The other poll was misleading
Remove [R] = Yes
Don't remove [R] = No
Remove from tdms/duel rooms option 3 added kkk
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The other poll was misleading
Remove [R] = Yes
Don't remove [R] = No
Remove from tdms/duel rooms option 3 added kkk
Remove from tdms/duel rooms - best solution imo
Best solution would be. make your own room without [r] lol
we all learned to k style etc because we had too and from that, we learned about the game and came to love it
nowadays you can equip sniper and learn SPB + RS 2 shot anyone.
i voted yes !!!!
made a new poll cause lost the other one yay for democracy!
Son URE probably one of this fahgots who only play 'r' only and spam and when you go into clanwars lol u get dropt cause you'll
Be like OMG SPAM IT HAS R!!! Oh wait I have to reload . Idiot newgen trash
add [r] to cw
Seriously makes me sad for gunz when i see people voting no..
If there would be like 40 yes, 25 no 15 'just from tdm/duel halls' I could imagine they would remove it from tdm's and halls since it would stack up to 55 votes.
But then again it's fgunz, removing uber meds and ghost set to balance, adds [R] to unbalance again !
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voted yes.
Remove this ofc to avoid spamming. I Feel bad when ppl vote no. -.-
for tdm's and duels only.
I got an idea .........
Maybe the owners will make other channel like the free channel.
Just with out r in it and if u want r go play the free channel
If u dont want it just go the free style no r channel
AND STOP CRY TO KICK R CAUSE U DONT KNOW TO RELOAD SHOT NOOBS
it shouldn't be removed completely, removing [R] means removing the other game modes,
e.g
imagine no [R] at Infected? LOL.
if [dmg 3] is not applicable in there and [R] would be removed completely
might as well they remove the Infected game mode.
just a piece of thought. if I did such an offensive comment Sorry in adv.
I can imagine infected without the [r] mod. It'll balance the mode since the players in general are so op with their sprays that shoot at you non stop due to the [r] mod and pretty much recoils you and pushes you back everytime you try to attempt to attack the humans as a zombie. If we get rid of the [r] mod maybe sprays can't spam all the time and thus you can charge at them while they're reloading instead of just getting raped by sprays.
It could work, but then again, the game is dieing. The player amount is decreasing, cutting that in half (by the looks of the poll) would only cause emptier rooms and emptier channels. This and the previous poll has already proven that it wouldn't be a bad idea to change the way things are. A lot of people are having issues with this, but that doesn't mean you have to split up the ones who do and who don't. I feel like splitting up the players is just going to escalate the whole process of this game dieing. But thats just my humble opinion
make this man president
also, why do people who obviously know so ****ing little about this game get to vote on what its like?
its already cut in half, you have your hardcore players that want deathmatch and tdm to be as vanilla as cw is [ or at least used to be AKA like ijji].
then you have everybody else, puking their ideas all over the place and your trying to scrape all the vomit off the thread but its already too late
the forums are soggy with nub vomit.
at the end of the day, its the hardcore players that play everyday and give the server life, then you just have this ocean of brs/laggers/mexicans/snipers/retards/nubs that just spam argue and report each other all day long and go around killing any kind of a good game with their stupid fking hiding and not helping their team, camping and using mines or general hiding and sniping etc.
im in my cc right now, there is no TDM that is not like 24/24 players and full of snipers 1 hit grenades elements and brs.
How are they gonna learn to play at the skill level of the good players on this server when gunz is made so easy for them.
no one is cwing either, to me fgunz is already dead.
You know I was like.. clan wars has no tags on it, the only clean place there is left for the really competitive players, yet they want to move "cw" back to tdm? (tell me if I am wrong)
For me, I do not care if the room has R, IA, V in it.. I am just more of a "I play once a while so I am fine with what there is" player, but I wonder if this would change that much on the game itself (well the server), it is more of.. how many potential players would we gain if we apply this feature on TDM/Duel.
You're no better then the other side, I hope you realize that. Just because you have a different perspective of this game doesn't mean everybody needs to have that perspective, the br's or however you want to describe them, like to play casual so what? I say let them play casual but don't make the game casual, make those TDM and duels challenging, the way they are supposed to be. And if you have some fun rooms with tags thats fine by me, but R just takes out every challenging bit out of matches, therefore I support the removal.
