Religion.

This debate is about all the religions that try to make everyone go to their religion.


Right or Wrong..?





My opinion on it right now is in this image.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...isreligion.jpg

Right XD

1st 2nd and 4th one are true in my opinion 3rd can be argued....

i agreee.
religion has caused many wars and genocide in the past.

My thought;

1. Keep religion to yourself.
2. Don't make religion public.

1 i like lolly's
2.rainbow Religon.

religion will ensue the fall of humanity. that's my take on it.

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Originally Posted by TwisT

religion will ensue the fall of humanity. that's my take on it.

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it already has on many occasions, just not all over the world.

I wonder what Drug they took back then :D
But on a other note, the Bible (for example) is a collection of Storys.
What bunch of weirdos is so nuts to belive in a story?
Thats like me creating a religion about dragonball caus ive read the mangas ...

Anyhow, Religion is something that gives hope and strength, but freakin leave me alone with it ...
In germany theres a Church Tax ... that says it all ...

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

I wonder what Drug they took back then :D
But on a other note, the Bible (for example) is a collection of Storys.
What bunch of weirdos is so nuts to belive in a story?
Thats like me creating a religion about dragonball caus ive read the mangas ...

Anyhow, Religion is something that gives hope and strength, but freakin leave me alone with it ...
In germany theres a Church Tax ... that says it all ...

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Stories that are virtually a guide to leading a good life.

I have no issues with any religion and I don't see why people have to go around hating on them. If its true, gratz to them. If its false then gratz to the non-believers. All in all Religion is necessary regardless if you believe in them or not.

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

Stories that are virtually a guide to leading a good life.

I have no issues with any religion and I don't see why people have to go around hating on them. If its true, gratz to them. If its false then gratz to the non-believers. All in all Religion is necessary regardless if you believe in them or not.

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wait wut. why is religion necessary?

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Originally Posted by TwisT

wait wut. why is religion necessary?

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Do some research...

People fear gods and doing anything that would upset them/him scares the shit outta people. The idea of going to hell is better then any laws you can have. Virtually religion keeps people from going around doing what they want. If the idea of any sort of afterlife was not introduced imagine what kinda of life people would live. I can almost guarantee that with out any religions the would would be alot more chaotic and filled with alot more death. Alot of churches go around helping 3rd world places and the homeless yet people wanna talk shit about em'.

People's idea about religion are based on what a few people have shown them. Not all religion is bad and tries to shove it down your throat. I know alot of churches around here go to mission trips to feed the homeless and provide medical care to South America and Africa.

Religions have been around a lil after the beginning of man. Gods and Goddesses, real or fake, struck fear into the people that believed in them. Higher laws then any man could create and all for the purpose of living a good life. However religions have changed due to technology but the principals stay the same. Live a good life and go to a better afterlife and lead a bad life and go to a worse after life. Knowing this fact, again regardless of what you believe, religion does hold people from committing certain acts as a whole.

Religion, in my opinion, is necessary for the human race to survive. May the religion be aggressive about spreading or passive, the ultimate achievement is holding us together as a whole. You guys, from what I have read, are basing your views on extremists. Extremists can go to hell in my opinion, and that goes for anything. Anyone who trys to force anyone onto any idea or thing sets a bad example for everyone they are in cahoots with. I view religion, as a whole, a good thing

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

Do some research...

People fear gods and doing anything that would upset them/him scares the shit outta people. The idea of going to hell is better then any laws you can have. Virtually religion keeps people from going around doing what they want. If the idea of any sort of afterlife was not introduced imagine what kinda of life people would live. I can almost guarantee that with out any religions the would would be alot more chaotic and filled with alot more death. Alot of churches go around helping 3rd world places and the homeless yet people wanna talk shit about em'.

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but a deterrent isn't necessary D: why not just use an incentive like the majority searching for higher intelligence and resorting to logic? also no faith is necessary.. in fact, it's futile :P yay people don't get to do what they want. not all people want to kill,rape,etc. and just because u do something good doesn't mean it cancels out the bad. =/ a recent questionnaire was taken by some magazine which name escapes me... saying that christians get an F in their own religion. it wasn't only christians though, it was all religions. as in... people who weren't religiously orientated actually knew more about the their own religion than religious people themselves. so this would imply that the more people find out about religion, the more likely they are to convert to agnosticism or atheism. the only reason im against religion is because it causes more people to be ignorant of facts that they CHOOSE, CHOOSE, CHOOSE, CHOOSE, not to believe.

religion is a plague to all it's countless victims in my eyes, i'm sorry if this offended anyone but it's just the way i think.

