ET's regarding VIP events.

Suggestion type:
FGunZ


Suggestion description:
I want to enforce a rule that forbids ET's from participating VIP event's or any event that at least involves coins.



One of the reasons that the ET's are ET'S to begin with is because they used to participate in events all the time because they had a passion for it, now some of those that used to win events on a regular basis are ET's themselves.

Et's win their own events AMONGST other staff members, that makes it even harder now for the community to win some coins, and last time I checked, ET's are supposed to entertain the community, the people, not other ET's. Imo it looks like shit and greedy as hell when an ET wins another ET's event.

I don't see how events are attractive to anyone when all they see are other staff members hosting events for other staff members, that's why I want to make a rule to at least make ET's not allowed to participate in "rare" events that are meant for the people, such as VIP events, but overall any event that involves coins.

So if you agree or disagree then let me know down below. If you think this should include ALL staff members and not just ET's then let me know that aswell.

I both agree for the points you mentioned above however i disagree for the following reason;
ETs are still players, like every other player, who have the ability to also host events and what not. this means they earn coins/event points in the same way and should therefore be allowed to play in whatever players are.

Agree. I would find it ok for ETs to participate in normal events though.

nibba wants the ets to pay for their coins
atleast pay them like 50c each vip host or w,e

Pretty hypocrite to only include et's, you have a point indeed. But than make this count for all the staff members.

I personally believe there should be a limit to all staff members, not just ETs. But when it comes to ETs I think they must conjure up a plan where they'd have the whole team setting up some reasonable rules where it's fair for the players, in normal events and VIP events, that's why I always set up a limit whenever a fellow ET decides to play in a set I am hosting, but yeah, whatever they come up to with since there's so many ETs right now anyway so you can't have them all playing too.

But they shouldn't be completely forbidden from participating, when they also paid to get their VIP rank like any member. They don't get special treatment where they'd have coins whenever they need them.

Of course their job is to entertain players, therefore they shouldn't cross a certain line.

In the Christmas event none of them is allowed to play for example as I requested them not to, but it doesn't mean it should be also with all VIP events. It's fine to win every once and awhile but not make it a habit, stealing every chance from others, or don't allow us at all I rarely win anyway kek, yeah, that's my two cents regarding this matter.

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Originally Posted by Tenax

I personally believe there should be a limit to all staff members, not just ETs. But when it comes to ETs I think they must conjure up a plan where they'd have the whole team setting up some reasonable rules where it's fair for the players, in normal events and VIP events, that's why I always set up a limit whenever a fellow ET decides to play in a set I am hosting, but yeah, whatever they come up to with since there's so many ETs right now anyway so you can't have them all playing too.

But they shouldn't be completely forbidden from participating, when they also paid to get their VIP rank like any member. They don't get special treatment where they'd have coins whenever they need them.

Of course their job is to entertain players, therefore they shouldn't cross a certain line.

In the Christmas event none of them is allowed to play for example as I requested them not to, but it doesn't mean it should be also with all VIP events. It's fine to win every once and awhile but not make it a habit, stealing every chance from others, or don't allow us at all I rarely win anyway kek, yeah, that's my two cents regarding this matter.

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I undeleted Surfen's post because he got a valid point. I think that they should not be allowed to participate whatsoever, and in return the host ( maybe the helpers but mostly the host) could earn some sort of reward for their contribution instead. That would encourage more ET's to host instead of participating, even though they wouldn't earn as much as if they'd participate they'd still get a "cut", which would not **** them over entirely of earning coins.

Honestly that suggestion would've made sense like 2-3 years ago when everything was (way) more active & alive.

Thus, I don't think that should be implemented at this point of time, but some sort of a less influential limit would be fine.

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Originally Posted by Amy

Agree. I would find it ok for ETs to participate in normal events though.

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I don't think this is ideal. I've seen players complain about ETs winning regular events, sometimes. 1 event point isn't worth much to begin with, so it's probably better if the ETs keep the players' best interests in mind. This matters even more in events like circle of mines, attributes touchdown, and simon says—where each round consumes a lot of time and then the winner turns out to be an ET. I personally have no problem with this, but you can see how it'd be demotivating to players.

