Lets talk gun control

Not sure if any of you guys know, but there was a shooting at a highschool in my county (Broward). This really hit home for me. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

The issue is whether or not guns should be given to those that just turn 18, have previous mental instabilities, all that fun stuff.
Or, go another route and actually arm teachers with practice on how to shoot a gun, for protection in their classrooms in the event of an active school shooter. Are you guys on the side of pro-gun or harder enforced gun control? Where do you believe the issue lies?

News article on stoneman douglas
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/18/us/pa...nts/index.html

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Considering we're not even 2 months into 2018 and there have already been 18 gun-related incidents at American schools in 2018, I'd say you shouldn't be giving out more guns to people so they can protect themselves (and again: possibly hurt others), but rather enforce a much much stricter gun control on the whole country and the people. But I don't think that will happen anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by McSic

Considering we're not even 2 months into 2018 and there have already been 18 gun-related incidents at American schools in 2018, I'd say you shouldn't be giving out more guns to people so they can protect themselves (and again: possibly hurt others), but rather enforce a much much stricter gun control on the whole country and the people. But I don't think that will happen anytime soon.

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What I find most disturbing in all of this is that people continue to argue and point fingers at one another, rather than actually coming together and finding some type of resolution or atleast an effort in order to prevent things like this happening. I don't like the fact that me in my last year of highschool have to actually discuss and be prepared for an active school shooter. None-the-less elementary school kids, even younger than myself, not even being able to comprehend the situation.

This is what truly makes me hate USA because this gotta be pure stupidity, to not do something about it just makes no sense to me.

First thing you hear from politicians and shit is "NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT GUN-LAWS, NOW IS THE TIME TO PRAY AND HELP THE VICTIMS", Oh go f*** yourself. Talking about gun-laws is never appropriate for those who doesn't want guns to be gone, not until one of these tragedies hits them.

I don't understand how this is acceptable, literally the only action that's taken place after these incidents are a tweet from the president with a #sad, it's f**ng pathetic.

Ban guns. You don't need them. In Sweden you can get a gun if you're in a club for over 6 months, but then you need to contact the police and inform them that you got one.
Can't get any kind of weapon you'd like either, not even remotely. They cant be modded or w/e, include over a max capacity and so on. Not to mention, it's VERY expensive, which makes it so much harder to get a gun in the first place.
I don't understand how America can't take notes from other countries like Australia who took immediate action when there was a school shooting and banned that shit.

In my opinion the best course of action now is to make the gun rules stricter, currently the state with the strictest gun laws is California, but it's still way too easy to get the license over there. Introduce a rigorous process in place for people to get the license, including mental tests and regular medical check ups to prove that the person is still mentally there to own a gun every year or so.

People that say "just ban guns" I can understand why you'd say that and the frustration behind that. But in all honestly I think it's just too difficult to do that, for so many reasons. One, simply asking the millions of American people to give up their weapons whether they be legally or illegally obtained is a bit of a stretch, people can just hide them even if a law is passed to ban guns. The idea of having a gun for protection is something that's so engrained in the mindset of the American people, it would take a few generations to fully filter out the guns and that mindset. There are many other reasons that could be mentioned.

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simply asking the millions of American people to give up their weapons whether they be legally or illegally obtained is a bit of a stretch, people can just hide them even if a law is passed to ban guns.

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That's no good excuse to not do it lmao. Most people are registered btw so they'll know if they got one or not. Their ideal of having a gun will be broken eventually, question is how far it has to go and how many has to die before they realise that. That's dem politicians needs to convince them that it's the right thing to do, right now.

None is so dumb to think that the founders thought this was ok when they signed that stupid piece of paper.

Please watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdXRRQou4qk

I personally think the age should be increased to 25. There's no reason an 18 year old male/female needs to be equipped with a gun. A knife, mace, a taser or something of that sort I'd understand, but you don't need no god damn gun at age 18, not even at 21.

Have mental health/illness disorder checks regularly done on people who wish to purchase a gun. I'd also have them go a lot more in depth with these check ups, since plenty of people can pass them and still be ****ed up in the head enough to go out and murder people. This kid in the Florida shooting is a prime example.

Also I think the only guns that should be allowed for purchase should be handguns. You don't need to be equipped with a damn assault rifle "for your own protection." I know plenty of my friends who are around my age (23) that own assault rifles. Makes no sense to me. You don't need anything more than a handgun to stop an intruder as long as you know how to aim it. If you can't aim and feel like you need an AR to make up for that lack of aim so you can just spray and pray, take lessons on how to shoot. Simple. And if hunting, say animals for example, is a hobby to you, you shouldn't need to hunt something with a gun stronger than a handgun. If you're trying to hunt something that massive that requires more than a handgun to take them down, IMO there's an issue.