I think most of the players that want R gone would use the argument that there no longer is any challenge in the regular TDM if it's not vanilla.
Since I misread the poll (I though it was R + IA *herpderp*), I'd say sure remove R from TDM, DM and Duels.
There are plenty of people on the server that can rs without the R tag (I am one of them *happy face*), Dave y u no disable son.
IMO r mod is just fine, its the low delay weapons thats causing the spamming.
40/20 kkkk
Delete that shit what are we 12?
whats next [IH] infinite fcking hp?
I count 30/21/11, not 40/20 lol.
Anyway even though I don't like the roomtags, I have to vote for no since it's a big part of the game now. It's like suddenly removing anti-lead.
Of course the people who CW, duel and play in TDM may not like it, but it is what it is.
Feel free to suggest a good replacement or modification of this roomtag though.
1not more than 1 room tag in a room
2remove it from tdms
3no meds in a room with [r]
4reduce damage of any weapon in [r] rooms
edit; [r] is not simulair to removing antilead
and count is 40/20 for removing it atleast from tdms/halls because who voted yes automatically voted tdms/halls too
oo wellll
i will work on more suggestion after i finished smite
1. Roomtags are there to be combined which makes it fun. (Obviously the serious players do mind it)
2. Only thing that makes a bit of sense, but I think players should still be able to use it in all game modes.
3. I don't see why meds should be prohibited because of the R roomtag.
4. Imo a core thing of the game should not be changed because a certain roomtag is used.
so basicly dave you are going to do nothing at all. well i dont think i just speak for myself now if I say that if nothing changes im out. I want to play fgunz but fgunz is no more. its Ezgunz now
The fact that [R] is a big part of the game now doesn't mean it is a good thing. Sure, I can see the benefits and the fun of it, but it has more disadvantages than advantages. Today when you join a room with [R] and [IA], all you need to know is how to aim well(or you can just spam like there is no tomorrow). But before, it was different ; You actually needed to know how to play smart. As someone said, and I'm quoting : "How are they gonna learn to play at the skill level of the good players on this server when gunz is made so easy for them." [R] completely destroys the gameplay.
And no, it's not like suddenly removing the anti-lead. The skilled people and the oldgens love oldschool, and the newgens love the way it is now. This is how you want people to remember Freestyle Gunz? As a server where newgens spray bullets like there is no tomorrow because it's "fun" and it makes easy life?
It's not so easy to find a good solution for this, but you won't find a good solution till you try it. I'm sorry for saying this, but it looks like you try to find reasons why shouldn't you remove it instead of finding reasons why should you. The best solution imo is to remove [R] from Duels/TDMs/DMs. I'm not saying to remove this roomtag completely, but why don't you try to remove it from specific game modes?
It's called arguing, such a big change will not just happen for no reason.
That's more like a personal opinion, some people may not see any disadvantages.
Indeed you're right, you're supposed to convince me and the rest of the development team on why we should remove it or modify it's functionality.
Simply stating "just remove it and see how it works out" isn't what I'm looking for.
If he does that I'll go to your house and shit on your face.
Yea the noobs spamming [r] alldayerryday.
Let's see.. why to remove it... hmmm..
Well, for one the skill level of this server has decreased overall.
I see more people complaining about it rather than praising it.
If you play the game enough you'd realize people are abusing it (but hey, what's a game mode if it can't be abused).
Personally I see a very good option that's up there.. "remove it from tdms, and duels". If you're not willing to try to remove it overall then you should at least try that, altho it'll probably take some extra coding.
Probably should call it SpamGz
To me this situation seems more like when people had complained about how op the donors were. And I'm not sure but I think there were a few polls about it, and everytime there was a poll it came out close. Because the ppl with no skill kept voting to keep them op. And if my recollection is right, you guys changed that. Now I see there's no sign of anything being op when I play.. People rarely even use the donor meds cuz they can use vials instead. (and I remember back in the day the donor meds used to go up to 45 a piece if you bought the uber ones). Point is, ommadawn isn't necessarily wrong in saying "try it and see what happens". Sometimes you gotta do that, as I'm pretty sure you did that in that situation. But who knows, I may just be talking about shit idk.
Oh and I almost forgot... the ghost set is another example HUEHEUEHUE.