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Originally Posted by León

Honestly that suggestion would've made sense like 2-3 years ago when everything was (way) more active & alive.

Thus, I don't think that should be implemented at this point of time, but some sort of a less influential limit would be fine.

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There already is a limit and it was added because of you and Ommadawn, yet that limit got fkd over because no one gave 2 shits about it, and dave and mc didn't pay attention to that because who would?

Limiting it doesn't work, either way I don't see why it shouldn't be implemented now, now's the perfect time if anything to attract more players by making them win more often.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

There already is a limit and it was added because of you and Ommadawn, yet that limit got fkd over because no one gave 2 shits about it, and dave and mc didn't pay attention to that because who would?

Limiting it doesn't work, either way I don't see why it shouldn't be implemented now, now's the perfect time if anything to attract more players by making them win more often.

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Yeah well, practically "kicking" ET's / Staff members would also be illogical since they don't get coins or anything for free, they win just like everyone else.

Just be "the man in charge" about the limitation and let it work itself out.

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Originally Posted by León

Yeah well, practically "kicking" ET's / Staff members would also be illogical since they don't get coins or anything for free, they win just like everyone else.

Just be "the man in charge" about the limitation and let it work itself out.

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Well read the earlier comments then, that's a suggestion to what we could do for the ET's instead. I'm not pointing any fingers here but corruption has been a thing that's been around for a long time, I don't see why another ET would make another ET pissed unless that ET's name is Tenax, who actually is just as evil as myself.

I just don't trust that it would work. Has to be a better way.

All staff members or none.
thanksbye.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Well read the earlier comments then, that's a suggestion to what we could do for the ET's instead. I'm not pointing any fingers here but corruption has been a thing that's been around for a long time, I don't see why another ET would make another ET pissed unless that ET's name is Tenax, who actually is just as evil as myself.

I just don't trust that it would work. Has to be a better way.

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Oh, please.

Look man, even in a case that'll be implanted, do you honestly think playing on non-staff alts is impossible?
I reckon you won't be checking each and every character through cp before they join an event, right?

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Originally Posted by Eagle

All staff members or none.
thanksbye.

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That wouldn't work if you got some sort of reward for hosting though, trying to work around some ideas, but yes if going to just stricly not allow ET's to join events and with that not being able to earn coins whatsoever then it should imply for all staff members imo

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Originally Posted by León

Oh, please.

Look man, even in a case that'll be implanted, do you honestly think playing on non-staff alts is impossible?
I reckon you won't be checking each and every character through cp before they join an event, right?

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But if you got find out then you could be punished for it. I don't think people would risk that.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

That wouldn't work if you got some sort of reward for hosting though, trying to work around some ideas, but yes if going to just stricly not allow ET's to join events and with that not being able to earn coins whatsoever then it should imply for all staff members imo



But if you got find out then you could be punished for it. I don't think people would risk that.

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That's one huge "if".

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Originally Posted by Linzor

That wouldn't work if you got some sort of reward for hosting though, trying to work around some ideas, but yes if going to just stricly not allow ET's to join events and with that not being able to earn coins whatsoever then it should imply for all staff members imo



But if you got find out then you could be punished for it. I don't think people would risk that.

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Even though I win one or two times in a year, I'm not growing money on trees, And I wanna win just like anyone else, im a human too i guess?

Whoever is hosting should be the one limiting it to 3 wins for staff. [like i do?]

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Originally Posted by Eagle

Even though I win one or two times in a year, I'm not growing money on trees, And I wanna win just like anyone else, im a human too i guess?

Whoever is hosting should be the one limiting it to 3 wins for staff. [like i do?]

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That's why I'm now discussing another way for you guys to earn coins instead of participating.

There could be some reward system.

Just because you do it doesn't mean that others will, and no1 is going to keep an eye on you if you do or don't so it's not stable. And for all you know, after that et have won he could just go on an alt and continue then. There has to be some precautions.

