ban white set from tourney

hi,

in tourneys theres a rule that you cannot wear avatars, this is so people won't have a visual advantage over others. However though you can just pick up a white set from the store and use this in the tourney, basically negating the whole point of the rule that you cannot wear avatars.

i think if you don't allow avatars you should atleast not allow white sets either.

vote in the poll what you think about it

and remove avatars from cw ty

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

hi,

in tourneys theres a rule that you cannot wear avatars, this is so people won't have a visual advantage over others. However though you can just pick up a white set from the store and use this in the tourney, basically negating the whole point of the rule that you cannot wear avatars.

i think if you don't allow avatars you should atleast not allow white sets either.

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Sorry, there is no valid reason for banning white sets, and it is available for everyone which is fair.
you can't ban it just because you hate it.
It is for me No, looking for valid reason/s.
(no offense, In fact every color made from white Kappa)

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Originally Posted by Faky

Sorry, there is no valid reason for banning white sets, and it is available for everyone which is fair.
you can't ban it just because you hate it.
It is for me No, looking for valid reason/s.
(no offense, In fact every color made from white Kappa)

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not sure if u read my thread, i meant banning it for tourneys and i literally gave a reason in my thread

on top of that it isn't fair for everyone since if you have a monitor with TN panels which have a harder time to distinguish colors, it can be really hard for that person to aim a white set player, its just dumb to keep that but don't allow avatars, might aswell allow mummy etc then.

best would be if everyone used the same set, something non white obviously

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Originally Posted by angry

best would be if everyone used the same set, something non white obviously

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I think that's way too strict lol. Why have clothes at all then?

I personally think that people should be able to dress however they want since the option to wear whatever you want is a thing. I don't see any other game doing this to make it easier on the eyes, plus i don't play with whitemaps so it's not an issue for me lul.

Btw this isn't an ego thread guys so stop that shit.

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Originally Posted by Faky

Sorry, there is no valid reason for banning white sets, and it is available for everyone which is fair.
you can't ban it just because you hate it.

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No logic in your words. Avatars are also available for everyone, but they're banned for certain reasons. Plus, didn't understand the "hate" part.

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

not sure if u read my thread, i meant banning it for tourneys and i literally gave a reason in my thread

on top of that it isn't fair for everyone since if you have a monitor with TN panels which have a harder time to distinguish colors, it can be really hard for that person to aim a white set player, its just dumb to keep that but don't allow avatars, might aswell allow mummy etc then.

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Exactly, if you ban avatars, then ban white sets as well.

I can add that I for example hate when people wear like beige shit cuz that makes it harder for me since I play with textures

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Originally Posted by Linzor

I think that's way too strict lol. Why have clothes at all then?

I personally think that people should be able to dress however they want since the option to wear whatever you want is a thing. I don't see any other game doing this to make it easier on the eyes, plus i don't play with whitemaps so it's not an issue for me lul.

Btw this isn't an ego thread guys so stop that shit.

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i'm sorry but you are wrong, tons of games have skins that are either banned or reworked for competitive play because of visual issues. u might not have heard of it because they proactively dealt with the issue

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Originally Posted by Linzor

I think that's way too strict lol. Why have clothes at all then?

I personally think that people should be able to dress however they want since the option to wear whatever you want is a thing. I don't see any other game doing this to make it easier on the eyes, plus i don't play with whitemaps so it's not an issue for me lul.

Btw this isn't an ego thread guys so stop that shit.

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its a 2v2 sgo tournament not a fashion show linzor.. casual

I think the current rules that are set is fine. Adding all those rules to take out certain clothes is not necessary. Imo

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Originally Posted by TonySoprano

I think the current rules that are set is fine. Adding all those rules to take out certain clothes is not necessary. Imo��

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I think the current rules that are set is fine. Adding all those rules to take out certain clothes is not necessary. Imo��

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then again you haven't touched a single cw/tourney in your gunz life so how relevant is your opinion...? (not ego just facts)

i think you should listen to the competetive players on this one and thusfar not a single competitive player said no

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Originally Posted by TonySoprano

I think the current rules that are set is fine. Adding all those rules to take out certain clothes is not necessary. Imo

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lol this is one of the reasons why fgunz competitive scene growing will never happen... all the no comments are from people who spend their time on fgunz in training rooms and AnD rooms (ie u and faky).

majority of ppl agreeing are those who play competitive. meaning they're actually in the tourney.

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Originally Posted by angry

its a 2v2 sgo tournament not a fashion show linzor.. casual

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Then why have them?