Ghost set was the best against u guys in artemis.^
1. Poll states that much more persons wants [R] to be removed. (46/22) | (35/22/11).
2. Fgunz had more players online before [R] was introduced.
3. [R] ruins the game.
I think points 1 and 2 should be enough for it to be removed. But, if the opinions of the majority doesn't matter, you should let us know so we can stop wasting our time trying to get it removed. The poll has already said enough. Also, prove me wrong about the player count. If I remember correctly, before [R] was introduced on weekends there were 500 people getting online or close to it. Now it's probably 350 players on average on weekends.
They're willing to change that what in their eyes makes the difference between this server and any other, perhaps you should take the opportunity with both hands and try to work together instead of decreasing the chance of them changing anything at all. The argument of him needing to be convinced is only fair, and thats what we should do. Also, you can't put the player count blame on just one thing, a lot of things happened as to why we got that much players, and why they slowly keep quitting.
I think the best solution, to keep everybody satisfied is to remove the [R] tag from TDM and Duel rooms. If you look at it like this: What is the purpose of TDM / Duel rooms? The duel room is easy, it's purely there to test your personal skills by going 1 on 1. The TDM is somewhat difficult, people might just play that for fun like I used to, but competitive people might want to use it as warm up. One thing that we can state is true that the [R] tag is making things easier in both occasions, therefore [R] has no reason to be in the duel room since thats purely for skill. It wouldn't harm to remove [R] from TDM as well based on the recent poll results. Other game modes can still use the tag to improve player experience in those rooms.
I think this would be a big step between a part of this community and the dev team if the above could get accomplished.
I dont really get why it can not be removed from duels and TDMs, anyone who plays these modes at all will tell you, with [r], it is not enjoyable. The amount of BRs who love [r] on this server is crazy, so I understand why it cannot be fully removed but just remove it from modes like TDM and duels, to keep your more "serious" fanbase happy.
So the only reason you can think of to possibly motivate the removal of [R] is because someone plays the game different than you and uses the tag to it's fullest.
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Again the arrogant attitude, for once try to be nice and have a normal discussion instead of acting like a douche again. There are some decent arguments for both sides in here, you can do more then post some troll gif. Take an example to your admin, he at least is trying to reason with everyone, unlike you.
FGunZ is fairly inactive.
It's mostly the same 200 players online everyday and barely people join fgunz.
There are more people leaving than joining, at first when CW features got added I assumed it would increase the amount of players.
I was wrong because clan-war people don't just clanwar but also want to play tdms an such.
Giving a person a whole different spam no aim like feeling when he just joined fgunz wont make him stay.
I know for a fact [R] wont be removed 100%, but can you tell me why not just remove it from tdm's and that mode only?
The chances of people joining AND staying would be much higher, not to mention preventing people from leaving.
I know FGunZ won't stay for ever but [R] does something with the life span of FGunZ and it aint making it longer.
The ''oldgens enjoy the game without [r]'' argument is bullshit.
Theres enough ''oldgens'' who like the tag. I've been palying GunZ since 2005. And I LOVE [R]
I don't spam like most people do, mainly cause I SS and DHS so spamming isn't really a thing.
I just hate having to wait around for people to get ammo, camp a little, camp some more, more camping... oh wait just a little bit more camping
get 2 shots in, rush to the ammo pack that respawned. kill the dude. It's boring IMO.
you AREN'T being forced to play with [R] tell me whatever you want.
Last few days when I've been logging on I've seen loads of rooms without tags being played in, decent TDM's and duels etc.
Why not let the people who enjoy [R] have their fun with it and we'll let you guys have your fun without it. Do whatever you like but I don't want to see the people who vote NO playing in an [R] room, don't be a hypocrite if you voted no.
[R] isn't for you? MAKE A ROOM WITHOUT [R]. Want people to learn the true way of GunZ? Be kind to them instead of bashing them cause they lack skill.
You aren't gaining support from people who enjoy [R] when they're being called ''newgens'', ''noobs'', ''Dmers''. If all they see from people who vote YES for removal are a bunch of ****s, then ofcourse they won't want to play with you guys.
Be kind to your community and the rest will follow, that's all I can say.
