Bans/Warning System

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freegunz

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This is just my opinion.

I believe we are in a era where bullying will never stop and is into a vicious circle. it's literally who bullies then will start bullying to feel better than the others because he felt worse than the one bullied him.

you guys follow me? it's a non-stopping turning wheel.

Well IMO same goes about the flaming on GunZ.

It's ****ing part of the game. From what I know of GunZ's a competitive game and then again Egoes takes a kick on their butt when-ever they get ridiculoused of.

And that is,once again,normal because everyone has a certain dignity they want to keep especially infront of a random ass brazilian/foreigner they have no idea about and that is trash-talking him on a online-gaming-GAME

To sum it up,

What about having either ;

- Hackers only banned (that could aswell improve the player-base because you wouldn't ban your fellow players for breaking the smallest rules,4 times)

- Renforce warnings system to 6 warnings before a Ban -- then again,help out ur data-base whilst letting anyone that believes his FG account is stuck banned somewhere in ur data-base and let him play once again until he gets to 6 if he's that much of a toxic player.

I had a talk about this with Modal,and he came up to me like ''only hackers shud be banned'' and that's the mo'****ing way you guys should all think,because ya kno what?
We're in ****ing 2017 on a GUNZ game (PEW PEW) = Grow the **** up stop being butthurt childos over minor insults from someone's keyboard milllllllllles away from you written by ugly ass and not-washed fingers that might have went into some nasty BBW vagina.

^1 let's make freegunz great again
^2 let's make freegunz populated again


Amen

Bravo to your efforts!! I'm with you..suggestions are really good :)

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I believe we are in a era where bullying will never stop and is into a vicious circle. it's literally who bullies then will start bullying to feel better than the others because he felt worse than the one bullied him.

you guys follow me? it's a non-stopping turning wheel.

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That does not mean that we should by any means support it. This suggestion is dumb because you actually support cyber bullying.

It will just make the community more toxic than what it already is if they know there's no consequences.

what about flamers don't get warned, they shud get only a mute.
and let's stop muting spammers, in case you don't want, what about u add a new rule "if someone spam you have to ask him to stop (warn him) if he stopped that's okay, if he didn't stop jus giv him a mute"

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Originally Posted by Linzor

That does not mean that we should by any means support it. This suggestion is dumb because you actually support cyber bullying.

It will just make the community more toxic than what it already is if they know there's no consequences.

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Not support it,
But as I said... you are on GunZ and there are egoistic comments since Ijji.... what Zabu said is pretty dope but then again my point isn't only bout spammers or flamers. it's just overall about every single minor infraction that gives you a warning.

I can understand you guys want to keep a different feature from other servers,but that warning system is just complete aids. There should only be mutes and bans for days. 2nd mute = x2 ur time and then 3x = x3 and such and such and such.

but then again,
that's IMO.

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Originally Posted by Jaay

Not support it,
But as I said... you are on GunZ and there are egoistic comments since Ijji.... what Zabu said is pretty dope but then again my point isn't only bout spammers or flamers. it's just overall about every single minor infraction that gives you a warning.

I can understand you guys want to keep a different feature from other servers,but that warning system is just complete aids. There should only be mutes and bans for days. 2nd mute = x2 ur time and then 3x = x3 and such and such and such.

but then again,
that's IMO.

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Ah what about laggers / spikers 90% of em cant handle their lags..
Why they gets warned? If a lagger annoy you thats why kick system has been made.

I think the system is fine the way it is. You have to understand there are kids that play this game. Legit kids like I'm talking 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 year olds. The rules may seem strict and silly to people who are older when it comes to minor issues, but you have to set a certain example for younger people that play this game whether you like it or not. That's just the way things work here. The way some of these people talk on this game shouldn't be projected to the minds of a child. I've even had people specifically tell me to stop swearing because they're young and shouldn't be hearing those words.

And if the argument is that "kids that young shouldn't be here then," I don't want to hear that bull either because the majority of us on GunZ started around that same exact age. Yes these things have been going on since the ijji days, but the ego from ijji days was no where near as bad as it is here. No offense to the staff I don't want to make it sound like they aren't doing their job because they do, but I've never seen a community of people be so trashy to each other like this one has. Trying to justify disrespectful actions is just dumb, IMO lol no matter how minor they are. You can still play competitively and make the game fun without all the unnecessary aggression.

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Originally Posted by Eddie

I think the system is fine the way it is. You have to understand there are kids that play this game. Legit kids like I'm talking 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 year olds. The rules may seem strict and silly to people who are older when it comes to minor issues, but you have to set a certain example for younger people that play this game whether you like it or not. That's just the way things work here. The way some of these people talk on this game shouldn't be projected to the minds of a child. I've even had people specifically tell me to stop swearing because they're young and shouldn't be hearing those words.

