The problem with race-type events and a possible fix.

This is not a new topic, race-type events and events where there are more or less the same winners every time are problematic and therefore some hosts limit the maximum wins in such an event to usually +3.
While this is highly unfair to the players this affects negatively due to the amount of time they had to spend (in the event itself) to get good enough, it's also unfair that those that didnt try as hard as them get to win with much less effort, because this rule used to not exist.

However, this is not the main point I would like to bring up, because it's known. The point of this debate thread is to discuss players's inability to practice for themselves outside of events, in an environment similar to the one done in an event.

I'm not sure that the hosts will ever pick up on this, but nearly every single round of lolrace nowadays ends with 1-2 people alive, one of them being the winner. I see this as a fundamental problem, because even if a limitation on the number of wins exists, it doesn't mean someone else will win, because heck, they cant even finish the map for themselves. Limiting a player that finishes's wins does nothing in this aspect.

I would like to recommend the addition of maps only allowed in the event channel aswell as ALL of the tags that were removed (for no reason) from the normal lobbies that were once available for players, so that players who wish to win race-type events can practice for themselves instead of crying to the host who initially didnt even want to limit the points, but has to because otherwise the majority would "hate" him.

As seen in the beginning of my stream, here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/526959928 (starting at the 2 minute mark)

This would allow the hosts to never limit the points, with the explanation that if a player wants to win, he should practice outside of events, as he now has the ability to.

(not to mention, adding those tags back would add once more an element to fgunz that truly makes it freestyle, and give way more options for players in every room type).

yea i agree , maps like dodgeball and race should be added to normal game rooms also tags like G and S to allow players to test things if they want or practice

Two questions.

1. Can the race map be practiced in training mode?
2. Replace the Mario map with a new map? (one where you cannot die from falling down)

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Two questions.

1. Can the race map be practiced in training mode?
2. Replace the Mario map with a new map?

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race map is not available outside of the event channel, and only staff members can create rooms there. The same goes for special tags (RTD, G0~300, S0~300, J0~300, SNO, RVO, SGO, NI, NG, NS, NC, NR..)
supermario cant be removed from race IMO, its existed there for years and it contains everything you need from a race map. More maps wouldnt hurt though (not skillmaps).

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Originally Posted by DonFire

yea i agree , maps like dodgeball and race should be added to normal game rooms also tags like G and S to allow players to test things if they want or practice

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I disagree, the event maps should be unique and only get a play in events.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

I disagree, the event maps should be unique and only get a play in events.

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that creates the problem of players complaining because other players who have been playing for years get an inherited advantage having played for a long time, and thus forcing staff members to limit the points that those players can win.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

I disagree, the event maps should be unique and only get a play in events.

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Well, I really think that these tags could be added to normal rooms. Reasons:

1. People could do their own events. Let's be honest, there's some guys that do their own events gifting cosmetic items, lucky box items or coins, and the only event (or at least the few ones I've played from them) is Last Man Standing.
2. Fun on other modes. Why not? These tags can add a fact in normal modes (of course, some of these tags should be disable on PvP modes or the majority of them). And who knows, maybe some players can make some fun event ideas by testing these tags.
3. Train events out of event channel, and get some fun with the staff. I think all can train these events, like race-type events, dodgeball and others. And ET's could bring some fun with this.

Of course I understand what you mean by giving a unique experience and fun on events, but giving these tags to the players could be something really good.

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Originally Posted by Sinon

Of course I understand what you mean by giving a unique experience and fun on events

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I agree with this, but unless the staff team is going to add something completely new (or tons of event ideas, like those i suggested), you (stephan) are not going to find anything unique in events. Unique is often discouraged which is why ets and gms that host constantly do the same 10 events, just look at the log yourself.
Thats exactly why players are complaining about the same racers every time--players dont get to play the maps and room tags themselves and so 80-90% of them cant even finish half the map.

