minefield limit

Suggestion type:
FGunZ


Suggestion description:
create limit per player for how many mines they're allowed to have active within a map in non team based modes. (8 is max in bounty mag, 10 max in donor mag with mines equipped both item slot). placing mines when you're above max mine capacity should remove older mines.

mine isn't problem in TDM because every player has x placeable per round; yet modes without teams (deathmatch) almost every part of map can be covered by mines by 1-2 player. mansion deathmatch typically have mines in every doorway, and if you're in basement you are trapped unless you purposely die. they're typically on all hp/ap/ammo spawns, doorways, corners, and chokepoints; which is okay & how they should be used. but i think it's annoying when all these parts of the map are inaccessible due to one player having complete control over the map.

can care less for dying to clear mines in a deathmatch mode bc idc KDA, but it is uninteractive to have to kill yourself just to get out from part of the map because there's no limit to how many mines a player is allowed to have active in a game mode without rounds.

players tend to get frustrated & try to kick the miner in these modes because it's simply not fun to play against.
i think mines are ok on their own; they just get out of control fast in these modes & become overtedious to play around in a fast paced game.

Good luck Professor Sunrui. This wouldn't be the first time being suggested and it'll probably get little to no attention just like the other times. But I applaud you for your well thought out, beautifully presented and organized post.

FRT: I think the mine limit per player should also be included within tdm modes as well. That way it can remove the usage of running double mines which would get rid of the mine spam/camp my spawn strats (or at least dumb it down a bit) but it absolutley needs it within deathmatch modes.

Maybe for deathmatch once the player dies their mines are removed also, if your original suggestion isn't favored that is...

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i think it's annoying when all these parts of the map are inaccessible due to one player having complete control over the map.

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One? Every deathmatch has at least 3 people spamming mines. Maybe decrease the mines ammo capacity for deathmatch rooms? So instead of being able to run 5 mines x2 you can only run 3 mines x2. And then for TDMs keep the original 5/10 limit.

I agree that the main problem is people spamming them in doorways/super tight choke points, not the fact that players can throw so many out in deathmatches. It really kills off deathmatches quickly. Maybe rework the damage that mines deal and have it so that the closer a mine is to that same players other mines the less damage it does. That way it would discourage players to throw so many so close together.


Hopefully this issue gets taken more serious than it has in the past. No more "just make EX rooms hhhhhhh" responses.

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Originally Posted by Desecration

Good luck Professor Sunrui. This wouldn't be the first time being suggested and it'll probably get little to no attention just like the other times. But I applaud you for your well thought out, beautifully presented and organized post.

FRT: I think the mine limit per player should also be included within tdm modes as well. That way it can remove the usage of running double mines which would get rid of the mine spam/camp my spawn strats (or at least dumb it down a bit) but it absolutley needs it within deathmatch modes.

Maybe for deathmatch once the player dies their mines are removed also, if your original suggestion isn't favored that is...



One? Every deathmatch has at least 3 people spamming mines. Maybe decrease the mines ammo capacity for deathmatch rooms? So instead of being able to run 5 mines x2 you can only run 3 mines x2. And then for TDMs keep the original 5/10 limit.

I agree that the main problem is people spamming them in doorways/super tight choke points, not the fact that players can throw so many out in deathmatches. It really kills off deathmatches quickly. Maybe rework the damage that mines deal and have it so that the closer a mine is to that same players other mines the less damage it does. That way it would discourage players to throw so many so close together.


Hopefully this issue gets taken more serious than it has in the past. No more "just make EX rooms hhhhhhh" responses.

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looked through suggestion threads and couldn't find anything for this.

i think what u suggested = too complicated of a change for no reason, and your suggestion to change the mines damage / proximity kills the item completely

i don't think mine themselves need any changes. they're not inherently broken or tedious to play against in modes other than deathmatch. apart from that they only really viable on garden + AnD.

in garden + AnD people play with diff items; if people are going to camp there r items like molotov/nades, rocket, nade launcher etc to bring people out of their bases and defeat the mine strategy. most players don't do this in deathmatch because u only play for urself; not a team so u really only bring meds to heal or mine to kill ppl.

my opinion = the issue with mines solely exists in deathmatch because there's no cap to how much control of the map the item itself has; and mines weren't a problem until they were changed to give kill credit to the player. mines being used in chokepoints is fine; but it's irritating when practically every chokepoint is blocked off by mines until somebody dies to them because there's no way out and players have no limit to the amount of mines they're able to place in the game.

regarding mine damage, i am ok with them having a small nerf to dmg but i don't want the item to become useless

i'm pretty sure there was a dropped item cap that included meds and mines, limiting how many can be placed before older ones despawn. I don't know why it was removed but bringing it back i think solves the issue you're mentioning.