And if the argument is that "kids that young shouldn't be here then," I don't want to hear that bull either because the majority of us on GunZ started around that same exact age. Yes these things have been going on since the ijji days, but the ego from ijji days was no where near as bad as it is here. No offense to the staff I don't want to make it sound like they aren't doing their job because they do, but I've never seen a community of people be so trashy to each other like this one has. Trying to justify disrespectful actions is just dumb, IMO lol no matter how minor they are. You can still play competitively and make the game fun without all the unnecessary aggression.

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I get ur point.

I was just trying to throw an idea to get few players back.

Maybe if Dave was to send to all the account emails a Mail when-ever V8 comes out to announce it out to everyone even the ones that does not come around forums once upon a time. Pretty sure there's well over 25k accounts made and atleast 12K humans with a valid email out of this.

But yea,I still believe there should be a temporary ban (at 4W) before getting permanently (well nonetheless a year long) banned at 6W.

Been saying a mute option shouldn't be available. And the only things worthy of a ban are hacking and advertisement. Everything else stfu.

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Originally Posted by Eddie

I think the system is fine the way it is. You have to understand there are kids that play this game. Legit kids like I'm talking 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 year olds. The rules may seem strict and silly to people who are older when it comes to minor issues, but you have to set a certain example for younger people that play this game whether you like it or not. That's just the way things work here. The way some of these people talk on this game shouldn't be projected to the minds of a child. I've even had people specifically tell me to stop swearing because they're young and shouldn't be hearing those words.

And if the argument is that "kids that young shouldn't be here then," I don't want to hear that bull either because the majority of us on GunZ started around that same exact age. Yes these things have been going on since the ijji days, but the ego from ijji days was no where near as bad as it is here. No offense to the staff I don't want to make it sound like they aren't doing their job because they do, but I've never seen a community of people be so trashy to each other like this one has. Trying to justify disrespectful actions is just dumb, IMO lol no matter how minor they are. You can still play competitively and make the game fun without all the unnecessary aggression.

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Holy shit.

Rather than reforming the ban/warning system, I think the bigger issue lies elsewhere. Each report seems to be reviewed on a case to case basis with no clear guideline on what is considered offensive vs. bullying. I understand it's hard to set actual boundaries on which phrases are out of line and whatnot, but the way that punishments are given out aren't consistent at all. People on this game get too butthurt and report others over silly trashtalk (i.e: being called ugly/stupid/bad etc). This leads to dumb reports and even more dumb infractions.

Also, I think that trash talking in other languages should be only handled by GM's/FM's who speak the language that the trash talk is happening in. Just because the person reporting is "translating" the offensive talk or whatever, it doesn't mean that it's an accurate translation. I don't think it's justified to ban someone based on poorly done translations by players who feel offended, because the translation will usually be biased and misleading.

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Originally Posted by Kelly

Rather than reforming the ban/warning system, I think the bigger issue lies elsewhere. Each report seems to be reviewed on a case to case basis with no clear guideline on what is considered offensive vs. bullying. I understand it's hard to set actual boundaries on which phrases are out of line and whatnot, but the way that punishments are given out aren't consistent at all. People on this game get too butthurt and report others over silly trashtalk (i.e: being called ugly/stupid/bad etc). This leads to dumb reports and even more dumb infractions.

Also, I think that trash talking in other languages should be only handled by GM's/FM's who speak the language that the trash talk is happening in. Just because the person reporting is "translating" the offensive talk or whatever, it doesn't mean that it's an accurate translation. I don't think it's justified to ban someone based on poorly done translations by players who feel offended, because the translation will usually be biased and misleading.

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That's why we Moderators decide what's "really offensive and not" and what punishement we think is deserved.

I agree on the translation part which is why I double check with someone else who speaks the language because I'm aware they might make it seem worse than what it really is.

Or stop whining over pixels?

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Originally Posted by Bart

Or stop whining over pixels?

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Point was to get few players back you spic.

I sure know a serv that did it when they were bout to die and peaked back to 100 if we can reach 300-400 with the email's saying everyone's got a second chance and shit (maybe not hackers but speakin warnings wise) then why not?

We're probably going to reset/remove a bunch of warnings when we release V8, but don't expect any major changes when it comes to what is and what is not is punishable.

I wanted to "thank" you until I saw this:

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Originally Posted by Jaay

It's ****ing part of the game. From what I know of GunZ's a competitive game and then again Egoes takes a kick on their butt when-ever they get ridiculed of.

