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Allowing macros is simply allowing a sort of "hack", it's unfair for people who UC/OC to get banned, and macro-ers just get warned. Not in training rooms either, it serves 0 purpose in general anyway.
Maybe announce first and introduce it in a week or something, so not 100 people get banned at once.
Banning for macro? it's not sound good, a permanent warning is much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
How is that not good? Should we warn people for hitboxing too instead of banning them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faky
Gunz places a huge emphasis on its movement and how it is "difficult" to do. Having someone macro it all is quite literally cheating. We should have zero tolerance for cheaters.
There is no justification for macroing. The only reason someone would defend it, is because they're either stupid as hell, or they do it themselves. Now get the **** out of this thread.
It should depends tbh. For example:Quote:
Originally Posted by Faky
Training: No punishment.
Quest/CQ: No punishment.
TDM: Permanent warning.
Duel: Permanent warning.
Turbo: Permanent warning.
Clan Wars/Gladiator Clan Wars: Ban for 1 month.
Tournament: Ban for 3 months.
If permanent warning isn't enough, then maybe ban for 1 week.
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Originally Posted by Sinon
Let me fix that for you.
Training: Ban for 3 months.
Quest/CQ: Ban for 3 months.
TDM: Ban for 3 months.
Duel: Ban for 3 months.
Turbo: Ban for 3 months.
Clan Wars/Gladiator Clan Wars: Ban for 3 months.
Tournament: Banned for life.
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The only valid argument for macros to not be bannable would have to come from the Devs/staff saying that macro is too difficult for them to detect and thus we can not pass judgement that we are not certain about. That's quite literally the only reason I could see why macros wouldnt be bannable.
I fully agree with what you wrote, but one thing which's still controversial, in my opinion, is about training rooms. We all know you don't gain EXP in this mode so, why not allow it. However, the main problem is that there are players who take advantage of it to hunt other players, and it's either annoying or disturbing. In case a player is caught and reported for abusing Macro in training rooms on a player who didn't allow him to use it on him, a punishment should be given as well as in the other game modes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinon
I'm actually curious. Why shouldnt macroing just be flat out bannable? Is there any defence for it. Or is it just your opinion out of ignorance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Its not about XP or gaining advantage, its about the principal of allowing a hack, should be 3 month ban regardless of the mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Also, the last months people are constantly being reported for it, they dont learn anyway, might aswell remove them from the game entirely
Agree
People who got caught using macro usually ending up getting a warning. Let along they continually using macro cause not everyone can spot it. I do agree that the staff should not be tolerated to those actions cause you are right, it is sort of hacking.
I think they should be more strict with the punishment, perhaps 2 weeks ban+ depends on the situation.
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Originally Posted by Awful
Don't get me wrong. I agree that using macro should be bannable as well as using UC/OC, etc. However, if using macro would have been flatted out bannable, it might decrease the player-count per day. Sticking extremely and strictly to the rules or aggravating the rules don't bring joy for this game for sure. Also, I agree that in the last few months warnings were given incessantly but, automatic banishments are not a better solution nor the best one.Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
Nobody misses hackers, look at zoro for example🍆. I know that macros are somewhat less "impactful" than for example an OC/UC. In training rooms I get it might be fun to dash around, but, on the other hand, I strongly believe allowing hacking shouldn't be a thing, and yes, macros are simply a hack, but less harmful than an OC/UC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Why not let people enjoy macroing in training rooms as long as they're not annoying anyone? If they still annoy you even in training room, you can report them and they get punishment. No need to be so strict for no reason. Macros are already not allowed on any mode except training rooms, smh.
What u're saying is let hackers be hackers, if that's the kind of community u want, be my guest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeino
Let me change your words, the macro is not a hack, the macro is something that you can configure as part of your CPU, you can convert the hack into a macro but you cannot convert the macro into a hack, do u get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
The macro itself is prohibited, but it is enabled in training so that people can have fun using it.
A hack = a hack, don't try to soften it with tech-talk. It's giving people an unfair advantage and it's just wrong. It's like saying bhopping in csgo isn't a hack, but a macro, c'mon dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerald^
But bro its already prohibited in open rooms, what is the problem if the players use it in a training room?Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
I'll try to explain it in the most childish way I can probably come up with;Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerald^
"A hack is a hack, it shouldn't be a part of the game".
I don't think I can do any better than that.