Let's say all of you do it for 3 months, that 4th month that one time no one is going to notice if you look between your fingers for another staff member.

I paid 300 Coins for my VIP therefore I have the equal right as a normal player to participate in them events and win as many times as I possibly can.

However I suck at events unless they are PvP event which is never when it comes to VIP event therefore suck to be me.

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Originally Posted by Notorious

I paid 300 Coins for my VIP therefore I have the equal right as a normal player to participate in them events and win as many times as I possibly can.

However I suck at events unless they are PvP event which is never when it comes to VIP event therefore suck to be me.

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Okay, I guess the staff that actually paid for their VIP can be an exception.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Okay, I guess the staff that actually paid for their VIP can be an exception.

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Staff which aren't VIP shouldn't even attend the event unless they are hosting, if not then they should not even enter the room.

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Originally Posted by Notorious

Staff which aren't VIP shouldn't even attend the event unless they are hosting, if not then they should not even enter the room.

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Glad we can agree on this one, guess the problem would be solved with this answer?

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Okay, I guess the staff that actually paid for their VIP can be an exception.

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No shouldn't be an exception, you applied to become a staff member so you should expect that, you offer the best for the server not for yourself.
you should give more than you take, accept it or leave. for now its a serious matter to keep the server going on.

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Originally Posted by Sam

No shouldn't be an exception, you applied to become a staff member so you should expect that, you offer the best for the server not for yourself.
you should give more than you take, accept it or leave. for now its a serious matter to keep the server going on.

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So according to you, people that already had VIP, lose those rights as a VIP when they become staff..? *takes a hit from the chief's smoking pipe*

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Originally Posted by StephanM

So according to you, people that already had VIP, lose those rights as a VIP when they become staff..? *takes a hit from the chief's smoking pipe*

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yea, as long as they can join any full room and have much more things than regular vip members, losing this 1 THING shouldn't be a big problem.
we are talking about the staff members participating in the VIP events.

I'm sure you can make a rule of like max 3 wins for staff members.

Adding to that someone did make a rule but this new et loves breaking the rule (Zabu) he went on alt to win more than 3 times in VIP event.

Fix the new ET (Zabu), and max 3 wins is suitable. Also they shouldn't be using an alt account lmao.

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Originally Posted by Sam

No shouldn't be an exception, you applied to become a staff member so you should expect that, you offer the best for the server not for yourself.
you should give more than you take, accept it or leave. for now its a serious matter to keep the server going on.

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Let me get this right, staff members get no benefits when it comes to doing their role correct? I mean from what I gather they give 0 discount for coins, they don't get paid for their time they put into the server if it be events/handling reports/monitoring forums, they don't get really anything back from the server other than the satifaction of knowing they are 'possibly' doing a good job.

So now we want to also remove their rights from VIP events aswell? If they've legitimately bought their VIP status which comes with many of benefits, one of them being to participate in VIP events to win coins then how can you stop that? Limit the amount they can win? Don't we talk about equality here? By removing their VIP event rights, you are opening them up for refunds seeing as they aren't being "sold" something they were promised.

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Originally Posted by Hoodlum

Let me get this right, staff members get no benefits when it comes to doing their role correct? I mean from what I gather they give 0 discount for coins, they don't get paid for their time they put into the server if it be events/handling reports/monitoring forums, they don't get really anything back from the server other than the satifaction of knowing they are 'possibly' doing a good job.

So now we want to also remove their rights from VIP events aswell? If they've legitimately bought their VIP status which comes with many of benefits, one of them being to participate in VIP events to win coins then how can you stop that? Limit the amount they can win? Don't we talk about equality here? By removing their VIP event rights, you are opening them up for refunds seeing as they aren't being "sold" something they were promised.

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Pretty sure most ranks as a staff member can enter any room.