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

i'm sorry but you are wrong, tons of games have skins that are either banned or reworked for competitive play because of visual issues. u might not have heard of it because they proactively dealt with the issue

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I mean ye they adjust them but nothing offered is banned. Basically all games I play that offer different characters or customization lets you wear or look whatever the game offers them. I've never experienced a skin, avatar or anything in any game being banned from when I play ranked or tournaments.

But yes oh well I don't do tournaments so what do I know really if *everyone* thinks it should be banned. I am just thinking in comparison to other games. Idk if there are any white clothes that you can buy on fgunz.net for example only to have it banned

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Then why have them?



I mean ye they adjust them but nothing offered is banned. Basically all games I play that offer different characters or customization lets you wear or look whatever the game offers them. I've never experienced a skin, avatar or anything in any game being banned from when I play ranked or tournaments.

But yes oh well I don't do tournaments so what do I know really if *everyone* thinks it should be banned. I am just thinking in comparison to other games. Idk if there are any white clothes that you can buy on fgunz.net for example only to have it banned

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well i'm suggesting to NOT have a fashion show this tournament... ****ing hell what am i typing to?

ganggbangg is a genius do not question his knowledge

I agree on removing it from tournaments only, due to the advantage it gives regarding aim

bar the argument happening in the chatbox right now, i don't think there's no reason why white sets shouldn't be banned.

avatars are banned for the obvious reason - they're harder to aim, yet white sets are the exact same way.

"what if they don't play with white maps/archetype" could you find me one competitive player who doesn't play with these settings?
"stuff like this isn't banned in other games" league and overwatch ban certain skins/all skins.

if you guys want to improve your competitive scene so bad (which i think is exactly what you're doing considering spread/cw changes etc.) then how about you actually listen to the people playing competitively/participating in the tournament lol..

the majority saying no, as said before, are those players i only ever see playing in training rooms, quest rooms or attack & defense rooms. there's no real purpose for you to have an input on this thing when you and i both know you're not even participating in the damn thing lol.

if people who are actually playing in it come to the majority decision that they want it disabled, then that's how it should be. no if's or but's.

tournies on [insert old server] used to have a rule saying no white sets, but 1-2 pieces of clothing that are white are fine lol

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league and overwatch ban certain skins/all skins.

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No I don't think so but they're adjusted I believe.

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then how about you actually listen to the people playing competitively/participating in the tournament lol..

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Who says we are not? Are you saying that Dave/Mc haven't done a shitton of changes because the community asked so? Ofc we want to improve it, that doesn't mean none can debate you or ask questions regarding it, get a bigger picture of it all.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

No I don't think so but they're adjusted I believe.


Who says we are not? Are you saying that Dave/Mc haven't done a shitton of changes because the community asked so? Ofc we want to improve it, that doesn't mean none can debate you or ask questions regarding it, get a bigger picture of it all.

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1.) they are exactly as i said (https://esporthow.com/banned-skins-i...s-tournaments/) league certain skins, overwatch no skins (dont care to find article, google it urself for proof)

2.) no one said you weren't; and thats literally what i said. i said you're in the process of doing it. so continue doing it by listening to competitive players on this matter as well lol. what's the purpose of someone who has only ever played quest in their life saying that players who pvp should be able to wear white because there's no advantage in wearing a white set. what is the credibility in that statement from a quester? i would like to know.

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Originally Posted by SunRui

2.) no one said you weren't; and thats literally what i said. i said you're in the process of doing it. so continue doing it by listening to competitive players on this matter as well lol. what's the purpose of someone who has only ever played quest in their life saying that players who pvp should be able to wear white because there's no advantage in wearing a white set. what is the credibility in that statement from a quester? i would like to know.

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So here's what you do. You think "what a ****ing moron" and then you move on. You do not *ban them* from giving their opinion. This forum is not entitled to anyone.

If everyone thinks its stupid then why do you think anyone would take their opinion into consideration? It just wont go any further than them posting it, which they have every right to do.

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Just explain to them why they're wrong, or ignore them, but you can't silence them.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

So here's what you do. You think "what a ****ing moron" and then you move on. You do not *ban them* from giving their opinion. This forum is not entitled to anyone.

If everyone thinks its stupid then why do you think anyone would take their opinion into consideration? It just wont go any further than them posting it, which they have every right to do.

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so that's what we're doing with the players who argued no, because comp. players know they aren't comp. players. and their say on the matter doesn't matter at all. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE TOURNAMENT.

