Sniper nerf

#Shino4President

Soo the snipers have been ''nerfed'' actually i see them as buffed rather than nerfed, now its truly a one hit like a realistic sniper should be.
i think this isn't such a bad nerf after all, i still get annoyed with snipers one hitting me so its basically a lose lose to me.
and for all the people complaining about the scope delay, now its more realistic and challenging before it was aim>shoot get 20 kills.
now sniper fans take this as a challenge not a ''i want a refund now'' you can ONE hit people now, camp the ****ing doors do anything rather than complain about the scope delay, this is ****ing amazing for people who can actually aim rather than complain about not getting easy kills anymore.
i've seen two people own with the new scope and they don't complain.

INB4ONEHITTERS SNIPER CLAN

#OneHitters2015



BAHHHYE

2nd best thing that has ever happened to fgunz, followed by milya joining the forums.

Quick scoping was never intended when we added the new snipers, this updates seems to be fitting in order to fix the "QS abuse".

SNO games ruined...

the reloadshot was never intended when they created the shotguns... same thing for k style, u think when they make the first gunz were thinking about k style ? I dont think so... the players just found this bugs and no one ever changed the delays of shotguns. The people who are against snipers... its because, just cant play with them like us... i already see like 4983489 snipers.. but no one like Midnight,Tiger,EdNewgate,Again,Godzkiller,Fontana and Fox ... for me they are the elite of snipers.. and i know they have trained hard to be so good !!! U can spam them ... but without aim u cant be really good, and isnt easy aim with snipers. For me and for so much people... this Fgunz is special because of snipers. There is no private gunz with these snipers... is a perfect creation !! People who dont like snipers... just change their private, or make [SGO] rooms ..or just CW. Snipers cant CW. I think this team of Fgunz need to do something, because you guys made ​​a lot of people spend money on this snipers... and we bought them with the delay that you guys choose ... can not change now.

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Originally Posted by Venay

I think this team of Fgunz need to do something, because you guys made ​​a lot of people spend money on this snipers... and we bought them with the delay that you guys choose ... can not change now.

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They didn't make you do jack shit bro. No one forces you to donate. Plus what person expects one type of gun to stay the EXACT SAME WAY for the rest of the time this server is up ? When you have constant updates and constant demands, you're obviously going to have to change a few things. Yeah it's not what you paid for, since when you bought it it had different stats, but be grateful you're even getting anything in return for your donation. When you donate to anything at all, you don't get/expect anything in return. You just donate for the good cause of supporting whatever you're supporting. Stop crying and be grateful for once...

I speak for myself and others snipers .. with these delays , the second sniper donator i bought is useless...

It's going to be adjusted but you're not going to be able to rs anywhere close to as fast as before.
The original delay was 300ms, that means you can kill someone in less than a second.

No.

so wat delay u guys will put on snipers ?!

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Originally Posted by Venay

I speak for myself and others snipers .. with these delays , the second sniper donator i bought is useless...

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Well yea, ik the feel, now its useless... and i guess nobody will use dual sno for now...
(Not donated rebith dat was not 2 sec)

"now its truly a one hit like a realistic sniper should be."
Why u would like a realistic game here? wall run realistic no? sgs fight realistic no... why should sno be realistic...

Its funny how many people hate on snipers yet they don't realize how overpowered shotguns are, with 850 delay and 9+ dmg. Instead of nerfing snipers how about the fgunz team nerf some of the other weapons.


This is my response to Eddie: Instead of sucking off the fgunz staff with your shitty post how about u give a valid response to Venay's opinions because all of his points are true and many people support him. Also your post had nothing to do with what Venay was actually trying to say so I suggest to reread the whole post this time and btw English is Venay's second language and he told me that he didn't mean for the sentence to come out like the way it did.

I think this team of Fgunz need to do something, because you guys made ​​a lot of people spend money on this snipers... and we bought them with the delay that you guys choose ... can not change now.