Pls bring back roomtags game getting boring same routine no fun players end up going afk or to another game
Roomtags were amazing idk y u even removed them but i rmb the huge negative feedback when roomtags were removed...
As mentioned above players events were more fun than officials imo
Gravity should be on normal channel cause it gives unusual gameplay and more fun
Ppl can practice events and how to control themselves with higher/lower gravity/speed etc not just testing it once a week in event channel and complaining about events hosted that way
Roomtags ni ns ng nr vamp g s m f should be back at normal channel idk just give at a shot guys you wont lose anything
It will jus be fun for players

The room tags I can agree to give back to the regular channel, I was always in favor of them from the beginning.
The maps should stay the way they are. They are exclusive to the servers events and it is not needed in the main channel at all. Superflip/cyber sports both have dodgeball arenas also. I don’t see how any mode could benefit more from the maps.

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Originally Posted by Abstract

The room tags I can agree to give back to the regular channel, I was always in favor of them from the beginning.
The maps should stay the way they are. They are exclusive to the servers events and it is not needed in the main channel at all. Superflip/cyber sports both have dodgeball arenas also. I don’t see how any mode could benefit more from the maps.

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While the maps are special in the sense that initially they were only allowed in the event channel making them special and exciting, after being out for several years every player knows (especially with how frequent dodgeball for example is) what dodgeball looks like, its just another map for him and theres really nothing special about it in the sense that one would be excited to be able to play in the map. To most players that you'd ask about dodgeball for example, the map is so worn out they would be more excited to play in cybersports and superflip.

The map does however have several other purposes besides hosting the event 'Dodgeball' in it. Its currently used for about 10 other events, and also features aspects that a player cannot find in any other map, that could be interesting for purposes like turbo deathmatch, tdm, and testing options for new events (note how some of the test events currently on the test events list are done in dodgeball map and consider that players would be now able to use the map for testing purposes without needing to nag a staff member to make the room for them with specific tags).

I think the dodgeball map would be really great as a clan war map too.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

that creates the problem of players complaining because other players who have been playing for years get an inherited advantage having played for a long time, and thus forcing staff members to limit the points that those players can win.

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Replace current maps with new ones.
Gives people an equal foot.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Replace current maps with new ones.
Gives people an equal foot.

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Also a solution, but one that would require more work
Make the maps :o.o

The only solution i can think of now is to remove race event and let race map be used so that the players will practice in race map instead of going afk in town etc .doing nothing and killing each other. Or As i have seen we had a better chance ìf elunge/lunge is restricted because i observed that bunny wins most of rounds because of elunge/lunge beside the shortcuts or tricks he is doing . I know that bunny made effort to practice that lunge also but not a lot tries to do it and just ask not to host race. And if these are not good idea then just make i rules that no elunge or 3points are the highest player can win in race event x.x

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Originally Posted by LordSeventh

The only solution i can think of now is to remove race event and let race map be used so that the players will practice in race map instead of going afk in town etc .doing nothing and killing each other. Or As i have seen we had a better chance ìf elunge/lunge is restricted because i observed that bunny wins most of rounds because of elunge/lunge beside the shortcuts or tricks he is doing . I know that bunny made effort to practice that lunge also but not a lot tries to do it and just ask not to host race. And if these are not good idea then just make i rules that no elunge or 3points are the highest player can win in race event x.x

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That is false. In the most recent race event the elunge mostly slowed me down. This is because i semi consistently failed it, but had i raced normally, the outcome wouldnt have changed. a similarly skilled racer with a better elunge would have won me in that regard, and while i dislike elunge for many reasons, I dont mind it being allowed in events, and I think it should be up to the host to allow it or not.
Regardless, players have 13 unique skillmaps to play aswell as superflip. If we give them race in the normal channel, dont expect it to be a popular training room for more than a week after its initial coming to the free channel as a result of the excitement of the players. I think the maps and tags unavailable to us should be given to the free channel regardless, but not for that reason.

Also, the point of the original post in this thread is to solve the problem of hosts needing to limit wins to 3 points.

Maybe instead of wasting time practicing events you should go glad or something

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Originally Posted by Amenadiel

Maybe instead of wasting time practicing events you should go glad or something

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funny that all i do is play events and you still lost the glad tourny to us :?
let people enjoy things.