MACRO is not a hack.Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
It's too early considering macro users as hackers, lol. You're being too strict. Everyone agrees that Macro is annoying when it comes to you, as long as you didn't allow the player to use it on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
Why would hackers use their hacks in training rooms or any other modes that they don't gain anything relevant (such as EXP, ranking)? Shotbot is a hack, it's a known thing. Once again, calling a macro "hack" is too strict. Your madness towards macro users is understandable but, calm down. There are Game Moderators who already take care of the reports which are related to it. If they find Macro as something that should be bannable, they'll change the rules accordingly. They haven't done it yet, so it seems like it's not necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
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Originally Posted by Tom
Why would hackers use their hacks in training rooms or any other modes that they don't gain anything relevant (such as EXP, ranking)?
People cheat for various reasons. One of them is to show off how good you are to people. The platform doesnt matter. It's the recognition. Some just enjoy making others suffer. There's a plethora of reasons for them to do so.
Shotbot is a hack, it's a known thing. Once again, calling a macro "hack" is too strict.
It's a form of cheating. Cheating should have a zero tolerance for the competitive integrity of the game. Also i would like to point out that most of the hacks on gunz are and have always been made in the macro softwares like logitechs etc, since it runs in kernel and without intrusive anticheat are impossible to weed out. So by taking out the macro users we might on an accident take a few shotbotters out too. Truly a shame.
Your madness towards macro users is understandable but, calm down. There are Game Moderators who already take care of the reports which are related to it. If they find Macro as something that should be bannable, they'll change the rules accordingly. They haven't done it yet, so it seems like it's not necessary.
We are not here to discuss about whether or not the Staff is doing their job properly or not. That is not up for contention here. What we are here to discuss is whether or not the macro should be treated like the other forms of cheating we have present such as shotbot, hitbox etc.
Don't get me wrong. I agree that using macro should be bannable as well as using UC/OC, etc. However, if using macro would have been flatted out bannable, it might decrease the player-count per day. Sticking extremely and strictly to the rules or aggravating the rules don't bring joy for this game for sure. Also, I agree that in the last few months warnings were given incessantly but, automatic banishments are not a better solution nor the best one.
Try to apply that logic to anything else and you see how quickly it falls apart. "We shouldn't put criminals into prison. This might decrease the amout of people on the streets."
They are not causing any harm for using macro in training rooms so let it be as it is and deal with it I guess KappaQuote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
Why are you being so rude? behave urself, and yes macros and hacks or any advantages over normal gameplay are equal to cheat, it must be punishable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
but there are two things MISTAKE and CHOICE somewhere we have to look deep in it.
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Originally Posted by Awful
Fine, then hackers go into training rooms, ego' ing, showing off, making people suffer, and so on. 90% of the hackers' intention is to play Clan Wars or TDMs, and basically, use their hacks for something useful. Saying that hackers might annoy people in training rooms is silly. Also, why would they have any interest in receiving a banishment playing a training mode?Quote:
People cheat for various reasons. One of them is to show off how good you are to people. The platform doesnt matter. It's the recognition. Some just enjoy making others suffer. There's a plethora of reasons for them to do so.
Keep in mind that a lot of players have Macro, and they want to use it sometimes. You cannot expect the owners of this server nor the Game Moderators to ban people incessantly and eventually lose players. They assuredly find it minor enough for a banishment. If they have already found Macro as a hack, they would've banned lots of people long ago.Quote:
It's a form of cheating. Cheating should have a zero tolerance for the competitive integrity of the game. Also i would like to point out that most of the hacks on gunz are and have always been made in the macro softwares like logitechs etc, since it runs in kernel and without intrusive anticheat are impossible to weed out. So by taking out the macro users we might on an accident take a few shotbotters out too. Truly a shame.
I'm not the only one who thinks that Macro should NOT be treated the same way as Hitbox, Aimbot, Shotbot users but, it's debated, as far as you see. Also, we shall not ignore the fact that the final decision is eventually given by the staff team, according to what they find useful and beneficial to the server.Quote:
We are not here to discuss about whether or not the Staff is doing their job properly or not. That is not up for contention here. What we are here to discuss is whether or not the macro should be treated like the other forms of cheating we have present such as shotbot, hitbox etc.
How the hell you compare reality to a game? I am not even going to answer it, lmao...Quote:
Try to apply that logic to anything else and you see how quickly it falls apart. "We shouldn't put criminals into prison. This might decrease the amout of people on the streets."