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Originally Posted by Hoodlum

Let me get this right, staff members get no benefits when it comes to doing their role correct? I mean from what I gather they give 0 discount for coins, they don't get paid for their time they put into the server if it be events/handling reports/monitoring forums, they don't get really anythign back from the server other than the satifaction of knwoing they are 'possibly' doing a good job.

So now we want to also remove their rights from VIP events aswell? If they've legitimately bought their VIP status which comes with many of benefits, one of them being to participate in VIP events to win coins then how can you stop that? Limit the amount they can win? Don't we talk about equality here? By removing their VIP event rights, you are opening them up for refunds seeing as they aren't being "sold" something they were promised.

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That's why I'm discussing a reward system for the hosts now, so instead of removing it all together, all staff but et's can play, and instead the et who hosts the vip event gets a coin reward instead. This will motivate ET's to host events more frequently and also motivate more players to come join when they see they have a bigger chance to win.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Pretty sure most ranks as a staff member can enter any room.

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Exactly so they don't need their VIP status then, since they can already join full rooms, so by removing their event rights aswell their purchase of the VIP status is pointless.

Some people here debating on only allowing staff members to win a certain amount of times in 'special' events.
this would also be logical to apply to players then, right? for the same reasons; players dont like it when someone is constantly winning the event, regardless of whether its a staff member or not, therefore you should add that rule that no1 is allowed to win 3 times in a set/event anyways.

since that rule hasnt been added until now, i dont see why now is any different. the only events it is sometimes used in is the race type events, as those were completely overrun by mainly 3 winners so the rule had to have been made.

Don't derail the thread.

First and final warning.

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Et's win their own events AMONGST other staff members, that makes it even harder now for the community to win some coins, and last time I checked, ET's are supposed to entertain the community, the people, not other ET's. Imo it looks like shit and greedy as hell when an ET wins another ET's event.

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Totally Agree with you bro because it is for VIP PLAYER So i think it is right Suggestion you have made i am with you

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Originally Posted by Mex

I'm sure you can make a rule of like max 3 wins for staff members.

Adding to that someone did make a rule but this new et loves breaking the rule (Zabu) he went on alt to win more than 3 times in VIP event.

Fix the new ET (Zabu), and max 3 wins are suitable. Also, they shouldn't be using an alt account lmao.

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I love how you act, okay leggo.
my first and last VIP event as an Event moderator, I came at the last 2 rounds of LMS on my ALT account cause my VIP was on that account(Not like I tried to hide it, I was on a char named Zabu, everyone knew it was me, Even Adri told me to not win more than 2 rounds), Joined and played only 2 rounds, I won the 2 rounds and went on my staff account and helped the whole event set, before you throw something like this at least make sure.

OT; We already talked about this, I have no problem with this since we are 7 ET's currently and an ET chance to win a VIP event is 50%, okay so I got no problem with this, I won't play VIP events from now on.

The Role that a Events staff has, is only to make Events, saying that they should not participate in events since the events are only for the players and not for themselves, for that they were chosen as Events staff.

I had this rule, except it was only for Mex because he would constantly go on win streaks in race. If you paid for your VIP you should be able to play in the events. The only reason I bought VIP was for the events, and taking that privilege away seems a little unfair just because of a staff position they earned.

"Oh they're really good at events, that's why they're ET's", No.
They are regular players with the ability to host events. This doesn't make them good at it, I know and have worked with plenty of TET's and ET's who were god awful at events but still got their job done. Hosting and playing are two entirely different things.

I honestly think you should ban them from regular events. They signed up to host events, not participate. Regular EP converts to actual coin, and that's way more valuable to me since regular events are hosted more often. Let them play VIP because they paid for it, then ban them from regular events.

let them participate but put limits on their winnings

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Originally Posted by Zabu

I love how you act, okay leggo.
my first and last VIP event as an Event moderator, I came at the last 2 rounds of LMS on my ALT account cause my VIP was on that account(Not like I tried to hide it, I was on a char named Zabu, everyone knew it was me, Even Adri told me to not win more than 2 rounds), Joined and played only 2 rounds, I won the 2 rounds and went on my staff account and helped the whole event set, before you throw something like this at least make sure.