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Originally Posted by Venay

the reloadshot was never intended when they created the shotguns... same thing for k style, u think when they make the first gunz were thinking about k style ? I dont think so... the players just found this bugs and no one ever changed the delays of shotguns. The people who are against snipers... its because, just cant play with them like us... i already see like 4983489 snipers.. but no one like Midnight,Tiger,EdNewgate,Again,Godzkiller,Fontana and Fox ... for me they are the elite of snipers.. and i know they have trained hard to be so good !!! U can spam them ... but without aim u cant be really good, and isnt easy aim with snipers. For me and for so much people... this Fgunz is special because of snipers. There is no private gunz with these snipers... is a perfect creation !! People who dont like snipers... just change their private, or make [SGO] rooms ..or just CW. Snipers cant CW. I think this team of Fgunz need to do something, because you guys made ​​a lot of people spend money on this snipers... and we bought them with the delay that you guys choose ... can not change now.

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Hello,

Again here. Thanks for the compliment, though let me tell you something. I don't care anymore, people started to abuse snipers and that all began with Fox.

Godzkiller doesn't play, spbd for kills

Fontana had ping advantage which made it near impossible to see him before he had already hit you

Fox and Ed are basically the same, completely ignored everything sniping stood for spammed corners, spbd and backpeddled.

Tiger is just good at hiding behind his team and picking up some leftovers for a quick kill

Midnight, I don't know about Midnight. I always found it strange that he would go 0-4/0-5 rejoin a room and suddenly hit everything. mhm. had some Ed/Fox style in him too.

The nerf is good, though I agree with you that shotguns are overpowered too... It's the people that used snipers their own fault they got nerfed. The abusing of [ia] and [r] rooms, none of the people u named ever joined non tagged rooms I played in to snipe, cause they couldn't. they just played Mansion, AnD. so they could camp and potshot a few times. me and Alpha have recordings of these players u call elite snipers and they shoot 30+ times. One person hit. That's not ''Elite'' at all. This way these guys can learn how to snipe properly, I loved sniping myself, I hated the people that sniped. I have long since stopped sniping on a regular basis and I can honestly say now that I am glad they nerfed the snipers. A year ago my opinion would've been different... now not so much.

Thanks again for the compliment, it's nice to get some recognition.

Again.

No fast scoping. T_T

If you want a good sniping game go to Call Of Duty or whatever game there is, cause last time i checked i don't recall this game being a sniping game.

Go play a sniper game if you want great quality snipers.

& Reload shot on shotguns are what majority members are here for.

Most players complained about snipers in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

Its funny how many people hate on snipers yet they don't realize how overpowered shotguns are, with 850 delay and 9+ dmg. Instead of nerfing snipers how about the fgunz team nerf some of the other weapons.


This is my response to Eddie: Instead of sucking off the fgunz staff with your shitty post how about u give a valid response to Venay's opinions because all of his points are true and many people support him. Also your post had nothing to do with what Venay was actually trying to say so I suggest to reread the whole post this time and btw English is Venay's second language and he told me that he didn't mean for the sentence to come out like the way it did.

I think this team of Fgunz need to do something, because you guys made ​​a lot of people spend money on this snipers... and we bought them with the delay that you guys choose ... can not change now.

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Is the insults even needed? Eddie isn't 'sucking off' any staff but clearly using the freedom of speech to state his opinion to what should be changed. I don't even play the game and I even know that there are many weapons in the game are overpowered. You constantly placed childish acts over the change of snipers when the staff changed them on the response of the community constantly moaning about how overpowered they are.

Hello,

http://puu.sh/fI0WB/35d40efbbc.png

Also, like I said it's going to be tweaked but there will still be a delay.