Thats like saying we can use godmode and lawnmower hacks in training rooms cause they arent getting exp anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
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AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Awful
How the hell you compare reality to a game? I am not even going to answer it, lmao...
-First and foremost it's called a hyperbole, look it up. I am pointing out a logical flaw in the argument.
Fine, then hackers go into training rooms, ego' ing, showing off, making people suffer, and so on. 90% of the hackers' intention is to play Clan Wars or TDMs, and basically, use their hacks for something useful. Saying that hackers might annoy people in training rooms is silly. Also, why would they have any interest in receiving a banishment playing a training mode?
-Oh no with your logical set they wouldn't get banished, but they would receive a warning.
Keep in mind that a lot of players have Macro, and they want to use it sometimes. You cannot expect the owners of this server nor the Game Moderators to ban people incessantly and eventually lose players. They assuredly find it minor enough for a banishment. If they have already found Macro as a hack, they would've banned lots of people long ago.
-Keep in mind that Macro has always been against the rules. What we are debating is about the punishment. And we are quite literally contesting their assesment and waiting for a reply from anyone in the staff team to elaborate their position. This is a suggestion, and we are 100% at the staffs mercy here. But we have the right to apply our case to the jury.
I'm not the only one who thinks that Macro should NOT be treated the same way as Hitbox, Aimbot, Shotbot users but, it's debated, as far as you see. Also, we shall not ignore the fact that the final decision is eventually given by the staff team, according to what they find useful and beneficial to the server.
-The staff still hasn't put their two cents in. It is a suggestion, and they have every right to do whatever the f*** they please with it. But we can atleast try. And I can see you're debating for the first time, yes. And I'm trying to point out how all of your opinions are unfounded in logic. Thus rendering them all worthless in my eyes.
Why not let people enjoy hacking in training rooms as long as they are not annoying annoyingQuote:
Originally Posted by Zeino
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Gunz is 15+ years old i dont think its too earlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom
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The MISTAKE is using a macro. The CHOICE is choosing one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faky
There is a HUGE difference between using a Godemode and Macro. You and some others consider Macro as a hack, but there are people like me who don't. Stop comparing Macro to different hacks because this discussion will never end nor will have any solution. The main point of this thread is if Macro users should be banned as well as shotbot and hitbox users.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shang
To make it clear, using hacks in training room isn't allowed and we all know that - It's not allowed at all. Using Macro in training rooms is also punishable as long as you didn't allow the certain player to use it. You're ignoring the main details, and the request of "banning macro users" will never be accepted. Once again, the staff team definitely prefers players more than worthless rules and regulations that have zero significance and that is legitimate.
Tell me what u mean with certain players please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Also tell me what is a hack. I would like to know why you're qualified to evaluate what qualifies as a hack or notQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom
What a difference of opinions on this.
First of all, no, macro can't be considered as a hack. Hack is way too different to this, it's stupid call it as a hack. Now, depending on the game it can be considering as cheating, and here's where Gunz enter. Yeah, this is mostly cheating, but actually i don't think these should be considered as hard as a REAL hack. In pvp i understand it should be bannable (and more if we talk about tournaments and cws), but i don't get exactly why in the non-pvp modes it should be too.
Macros in Training Rooms: No gives exp for kill, neither gives a reward for anything. And if the reason is ego, when the player go to play pvp he can get banned and he'll stand as the ridiculous guy who ego using macro. And even if he doesn't use macro in pvp but else ego in training rooms, ppl will 1v1 him and he will also end as the guy who used macro for ego in training rooms. So no, in anything it won't be annoying (if they spam it into someone it can be reported, so this can't be a problem for macro in training rooms).
Macros in Quest/CQ: I'll explain it easy, It's useless af. I've seen many times how ppl use macro in quest and most of the time dies, so macro in quest doesn't give an adventage or anything else.
In the rest of modes i'm agreed on it should be bannable.