I'd also have a recall on all weapons that have already been purchased by current gun owners. If the owner is 25 or older and owned a handgun, they could still keep it after going through mental evaluation. Anyone caught with a gun they shouldn't have after that point that was supposed to be recalled can just serve time in prison as a punishment. As far as how long of a prison sentence, that's pretty much up for another debate as a whole separate topic.

That's just my take on it.

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Originally Posted by Eddie

I personally think the age should be increased to 25. There's no reason an 18 year old male/female needs to be equipped with a gun. A knife, mace, a taser or something of that sort I'd understand, but you don't need no god damn gun at age 18, not even at 21.

Have mental health/illness disorder checks regularly done on people who wish to purchase a gun. I'd also have them go a lot more in depth with these check ups, since plenty of people can pass them and still be ****ed up in the head enough to go out and murder people. This kid in the Florida shooting is a prime example.

Also I think the only guns that should be allowed for purchase should be handguns. You don't need to be equipped with a damn assault rifle "for your own protection." I know plenty of my friends who are around my age (23) that own assault rifles. Makes no sense to me. You don't need anything more than a handgun to stop an intruder as long as you know how to aim it. If you can't aim and feel like you need an AR to make up for that lack of aim so you can just spray and pray, take lessons on how to shoot. Simple. And if hunting, say animals for example, is a hobby to you, you shouldn't need to hunt something with a gun stronger than a handgun. If you're trying to hunt something that massive that requires more than a handgun to take them down, IMO there's an issue.

I'd also have a recall on all weapons that have already been purchased by current gun owners. If the owner is 25 or older and owned a handgun, they could still keep it after going through mental evaluation. Anyone caught with a gun they shouldn't have after that point that was supposed to be recalled can just serve time in prison as a punishment. As far as how long of a prison sentence, that's pretty much up for another debate as a whole separate topic.

That's just my take on it.

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If you don't need a gun when you're 18 or 21, why would you need one when you're 25?

I do agree that handguns should be the only option, but looking at this they're probably just gonna ban some certain weapons that can then be moddified to become "legal".

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And if hunting, say animals for example, is a hobby to you, you shouldn't need to hunt something with a gun stronger than a handgun

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Don't agree there though, there's a reason why we use rifles to hunt elks/bears and such, bigger animals. But to get that rifle you need to go through a long process.

The problem with america is the legalisation of firearms i always thought / still think that is the issue with america they should just get rid of the whole firearm rule in general ofcourse there would still be murders etc but they made a retarded mistake by making this legal also a few years back the economy of america wasnt that great ( probably still isnt ) the country had debts MAINLY because americans are to stubborn to give up their "allowed" to purchase a firearm with correct license

TLDR america is a shit country with a retarded rule of firearms that should really be removed

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Originally Posted by Linzor

Don't agree there though, there's a reason why we use rifles to hunt elks/bears and such, bigger animals. But to get that rifle you need to go through a long process.

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Yeah that one's my bad. Forgot to take into account that people in certain areas have to hunt for their food for survival needs, which then yeah would require something stronger than a handgun.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

If you don't need a gun when you're 18 or 21, why would you need one when you're 25?

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Well I know it wasn't originally taken into account in my OG post, but one reason would be the reason I mentioned above this, hunting food for survival purposes. Also most people generally want to purchase a gun for self defense purposes to make themselves feel more secure, which is understandable living in the US with such high crime rates all over the place. Also the reasoning behind why I say 25 is because, yes, I understand age and maturity don't always correlate (i.e. some 14 year olds have more maturity in their pinky than plenty of people in their early 20s), but generally these two tend to correlate. You have 18 year olds going out partying and not giving a shit about life, underage drinking and making poor decisions, eager to finally turn 21 to be able to legally drink, then that phase will tend to die down once someone is in their mid 20s. Most people will have their maturity fully established by the time they're in their mid 20s because they aren't going to get very far in life with an immature attitude at that point. They start to realize shit man, I need to save money and comfortably afford a place to live, feed myself and possibly a family at that point, etc.

Also taking into account that gun control is a big buzz topic in the moment due to school shootings. A good majority of people are fully completed with high school and college by the time they're 25 and have developed more in terms of maturity. And the development in maturity also ties into gun crimes in general.