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I removed my thanks.

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Originally Posted by Dave

We're probably going to reset/remove a bunch of warnings when we release V8, but don't expect any major changes when it comes to what is and what is not is punishable.

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What about current bans? Will anything be done about them? Perhaps a more generous look on appeals etc?

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Originally Posted by Kelly

What about current bans? Will anything be done about them? Perhaps a more generous look on appeals etc?

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We may lift some bans that were issued a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Dave

We may lift some bans that were issued a long time ago.

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Clean sweep bans pre-2016 and get tons of donations (talking about ban for toxicity, harassment and such cause people "reform" *cough* Skull *cough*).

instead of banning every bad player for hacking, why not just temporary ban the player until his hack is patched... whats the point of banning a player for 3/6 month appeal for a hack they can no longer use... easiest way to maintain your playerbase is to issue more consistant updates, considering you probably have more active banned players than users on your server (just saying)

people usually hack to gain an advantage in cw --> cw competition is what keeps gunz alive

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Originally Posted by Skull

Dumbest shit I ever read.

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yes it might sound dumb to someone with half a brain

this isn't my idea, it's just a factor that separates fg from the current most popular gunz server (considering they do exactly this)

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Originally Posted by Dave

We're probably going to reset/remove a bunch of warnings when we release V8, but don't expect any major changes when it comes to what is and what is not is punishable.

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Sounds not really important question but is the "proof" something should still remain after removing warnings ?

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Originally Posted by Michael

Sounds not really important question but is the "proof" something should still remain after removing warnings ?

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All evidence from your previous warnings/bans will be visible for us gms if that's what you're asking.

the funny thing is most of flaming reports go like this
player 1 : fuc k you cu nt you piece of shit
player 2 : fucc your mother retard go suck a dicc
*player 1 waits his message to disappear*
5 mins later: player 1 has posted a thread OMG DUDE HE INSULTED ME FOR NO REASON FFS I HATE THIS KIND OF PEOPLE IWANNA QUIT in player reports
not gna bother reading older replies in this thread cause i dont really care if someone posted that already

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Originally Posted by Bakudo

yes it might sound dumb to someone with half a brain

this isn't my idea, it's just a factor that separates fg from the current most popular gunz server (considering they do exactly this)

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Thing is that server actually does not patch any single of their hacks Lo.

They got even dumbers gm's than here that can't spot shit.

Also the owner itself codes hacks (apparently to sell em to the brs/koreans)

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Originally Posted by Jaay

Thing is that server actually does not patch any single of their hacks Lo.

They got even dumbers gm's than here that can't spot shit.

Also the owner itself codes hacks (apparently to sell em to the brs/koreans)

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Actually none of that is true lol

The reason gms don't 'spot' shit is because they're mainly working for player support and reports on spamming/ swapping etc.. The owner knows every single player that is hacking (there's a difference between detecting and patching a hack) .. theres no point giving gms power to ban when they can abuse it like on this server and they're half retarded when it comes to actually spotting a hack.

He patches hacks without banning players, I guess that's what Dave does in a sense when he chooses not to ban all you idiots using a detected hack...except fgunz is less consistent when it comes to patching hacks and pushing updates

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Originally Posted by Bakudo

instead of banning every bad player for hacking, why not just temporary ban the player until his hack is patched... whats the point of banning a player for 3/6 month appeal for a hack they can no longer use... easiest way to maintain your playerbase is to issue more consistant updates, considering you probably have more active banned players than users on your server (just saying)

people usually hack to gain an advantage in cw --> cw competition is what keeps gunz alive

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If they did it once, there's a chance they will do it again. That's what the extended ban time is for. Just because hack A was patched, what's stopping them from using the revolutionary new hack B just days later?

The times may be a bit exaggerated, but it remains a fact that most users will just do it again. Unfortunately it's a case of a few people ruining it for the rest. But that's just how it is, and that fact will not change. There's only hope that by the time they can come back maybe they've learned their lesson, but again-- not always the case.

As for the whole flaming thing. I'm on the gray area here. As much as I don't support the idea of being manchildren and yelling such words at each other-- what is considered mutable should be toned down a bit. I mean once we hit racist and homophobic territory, that's understandable-- we're not fourchan or reddit, and I would presume everyone here would like to keep it this way, aye? But in any case, anything beyond derogatory shouldn't be punishable because for one, this server has a fully functioning ignore system and for the love of ****, none of you are special snowflakes.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

All evidence from your previous warnings/bans will be visible for us gms if that's what you're asking.

