A Place For Newbies?

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FGunZ


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So wasn't there lobbies for lower levels back before ijji days? I'm just curious really because I feel like new people getting destroyed by players is the main reason that GunZ has retention issues. GunZ is a cool game, and I think everybody enjoys playing it. But nobody likes spawning right into some 10+ year veteran triple butterflying and gd half stepping them to death in .2 seconds. I just got my friend (Caligraphee) into GunZ and she was talking to me about how it sucks just getting smacked over and over, but that just going into a training room is boring.

Could there maybe be some implementation to make it easier for new players? Like lvl restricted room/lobbies?

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level gap sadly means not much in this game. you can get to level 99 in a day.

but either way, the server doesnt support the population to allow for splitting the community in 2 channels, the 1-51 channel was dead iirc before it was removed, and was merged.

I was thinking about how the level gap is kind of pointless as well, because experienced players can just make a new char and be lower level... I just feel like there has to be some way to appeal more to new players. Every new player just complains about getting shit on then stops playing after they can't stand it anymore.

Don't really think there's any way to retain new players with the current state of the game. If they're not enjoying the process of learning k-style then they should honestly just play another game for their own sake.

Btw I tried writing a more substantive reply but it just made me realize I've spent 1.5 years trying to learn this game and I'm still trash so yeah make of that what you will lmao

The only way i can see new players can have a good experience is if a bulk of them join at once and can make their own rooms to play with eachother. Otherwise, like in any other pvp game that exists for more than 10 years, a skill gap exists due to the existence of veteran players and theres not much to do about it.

maybe events just for beginners?

after smoking some weed i had a revelation. maybe make new players do a tutorial map that atleast teaches you bf slashshot and rs. after that let them out in the wild. this could be like a skill map thing that has 3 checkpoints one for each of the above moves. And my teachers told me drugs don't help. who is laughing now. The answer is me because of the weed. Kids dont do drugs

They can already make their rooms with level restrictions so high level players cannot get in, but as you stated, they will just make a new character an still join an smack anyone in that room so it doesn't do anything an is honestly a useless feature . This game really isn't meant for new players imo an I don't see them doing anything to change that ever when there is multiple multiple issues with the game as it is that need to be fixed/worked on . The problem is that veteran players, at least the majority of them, do not care for new players or care that people are trying to learn how to play, even in training rooms I see new people practicing alone minding their business & players continue to kill them an shit just because they don't care . Honestly new players just have to get shit on for a while until they learn how to survive/fight better . Unless they just get together in private rooms so no one can join in an ruin the game .

Be oldschool and learn the classic way:

1. Go ask people in training rooms for help on how to play the game.

2. Practice.

3. Don't be a dummy and join a tdm right away unless you actually think you learned something, rather do deathmatch and practice ur skills.

4. If step 3 didn't work out , repeat step 1.

But we are clearly not a big enough server to seperate players from each other. Count the rooms.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Be oldschool and learn the classic way:

1. Go ask people in training rooms for help on how to play the game.

2. Practice.

3. Don't be a dummy and join a tdm right away unless you actually think you learned something, rather do deathmatch and practice ur skills.

4. If step 3 didn't work out , repeat step 1.

But we are clearly not a big enough server to seperate players from each other. Count the rooms.

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This, I often feel like that this generation lacks the asking part and just assumes there is a tutorial on a silver plate.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

This, I often feel like that this generation lacks the asking part and just assumes there is a tutorial on a silver plate.

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To be fair I do see a lot of new people come in a room, tell everyone they're new, and ask someone to teach them. As someone who's been taught and have tried teaching, I personally think mentorship works best if the person trying to learn followed a tutorial first.

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Originally Posted by Amamin

To be fair I do see a lot of new people come in a room, tell everyone they're new, and ask someone to teach them. As someone who's been taught and have tried teaching, I personally think mentorship works best if the person trying to learn followed a tutorial first.

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Sorry I have to correct myself where it can go two ways; I do think an ingame tutorial can be nice but I feel like being taught by another more experience player (aka a mentor) has it's charm for this game, probably because that is how stuck with this game years ago cause of that method, on a more personal level instead of following a "computer generated" tutorial.

Gunz is not for new generation kids, well if they want to enjoy this game I would like to suggest them to play only Zombie / Turbo / Quest Modes. Trust me Infected (zombie mode) will be your addiction more than drugs. Please request to new players to try it don't let them to quit or give up on amazing game.

I used to play 8hrs a day Kappa and ofc now I'm playing events only it's kinda dying so pls do join events @everyone

Certain hardcore games have groups dedicated to teaching new people, like Escape From Tarkov has the Sherpa program and such. Maybe something like that could help?

I understand the notion of learning the old school way, getting beat up until you start beating up, but I care more about seeing new players stick around more than I care about the "oh back in my day...". There is a big issue with retaining new players and I just wanted to bring it up and maybe see if we could start to find a solution.

Totally forgot to mention that Frooples is working on a bot which could be useful in learning the game! ;)

whaaat that would be sick! <3

Biggest issue I see is almost no one is giving these new players a chance to play or get better. I do as much teaching as I possibly can to the loads of new players we are currently getting but it seems like the majority stop playing after one or two days unless I constantly work with them for the first week or so. Try to take some time to take new people on some easy quests and whatnot. I like to bring them to FGK because it’s an easy way for them to start learning the movements and they won’t get discouraged from constantly getting clapped from the massive skill gap. Their is such a huge resurgence in Gunz right now and this is probably one of the last chances we have at trying to retain new players. I know it’s not super fun to walk someone through the basics of Gunz but it is absolutely needed in order to keep this game going in the future. If you see a new guy in a death match or TDM don’t go crazy hard on them. Let them get a kill here and there. Between the twitch streamers and apparently Tiktok we are getting so many new players that are a younger age and this is such an awesome chance to bring the game to another generation to enjoy.

Also regarding making a group to help show new players the ropes I would be 100% into either creating that or at least being a part of it. That sounds like such an awesome idea and we should figure out the best way to go about creating that.

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Suggestion type:
FGunZ


Suggestion description:
So wasn't there lobbies for lower levels back before ijji days? I'm just curious really because I feel like new people getting destroyed by players is the main reason that GunZ has retention issues. GunZ is a cool game, and I think everybody enjoys playing it. But nobody likes spawning right into some 10+ year veteran triple butterflying and gd half stepping them to death in .2 seconds. I just got my friend (Caligraphee) into GunZ and she was talking to me about how it sucks just getting smacked over and over, but that just going into a training room is boring.

Could there maybe be some implementation to make it easier for new players? Like lvl restricted room/lobbies?

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Moving this to To be added later. Level Restricted lobbies are a thing of the past, instead we have ELO restricted lobbies.

However, our bot (AI) developer Frooples is working on the functionality of a bot teaching players how to play in training rooms (in-progress), see his Training Bot Blog for more information, see StephanM's post for where this is said.