LOL i really don't understand the argument you're trying to make so badly to be honest, it's like you're just playing devils advocate to play devils advocate. we're literally explaining to you guys that competitive players all agree they should be banned, but you lot all want to continue arguing about it when you're not even part of the tournament, a duel or clan war player to begin with

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Originally Posted by SunRui

so that's what we're doing with the players who argued no, because comp. players know they aren't comp. players. and their say on the matter doesn't matter at all. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE TOURNAMENT.

LOL i really don't understand the argument you're trying to make so badly to be honest, it's like you're just playing devils advocate to play devils advocate. we're literally explaining to you guys that competitive players all agree they should be banned, but you lot all want to continue arguing about it when you're not even part of the tournament, a duel or clan war player to begin with

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I think all my questions were solid concerns, and you're ok to not agree with that but that doesn't mean you can tell me to stfu.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

I think all my questions were solid concerns, and you're ok to not agree with that but that doesn't mean you can tell me to stfu.

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i never told you to stfu? i literally haven't even replied to you once this entire thread. i'm literally explaining why we shouldn't have these things in a tournament and you're trying to play devils advocate so bad when you're not even a part of it let alone someone i see ingame at all in a proper tdm/duel/cw.

i think it removes your credibility on the matter, which is all that i'm saying. could you find where i told you to stfu once at all in this thread, or the chatbox?

guys i think u all should just drop out cuz i will wear a white set and win ok

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Originally Posted by SunRui

lol this is one of the reasons why fgunz competitive scene growing will never happen... all the no comments are from people who spend their time on fgunz in training rooms and AnD rooms (ie u and faky).

majority of ppl agreeing are those who play competitive. meaning they're actually in the tourney.

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Sorry I never spent time on training rooms more than 5min LOL.. 75% on TDM rest 25% cw and events YOU-DONT-KNOW-MY-FKING-ALT-CHARS so stop QQ
"majority of ppl agreeing are those who play competitive. meaning they're actually in the tourney" if you consider them as competitive players and just think urself who the fking wearing white sets??? competitive players only wearing white sets, rest of the fg players just enjoying their meal.

I played 3v3 SNO tournament (white set enemies) they are pretty easy to aim... i almost owned them 3v1 they had full hp/ap + meds
since someone pointed there is no reason to keep it, white sets are ez to aim in snipers so keep white set in the tournament

if problem in ur monitor please change ur monitor lmao
if you cant aim white set YOU ARE JUST BAD nothing else


ok at last, If any particular set is only hard to visible please post it (staff will decide to keep or not) we can't ban all the white piece of paper

I think one thing you have to look at is: Where do you draw the line? Since we are talking sets, how white does an individual piece have to be to be "too white"? How grey/light grey is "too white"? How much % of the individual piece has to be white for it to be considered to be "too white" to be worn? Setting a rule on this matter is pretty hard because there's more than 1000 clothing pieces in total, and most of them have mixed colors and shades and it's not really clear on what's too white and what isn't. So it's really up to debate and subjective opinions and thus hard to be put into a rule.

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Originally Posted by McSic

I think one thing you have to look at is: Where do you draw the line? Since we are talking sets, how white does an individual piece have to be to be "too white"? How grey/light grey is "too white"? How much % of the individual piece has to be white for it to be considered to be "too white" to be worn? Setting a rule on this matter is pretty hard because there's more than 1000 clothing pieces in total, and most of them have mixed colors and shades and it's not really clear on what's too white and what isn't. So it's really up to debate and subjective opinions and thus hard to be put into a rule.

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Thats not hard at all, just don't allow any clothing piece that are fully white, it's only 5-6 out of the 1000 that are actually annoying, unless someone corrects me

i could even name the clothing pieces if you give me a second

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Originally Posted by McSic

I think one thing you have to look at is: Where do you draw the line? Since we are talking sets, how white does an individual piece have to be to be "too white"? How grey/light grey is "too white"? How much % of the individual piece has to be white for it to be considered to be "too white" to be worn? Setting a rule on this matter is pretty hard because there's more than 1000 clothing pieces in total, and most of them have mixed colors and shades and it's not really clear on what's too white and what isn't. So it's really up to debate and subjective opinions and thus hard to be put into a rule.

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Head: White winter hat
Body: Navy Shirt
Gloves: Wedding gloves
legs: Wedding pants
Feet: Wedding shoes

this is the white set that I'm talking about, idk if anyone got something to add.. I don't usually wear white set since I'm not insecure so I might have missed some items :P

tbh just all drop out before i embarrass u guys....