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Originally Posted by Awful
The suggestion which you're presenting has no logic. I'll summarize and say that considering Macro as a hack will damage the server by any possible standpoint and we all know that. Stop acting like a dumbass and ignoring the main details. Also, if every macro user will be considered as a hacker/cheater and his account will be permanently banned, then you'll lose active players, donators and more. Read this: https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...their-accounts .
agreed make this a bannable offensive
If someone is really interested to show you off using his Macro, and you didn't allow him, then it is punishable. People were already reported for that in the past and still reported for this nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shang
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I would like YOU to tell us what is a hack since you're comparing Macro to any other hack that exist over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
Better get less active players than cheaters/ hackers in fgunz. It's either lose players by banning them for cheating/ hacking or losing players by quitting the game because of the cheaters/ hackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal...28sociology%29 You might learn something today buddy. Read that and understand why it isn't harmlessQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinon
First of all, no, macro can't be considered as a hack. Hack is way too different to this, it's stupid call it as a hack. Now, depending on the game it can be considering as cheating, and here's where Gunz enter. Yeah, this is mostly cheating, but actually i don't think these should be considered as hard as a REAL hack.
-Okay so lets be really fair here, I'll give it to you macroing isnt hacking. Most shotbots arent hacks. They're just cheats.
The server had already learned from the past. Being too strict and giving mutes/warnings to every newbie that doesn't know the rules, that's what made the player-count low in the last few years. For example, requiring F11 replays for every report which is related to a harasser/flamer shows the improvement of the server's actions, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shang
Anything that gives you an unfair advantage in FG should be punishable, but not instantly bannable, in my opinion
I completely understand the warning system that is in place - If you warn them, they may stop - but if they don't & it does result in more evidence against the player, then yeah, I feel they should be banned for 'X' amount of time (say 14 days?), and if they come back after this ban and continue to do it - lifetime ban.
I feel there should never be players able to abuse the system for their own gain, as the game has always been about "skill" - using something created by a 3rd party isn't skill.. its abuse.
While I agree with most of what you said. You should be held responsible for your own actions. You cant accidentally macro in gunz. You either didn't read the rules (which you agreed to) or you chose to ignore them. Either way getting banned for such actions is not excessive in my opinion. However I do not think permanent bans are really in place for first time offenders :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simba
I never said for first time offenders.. I said if they continue to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
My bad I thought you supported the warning system. I read too hastily~~Quote:
Originally Posted by Simba
Yeah in that case I entirely agree. No warning X weeks ban for first time. And next time baibai 3-6 months
The server hasn't learned a damn thing. We have never been strict if I'm completely honest here. We are giving hackers and cheaters multiple chances because ''They might've learned their lessons now''. We all know who I mean by saying this, but he is not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Are u kidding right? Shotbot is soooo different from macro. As i said, macro can't be considered as a hack because it's different, and with this i mean that Macro was made for the mouses and for x games. In these games macro isn't even considered as a cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
Now, shotbot should be programmed for each game, and the guy who makes it upload it to internet or he keeps it for himself. Shotbot even modify the game itself for give u adventage, while macro all what does is fastly press any key automatically and at any order, it doesn't modify the game for gives u adventage. And all hacks are like this, they all modify ur game for gives u adventage, like aimbot, shotbot, x-ray, etc.
Of course, the way that macro can be used could give u adventage, but that already have a punishment in pvp, and if y'all want you guys can suggest to give a better punishment for players that use macros in pvp (or annoy ppl in training rooms).
I support the warning system, in the form of:Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
1st offence: warning
2nd offence: 14 day ban
3rd offence: permanent ban
Similar to the way Riot do their "toxicity system"
- You get a chat ban, then a 14 day ban & if you still don't learn, your account is locked for 100 years.
did u even read all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shang
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Originally Posted by Shang
Want it even more bigger for u can read?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinon
I cant see red text, u can make it as big as u like =]Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinon
And there is not better punishment. Banning is perfect :]
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Originally Posted by Sinon
Are u kidding right? Shotbot is soooo different from macro. As i said, macro can't be considered as a hack because it's different, and with this i mean that Macro was made for the mouses and for x games. In these games macro isn't even considered as a cheat.
1. Most shotbots dont modify the code of the game at all. And thus arent hacks but rather cheats.
Now, shotbot should be programmed for each game, and the guy who makes it upload it to internet or he keeps it for himself. Shotbot even modify the game itself for give u adventage, while macro all what does is fastly press any key automatically and at any order, it doesn't modify the game for gives u adventage. And all hacks are like this, they all modify ur game for gives u adventage, like aimbot, shotbot, x-ray, etc.