As someone who frequently plays TDM (mostly AnD), I can say that I don't have a problem with [R]. I imagine it wouldn't be too much fun in a duel though, but since I don't play those, I can't comment on them.
However, I find TDMs in which people camp with snipers and don't help their team to be unenjoyable.
Since that's not uncommon to see, I suppose I should just go play/make a room with [SGO]?
Although not put very elegantly, I think he has a valid point. The main reasoning I've seen here is that [R] "ruins the game". The only elaboration being "BRs and newgens love to spam", which is not only a weak argument, but fundamentally an arrogant attitude also. "Skilled and oldgen people love oldschool, and newgens love the way it is now." is a perfect summary of the recurring theme here. What an ignorant generalisation, it's not black and white. There are skilled and "oldgen" people who don't mind [R] or don't have an opinion, in the same way that there could be "newgen" people who are the opposite. Labeling people as such just makes you seem obnoxious, their opinions matter equally as much as yours.
Another thing that has me baffled is that if the majority of people (going by this thread's poll results) want [R] removed, why aren't there more rooms being created without the tag? Because surely there wouldn't be a problem with [R] if the majority didn't like it and made rooms accordingly. The only conclusion that I can come to is that the majority do not want [R] removed-- or don't care-- and that in itself disproves the results of this poll. Meaning that this thread is pandering to people with a certain playstyle while not being an accurate reflection of what players actually want.
I like you Steff, but your pessimistic attitude is just wrong. There are 11600 active users on GunZ atm, along with hundreds of new players on a weekly basis. I understand this wanting to remove [R], but do not tie a single thing with the servers survival. There are many factors that affect how many people play this server, and atm, it is on a growing trend.
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Honestly though.
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You should check out the thread before this, the one I made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzkiller
You are telling certain players' style to "**** off". These room tags add more flexibility with meta playstyles but also discourage others. So then, telling the discouraged styles to go their own way only negates player activity, communications, more tdms, dms, pvp rooms, more interactions. The solution is to aid people without discouraging other styles of play. Splitting the community by telling a group of players "don't play with us, make your own room" instead of finding a resolve is childish and ignorant if this thought process continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzkiller
The solution would be to make as many people as possible to actually like the content in the game. This means balancing out sniper gameplay so it is enjoyable to not only use, but to play against, would be the goal. Not to constantly split the player base as you constantly keep suggesting. If sniper gameplay discourages other playstyles immensively, then something should be done, instead of discouraging sniper and specifics all together. Many room tags have positives, but also come with negatves that should not be ignored and we should be aiming to retain the positives without the negatives instead of consistently come up with half assed resolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzkiller
The nades in gunz weren't made with the knowledge of how the meta gameplay would be. More items seen in pvp makes this more intersting, however, if there is a large group of players hating on a specific item, then obviously there needs to be soke balacing done instead of constantly splitting the player base by "styles of play". We should be aiming to unite everyone's style of play and make it enjoyable to fight against different playstyles. Hasn't anyone heard of balancing? Damn it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzkiller
at this rate, no one will be playing with no one. Seeing as how this is still going on, FGunZ staff seem to not be able to handle balacing, so basically: I dont know hownto make this work with this, so if there is anyone's playstyle that conflicts with *this*, then I'm sorry, but you're goin to have to make your own room or just play with a select few. At this rate, this server will be the opposite of diversity, since it's too hard to mix and match different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzkiller
Everything I said above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzkiller
Tags make certain player's styles more flexible and makes tameplay more open ended for more input with specific players, but at the same time, they discourage many other styles. There is a double negative. This results in the aided styles playing together and the discouraged atyles playin together, spliting the player base. It makes the player base seem much smaller when your actually playing since there is less people that you're actually able to interact with. With results in less player activity, less donations, and more. If you looked at my thread, I have tried my best to retain the positives without the negatives in regards to all this. There is no need for half asses resolves like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzkiller
So yea, ya dun know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzkiller
You know.. I do like the idea of making it unable to combine [R] & [IA] for a room, that way people still can use one of them in their room.
That could solve the problem in a way and still keep R in the game, but I actually doubt we will remove R from the game at all.
What we could do is run a poll on the website where players log in and vote for a possible change instead of the forum cause a lot of players are not active on our forum so they cannot discuss it with us.
I like to drag each player into this instead of just the forum active players, let everyone vote to see the outcome and see what the majority of the players want?