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

Head: White winter hat
Body: Navy Shirt
Gloves: Wedding gloves
legs: Wedding pants
Feet: Wedding shoes

this is the white set that I'm talking about, idk if anyone got something to add.. I don't usually wear white set since I'm not insecure so I might have missed some items :P

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the santa set

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

Head: White winter hat
Body: Navy Shirt
Gloves: Wedding gloves
legs: Wedding pants
Feet: Wedding shoes

this is the white set that I'm talking about, idk if anyone got something to add.. I don't usually wear white set since I'm not insecure so I might have missed some items :P

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Yeah a clear, complete list of forbidden pieces would be better. So there's nothing up for debate/discussion

I don't want to step on anybodys toes here, but if you think wearing a whiteset is a fashion statement you're out of your ****ing mind. Wearing the all the most covering and white items isn't to look good, its to blend in or to be hard to spot. I doubt anyone actually wears a whiteset because they think it looks good for it is as much of a fashion statement as wearin a white T-shirt.

There are real advantages to banning hardly visible sets. It raises the gameplay to a higher standard and provides both the players and the viewers of the tournament a better experience.

I think the only debate to be had is whether we should have a "tournament set" or if we should have a list of banned items


Also if you think we are trying to gatekeep players from entering the tournament, I'm 100% fine with people who wouldnt participate because they couldn't wear certain items didn't get in, since the spot would go to someone who's actually interested in playing.

Head: White winter hat
Wedding hat
Eskimo hat


Body: Navy Shirt
Angel's wings
wing of freyja
White winter top
Wedding dress

Gloves(doesn't really matter a lot, all kinda visible):
Wedding gloves
Angel's gloves
white winter gloves

legs: Wedding pants
White winter skirt

Feet(doesn't really matter a lot, all kinda visible): Wedding shoes
Angel's sandals


here's a full list of all the white clothing pieces that may give an advantage

how about fully naked, then they are white.... pls no non-clothed ppl either i will lose cuz i cant see!

Erza scarlet shirt*

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

Head: White winter hat
Wedding hat
Eskimo hat


Body: Navy Shirt
Angel's wings
wing of freyja
White winter top
Wedding dress

Gloves(doesn't really matter a lot, all kinda visible):
Wedding gloves
Angel's gloves
white winter gloves

legs: Wedding pants
White winter skirt

Feet(doesn't really matter a lot, all kinda visible): Wedding shoes
Angel's sandals


here's a full list of all the white clothing pieces that may give an advantage

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Those are the ones for female I guess. Gotta keep in mind that male has some different clothes.

I see people also mentioned White Santa Set and Erza Scarlet Shirt. There's probably more to add.

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Originally Posted by McSic

Those are the ones for female I guess. Gotta keep in mind that male has some different clothes.

I see people also mentioned White Santa Set and Erza Scarlet Shirt. There's probably more to add.

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white santa = white winter set
I don't think Erza chest counts as white set but ok lets add it.

Female:

Head: White winter hat
Wedding hat
Eskimo hat


Body: Navy Shirt
Angel's wings
wing of freyja
White winter top
Wedding dress
Erza chest

Gloves(doesn't really matter a lot, all kinda visible):
Wedding gloves
Angel's gloves
white winter gloves

legs: Wedding pants
White winter skirt

Feet(doesn't really matter a lot, all kinda visible): Wedding shoes
Angel's sandals

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Male (aren't really a part of the issue):

Most of the male clothing pieces aren't bright white such as running shirt so I don't count them as white sets.

Head:
White winter hat

Top:
White winter top

Gloves:
Wedding gloves

Pants:
White winter pants

Feet:
Wedding shoes
White winter boots

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

white santa = white winter set
I don't think Erza chest counts as white set but ok lets add it.

Female:

Head: White winter hat
Wedding hat
Eskimo hat


Body: Navy Shirt
Angel's wings
wing of freyja
White winter top
Wedding dress
Erza chest

Gloves(doesn't really matter a lot, all kinda visible):
Wedding gloves
Angel's gloves
white winter gloves

legs: Wedding pants
White winter skirt

Feet(doesn't really matter a lot, all kinda visible): Wedding shoes
Angel's sandals

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Male (aren't really a part of the issue):

Most of the male clothing pieces aren't bright white such as running shirt so I don't count them as white sets.

Head:
White winter hat

Top:
White winter top

Gloves:
Wedding gloves

Pants:
White winter pants

Feet:
Wedding shoes
White winter boots

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powerrangers ones too

Also the White MJ Set.

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Originally Posted by Ekital

Also the White MJ Set.

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