Nice picture.
Nice try.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Originally Posted by TwisT

but a deterrent isn't necessary D: why not just use an incentive like the majority searching for higher intelligence and resorting to logic? also no faith is necessary.. in fact, it's futile :P yay people don't get to do what they want. not all people want to kill,rape,etc. and just because u do something good doesn't mean it cancels out the bad. =/ a recent questionnaire was taken by some magazine which name escapes me... saying that christians get an F in their own religion. it wasn't only christians though, it was all religions. as in... people who weren't religiously orientated actually knew more about the their own religion than religious people themselves. so this would imply that the more people find out about religion, the more likely they are to convert to agnosticism or atheism. the only reason im against religion is because it causes more people to be ignorant of facts that they CHOOSE, CHOOSE, CHOOSE, CHOOSE, not to believe.

religion is a plague to all it's countless victims in my eyes, i'm sorry if this offended anyone but it's just the way i think.

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Twist, not every one shares the same logical thoughts. Im assuming you live in the E.U.,
correct?

Oh, on another note.

Most of the worlds smartest people have had religious view. Einstein, Edison, Franklin... etc. You can still be very intelligent and have views on a higher power. I do believe you argument on intellectuality is invalid, along with logic.

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

Twist, not every one shares the same logical thoughts. Im assuming you live in the E.U., correct?

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Tennessee, USA. how come?:O

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Originally Posted by TwisT

Tennessee, USA. how come?:O

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Nvm, read my update.

Read this.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/..._religion.html

Russell Howard made that statement if I remember right, don't know, but yeah, religion is only good if your not a retard. Thats the best thing I can say, because if you don't understand the religion your actually believing in there's really no point to it, and your bound to either say something or do something stupid, theres a perfect video for this that someone called sxephil covered yesterday, which was that a protest was being held for a unborn baby in the mothers womb which had a rare case of a disease, which is 1 in a million chance of happening and the baby has a 0% survival rate, the couple went to the abortion clinic and people we're actually saying that she was blaspheming against god as they we're going to abort an unborn child that was bound to die and make them suffer for 5 more months, thats the sort of retarded thing you shouldn't do with your religion.

Sum of this thread, if your going to believe in a religion, understand that religion and then keep it to yourself in not shared with another believer, because anyone else doesn't believe your religion for their reasons.

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

Nvm, read my update.

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k let me reply to ur updates :>

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

People's idea about religion are based on what a few people have shown them. Not all religion is bad and tries to shove it down your throat. I know alot of churches around here go to mission trips to feed the homeless and provide medical care to South America and Africa.

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but nitro, just because a few people do something out of fear, does not mean that is the solution. if they do it out of love, then im glad. u don't need the acceptance of god to be nice though=/ but all in all, there will always be generally good and bad people, even if stats show there are more than the other, each person has the capacity to change, and we always do :P

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

Religions have been around a lil after the beginning of man. Gods and Goddesses, real or fake, struck fear into the people that believed in them. Higher laws then any man could create and all for the purpose of living a good life. However religions have changed due to technology but the principals stay the same. Live a good life and go to a better afterlife and lead a bad life and go to a worse after life. Knowing this fact, again regardless of what you believe, religion does hold people from committing certain acts as a whole.

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invalid arguement. not all people are scared of god, most in fact, describe their god as loving or close to their heart. but they start to mix up love, fear, and respect. respect or acceptance through fear obviously isn't the right one. therefore they attempt to mask that feeling by doing something good otherwise. but im not religious and i've helped many people.. i think a lot of people that know me would agree that im a pretty nice person. so why is religion necessary to live a good life? principles can be taught without fairy tales=/

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

Religion, in my opinion, is necessary for the human race to survive. May the religion be aggressive about spreading or passive, the ultimate achievement is holding us together as a whole. You guys, from what I have read, are basing your views on extremists. Extremists can go to hell in my opinion, and that goes for anything. Anyone who trys to force anyone onto any idea or thing sets a bad example for everyone they are in cahoots with. I view religion, as a whole, a good thing

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it only takes one extremist to ruin it for all of us. : see "Hitler" : we need water, air, sexual reproduction, and food to survive as a human race, let's not make it anything more than that please >< if people CHOOSE to stay together as a race, instead of through religion, then maybe we would be even stronger. if we stay the way we are now, people will never come together. imo, also darwins hehe, is that religion is geographical. so if i were born in america i'd be christian, and i was, and if i was born in iraq, i'd be muslim. asia, buddhist, etc. because we all have different religions a MAJORITY of the population of each continent does in fact come together under a meshed culture. but what about wars? how do we come together as a world? under 1 religion? that's highly unlikely..