There is a good amount of people that do not know the real issues.
1. "Dont like to fight snipers, make SGO
- Issue is, fighting sniper gameplay with many playstyles of your own is boring as **** for a lot of people, but to disallow snipers is NOT A RESOLVE. You make it enjoyable to play and fight agains it.
Please tell me I'm not the only one here that can see things for what they really are. Thats just one issue guys, legit what is going ON here.
For me, this is a personal want not because of "Skill", but because of possible design space for new weapon diversity.
The main reason what typically all shotguns are the same is because say if you were to make a powerhouse with a bad clip/delay (Red Arquebus/Avenger MKII for example), [R] just makes those EXTREMELY overpowered regardless of how bad the clip size maybe or how high the delay is; hence is why none exist in fgunz.
Same can also be said for other weapons; especially with current rockets AND snipers (which you really can't nerf anymore) when spammed, notably in AnD rooms where no [ex] (referring to rockets) tags exist. I'm not saying I demand the removal, it just disappoints me that so many want to keep the tag(s) that impedes possible playstyle variations and currently only favors shotguns and snipers in an ironic attempt to balance everything out.
Getting on my NERVES.
The story:
1. Make sniper rifle for more diversity in gameplay
2. Make no sniper rifle tag for less diversity in gameplay
What IS GOING ON HERE. AM I THE ONLY ONE WITH COMMON SENSE HOLY SHIT LOL.
Add the question : Do you want to keep [R] or not on the forum launcher linking it to the poll, if they choose to ignore it thats their problem.
And so far the score is 37/13/25 which would lead to 50/25 for getting it out of TDMS.
I like you Wucas, but you have to keep in mind that people got multiple accounts and I doubt that those 11600 active users are all 11600 IPs.
There are online at a daily basis lets say 600 people (24 hour course).
It used to be more like when IJJI closed it would be like 1000, and the rising player count atm is because of the summer vacation that is comming.
People will choose what to server to go to after a few days it has worked like this for a long time.
I understand there are many factors, but I think (know a few examples) of people leaving because they got sick of [R].
How ever if you look below to my responds to stephan you will see a fairly good idea and if more people vote after that then just only remove it from tdms.
It would keep [R] and keep alot of people satisfied, it's like removing [DMG3] from quests without a poll or from infection and even got removed from tdms.
Add the question : Do you want to keep [R] or not on the forum launcher linking it to the poll, if they choose to ignore it thats their problem.
And so far the score is 37/13/25 which would lead to 50/25 for getting it out of TDMS.
Honestly though.
FGunZ staff, please I'm being sincere here.
You guys need to drop down solid SPECIFIC goals instead of just implementing things that seem cool.
The making of room tags, IF, were made to help reach a goal, that goal would be:
More freedom/flexibility with how people can play with multiple weapons/combos in fgunz. (not want, because that would automatically apply to can)
Okay here comes the good part.
If that was the goal, and you guys start brain storming ideas for that goal, instead of implementing things and jumping straight to the "hows", don't you think yall could have cane up with better inputs to reach this goal than room tags, which contradict against the goal.
These tags contradict these goals, read my longer post in this thread for details on that. Anyway, with this goal in mind, it would be better to make different types of shotguns, like avengers, hot shots, multiple types of sniper rifles such as semi auto, or long range power scope power house snipers. Those few ideas I dropped reach the goal better than these tags, they do not contradict. Now all you have to do is not rage quit making them balanced so they are fun to use and play against.
Man.... My common sense, I really feel I am the only one, besides dualage and steff (sometimes). (wucas is cool too).
Be kind? Coming from someone like you? Thats pretty naive, you've been one of the biggest assholes in this entire discussion lol. The poll shows that many people disagree with the [R] tag, screenshots and even videos that it takes too long to set up your own room etc. So why are you still using these arguments? Have you been that busy being a douche in here that you hadn't noticed that?
And just like that all our arguments are called: "No reason". If you and the development team would play more gunz you would know what we are talking about. Its being abused and you guys have no clue lol. did you ever hear me complaining about anything the staff implented into the game? no. I would never want anything removed from the game "for no reason". please look into this seriously.
Dave could make a specific page on fgunz.net for that to vote for it, also for possible other things in the future.