Even though i'm a Sniper user myself. I guess this nerfing is actually good. Players intend to use/abuse QS. A LOT.
and regarding this "elite" snipers, why aint Hades on the list and Satan? D: (pretty good players/snipers imo)
Well just an opinion, I agree with most of everyone saying that SG should be nerfed too, with the fast delay, SG users can just spam all day. Not hating SG though but I think like everyone says other weapons should be nerfed too, even the revys. too OP

My response to Again: Your assumption that no sniper goes to rooms where there is no IA or R was incorrect because you can ask anyone, I play in a variety of rooms whether it is Town, Garden or A n D no matter what the tags and I bet I can easily get at least 15 witness's to back me up on this.
Also about your "recording on people shooting 30 times" all of your recordings are invalid because I bet you never told the person you were recording them. Many people including my self fool around on fgunz 90% of the time and there are many different possibilities to those recording being proofed wrong. What I mean by wrong is that on that day they weren't focused or they were distracted etc...

My response to Cammy: This is a serious fgunz matter please don't waste our time if you are gonna post useless crap that belongs in a fgunz chat (hint Hint)

My response to Papito: The language abuse was needed for Eddie because of his post and his unnecessary verbally abusive comments in the chat.


Tiger.

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

My response to Again: Your assumption that no sniper goes to rooms where there is no IA or R was incorrect because you can ask anyone, I play in a variety of rooms whether it is Town, Garden or A n D no matter what the tags and I bet I can easily get at least 15 witness's to back me up on this.
Also about your "recording on people shooting 30 times" all of your recordings are invalid because I bet you never told the person you were recording them. Many people including my self fool around on fgunz 90% of the time and there are many different possibilities to those recording being proofed wrong. What I mean by wrong is that on that day they weren't focused or they were distracted etc...

My response to Cammy: This is a serious fgunz matter please don't waste our time if you are gonna post useless crap that belongs in a fgunz chat (hint Hint)


Tiger.

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Well man, see it as a positive thing. Actually learning how to aim it'll be better than to just spam shots, I know you at least tried to aim when u played but the others u named just threw hailmary's in the air, hence why they always shot near corners. I don't snipe anymore myself and I probably won't bother with getting used to the new delays but you can't deny that most people on the list you put out actually couldn't aim for shit. Just spam a few shots and hope one will land isn't aiming. I know most people on that list didn't go to non tagged rooms. I don't play with you anymore, or haven't in a good while. I don't know where you don't and do hangout.
You can also not deny that Mansion is one of the most spammed maps sniper wise, Garden or a simple CTF game after that. Why? Because the hallways are small and it's easy to hit. Especially in an AnD playing 6v6 or more. People arrive around the same time so 6 people in the same hallway should be a 100% hit regardless if you aim or not. then u can just camp (if ur on the blue team) slightly left of the last chair, people will barely be able to hit u from outside and you'll be able to hit them quite easily.

You really don't have to tell me how it is, you know I know how it is. I've held those snipers longer than any of the people you named. Great times, people ruined it though.

and about the recording it's of Mid, Lad3r, Fox and Ed playing AnD trying hard with their flashy moves etc. Believe me they tried. You can ask Andrew for the replay if u want. The regular snipers on this server made it look pathetic. I agree with you on a slight refund for the donor 2 sniper, it just got released and it sucks that it's not what it was when it was released. The 1st one though, we've been able to use it for a long time, wouldn't care about that one myself.

oh and btw, I know u play different maps than AnD mansion. That's what I like about you as a player compared to the rest though saying you don't care what tags... you'd rather snipe with R and IA than without. I play on an alt now and I've seen you around on garden/Towns plenty of times, still quite easy maps though no areas that are too to big.

Btw just so you don't get confused I didn't create the original post that was Venay aka EdNewgate, most of your points are valid but personally believe it or not I prefer rooms without tags N2 is my witness :D. I agree with you on the point that many people just spam and hope for the best but this update is killing it for those who actually liked sniping.


P.S. To those people who are spaming my inbox and fb, you know who u are: like I said before I refuse to log on until snipers are fixed so please stop spaming me Q.Q thanks.

