Shotguns Need Balancing

New To Freestyle Gunz, Played much of the first Gunz. Nice community here. Anyways I've noticed right away every single person in a gun using game mode equips a shotgun. That's it. Every single person plays with a shotgun the same way, it says the gun is unbalanced if people have no reason to use a different gun / weapon.

Why is it unbalanced?

Effective Range is TOO HIGH.

Reload Time is TOO FAST (Get rid of the weapon switching exploit)

Too Many Pellets (Area Coverage / Ease of Aim)

Its a noob cannon that is way too destructive in the hands of a vetted player. I don't want to be pigeon holed into using one weapon to be competitive.


Sidenote: Why do the large melee weapons have no right click function? Gimme a spin attack or something... >_>

It's been this way for a long time, introducing other weapons with the same effectiveness only lead to an outrage by the community.
Though to be fair when other weapons got a buff they got too buffed. (we had snipers which could 1 or 2 shot people, from any distance, revolvers with 2 shot kill abilities
and we had (actually still do) a predator which can spam the living shit out of every small hallway in the game) besides the weapons mentioned here in my opinion the singular spray guns like a fanfir still hold up to par.

People wanted a shotgun game, they got it. It probably won't ever change.



- it still baffles me how many self proclaimed 'pro shotgun' users say people only used the snipers / revolvers etc. etc. because they lead to easy kills whilst shotguns have been doing that since the beggining of k-style, shotgun users always picked the easy route. Once there was something else everyone cried cause this was the gun everyone was used to-

the large swords have no defense because of their increased damage

I think shotguns are one of the main gameplay elements in Gunz. and there are a few things wrong with your reasons:
"Reload time is too fast" is because there is a room modifier [R] that enables instant reload.
The farther away someone is the less pellets hit.
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I do agree that there must be an alternative attack for the large swords

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Originally Posted by Bunny

the large swords have no defense because of their increased damage

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He ment alternative attack.

But they dont have those for the same reason

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Originally Posted by MrDoom

New To Freestyle Gunz, Played much of the first Gunz. Nice community here. Anyways I've noticed right away every single person in a gun using game mode equips a shotgun. That's it. Every single person plays with a shotgun the same way, it says the gun is unbalanced if people have no reason to use a different gun / weapon.

Why is it unbalanced?

Effective Range is TOO HIGH.

Reload Time is TOO FAST (Get rid of the weapon switching exploit)

Too Many Pellets (Area Coverage / Ease of Aim)

Its a noob cannon that is way too destructive in the hands of a vetted player. I don't want to be pigeon holed into using one weapon to be competitive.


Sidenote: Why do the large melee weapons have no right click function? Gimme a spin attack or something... >_>

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Everybody use shotgun because its GunZ

Did you ever use other guns? shotgun got the smallest range i guess
Reload time is also normal
Shotguns always had 10 pellets

Uh to other peoples points, I've seen large swords with blocks AND flips, the block didnt work like a normal block though when you blocked it did about a .5-1 second little flip so you actually had to time your blocks, and the flip was really slow and easy to evade. I don't think it would be too overpowered to add that in, its not like it will stop being a niche weapon and start seeing super widespread use

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Originally Posted by kkbizz

I think shotguns are one of the main gameplay elements in Gunz. and there are a few things wrong with your reasons:
"Reload time is too fast" is because there is a room modifier [R] that enables instant reload.
The farther away someone is the less pellets hit.
Edit:
I do agree that there must be an alternative attack for the large swords

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i remember on onther private server, there was an long sword called Beta longsword, that spinned arround and you can flip on that way :D

So played another day and still stick to the same assessment..

RoF is too high (regardless of a server's perks, in any game mode a person can exploit weapons switching to negate the long delay on this gun)

It's spread is too tight at range (I got headshots from clear across dojo)
It's effective damage is too high If sniper can't kill 1 shot body shot pb behind a person neither should a shotgun...

If you wanted a shotgun game you got it, if you want a balanced game then this has got to change till you see people pick up other weapons again.

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Originally Posted by MrDoom

I don't want to be pigeon holed into using one weapon to be competitive.

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you're not, if you have good aim then revs/sprays can be strong too but it's looked down upon because of how cheap they are since they counter shotguns from long distance

Shotguns have always been a part of Gunz and this server and everyone has become accustomed to it.

Nerfing or changing them would cause an uproar.

-Marco

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Originally Posted by MrDoom

So played another day and still stick to the same assessment..

RoF is too high (regardless of a server's perks, in any game mode a person can exploit weapons switching to negate the long delay on this gun)

It's spread is too tight at range (I got headshots from clear across dojo)
It's effective damage is too high If sniper can't kill 1 shot body shot pb behind a person neither should a shotgun...

If you wanted a shotgun game you got it, if you want a balanced game then this has got to change till you see people pick up other weapons again.

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Its meta man. Cmon. Lol.

A few things to note. RoF...well thats RS for you and that will never go away. Room tags just exasperate that issue.

Everyone has a different view of the magical range where the spread is too tight. Needless to say, headshots are no differrent from body shots on a shotgun. They do exactly the same hp/ap damage.

Also it takes more than 1 pb with a shotgun to kill someone with full hp/ap.

Regardless. We have no plans to change these in the near future. Look forward to something "coming soon™" though.

Dunno why u guys think the server is unbalanced, maybe u suck or smth..

I play with REVS and alot of people are playing with SPRAYS.

Ofcourse shotguns will be the strongest weapon since 95% of the people playing k-style. Weapons are pretty balanced tbh.

Quit crying, get good at the game or just leave.

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Originally Posted by Sunfire

Dunno why u guys think the server is unbalanced, maybe u suck or smth..

I play with REVS and alot of people are playing with SPRAYS.

Ofcourse shotguns will be the strongest weapon since 95% of the people playing k-style. Weapons are pretty balanced tbh.

Quit crying, get good at the game or just leave.

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Great attitude.

Why not just remove all the other weapons that aren't K-Style or Shotgun related? Since there's no point to using them...

In V8 re-balancing will occur on all weapons, no details yet because those aren't finalized. However there was a discussion about shotguns quite some time ago and that feedback was taken into account and planned weapon stats have been made for shotguns already. As far as the great sword, i mentioned in another post we will be adding a special attack and possibly another mechanic.