OT; We already talked about this, I have no problem with this since we are 7 ET's currently and an ET chance to win a VIP event is 50%, okay so I got no problem with this, I won't play VIP events from now on.

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When you wrote "now I can win more than 3 times on alt"
Like 3-5 people left cause they knew they had no chance to win.

Ot: if 6 Ets are on 1 win per ET is enough!
11 rounds for the community!

I say just limit it to maybe 1 out of every 3 VIP events they're allowed to play, and make this a rule with punishable offenses that applies to all staff. A rule that prior to applying for the ET/GM position, the person will just have to fully acknowledge and understand. And as for current ETs/GMs they'll sadly just have to accept it even though it wasn't established before they applied for the position. Monitoring it seems to be the only logical and easy thing to do. Obviously people are going to try to be sneaky and find ways around it, like using alts and such. That comes with any rule put into place anywhere, not just GunZ lol. Rules will never be able to permanently keep away acts of crime, they just help to prevent them. But that's why (just like with any other rule) players can report staff and GMs/admins can look into it and punish/demote as necessary.

People talking about how if staff paid for VIP they have a right to play as much as they want, but neglecting the fact that the regular players also paid money for that shit too lol. Yeah staff all start as regular members at one point and may have paid for VIP prior to becoming staff, but that's why I said to make it something they agree on before they agree to become a staff member. At the end of the day whether staff are getting paid hourly wages or not, it's still customer service, and like with any customer service place, the customer comes first. Take a restaurant for example. Wouldn't you be pissed if you and your family regularly go out to eat at different restaurants, only to find out the chef in the back has been eating nearly all the food on their shift and that they have no ingredients left to make the pretty much any of the food you and your family want? That's how you scare away customers. Same thing applies here. Wouldn't you be pissed if each time you join a VIP event thinking you have a chance to win some coins, the staff member just takes advantage of the service he/she is supposed to host for you each time ?

You don't take advantage of the product you're servicing when dealing with customer service. The bulk of the product should be reserved for the people.

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Originally Posted by Eddie

I say just limit it to maybe 1 out of every 3 VIP events they're allowed to play, and make this a rule with punishable offenses that applies to all staff. A rule that prior to applying for the ET/GM position, the person will just have to fully acknowledge and understand. And as for current ETs/GMs they'll sadly just have to accept it even though it wasn't established before they applied for the position. Monitoring it seems to be the only logical and easy thing to do. Obviously people are going to try to be sneaky and find ways around it, like using alts and such. That comes with any rule put into place anywhere, not just GunZ lol. Rules will never be able to permanently keep away acts of crime, they just help to prevent them. But that's why (just like with any other rule) players can report staff and GMs/admins can look into it and punish/demote as necessary.

People talking about how if staff paid for VIP they have a right to play as much as they want, but neglecting the fact that the regular players also paid money for that shit too lol. Yeah staff all start as regular members at one point and may have paid for VIP prior to becoming staff, but that's why I said to make it something they agree on before they agree to become a staff member. At the end of the day whether staff are getting paid hourly wages or not, it's still customer service, and like with any customer service place, the customer comes first. Take a restaurant for example. Wouldn't you be pissed if you and your family regularly go out to eat at different restaurants, only to find out the chef in the back has been eating nearly all the food on their shift and that they have no ingredients left to make the pretty much any of the food you and your family want? That's how you scare away customers. Same thing applies here. Wouldn't you be pissed if each time you join a VIP event thinking you have a chance to win some coins, the staff member just rigs it for him/herself each time ?

You don't take advantage of the product you're servicing when dealing with customer service. The bulk of the product should be reserved for the people.

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it isnt about rigging at all.
as sonji said, not all ETs have/had a good ability to actually play an event, it isnt part of the requirement for getting the role.
if by chance, an ET is also someone that can regularly win events over other people using skill, why prevent that privilege from him, especially if he paid the same amount of coins as everyone else?