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

This is a serious fgunz matter please don't waste our time if you are gonna post useless crap that belongs in a fgunz chat (hint Hint)

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

This is my response to Eddie: Instead of sucking off the fgunz staff with your shitty post how about u give a valid response to Venay's opinions because all of his points are true and many people support him. Also your post had nothing to do with what Venay was actually trying to say so I suggest to reread the whole post this time and btw English is Venay's second language and he told me that he didn't mean for the sentence to come out like the way it did..

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Take your own advice/"hint Hints" buddy. All I did was throw in a couple of swears into my sentences. Didn't verbally attack you or anything like you just did to me. Plus what happens in the chatbox stays in the chatbox. This thread is a whole separate matter now. And FYI, I'm not "sucking anyone off," I'm expressing and defending my point of view.

You guys are ranting as if it's the end of the god damn world. They didn't take your snipers away FOREVER, they just nerfed them, which they have every right to do if you read it on the FGunZ website. So you have to adapt a little bit and change your playing style. So what ? I find it absurd that you expect the stats of snipers to stay the same way forever just because you're paying money for it. If you just keep everything the same for years and years and years, it's gonna get boring and fuel the death of this server. You need change here and there if you want to keep interest. And if FGunZ wants to progress towards balance at all, there's gonna be changes. Changes we ALL will have to adapt to. And if anything, you should look at the positive side to this change. It'll develop your aim and make it far better, since you'll have to try harder and practice more.

I don't know what you're talking about either assuming people are oblivious to the overpoweredness of SGs. Many of us are very aware of that. But it's difficult to make a change that will please almost everyone to something that's so highly favored by a vast majority of the server. The way I see it, SGs are gonna take a very long time to find somewhat of a stable balancing towards. Gotta ease into it, or else if you jump the gun and make a drastic change instantly, the community will just go into hyper rage mode and spark World War III. I'm sure the staff will most likely attend to every gun's flaw and find a way to make gameplay as balanced as possible, but that's not gonna happen in the blink of an eye. Also not gonna happen with people who cry about it and don't give change a chance. It hasn't even been a full 24 hours. You haven't even given yourself time to practice enough and adapt to a new fighting style. Come back in a couple of months and if your point of view still remains, then I'll respect it.

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

P.S. To those people who are spaming my inbox and fb, you know who u are: like I said before I refuse to log on until snipers are fixed so please stop spaming me Q.Q thanks.

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Just play when u want to, I don't think Dave or whoevers keeps track of users that login cares if u are having a strike over their server changes :p

My response to Eddie: I responded to you the way you responded to Ed's post, with verbal abuse, there was no necessity for it and you started. About your opinion's on shotguns I agree that it will take time but many people including myself are angered because the fgunz staff were the one's who lowered the delay and increased the damage ex: Limit breaker, pony. These types of weapons have been out for a long period of time but we don't see a change in them so that is another part of why "we" are angry.

My response to Again: I appreciate your concern but I'm just doing it in the hope of getting sniper's back to the way they were or close I don't mind just not the way they are now and atm I'm too angry to play xD. Also my response to your previous post: I agree with most of your points other then the fact that you contradicted your self when you said you haven't played with me in a whiel (1st para) and then saying that you are playing on an alt and you have seen me in games (last para).


P.S. To all readers look how politely Eddie posted his 2nd comment compared to his first. (What goes around comes around don't try to verbally abuse someone and then complain when someone else does it to you.)

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

My response to Eddie: I responded to you the way you responded to Ed's post, with verbal abuse, there was no necessity for it and you started. About your opinion's on shotguns I agree that it will take time but many people including myself are angered because the fgunz staff were the one's who lowered the delay and increased the damage ex: Limit breaker, pony. These types of weapons have been out for a long period of time but we don't see a change in them so that is another part of why "we" are angry.

P.S. To all readers look how politely Eddie posted his 2nd comment compared to his first. (What goes around comes around don't try to verbally abuse someone and then complain when someone else does it to you.)

