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can u plz for the love of god remove these aids 11 12 dmg sgs. There was an issue regarding getting 2 shotted. you did so much changing the hp ap nerfing the lb. and now u bring that same facking aids back. Even the invention of oxygen in a bottle is better then this crap.
I agree about the damage but isn't it kinda fair since the ammo is low? You have to think twice before shooting and you actually have to be kinda close to the enemy with that shotgun or else it will be a waste of a slot for another weapon.
Why I agree with donkiller and personally want them removed is because, well, first of all why would you even add a shotgun in to the game that doesn't follow the original/current meta and just changes/breaks how you expect the gameplay to go, for example getting PB'd by those sgs just drags your health down so fast you're like 'wtf is this sh1t?', very unexpected and tilts you easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ommadawn
I think overall FG should put their focus on to standard shotguns like the rest of the servers out there, because that's what everyone wants to play with. Such a basic system makes it an even playingfield and you can expect the damage you take, there is no surprises like someone pbing you with S/SH.
Adding unexpected stuff like mines, snipers or super heavy shotguns is just uncalled for. Who even asked for those? Who thought it was a good idea? Imo since V8 came out, with the shotgun classes, the system on this server has been unnecessarily complicated, just use the most simple meta with Standard+Light shotguns, where heavy shotguns are so debuffed in the delay and ammo aspect, only people that really put in effort will gain anything from them.
If V8 was made more simple rather than overly-complicated FG would've been the NR1 private server out there, I am definitely confident of that!
Simplicity is key!
How are you going to explore new changes/metas if every time something new comes out and just because someone doesn't like it and you want to have it removed? All the stuffs you mentioned are what makes the game unique and it won't limit players into trying different things/playstyles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amers
In every item there's always advantages and disadvantages to it. Higher damage comes with slightly less ammo and vice versa. It's true that SSH shotguns may be OP that can kill a player with 2 pbs, but that only happens if the player play close range with you (Unless you're dumb enough to play close range with him knowing that he's using SSH).
Instead of complaining, why not learn how to deal with it?
this game is all about close range combat most of the time. thats why sg is the meta. And what about the hiding at corners with those sgs and getting 2shotted when u run by. how to fix that mister loud mouth ???. Not playing close range ??? ur a joke.
We are a little late to "explore new metas", this is soon a two decade year old game and it is alive solely because of k-style and the standard shotgun meta. I refuse to try any new metas, I am an oldgen and the style I love is two standard shotguns + pure mechanical skill. Any sort of mines, nukes, stuns whatevers are out of the question for me. You can add your new weapons, heck why not add a helicopter or someshit, but that would just mean me and probably rest of the playerbase will just peace out. We play it to enjoy our childhood game, not to explore how to **** with that, we play it just because of k-style and the meta, if i wanted nukes, helicopters, sniping etc I'd go to Call Of Duty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Platform
You can change the options, add new features, but please don't **** with the general lobby layout or the original gameplay nor the meta!
And if you're crying about it just to get the shotguns removed because you get rekt by other players, maybe it's time for you to get good? I don't see a reason to remove it just because a bunch of noobs like you couldn't cope with it and get trashed by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by donkiller
Your point is invalid, you don't even try to comprehend my argument, you just result to calling people noobs and insulting them because your intelligence isn't high enough to make a counter-argument. You are spouting nonsense, maybe because your life is boring, idk, so you result to forum-heroing. Here's my take on your attitude right now: You can F right off, i don't care about your nonsense, I am not your mental health counselor, so don't act up with me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Platform
It's like adding a shotgun that 1 hit kills people, does like 300damage, and then your argument is. "It only has 1 bullet", "It can only be used once", "Just get good and stop crying", "It has a long delay after clicking fire!"
Tbh idek why you're mentioning about other stuff which is totally irrelevant to the topic we're discussing here but whatever. You wanted oldschool style, and we have it. All the tags are there for you. [sgo], [ex], what more do you want? There are always oldschool rooms daily too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amers
But anyways, who else here isn't an oldgen? Just because players like you does not like trying new stuff doesn't mean fgunz should revolve around you, and stop having new gun updates (and bold of you to assume that the rest of the playerbase are with you).