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I mean is the proof gonna be still visble for the players in their accs in website ? I don't think it should remain if some warnings gonna get removed, don't you think like that ? it would be useless

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Originally Posted by Bakudo

Actually none of that is true lol

The reason gms don't 'spot' shit is because they're mainly working for player support and reports on spamming/ swapping etc.. The owner knows every single player that is hacking (there's a difference between detecting and patching a hack) .. theres no point giving gms power to ban when they can abuse it like on this server and they're half retarded when it comes to actually spotting a hack.

He patches hacks without banning players, I guess that's what Dave does in a sense when he chooses not to ban all you idiots using a detected hack...except fgunz is less consistent when it comes to patching hacks and pushing updates

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The problem with hacks is that it will always be a cat and mouse game (so long there is someone who keeps making hacks). It's easy to say "just patch it", but in reality it's hard to actually permanently patch a hack.

Whoever has a bit of coding experience should know that this will always be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Dave

The problem with hacks is that it will always be a cat and mouse game (so long there is someone who keeps making hacks). It's easy to say "just patch it", but in reality it's hard to actually permanently patch a hack.

Whoever has a bit of coding experience should know that this will always be a problem.

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It's true there's a million ways to bypass a patch for hacks, but who said playing the cat and mouse game is a bad thing? There's no real profit or motivation for people to constantly update hacks. It just seems like devs are more focused on irrelevant things to make the server look 'pretty' . Looks like you need more creative people to work on preventing solvable problems(sad that people are still ucing through programs)


It's pretty hard to admit but even tho hexpresso is a ****** he was actually motivated in preventing hacks rather than relying on gms to ban players based on their opinionated judgement
(Banning players from a report just makes them bypass and continue using/sharing their hack... It doesn't contribute to the issue)

even announcing publicly on the forum that a hack is detected will stop people from using it and save you more players (if you get what I mean)

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Originally Posted by Bakudo

It's true there's a million ways to bypass a patch for hacks, but who said playing the cat and mouse game is a bad thing? There's no real profit or motivation for people to constantly update hacks. It just seems like devs are more focused on irrelevant things to make the server look 'pretty' . Looks like you need more creative people to work on preventing solvable problems(sad that people are still ucing through programs)


It's pretty hard to admit but even tho hexpresso is a ****** he was actually motivated in preventing hacks rather than relying on gms to ban players based on their opinionated judgement
(Banning players from a report just makes them bypass and continue using/sharing their hack... It doesn't contribute to the issue)

even announcing publicly on the forum that a hack is detected will stop people from using it and save you more players (if you get what I mean)

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One does not simply push regularly scheduled patches at fgunz. This is not up to the devs but the 2 administrators rather.

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Originally Posted by Bakudo

It's true there's a million ways to bypass a patch for hacks, but who said playing the cat and mouse game is a bad thing? There's no real profit or motivation for people to constantly update hacks. It just seems like devs are more focused on irrelevant things to make the server look 'pretty' . Looks like you need more creative people to work on preventing solvable problems(sad that people are still ucing through programs)


It's pretty hard to admit but even tho hexpresso is a ****** he was actually motivated in preventing hacks rather than relying on gms to ban players based on their opinionated judgement
(Banning players from a report just makes them bypass and continue using/sharing their hack... It doesn't contribute to the issue)

even announcing publicly on the forum that a hack is detected will stop people from using it and save you more players (if you get what I mean)

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Based on this reply I can assume that you have no or close to no experience with coding.
Even major games such as CSGO, GTA V and COD all have hacks released. These are all major companies who have a big development team and even they can't stop it permanently.

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Originally Posted by Michael

I mean is the proof gonna be still visble for the players in their accs in website ? I don't think it should remain if some warnings gonna get removed, don't you think like that ? it would be useless

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Well I've never gotten a warning so you can ask someone who has and got it removed if it's still visable for them.

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Feel like this whole thread kinda took a wrong turn. But anyways

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There's no real profit or motivation for people to constantly update hacks

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Yet they do so I guess there's some profit or we wouldn't have assholes like Mike and whoever's out there making them. Then also, we actually have to get a hold of the hack to know what we're dealing with.

You're being insulting by saying random ass BRs.

To me that is more racist and insulting than peoples ego, and the treatment of BRs has become a joke..which to some, can serve as a blessing and to be well vetted, but, two casual players, it is just rude.

I didn't read the rest of people's comments...I mean, I think the forums could be a bit cleaner, some of the shit said here is just inane and degrading, but if that's what keeps the player base happy, I don't want to change it, I'll opt to just ignore it.

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Originally Posted by EASTVAN

You're being insulting by saying random ass BRs.

To me that is more racist and insulting than peoples ego, and the treatment of BRs has become a joke..which to some, can serve as a blessing and to be well vetted, but, two casual players, it is just rude.