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I don't see a difference between my first and second post lol. I don't see how I verbally abused your friend Ed either. I swore but I didn't throw any personal attacks towards him. Plus if Ed feels verbally abused, Ed can personally PM me himself and request an apology, not have his friend come in defending him with verbal abuse to a much further extent than my "verbal abuse" I'm all for apologizing if I offend someone. Don't get the wrong image of me just because we share opposing viewpoints and are in a heated discussion.

As far as the limitbreaker, there's a reason it's difficult as shit to get it lol. People typically spend vast amounts of money trying to get this weapon. Some spend enough money to equate to about 30-40 donation snipers... Think about that lol.

There's no doubt about it that shotguns need some nerfing done, but just because they've been "out for a long period of time but there's no changes in them" as you've stated, doesn't mean they aren't being looked into. If we truly want balance, we're gonna have to adapt to several different changes along the way and be patient, not rage and get mad and request things to go back to the way they used to be. That's just pushing the community away from the goal of balance if anything. I understand your passion and anger towards this, but saying things need to go back to the way they used to be, when they clearly weren't fine to begin with, doesn't seem like the logical solution to go with. But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

Its funny how many people hate on snipers yet they don't realize how overpowered shotguns are, with 850 delay and 9+ dmg. Instead of nerfing snipers how about the fgunz team nerf some of the other weapons.


This is my response to Eddie: Instead of sucking off the fgunz staff with your shitty post how about u give a valid response to Venay's opinions because all of his points are true and many people support him. Also your post had nothing to do with what Venay was actually trying to say so I suggest to reread the whole post this time and btw English is Venay's second language and he told me that he didn't mean for the sentence to come out like the way it did.

I think this team of Fgunz need to do something, because you guys made ​​a lot of people spend money on this snipers... and we bought them with the delay that you guys choose ... can not change now.

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Please read ALL the rules before buying anything or playing a game.
In the rules of DONATION:

The leaders EXPLAIN that items are subject to change whether you like it or not.
Technically, you didn't pay jack shit for donations.
Donation in reality is that you gave money to support the game and IN RETURN (They don't HAVE TO) are giving you a little special item.

Again, Read the rules before anything.

Thats me traumu

My response to Eddie: Trust me Ed didn't even say a word to me about your post I chose to say something about it because as I was reading it I felt offended and if I did I know Ed did too however he is a shy guy. At the same time I agree with you on many of your points.

My response to Bulba: if you payed attention and read all the posts starting from the beginning you'd realize that the last sentence was copied and pasted just for reference to what that person said. I did not agree with Ed (the person who wrote that sentence) I was just trying to bring him justice by saying he didn't mean it in the way he wrote it.

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

Thats me raumu

My response to Eddie: Trust me Ed didn't even say a word to me about your post I chose to say something about it because as I was reading it I felt offended and if I did I know Ed did too however he is a shy guy. At the same time I agree with you on many of your points.

My response to Bulba: if you payed attention and read all the posts starting from the beginning you'd realize that the last sentence I copied and pasted just for reference to what that person said. I did not agree with Ed (the person who wrote that sentence) I was just trying to bring him justice by saying he didn't mean it in the way he wrote it.

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About 1 week ago when you was busy egoing my alt like all snipers who think their great on this game because they just spam their rs spam with a sniper and kill in 1sec I said to you 'we're going to talk again when snipers get nerfd' and you said 'they been saying it for years ajajaja u wish hajajajjajaja'

I love justice.

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Originally Posted by Bulba

Please read ALL the rules before buying anything or playing a game.
In the rules of DONATION:

The leaders EXPLAIN that items are subject to change whether you like it or not.
Technically, you didn't pay jack shit for donations.
Donation in reality is that you gave money to support the game and IN RETURN (They don't HAVE TO) are giving you a little special item.

Again, Read the rules before anything.