Idk why you're taking it so hard on my reply to someone else's post. Firstly, a noob particularly refers to somebody who is inexperienced in a profession or activity. Nothing's wrong with that, everyone start from a noob, even I myself too. Just because you can't handle a SSH shotgun in one way doesn't mean you can't approach it in another combat style. And seeing from your post in which you mentioned you refused to try (which is quite stubborn of you), what other terms can I still refer you to other than being a noob? Secondly, no need of you to show interest in my life, tyvm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amers
These shotguns are very balanced
He always takes it to hard when his suggestion are shit and being pointed out, it is what it is. Cringe guy, cringe suggestions, stuck in the past. He started flamed me aswell for not agreeing with his dumbass suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Platform
On topic: Just let them be where they are, 2 bullets, if ur good u know how to handle em
remove snipers first then talk to me about sgs.
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This was the shotguns in GunZ: The Duel. Notice 2 clips and 3 clips. Not really a “meta” change. More like back to roots of how the game was originally made. Before this update I got shit on by only the Lb and LBX which obviously shows they’re broke. Hell complained about it literally in the 3rd sentence how they’ve been nerfed. Now everyone is using different guns for once. Because of the slight nerfs and the introduction back to 2 clip and 3 clip sgs. The balance is there. Just gotta change your playstyle a little. Keep in mind these are the original guns for bounty’s only. Not even including the pay to win shotguns. So take that into consideration also.
Indeed. 2 clip and 3 clip shotguns used to exist and their damage was way above the damage of all other shotguns at that time. So 2 clip and 3 clip sgs are nothing new, just new for FGunZ. However, we were planning to increase the delay of the 2/3/(4) clip shotguns to improve the balance for the upcoming update. As far as I know the ones that need an increased delay the most are the 3 clip sgs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan
Good old MK II. <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan
In my opinion, I think adding these guns are a step towards the wrong direction. It further penalizes attacking and gives more reason to just play defensively. The most efficient way to play has always been to just hide behind something and wait for your opponent to get close so you can pb. Especially in TDMs, this is simply playing smart. But with the existence of 2 shot kills, it's starting to feeling sillier and sillier to do a dance just to try and get close only for your opponent with decent aim to walk out and shoot you down with two shots. The effort needed to get a kill by rushing is already significantly higher vs the effort needed to get a kill by hiding and yet 12 damage shotguns still seem to exclusively favor the latter.
It just feels like the goal when adding the guns is to punish kstyle play and incentivize hit-and-run strategies. Especially with how much reloading is necessary for 2 bullets, SSH players are always gonna be hiding somewhere to reload. Increasing delay isn't even going to help much because the most important shots are the first two which can bypass the delay with an rs. Sure you can always just "gitgud" but why is it always the case that people who prefer the normal kstyle meta have to always be the ones to get better and better just so they can have fun?
Instead of adding delays, maybe do something with the weapon weight? So that you can only equip one SH/SSH and the other shotgun has to be L, or if you want two SSH you have to sacrifice some armor so you can be a glass canon. I don't know, personally I'd rather just do away with them.
After reading this post a few days ago, I was curious and went to training to test out the damage. Although you are correct about SHs and SSHs being able to 2 shot, this is at an incredibly close range and dependent on armor stat. At mid range, SHs and SSHs still required 4-5 shots which are the same amount of shots needed to kill from LBs and LBXs. The scenario that you are talking about would be super rare considering most players have super spicy shifty movement. Now if you factor in having 2-3 bullets each, the chances are even slimmer. If the person with 2 SSHs manage to frag someone from the corner with 2 shots, I believe that the likelihood of him fragging with the remaining 2 would be slim considering that he's also been compromised. After dumping the remaining 2, the person is then forced to reload both his guns.
IMO the trade off of having 11 and 12 dmg for less ammo is well balanced.
[sh] and [h] has existed throughout the entirety of gunz history, there isnt a need to remove an old concept in the game.
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the reload speed on that shotgun SHOULD NOT be the same as [s] sgs, like what the fk? how is [H] 2.0 s reload speed and [SH] is not 2.0 s? like ?? its SUPER heavy, which means it should have at least the same amount of reload speed if not more
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many players just get [ssh] and [sh] in 3v3 cws. 1 player camps with those hardcore sgs, -> u push -> 2shotted dead
while the remaining 2 players rush u, -> cant backpedal they just gang u and do 500 dmg instantly.
plz nerf we made 500 threads over this it should emphasise enough on how stupid this new meta is