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Originally Posted by Bunny

it isnt about rigging at all.
as sonji said, not all ETs have/had a good ability to actually play an event, it isnt part of the requirement for getting the role.
if by chance, an ET is also someone that can regularly win events over other people using skill, why prevent that privilege from him, especially if he paid the same amount of coins as everyone else?

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Rigging was poor word choice sorry lol I'm tired. I meant more that they'd take advantage of the opportunity using their alts. And it's not fully preventing the privilege that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying don't ever give them a chance to get coins, I'm saying just limit how often they get their chance to. The main point to take from this is that they're supposed to entertain the people first. Going back to my previous example, when you work at a food place, they don't say you're not allowed to eat any of the food you make/serve there. They may just limit you on how much you can eat so that other people have a chance to get what they want.

They can still have their chance at getting coins, but I personally don't think it should be possible every single VIP event lol. It's bad enough that for years now the same people keep winning events. Just makes it look worse when it's always staff winning it.

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Originally Posted by Eddie

People talking about how if staff paid for VIP they have a right to play as much as they want, but neglecting the fact that the regular players also paid money for that shit too lol. Yeah staff all start as regular members at one point and may have paid for VIP prior to becoming staff, but that's why I said to make it something they agree on before they agree to become a staff member. At the end of the day whether staff are getting paid hourly wages or not, it's still customer service, and like with any customer service place, the customer comes first. Take a restaurant for example. Wouldn't you be pissed if you and your family regularly go out to eat at different restaurants, only to find out the chef in the back has been eating nearly all the food on their shift and that they have no ingredients left to make the pretty much any of the food you and your family want? That's how you scare away customers. Same thing applies here. Wouldn't you be pissed if each time you join a VIP event thinking you have a chance to win some coins, the staff member just takes advantage of the service he/she is supposed to host for you each time ?.

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They paid for VIP to get exclusive content that normal players don't have, it doesn't matter if they have a staff position or not. I'll try to match your example. Let's say I go to my favorite restaurant and get a job there. Would they say I can't order because I started work there? That'd be awful, I was a customer before taking the job. The staff members who bought VIP are still customers here.

Spoiler!

Also what kind of restaurant you know will let you eat food without payin, I'm starvin fam Kappa

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Originally Posted by Eddie

They can still have their chance at getting coins, but I personally don't think it should be possible every single VIP event lol. It's bad enough that for years now the same people keep winning events. Just makes it look worse when it's always staff winning it.

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If the same people keep winning it's the Host fault for letting it happen, they should know what kind of events can be won by the same person multiple times in a row, and should not be hosting it as a VIP event.

This suggestion is long overdue.

Event Moderators applied to host regular events for regular/VIP members. So I can see where the conflict lies between GMs/ETs. There should not be any argument between whether or not an Event Moderator can play though, it should have been like this 2 years ago. I tried to enforce it at times but failed miserably and gave up. Alternative accounts 4 the win.

If staff participate in VIP events they should also be limited to the amount of times that they win per set, regardless of whether or not they were VIP when they got the staff position. Staff roles were put in place to help out the community for the most part, a staff member constantly winning a regular event is just ridiculous.

but hey what do i know

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If the same people keep winning it's the Host fault for letting it happen, they should know what kind of events can be won by the same person multiple times in a row, and should not be hosting it as a VIP event.

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Except they don't really choose events, people vote for them. Don't think it's fair that they avoid to "suggest" certain events for the people to vote for because they know that "these specific players" will attend.

So the way I see it, it's either to reduce the amount of times that staff can win, which then I would have to agree with Mex and make it 1 time only.

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Some reward system that benefits the ET's (the hosts Imo) without reducing the chance for the VIP players to win some coins.

Let them play, if others can't win is technically not the staff's fault. There's no such thing as negative benefits for staff members, just like you working in a hospital as a Doctor but then you suffer *insert* disease and you're not allowed to receive treatment cause you're a staff.
It just doesn't make sense.

If the staff keeps winning perhaps cause of rigging, punish them individually and not affect every others.

Only apply to staffs with VIP