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You really think that people will donate just to support you and not getting anything back for the money they payed?
I don't care if you make less damage but changing the delay to 2sec per shot is just wrong and not fair sg is over powered now
Btw what is the point of selling 2 snipers on the donation shop if people can't use them both at the same time?
just give us our refund back or fix this shit asap or you will start losing players

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Originally Posted by Fox

You really think that people will donate just to support you and not getting anything back for the money they payed?
I don't care if you make less damage but changing the delay to 2sec per shot is just wrong and not fair sg is over powered now
Btw what is the point of selling 2 snipers on the donation shop if people can't use them both at the same time?
just give us our refund back or fix this shit asap or you will start losing players

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I've got 3sg's should I ask for a refund on the 3rd one? no I bought it because I want to use it at different times depending on my preference just because you buy something twice doesnt mean you have to use it at the same time rofl

I completely agree with fox you guys can lower the dmg but don't raise the delay to a point where we cant even two shot, that's absurd.

My response to Tramu: You and I both know that isn't the point Fox is trying to make.

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I completely agree with fox you guys can lower the dmg but don't raise the delay to a point where we cant even two shot, that's absurd.

My response to Tramu: You and I both know that isn't the point Fox is trying to make.

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The POINT is (Like Mike said), 2 Sniper shots = Death within a second. Is that fair to you?
Even SG take at least 3 PBs for Death.

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The POINT is (Like Mike said), 2 Sniper shots = Death within a second. Is that fair to you?
Even SG take at least 3 PBs for Death.

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People cry and complain about snipers when sg players movment are faster they spam the shit out of it all day long with their rs and [R] mode
So please make sense at least we don't need a crosshair to aim at someone we trying to guess the hit point and that's what i like about it

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I completely agree with fox you guys can lower the dmg but don't raise the delay to a point where we cant even two shot, that's absurd.

My response to Tramu: You and I both know that isn't the point Fox is trying to make.

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Hes going to quit because the money he spent for items on a game to dominate one of them is now completely 'useless'?

also they didn't say they wasn't going to lower the delay they actually are going too just not to the point when you snipers can pop out 2 shots in 1 second.

I underlined game for another meaning hope most of you can understand it :s

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Originally Posted by Fox

People cry and complain about snipers when sg players movment are faster they spam the shit out of it all day long with their rs and [R] mode
So please make sense at least we don't need a crosshair to aim at someone we trying to guess the hit point and that's what i like about it

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Kid. You're not guessing. I see all the "elite" snipers and how they play is donor sword, spb 2 shots. That isn't skill.

I actually don't even own a donor sword, I agree with you on the fact that many snipers including myself spb. However, there is no difference when sgers spb that isn't skill either, espically at 850 delay.

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Originally Posted by Mardilz

Hello,

Again here. Thanks for the compliment, though let me tell you something. I don't care anymore, people started to abuse snipers and that all began with Fox.

Godzkiller doesn't play, spbd for kills

Fontana had ping advantage which made it near impossible to see him before he had already hit you

Fox and Ed are basically the same, completely ignored everything sniping stood for spammed corners, spbd and backpeddled.

Tiger is just good at hiding behind his team and picking up some leftovers for a quick kill

Midnight, I don't know about Midnight. I always found it strange that he would go 0-4/0-5 rejoin a room and suddenly hit everything. mhm. had some Ed/Fox style in him too.

The nerf is good, though I agree with you that shotguns are overpowered too... It's the people that used snipers their own fault they got nerfed. The abusing of [ia] and [r] rooms, none of the people u named ever joined non tagged rooms I played in to snipe, cause they couldn't. they just played Mansion, AnD. so they could camp and potshot a few times. me and Alpha have recordings of these players u call elite snipers and they shoot 30+ times. One person hit. That's not ''Elite'' at all. This way these guys can learn how to snipe properly, I loved sniping myself, I hated the people that sniped. I have long since stopped sniping on a regular basis and I can honestly say now that I am glad they nerfed the snipers. A year ago my opinion would've been different... now not so much.