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Oh, on another note.

Most of the worlds smartest people have had religious view. Einstein, Edison, Franklin... etc. You can still be very intelligent and have views on a higher power. I do believe you argument on intellectuality is invalid, along with logic.

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there are also many smart people that aren't religious... invalid argument. im not saying no religion=OMG SO SMART NOW. although, it eventually will lead to a urning for more knowledge of how we came to be or at least a more logical outcome. instead of having faith or hope into something that doesn't exist. ei spaghetti monster argument


once again im sorry if this has offended anyone, these are just my beliefs.

TL;DR, LOLOL at James trying to sound all smart :D ATHEISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Weredeer

TL;DR, LOLOL at James trying to sound all smart :D ATHEISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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its funny cuz... im not using big words. INB4 IM 14 HUSH. :D KEKEKE. also, no capitalz, spell chekz. OWNTED.

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Originally Posted by ~Firebrand~

Russell Howard made that statement if I remember right, don't know, but yeah, religion is only good if your not a retard. Thats the best thing I can say, because if you don't understand the religion your actually believing in there's really no point to it, and your bound to either say something or do something stupid, theres a perfect video for this that someone called sxephil covered yesterday, which was that a protest was being held for a unborn baby in the mothers womb which had a rare case of a disease, which is 1 in a million chance of happening and the baby has a 0% survival rate, the couple went to the abortion clinic and people we're actually saying that she was blaspheming against god as they we're going to abort an unborn child that was bound to die and make them suffer for 5 more months, thats the sort of retarded thing you shouldn't do with your religion.

Sum of this thread, if your going to believe in a religion, understand that religion and then keep it to yourself in not shared with another believer, because anyone else doesn't believe your religion for their reasons.

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“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” - Albert Einstein.


Yea, that pretty much goes with what I said. Some people take it to far, a.k.a. extremist, and give a bad rep for the rest. The greatly shadow the good deeds certain religions carry out.

Buddhism FTW!


Anyway here are my final thoughts:

Is religion true or false? No one can prove or provide a significant proof or argument to make one side true and one side false. People can provide intelligent arguments on either side but there have been some stories in the bible that have been proven. Not the story word for word but the even that was depicted in the bible. This also depends on which religion your talking about. Saying one religion is wrong is virtually saying every other one is wrong also, seeing as how they all virtually stand for the same principals.

Is religion "good" or "bad"? It depends on who you ask and what has happened to them in the past with certain religions. I personally view it "good" over all. Yes, there are some extremists who ruin the rep for everyone in that religion but extremists are usually unintelligent anyway.

This is mainly for modern day religions. I also don't hold Buddhism as a religion frankly becasue they don't really worship a God. Buddhism is the best "religion" in my opinion and frankly I wish I could truly follow that path.

@Twist
Pretty much what your saying is that Religion is a disability. Believing in something is ultimately going to make you less intelligent. Based on your arguments I can tell you don't know much about religions or the people who follow them. I can also tell that your not very open minded at all. This is not a "diss" or a "hate" but observations. I'm personally agnostic and haven't committed to a religion however I don't disbelieve in anything. However, most of the intelligent people, compassionate people, caring, less self centered people around where I live are Christians. My girlfriend is Christan and shes the sweetest woman alive. I would go as far as to say she has me beat in intelligence and she don't shove any of her views down my throat.

I guess it depends on where you live and who you talk with that shapes your independent view on something. I personally am so open minded I can entertain any idea or argument with out instantly dismissing it.

THere is only one thing I do hate about religion, and that the general idea that it should make you feel good, I know people need what they need to feel safe or at least good about there selves, but I'm an atheist and still feel that way, I can understand if you've taken that lifestyle, I just don't agree with it.

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THere is only one thing I do hate about religion, and that the general idea that it should make you feel good, I know people need what they need to feel safe or at least good about there selves, but I'm an atheist and still feel that way, I can understand if you've taken that lifestyle, I just don't agree with it.

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Ehh' I see to much good in most religions to where I can't comfortably say they are bad.

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

Ehh' I see to much good in most religions to where I can't comfortably say they are bad.

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Each to his own.

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Originally Posted by ~Firebrand~

Each to his own.

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Then again its easier to see then negative then the positive. I guess im an exception.

Einstein was on LSD, Dimethyl-triptimene (DMT), and was believed to be addicted to cocaine. i don't trust that foo as far as the hair on the side of his grows out diagonally.