Don't become weaker ++++

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Originally Posted by zerojjxx

i'm pretty sure there was a dropped item cap that included meds and mines, limiting how many can be placed before older ones despawn. I don't know why it was removed but bringing it back i think solves the issue you're mentioning.

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There is a limit but we're talking about 100 mines/meds or something like that, not entirely sure what's the exact number. I agree with this suggestion, just to show what he's talking about, all of this was done by 1 player:

https://i.imgur.com/xpWfyTeh.jpg

I think mines should be limited to one or two per clip max, and they should expire after maybe 3 or 4 are placed. It's nothing but 100% pure cancer, in no way have the landmines improved GunZ gameplay in any way, regardless of gametype or how they are used. The landmines are exclusively a hindrance to player enjoyment, and amplify the worst and most frustrating aspects of the game.

Get rid of them all together, or HEAVILY limit them. People being able to mine off one hallway? Sure that's fine but joining a room that's been going for a long time and has nearly every spawn point HEAVILY landmined, especially on a high falling risk map like Stairway is so outside of the definition of fun and enjoyable, so outside of what GunZ players actually want.

Here's an example of why mines should be permanently removed or heavily limited

https://streamable.com/fuo90e

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Originally Posted by Ommadawn

There is a limit but we're talking about 100 mines/meds or something like that, not entirely sure what's the exact number. I agree with this suggestion, just to show what he's talking about, all of this was done by 1 player:

https://i.imgur.com/xpWfyTeh.jpg

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It's 120

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Originally Posted by Cid

I think mines should be limited to one or two per clip max, and they should expire after maybe 3 or 4 are placed. It's nothing but 100% pure cancer, in no way have the landmines improved GunZ gameplay in any way, regardless of gametype or how they are used. The landmines are exclusively a hindrance to player enjoyment, and amplify the worst and most frustrating aspects of the game.

Get rid of them all together, or HEAVILY limit them. People being able to mine off one hallway? Sure that's fine but joining a room that's been going for a long time and has nearly every spawn point HEAVILY landmined, especially on a high falling risk map like Stairway is so outside of the definition of fun and enjoyable, so outside of what GunZ players actually want.

Here's an example of why mines should be permanently removed or heavily limited

https://streamable.com/fuo90e

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Or you know what else you could do to make landmines less horrible for all? Get rid of the stupid ragdoll effect.

it is kinda funny watching doorways blocked by mines in Mansion. but i get what ya mean.

Personally, I think an ideal solution is to ‘dismantle’ or ‘remove’ the mines placed by an individual when they either ‘die’ or ‘leave’ the room. I personally don’t think we should do a Minefield limit because it would also affect the Event Team when they host events that require mines for obstacles such as Lava or mines just as a boundary.

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Originally Posted by justRelax

Personally, I think an ideal solution is to ‘dismantle’ or ‘remove’ the mines placed by an individual when they either ‘die’ or ‘leave’ the room. I personally don’t think we should do a Minefield limit because it would also affect the Event Team when they host events that require mines for obstacles such as Lava or mines just as a boundary.

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I can imagine it's not insanely hard to enable different limits on how many mines can exist on a map depending on the channel in which the room is created, though. Also may be able to base it on the gamemode, with deathmatch having a lower cap than TDM, maybe even a cap based on players in-game.

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Originally Posted by justRelax

Personally, I think an ideal solution is to ‘dismantle’ or ‘remove’ the mines placed by an individual when they either ‘die’ or ‘leave’ the room. I personally don’t think we should do a Minefield limit because it would also affect the Event Team when they host events that require mines for obstacles such as Lava or mines just as a boundary.

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bunny said already in chat but there’s many admin commands, cant see why not just have /minelimit # command

i don’t think remove mines when dead is good idea, i know they take a while to put & this further encourage camping behind mines to keep them present ingame

they really should just have mine limit per player that remove older mines for every new one placed
u can choose for keeping ur chokepoints, map spawns or just random area blocked off by mine but now u can’t singlehandedly mine entire map in deathmatch & ruin the game experience for other player

Would love to see this added! It's a simple QOL improvement.

Limit mines to maybe ~15 per user on the map and go from there?

Apparently admin mines are a different item entirely, but this could be done either way, I believe, possibly using admin commands if needed like SunRui said above.

no.

I would like mines just to disappear after a player dies. :)

Moved to Have Been Added, a mine limit has been implemented in the latest update. See the Explosion Changes section for the details.