Refer to point one (1)
2. All a shotbot does is press a key when a certain parameter is fulfilled.
Of course, the way that macro can be used could give u adventage, but that already have a punishment in pvp, and if y'all want you guys can suggest to give a better punishment for players that use macros in pvp (or annoy ppl in training rooms).
3. There's a thing called normalization. If you were a player and you saw people using hacks all the time you would start doing it too even outside of those rooms. This is what happened with ijji during the Witch era. Everyone started cheating and literally killed the server.
i cba to proofread anything at this point. I'ma just let it all out kk
Why would you allow macro's in Quest/CQ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinon
Because he does it himself. That's why he's on the edge. all the challengequest merits are about to go out the window nowQuote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
I know that macro's would benefit himself since he is a quester, just want to hear a good logical reason why he thinks it should be okay to macro in quest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
tell how it can give advantage there? because all the time i've seen someone macro on quest he dies. And if the answer is stuck the boss with speedy dagger, that can be done even w/o macro if u have perfect timing.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephanM
Why it shouldn't be allowed in training rooms? That's just silly. As long as the player is not annoying you with it, as in slashing you etc, then you shouldn't get a say in this.
Also it is allowed in some events by some hosts... 😶
I've read most of the posts.
I don't know the current rules FGunZ enforces regarding macroing but..
Apart from training rooms, macros should not be allowed, TDM/CW/Quest/Events (etc).
I believe people who abuse taunt/laugh/cry macro should be allowed only on training room and if someone asks you to stop, do it, else > warning..
I'm not gonna mute my sound because retard decided to spam his macro to piss off other players.
That's all pretty much.
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Originally Posted by Sinon
Probably doing some macroblock or make him follows you while you're macro dashing it
Because of human nature. If something is ever present it becomes normal. Thus you wouldn't even question doing it outside of the room. It's what happened on ijji with Witch hacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenax
So why are they using macros in CQ/Quest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinon
I think that makes sense the most to me, doesn't apply to training rooms of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simba
Just warn those macro-ing in rooms that is not training room, but make it so that even in training room as long as you're being targetted/annoyed you can report and get the person warn. Other than that, the punishment system should stay the same or you could +2 warning for every single offense or report.
Don't need to be so triggered by it.
for dashing i doubt, unless u make the perfect macro for dodge bosses, stun npcs, and attacks at the same time i don't see it working. Now macroblock i guess u mean a macro for block sword? If i'm right then why u even would use a macro for that? lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerald^
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Ask them lol. Maybe they thinks this program can works in quest and they try it or idk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shang
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Originally Posted by Simba
Tbh, that will not help, I don't understand why are you kind to the hackers, we know that if you keep giving them opportunities, for example, 4 warnings, they will continue hacking the server or they could even sell the hack codes, if you catch someone hacking give them ban at once. if you are going to wait for 4 warnings, they will probably continue hacking and there will be more possibilities that it never stops.
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The macroblock has lower delay, it means that you can block 3 times in a roll while without it you block once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinon
I just see it just useful in a few cases where 3 are in front u and attack in different times, but again normally one block save u from this, just in the rare case where the npcs/bosses attack in different times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerald^
A warning to all of you. If you can't stay on topic, if you can't give a serious response then don't post at all, I don't care if you think it's a funny post or not. If you troll or spam then you will get an infraction.
Open your eyes, Simba.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simba
This is not FGunZ 2009 when we had 800 players online on a regular basis.
If the warnings change, they should be as follow;
1st strike - account warning.
2nd strike - second account warning.
3rd strike - temporarily ban of 3~5 days (up to GM's to decide) - this will surely prevent them from abusing again, trust me.
4th strike - account warning / temp. ban of 7 days.
5th strike - account ban.
You can't have a warning system as the one you suggested, it will clear the player count base and you don't want to do that with the current player count we have.
Don't use unfair advantages in games then. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeGFX
You cannot expect those people who abuse macro that are around 14 years old that barely speak English to enforce the rules but receiving a temp. ban after people warn him in-game for it will surely give him more sense than the one you said, 14 days ban - this will make him quit, I assure you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simba
Let him quit then? I'd rather have a trustworthy player base.. why would you want to play a game where people use cheats/hacks/any form of an advantage, that is outside of their given skill?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeGFX
Just baffles me that people are so quick to defend a form of cheating in a game that requires you to practice..