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@Twist
Pretty much what your saying is that Religion is a disability. Believing in something is ultimately going to make you less intelligent. Based on your arguments I can tell you don't know much about religions or the people who follow them. I can also tell that your not very open minded at all. This is not a "diss" or a "hate" but observations. I'm personally agnostic and haven't committed to a religion however I don't disbelieve in anything. However, most of the intelligent people, compassionate people, caring, less self centered people around where I live are Christians. My girlfriend is Christan and shes the sweetest woman alive. I would go as far as to say she has me beat in intelligence and she don't shove any of her views down my throat.

I guess it depends on where you live and who you talk with that shapes your independent view on something. I personally am so open minded I can entertain any idea or argument with out instantly dismissing it.

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MATCH THE COLORS :>
everyone sees themselves as open minded because it's good to be open minded and people love to think highly of themselves. also the text you wrote in red above is very hypocritical.

if you don't disbelieve in anything how can you believe in anything? that is a huge oxymoron and possibly a double negative O_o. if you mean you're indecisive or neutral then say so, silly.

another hypocritical remark... the fact that you argued against me shows that, actually. you can't "entertain" an argument without dismissing it as false other wise you're just providing straw-man arguments... idk where ur head is sometimes bro :P

final words as well?:o
know what nitro? i agree with you. i would choose to be agnostic because there's no actual way of knowing. we can have proof, we can have intelligent arguments, we can kill leach other over religious land. but in the end no one knows. if this plague wasn't here i'd be agnostic myself. until it's gone, i remain an atheist soldier.

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Einstein was on LSD, Dimethyl-triptimene (DMT), and was believed to be addicted to cocaine. i don't trust that foo as far as the hair on the side of his grows out diagonally.




MATCH THE COLORS :>
everyone sees themselves as open minded because it's good to be open minded and people love to think highly of themselves. also the text you wrote in red above is very hypocritical. You can't disprove the remarks I claimed on my self because I can prove you wrong all day.

if you don't disbelieve in anything how can you believe in anything? that is a huge oxymoron and possibly a double negative O_o. if you mean you're indecisive or neutral then say so, silly.

another hypocritical remark... the fact that you argued against me shows that, actually. you can't "entertain" an argument without dismissing it as false other wise you're just providing straw-man arguments... idk where ur head is sometimes bro :P

final words as well?:o
know what nitro? i agree with you. i would choose to be agnostic because there's no actual way of knowing. we can have proof, we can have intelligent arguments, we can kill leach other over religious land. but in the end no one knows. if this plague wasn't here i'd be agnostic myself. until it's gone, i remain an atheist soldier.

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Not going to read it. I don't know much about religion to give a signifficant argument, nor do you. We might as well stop it here. Anyway, its asinine to say Religion will be the downfall of man. The answer to that my friend is greed.

TwisT is that really true? How come they don't mention that about him.

P.S I didn't read anything other than the first sentence, so don't mind me.

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Originally Posted by NitroAnon

Not going to read it. I don't know much about religion to give a signifficant argument, nor do you. We might as well stop it here. Anyway, its asinine to say Religion will be the downfall of man. The answer to that my friend is greed.

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the funny thing is.. i kind of predicted you wouldn't....>_> owell
edit: also don't assume just because u don't know something, someone else doesn't. it isn't kind man D:, it isn't kind. :<

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TwisT is that really true? How come they don't mention that about him.

P.S I didn't read anything other than the first sentence, so don't mind me.

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yeah its true, google that shiz :D

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the funny thing is.. i kind of predicted you wouldn't....>_> owell

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Why would I? Nothing you can say will change my mind. You are no different for the some odd thousands who are close minded. Believe it or not you share a lot in common with some major Jesus freaks. Again we both are ignorant on the subject so we should just shut up. I do find your view a tad unique and somewhat funny. *not in a mocking way though*

I just wish you could spend a day with my International Affairs teacher. He is amazing at arguing both sides of any subject, which is why I love his class. You say something, regardless of if he agrees or not he can give you a great opposite argument.

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Why would I? Nothing you can say will change my mind. You are no different for the some odd thousands who are close minded. Believe it or not you share a lot in common with some major Jesus freaks. Again we both are ignorant on the subject so we should just shut up. I do find your view a tad unique and somewhat funny. *not in a mocking way though*

I just wish you could spend a day with my International Affairs teacher. He is amazing at arguing both sides of any subject, which is why I love his class. You say something, regardless of if he agrees or not he can give you a great opposite argument.

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idk, i don't want to talk about this with u anymore because ur so open minded u won't even read what i wrote that just explained that first paragraph u just wrote. u hate to be wrong and thats just the meat and potatoes of this thread.

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Do some research...

