is saying now is randomness, i respect you though with your legit replies in threads even though we dont always agree.

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rofl randomness ok a guy who cant back up what he says.

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Originally Posted by Arances

rofl randomness ok a guy who cant back up what he says.

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stop saying i cant back up my claims, you arent saying anything against them besides just saying the hitbkxes dont go away as well and i didnt say they go away wit the character i just said the character disapears, your assuming i believe the hitboxes go away as well.

jeez cant even msg* ppl srsly. saying rofl and talking about words being fancy and then you go back on topic and off topic with claims about a person or their words. cmon man just talk/send msg.

Arances should be warned to not post in this thread further if he is not contributing. All these posts are just flame. No one cares if you can hit when the character disappears, that's just a guess at best. It's an evasive move, period. End of story.

@NotSteff Kinda embarrassed that you think a k-styler can move faster than a d-styler, but okay..........?

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Originally Posted by Suggestive

Arances should be warned to not post in this thread further if he is not contributing. All these posts are just flame. No one cares if you can hit when the character disappears, that's just a guess at best. It's an evasive move, period. End of story.

@NotSteff Kinda embarrassed that you think a k-styler can move faster than a d-styler, but okay..........?

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ye bout arcanes, also, was on played 4v4 wid hells rick n c-4, was able to play with no set backs besides rusty cuz at friends house. Also dont get on steff like thaat cuz kstyle can many times, be faster than dstyle when it comes to chaining shooting moves.

Chaining shooting moves - big maybe. I'm not a d-styler, but k-style pretty much only has late dash techniques. D-style has several techniques to keep up the evasion while shooting. Maybe for now it's all opinion, but I've always thought d-style was much more evasive once fully mastered.

p.s. learn c++ pls

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Originally Posted by Suggestive

Chaining shooting moves - big maybe. I'm not a d-styler, but k-style pretty much only has late dash techniques. D-style has several techniques to keep up the evasion while shooting. Maybe for now it's all opinion, but I've always thought d-style was much more evasive once fully mastered.

p.s. learn c++ pls

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well kstylers can chain their single dash single shot move (slash shot) faster than dstyle's version, blinkstep chains slower, regular yoyo chains slower and even slingshot is slower in chaining, well, only if the slash shot is at maximum speed (almost insta jump cancels with slash shot's dash). sling shot, ur jump cannot be canceled when you are able to do it cuz of the shot, however the shot comes out before a slash shot's shot would because with slingshot, and yoyo and shimmer shot moves and variations, the shots are up to date and come out first, even while chaining, for example yoyo, im saying yoyo u just can chain yoyo without slowing down shot speed but the movement chains slower. my fastest chained move compared to dhs chains and gdhs chains would be ldyoyorsh.

hi ddagger
let's play tf2
**** dstyle, kstyle, and donators

meh, might as well release a little secret: Its about yoyoing/jumping and switching to gun on male before shooting... meh nvm. Dun wanna help kstylers, yall can figure it out. Its basically a key difference between male and female characters. Think you know all the key differences between em? Reply here, thanks.

did suggestive kill ur thread


bump

soo, anyone think they know the key differences between male and female characters?

I assure you that a tutorial video would be a lot more effective for those individuals who would like to learn some of these moves.

If anybody wants to learn about how to do these glitches, what they're for and how they work, feel free to ask me. I love teaching people about techniques and glitch mechanics and I know pretty much every move listed in the first post.

My IGN is the same as my forum name.