Let the players vote of what they like to see in the future instead it will all come just from our side (the staff).
A few things as an example are;
- Suggestion thread
- Event sugggestion thread
- The quest boss name thread (result was: Glacious)
I am a big fan of giving up a few idea's and let the outcome be decided by you, our players :D!
1. A forum poll is not reliable since we have hundreds of more players in-game, a decision like this can not be made by the voting of less than 100 players.
2. We had 600+ players online last summer so this argument is invalid. And besides that GunZ is a dying game so it makes sense if there are less players online than before.
3. That's a personal opinion. It may make the game more fun to other players.
11600 unique IP's.
Geez there is no need to remove [R].
Alot of people are getting mad coz it makes spamming more effective and actual aiming pretty useless.
With delay of 1000 on donors it would even the gaps a little, make aiming more effective. If this was to be done, i wouldnt have any trouble with the [R] mode.
Also i know alot of other players who left because of the low delays and vials/pills.
sg delays to 1000, remove vials/pills -> Great server, much ppl, more cws
This would've worked, before alot of cwrs left fgunz.
I doubt they will join back even if the price money got higher.
They need to log out and go some where else to play a proper tdm, they chose to stay there instead of the bullshit.
Not worth 100$, also can you give up valid arguments and if you talk cw talk cw and not shit that got suggested so long ago that it won't fix anything anymore.
Why was dmg 3 removed a long time ago from tdms, alot of people used it including me pls bring back make official poll ??????
Because the way how most oldgens say it, really disrespecting, see it as this. idc how old someone is if they treat me like shit dont expect me to give them respect just because they are older and that is the way it should be, respect comes from both sides.
without the oldgens I wouldn't be playing gunz right now? please explain, there are always going to be people who joined first on a game or especially on a private server, but what do they have to do with the fact that I signed up to this server.
Assuming people only play at one place while I do at 3.
People would get back if they fixed a few things, [r] add cw features(map) and maybe prize but shoudnt matter much and maybe maybe remove vials pills while you at it.
The server would be there if all 3 I play combined but that won't happen, so why not take the best of them all and combine it here?
Theres a reason you wont find [r] anywhere else.
I remember logging in with 8 players online, the **** is your point.
Oldgens are as important as newgens, people who just started playing gunz are more likely to quit than some one who does 1 year.
Factors; knowing the game, having people/friends, knowing what you can do etc.
i was referring to this post when he asked to explain xD my bad for not using quoteQuote:
Because the way how most oldgens say it, really disrespecting, see it as this. idc how old someone is if they treat me like shit dont expect me to give them respect just because they are older and that is the way it should be, respect comes from both sides.
without the oldgens I wouldn't be playing gunz right now? please explain, there are always going to be people who joined first on a game or especially on a private server, but what do they have to do with the fact that I signed up to this server.
Reasons to keep [r]:
people like to play it. (although i would like to play with adminweapons so why not add those right?)`< INVALID
...????
Reasons to remove [r]:
It creates spam.
It removes the importance of aiming.
It changes the gameplay drasticly.
It is OP.
Did I miss anything?
To me they're already doing exactly that, waiting patiently for the new/updated quests to be there (which means probably v8).
And while they are at it indeed remove the pills/vials. Oldschool medkits are good enough and dont give an almost immediate full refill of HP and AP also they require a certain time to heal instead of just use and chase at the same time.
as for the [R] tag it doesn't really have to be gone as long as it isn't useable alongside the [IA] tag. Spamming your bullets should come with a price ;)
You don't like me, that's obvious.
Calling this a discussion though... mweh. It's often just a few guys (3 or 4) who defend the newer players Vs the people that visit the forums often (could use a different word but that would point out to me being an asshole toward you guys).
Everything I've said in the post you quoted weren't things that would point at me for being a possible asshole.
Theres people that don't like me, theres people that do. You're probably an asshole just as much as I am to you, in other peoples eyes.
I am just giving you guys something that COULD work. If there were more accepting people who really wanted to CW and play TDM's without tags they should have to be a little more appreciative toward the players that lack the skill but still want to learn.
When I joined back in 2010(?) people weren't very kind (toward new players). The server was lacking player amount for a bit and everyone seemed to know eachother.