Thanks again for the compliment, it's nice to get some recognition.

Again.

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Hello,

Alpha here,

I'll agree that shotguns are OP, if you know how to use them. At the same time, you argue that snipers are OP as well if you know how to use them.
The problem comes from abusing the [R] rooms. Shooting in tight corridors, instant reload, dosed on vials, shoot from behind everyone, rinse and repeat.
Mardilz and I saw the problem when we recorded Ed, Midnight, Fox, and Donpino just spamming across the hall in an AnD game hoping to get a hit by chance, we knew
what the next update was going to be.

I recently just joined a room with your idol Ed, he now equips a shotgun and a sniper. He does the exact same thing, same play style, same camping moves. And to go along what with
Eddie said, the people who are complaining about their donor snipers being nerfed and want a refund, look up the definition of donation.

If your post was implied to me Alpha 1. Ed isn't my idol 2. one's playing style doesn't change from changing weps if you are unable to see that, that's on you. 3. Like I said when Again posted this I agreed that many snipers shoot corners but at the same time so do sgers so whats ur point?

sno games ruined...

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If this is a response to me Alpha 1. Ed isn't my idol 2. one's playing style doesn't change from changing weps if you are unable to see that, that's on you. 3. Like I said when Again posted this I agreed that many snipers shoot corners but at the same time so do sgers so whats ur point?

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You've edited your post more than 5 times within the last minute, make sure you know what you want to say before you post. You revere them or else you wouldn't be 1. bringing them up as 'elite snipers' 2. complaining about nerfing snipers

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Originally Posted by Raoulrock

Thats me traumu

My response to Eddie: Trust me Ed didn't even say a word to me about your post I chose to say something about it because as I was reading it I felt offended and if I did I know Ed did too however he is a shy guy. At the same time I agree with you on many of your points.

My response to Bulba: if you payed attention and read all the posts starting from the beginning you'd realize that the last sentence was copied and pasted just for reference to what that person said. I did not agree with Ed (the person who wrote that sentence) I was just trying to bring him justice by saying he didn't mean it in the way he wrote it.

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" i already see like 4983489 snipers.. but no one like Midnight,Tiger,EdNewgate,Again,Godzkiller,Fontana and Fox ... for me they are the elite of snipers.. and i know they have trained hard to be so good !!! U can spam them ... but without aim u cant be really good, and isnt easy aim with snipers"

lmao that self promotion, I didn't realize you're Tiger

i already see like 4983489 snipers.. but no one like Midnight,Tiger,EdNewgate,Again,Godzkiller,Fontana and Fox ... for me they are the elite of snipers.. and i know they have trained hard to be so good !!! U can spam them ... but without aim u cant be really good, and isnt easy aim with snipers"

lmao that self promotion, I didn't realize you're Tiger



My reply to Alpha: like I told Again the original post wasn't by me so please get some glasses, Ed was the original poster and for me editing it 5 times over its because I didn't want it to come as an offensive post.

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If your post was implied to me Alpha 1. Ed isn't my idol 2. one's playing style doesn't change from changing weps if you are unable to see that, that's on you. 3. Like I said when Again posted this I agreed that many snipers shoot corners but at the same time so do sgers so whats ur point?

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If you read closely instead of using your grade 3 comprehension skills, you'll realize what I meant when I said " just spamming across the hall in an AnD game hoping to get a hit by chance" and "abusing the [R] rooms"
together with 150 damage with every shot and with little to no delay, this is considered an OP weapon. The delay is the problem, the problem is fixed.