People fear gods and doing anything that would upset them/him scares the shit outta people. The idea of going to hell is better then any laws you can have. Virtually religion keeps people from going around doing what they want. If the idea of any sort of afterlife was not introduced imagine what kinda of life people would live. I can almost guarantee that with out any religions the would would be alot more chaotic and filled with alot more death. Alot of churches go around helping 3rd world places and the homeless yet people wanna talk shit about em'.

People's idea about religion are based on what a few people have shown them. Not all religion is bad and tries to shove it down your throat. I know alot of churches around here go to mission trips to feed the homeless and provide medical care to South America and Africa.

Religions have been around a lil after the beginning of man. Gods and Goddesses, real or fake, struck fear into the people that believed in them. Higher laws then any man could create and all for the purpose of living a good life. However religions have changed due to technology but the principals stay the same. Live a good life and go to a better afterlife and lead a bad life and go to a worse after life. Knowing this fact, again regardless of what you believe, religion does hold people from committing certain acts as a whole.

Religion, in my opinion, is necessary for the human race to survive. May the religion be aggressive about spreading or passive, the ultimate achievement is holding us together as a whole. You guys, from what I have read, are basing your views on extremists. Extremists can go to hell in my opinion, and that goes for anything. Anyone who trys to force anyone onto any idea or thing sets a bad example for everyone they are in cahoots with. I view religion, as a whole, a good thing

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if that is true i kill myself lol

no but seriously. religion is needed to survive? it is actually the other way around these days. for example: the pope said that using condoms is not allowed... and because of that alot of people in africa get aids DAILY. and also now in europe alot of priests and guys like that admit they touched little children (not funny) . another thing is that diffrent religions cant live together in peace (how much we try it fails everytime) wich is actually retarded if you think about it.

the world is better off without religion. but ofcourse there are always people who need lies to live a normal life.

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i agreee.
religion has caused many wars and genocide in the past.

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This.
Religion is crowd control. Sometimes it can go very wrong.

funny, god doesn't even excists in my eyes =)

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funny, god doesn't even excists in my eyes =)

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same here... is it me or are more people on the internet with all the readily-available knowledge at their hands more prone to become agnostic/atheist?

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same here... is it me or are more people on the internet with all the readily-available knowledge at their hands more prone to become agnostic/atheist?

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I disagree.

Its just that

If there would be a god, then why the hell is this world so screwed up?

why is there so many hate, why does aids and cancer even exists? why are people into drugs? why is there even drugs?

those questions, seriously... if thers a dude watching from 'above' who had the power to create this world, then why the hell did it become like this? there is no proper answer for that... don't say hes mad at us, because thats just total nonsense

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Its just that

If there would be a god, then why the hell is this world so screwed up?

why is there so many hate, why does aids and cancer even exists? why are people into drugs? why is there even drugs?

those questions, seriously... if thers a dude watching from 'above' who had the power to create this world, then why the hell did it become like this? there is no proper answer for that... don't say hes mad at us, because thats just total nonsense

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Im not saying I agree with this statement but the answer is free will.

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Its just that

If there would be a god, then why the hell is this world so screwed up?

why is there so many hate, why does aids and cancer even exists? why are people into drugs? why is there even drugs?

those questions, seriously... if thers a dude watching from 'above' who had the power to create this world, then why the hell did it become like this? there is no proper answer for that... don't say hes mad at us, because thats just total nonsense

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I find this question funny cause, if there was a god and if I was him, would I want to take care of humans 24-7 with all the crap we do?

It'd be like having one admin for WoW, I'd just imagine sh** hitting the fan, but I think I would get sick of quite alot of assholes, hell, I wouldn't want to take care of me if I was god.

I am against all religions. They only cause problems.

Geert Wilders says the islam is a threat to our country. That's the only thing I agree on with him, EVERY religion is a threat.

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Originally Posted by Beast

I am against all religions. They only cause problems.

Geert Wilders says the islam is a threat to our country. That's the only thing I agree on with him, EVERY religion is a threat.

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wow u really hate islam but here is a video on how the world will become!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/308290...ill_be_muslim/

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Originally Posted by DarkLordz

wow u really hate islam but here is a video on how the world will become!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/308290...ill_be_muslim/

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Don't talk if you don't know shit, 25% of my country is against the islam and I am not. Gtfo or I will be.

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Originally Posted by Beast

Don't talk if you don't know shit, 25% of my country is against the islam and I am not. Gtfo or I will be.

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Chill dude~ ok so its 25% thats a good thing whats worst is Jews are not allowed at ALL(100%) in south east asia. also other parts of the world.. <---good news for me.