Ok so, basically what u're saying aswell is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Camel
1st UC: warning
2nd UC: 14 days ban
3rd UC: perm ban
Wether or not YOU think it's a hack, it's a code to give you an advantage over others, what else is there to explain? It's like CS:GO, wallhacking would be a ban, but bunnyhopscripting would be "oh it's ur 1st time, only a warning".
Perhaps change the warning system to one of points like on forum, 10 points=temp ban, 15=perma ban and a standard warning issued would be 3 points, whereas a macro one would be 6-7.
Harsher punishments for harsher crimes. Also, let players lose 1 warning point every month of being clean.
I dont think you should be handing out bans though. We dont have the playerbase to support this course of action.
If you want a player base full of people that cheat and "get a warning".. sure..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
I'd rather honestly have a lower player base of people that play legit, thats what makes the game fun, for me at least
If people don't take heed of the warning and continue to macro, thats on them. Letting people continuously "get away" with cheating is just gonna bring more of them to the server.. then we'll be 200+ daily with most of them cheating, because a slap on the wrist won't make them stop.. you have to set an example.
Keep cheating after you were warned, you lose the privilege to enjoy playing the game. That's on the individual.
I dont think you understood my suggestion. Do any sort of cheat (that isnt flaming/spamming cause this isnt what this suggestion is about), and youre very close to being perma banned. Not to mention, youll have to wait a whole month without getting punished again to lose the 'warning point' i suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simba
There is no need to set an example in a small community where almost everyone are interconnected.
as of now macroing doesnt get you insta banned and most of the playerbase isnt cheating. we also dont have 200+ players daily. i dont see your problem?Quote:
then we'll be 200+ daily with most of them cheating, because a slap on the wrist won't make them stop..
I actually think its you that doesn't understand what I'm getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
If you allow cheaters to play on the server, more cheaters will come RESULTING in the 200+ players.. WHEN THEY COME!
If you don't want the punishment, don't cheat. Simple as that.
rules have been the same for years. if we dont have 200+ players because cheating is allowed yet, we wont have them. my suggestion was to make punishment harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simba
Whoever makes the final call regarding this just needs to ask himself one question: Do I want a game full of hackers or not? If the answer is no, you ban the people using 3rd party stuff, if yes, move this suggestion to declined.
so if i get this straight, you want a change to happen (instant banning of 3rd party users) that would result in a change for the game (game wont be full of hackers), when the change you are expecting to get is already in place (game isnt full of hackers)?Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
https://i.imgur.com/aVLvWtF.png , that's why the report section is full of reports about people who constantly macro, amirite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
Anyways, I doubt this discussion will lead further than u bunch of people who agree and those who don't, I think enough has been said about this and it's up to whoever it is making the final call.
Since 2020 has started (which is when you would probably want to look at the statistics for macro reports to support your argument, doesnt matter to me), 5 and a half months ago, there have been 10 reports on macros, 5 of which were declined. I dont find these numbers concerning, giving a warning once a month regarding macro, and I DEFEINITELY do not consider the server to be "full of hackers" as youve stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
If you wanna take a look at what happened during 2019 sure, but ull find more that supports my argument.
''because of human nature'' that's literally not an argument on a game, lol. they allowed the usage of macro in training room for YEARS, I don't see the people who macro in training room, abusing it in regular rooms!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Awful
the warning system is just fine, people who abuse it = punished.
but to forbid it totally, it's just silly.
like i said, some hosts USE it in events even!
Requesting lock until someone with brains can answer. This became a thankfestQuote:
Originally Posted by Bunny
Oh yes you see that all the time. You see people using the taunt macro in TDMS Clan Wars etc. There's no reason to doubt that they macro other stuff too. Because you allow some, they move from there to the other sections and wreak havoc. And anyone enabling such behaviours should be applicable to damages as well. Such as getting a warning or having their account temporarily suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenax
posting a suggestion and requesting lock because youre afraid of what people who are against your suggestion have to say :(.Quote:
Originally Posted by CEvangelista
Hi,
I totally agree that macroing in public rooms (any game mode which gives you EXP) should be bannable, so going forward the punishments will be as it shows below.
1st time caught - Warning
2nd time caught - 3 day ban
3rd time caught - 7 day ban
4th time caught - 2 weeks ban
5th time caught - 1 to 3 month ban
Note: These bans will be IP-bans which also bans the HWID of the account so they will not be able to login with another account during their ban.
For now we will still allow players to macro in training rooms without annoying any other player.
We will review this again in a few months.