I know how you feel, I had my hotshot and trident nerfed, 2 items, I was a bit upset. But I realized I donated, I didn't buy them, I DONATED. It's like half the people in this thread are on English language wheelchairs and have no clue what "donating" means.

shotguns weren't even supposed to have 10dmg or 850 delay. It's fkn dumb and not fun to play with at all. the triple rs bull**** is so dumb its unbelieveable the spam is unreal main reason why competition is going down because of these op shotguns that even the people who play competitively don't like, turns to the point where doing spamming is more viable than doing fancy moves. Snipers supposed to get nerfed, so do shotguns but not sure wtf staff is going to do about that. I have lb and i wouldnt mind switching it to 9dmg and 1kdelay along with all the other sgs

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http://puu.sh/fIgUv/a96fd823d2.jpg

Basicly people that complain right now that snipers suck right away can't just play without OP stuff.

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SG is over powerd 2 everyone knows that they just ignore it cause they want to blame it on sniper users

Alpha fyi thesis can be used in a debate it does not have to be an essay, your vocab may be low but other's aren't that low.

As for Stephan ur incorrect because many people including myself have said to lower the dmg but leave the delay the same or close to it.

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Alpha fyi thesis can be used in a debate it does not have to be an essay, your vocab may be low but other's aren't that low.

As for Stephan ur incorrect because many people including myself have said to lower the dmg but leave the delay the same or close to it.

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You do realise it used to be 1/3 of a second... right?
Also.. I dont mind lowering the dmg or making the delay higher for sgs.

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http://puu.sh/fIgUv/a96fd823d2.jpg

Basicly people that complain right now that snipers suck right away can't just play without OP stuff.

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Its called being too use to the fact its OP that it just feels normal to them.

I understand the nerf but wasnt this a fast pace game? Thought everything was supposed to be going fast..... would be better to nerf the dmg instead of the scope delay its self. ;-; Either one would
work though...

all i hear here is 'I THINK SHOTGUNS ARE OVERPOWERED SO WE DESERVE TO BE OVERPOWERED TOO'. and no, you can't deny that statement with saying 'but we said lower damage instead', cause thats ****ing bullshit. let's get some math up in here

so before the patch it takes 2 hits or about 2*300 ms = 600 ms to kill someone. if we had to lower damage, it should be to the lowest dmg sniper we have atm, but you all would go apeshit over that too. so in the end, we would have to nerf dmg so you can still 3shot someone, which is about 3*300ms = 900 ms, STILL UNDER 1 SECOND.

like we have said countless times, it'll take a few tries before we find a sweetspot, the delay will definitely be lowered, but nowhere close to the original 300 ms

So as someone who has played at least once with most of the snipers mentioned and snipes somewhat good (I'd like to think so '-') Just gonna leave my thoughts on the update

The way the development team nerfed the snipers was just kind of misguided. I think they saw how it was played from their view and never actually bothered to play with snipers myself, at least I didn't see them in rooms playing with them, correct me if I'm wrong. I love the fact that you can reload shot with snipers, it was unique and took some time to get use to for some. I remember first playing around with it, it made you felt invincible with a kill in two shots. That was the problem to me though, 2 shots was all it took to kill someone in a second. They were basically 2Hit grenades you can shoot.

So I see it as you can go two ways from there.

• Nerf the Damage
• HP/AP Reduction, Weight increase

I'm not saying make them exactly like 2Hit grenades, that'll make people like BigMike have the lowest HP because he uses both Snipers and 1-Hit Grenades. So keep that in mind if my suggestion is ever considered '-'. Also SPB wouldn't be a problem anymore, if you ever tried playing like BigMike, with the HP/AP reduction, and rushed, you had a bad time. Nerfing the damage wouldn't make them an different than shotguns with a higher delay, that's like nerfing a weapon to be more useless than another. (sorta like the ownage update, a regular MG does more dmg than a double mg, the **** is that. At least lower the dmg of a mg a little I mean god damn, come on guys you're slacking.) '-' ahem.

But yeah, HP/AP Reduction ftw.

ALSO

There is a reply with a quote function on the forum guys, yeah it's pretty neat. Learn to use it, you ****in give me a god damn head ache reading your post. Thanks '-'