When I tried to join rooms and have some fun back then people would kick me for no reason, probably because they didn't 'know' me.
Since then I've always been playing with the somewhat newer players, they were kinder than most people I met at the start, so I've never felt the need to join rooms with 'old' players again. This divide is still going on. Maybe the old players don't see it cause they're part of the group.
I tried to get more into the community by joining the forums a year ago but for some reason if you have a different opinion than one or two old players you'll get
bashed like no tomorrow. ./cry
I probably wouldn't even mind having no [R] after a week or two. I would mind playing with these way too serious CWers however.
Like I said, you probably don't like me and you'll probably find something new to hate on in this response, and that's fine.
On a side note, I know you're probably still pissed about the whole comparing what people said with cancer thing, it was a little extreme and I apologise for it
but what you have to know is, I never meant it in that way, it was saying 'what if people did that' like people were doing to mike (with other words ofcourse) in that thread. You obviously didn't like it and I'm sorry if I have upset you in any way in the past. Hope this will atleast show you that I am not a complete asshole, but just a little one.
Something i'd like to see added is a roomtag that doesn't allow a certain weapon ([NSG]= no shotgun) instead of things like [SGO](shotgun only) [SNO](sniper only). A room full of people playing with smg's and/or rev's only could be fun too (or pistols for that matter). (and no i'm not a noob and neither a newgen, i just like to see something else from time to time then players equiped with shotguns or snipers only...
So you're saying that bad people should be abusing r when they could be learning like normal people. You're encouraging the wrong thing for the future if they wanna get into gunz which probably isn't gonna happen cause no serious LANS happen. But if you're gonna say playing with R is gonna help someone it isn't. Different mindset in r then regular.
In r it's spam spam spam . Normal it's actually spam spam reload spam spam. QUITE A DIFFERENce
Apology accepted. And I'm not going to search for anything to hate you or anything, I will however stay by my opinion that except for this post you have been quite hateful towards the people with a counterargument. You have some reasonable arguments yourself, if only you could bring them without being that little bit of an asshole. I know for a fact how easy it is to piss on someone instead of just defending your argument, I tend to do that as well. I guess we're indeed both assholes.
Reading through most of the forum post, I'll just throw in my two cents.
I Voted For...
I voted for From tdm's duel halls only, I believe the [R] tag should used solely as a training tag. It's fun at first, but after awhile in TDMs it just gets annoying.
Tweak it
Remember before the [V] tag was fixed and gave you the opportunity to equip 2 extreme weight rings and you can equip 2 1-Hit Nades and get sum ez kills. That tag was being abused, and right now [R] is being abused so why not fix it? Players are just spamming shots and there is no aim required with it on. In AnD, going into someones base is like trying to go through a w2w obstacle, just a wall of spamming shotgun pellets.
For the players who want the [R] tag
If [R] does get removed from TDMs and Duel Halls, players could just make Team Training rooms with it on to enjoy their precious [R] tag. Just make it a training tag to only be used in training rooms.
okok
This thread is about [R], not oldgens, not player counts, not "fgunz going to d1e, gg". Do I like roomtags? Hell no (#NOROOMTAG2014), but I also know there are many factors that effect why people like Freestyle.
We let you have a topic, one in which you can tell we have mixed feeling about (as a staff team), yet you continue to go offtopic. Stay on topic or I will just close this thing.
You have had 10 pages of arguing for me to issue this warning, I think that is long enough for me to consider closing this.
That's alienating the people who only play in [R] TDM's or [R] Duels. It's their play style and I'm not the skill police, I just add features and patch exploits, [R] falls into none of those categories.
I'm sorry you're annoyed by someone's play style but there isn't anything actually wrong with it besides your feelings.
The people with the old playstyle, let's call them Oldgen I guess, we are just asking them to make Team Training Rooms for the [R] tag and that's all I'm suggesting for. The Oldgens are being alienated out of those rooms into Clan Wars, Making empty TDMs and some have even been alienated out of the server '-'
There isn't a lot wrong with the suggestion, but in my opinion [R] was meant to be a training tag anyways
As sonji said,
[R] Should be able in team TRAINING not gaining exp.
but not in a normal tdm where you can get exp.
best suggestion yet pls counter respond with good idea because if this is about gaining exp faster way you can add [dmg3] back to quest and [r] to quest