I didn't read the rest of people's comments...I mean, I think the forums could be a bit cleaner, some of the shit said here is just inane and degrading, but if that's what keeps the player base happy, I don't want to change it, I'll opt to just ignore it.

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Feel free to report it. The only real "shit" I see is at the ego section apart from some few comments every now and then from trolls.

if there is ONE game moderator who is active cwer to see what we "normal players" see, sht people from yesterday turn sayians over a night, shit is hilarious.
there is no point in reporting anymore, same people hacking/macroing. you gms should deal with it seriously.
i sometimes feel gms are just numbers, honestly idk what to say.

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Originally Posted by Sam

if there is ONE game moderator who is active cwer to see what we "normal players" see, sht people from yesterday turn sayians over a night, shit is hilarious.
there is no point in reporting anymore, same people hacking/macroing. you gms should deal with it seriously.
i sometimes feel gms are just numbers, honestly idk what to say.

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Having me CW is not going to help by any means. I still have to deal with it as a report and need at least 2 game moderators to agree with me that he's unlegit. I can't just ban whoever looks suspicious during CW and the processing of getting them banned won't be faster either since I'm depending on others aswell.

We're taking reports seriously, I don't know why you would think otherwise. The only thing I agree on which I guess you're hinting at is that yes we/some could be more active.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Having me CW is not going to help by any means. I still have to deal with it as a report and need at least 2 game moderators to agree with me that he's unlegit. I can't just ban whoever looks suspicious during CW and the processing of getting them banned won't be faster either since I'm depending on others aswell.

We're taking reports seriously, I don't know why you would think otherwise. The only thing I agree on which I guess you're hinting at is that yes we/some could be more active.

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I'm not hiting on your activity, but ye its shit.
I think if there is 1-2 GMS who actually play tdm/cw, they will have a better point of view on every single tdm/cwer player and he/they can see if he change over a night lol..
bullshit to decide over 3-4 replays.

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Originally Posted by Sam

I'm not hiting on your activity, but ye its shit.
I think if there is 1-2 GMS who actually play tdm/cw, they will have a better point of view on every single tdm/cwer player and he/they can see if he change over a night lol..
bullshit to decide over 3-4 replays.

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Right so we need 3 gms in the same game watching the same guy deciding live whether he's hacking or not because replays are bs. Seems legit (and the scenario is pretty unrealistic lol). and I don't know what you mean by "better point of view" because that means nothing. You need evidence and "knowing them" won't change the speed of them getting banned.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Right so we need 3 gms in the same game watching the same guy deciding live whether he's hacking or not because replays are bs. Seems legit (and the scenario is pretty unrealistic lol). and I don't know what you mean by "better point of view" because that means nothing. You need evidence and "knowing them" won't change the speed of them getting banned.

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I think you didn't get my point.
anyway the gms should be more active. i mean at least they can log in once per month, nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by Sam

I think you didn't get my point.
anyway the gms should be more active. i mean at least they can log in once per month, nothing wrong with that.

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Then please explain your point instead of just saying "you didn't get my point" lol

Let me tell you why I'm against gms cwing exactly; You become competitive which means your ego and hate can easily take over, you become competitive so you might actually cheat by abusing your status as a gm for your own benefit, you become competitive so you actually risk going corrupt by helping teammates and even might start cheating by using hacks yourself.

I can't say we, as in everyone, has never seen that happen to gms before right? That's why I personally dislike gms doing cw because it happens eventually to some.

The only reason I don't CW is simply because I've never been a CW player AND never been playing with guns seriously, I've always been a gladiator. Although I did start playing with shotguns like 1 week back now and iz doing alöt of progreshh

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Then please explain your point instead of just saying "you didn't get my point" lol

Let me tell you why I'm against gms cwing exactly; You become competitive which means your ego and hate can easily take over, you become competitive so you might actually cheat by abusing your status as a gm for your own benefit, you become competitive so you actually risk going corrupt by helping teammates and even might start cheating by using hacks yourself.

I can't say we, as in everyone, has never seen that happen to gms before right? That's why I personally dislike gms doing cw because it happens eventually to some.

The only reason I don't CW is simply because I've never been a CW player AND never been playing with guns seriously, I've always been a gladiator. Although I did start playing with shotguns like 1 week back now and iz doing alöt of progreshh

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Decent playas like Legancy and Taint shall cw but they're probably the less active. ( and I ain't got a fk to give bout u guys activity i'm just stating it out)

then again,thread can be closed as it's getting what-so-ever Dave answered smthing like few of the warnings will be re-viewed or smthing when v8 comes out