I know there's a lot of "what ifs" you can argue against some of my points, but you're honestly not going to form 100% perfect gun control laws in this world to eliminate these issues completely and forever, especially not in the US. The most you can do is alter what already exists to do your best to prevent it as best as possible.

If you want less incidents, make stricter laws or ban guns in general.
The people who say 'It's not the guns, it's the people who hold them', should really shut tf up, because it's no coincidence that there are so many incidents in a country with these laws. Every country has maniacs who have intentions of killing people, but they don't get the chance because they can't get hold of a gun that easily. So yes, it IS the gun law that makes this all happen.

Like I said;
Stricter laws = less guns
less guns = less accidents
less accidents = less deaths
less deaths = the objective

It's really not that hard...

gun control

black person is armed- thug/ killer since people will be stereotype

cops will try to dirty and try to use the law to throw u in jail

imo i wouldn’t trust gun control cuz the fact it will give higher % of shoot out depending how retarded people gets

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Originally Posted by Jeru

gun control

black person is armed- thug/ killer since people will be stereotype

cops will try to dirty and try to use the law to throw u in jail

imo i wouldn’t trust gun control cuz the fact it will give higher % of shoot out depending how retarded people gets

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So you're saying that if they enforce gun laws people are gonna get so retarded to start shooting even more? Legit man.

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Originally Posted by Linzor

So you're saying that if they enforce gun laws people are gonna get so retarded to start shooting even more? Legit man.

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it’s america it’s possible.

we gotta reach the kids and adults and make them not wanna commit crimes.
I think guns in the home should be permitted.
open carry is ridiculous only if people are blinded by egos.
I envision a future where that changes.
I think the ol' Wild West kinda thing is fun but those were duels, not slayings.
I'm for duels and I'm for love, give a man his freedom.
These crimes will stop. What we must do is start being the change we want seen.
I would not be surprised if the government scripts these things or ****s with kids heads making them commit these acts.
we gotta be the ones who be a positive force and a deciding factor of such moving forward.

Where I'm torn is how late it had to be for the U.S to even be considering stripping its citizens of firearms. At this point I'm not sure a law would stop those who have already illegally obtained weapons.... it took 18 school shootings THIS YEAR here for there to be even the slightest idea of change. I'm really curious to see how this plays out for my generation. The only way I see for this to start being effective is through a process system like Eddie explained above.

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Why do you bring Obama into this. I dont think Obama cried when he was bombing Syria for years killing innocent people. I dont think Obama cried when Black people were killing each other in higher more rates in his precidency. I dont think he was crying when he was hand in hand with ISIS providing them weapons in order to create the immigrant problem in Middle East making tons of families move out and eventually die in Aegean Sea.


I think they should just enforce a better Gun law in order to make it harder for people to get guns. But I don't think this is gonna stop the problem America has, it will just slow down the process. If someone wants to harm someone else he will find the gun to do it even if its banned.

The real problem for me in the last school shooting is that the FBI knew about this guy and did nothing to stop him. That's the real problem for me. You have everything you need to stop this and you do nothing?

I am slightly confused.. I have the right to bare arms for my country because at 18 I have the ability to give my life and my freedom for my country. If I am not mistaken you all should do more research on those "18" shootings... most were gun related incidents not actual shootings.. I think even one was a accidental discharge that went through a window which was classified into one of the 18. I don't discredit the fact that people in general are idiots but lets not forget the reason why america can make so many bad choices in the first place... we fought for it. If I am not mistaken we also assisted many other territories in keeping independence and continue to send men and woman to questionable area's whom are but 18 years old...

Yet when they fight for their country and the freedoms of the constitution people think that's where the logic fails? Come on.. it is the society/mentality of people that causes poor choices not the constitution or gun laws. There are illegal drugs... yet an over whelming number of people are addicted to it because it enters the country or is manufactured illegally. Go figure, a law for illegal substance yet so very easy to get. Restricting guns would only take them away from those who could potentially benifit from it rather than the scum bags that would have them even after they were banished.

Police can not be everywhere. There will always be crime, poverty, ignorance, jealousy, hatred, etc.. I would rather someone being assaulted, attacked, harmed, or murdered have the opportunity to defend themselves in my country that allow an evil person to harm an innocent one with not way to protect themselves. There are much deeper issues in the USA as in most countries that should be addressed more than a misinformed news reporter whom gives a vague number on the count of shootings as they put it.

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

Japan had 11 gun deaths in 2008, the U.S. had 12,000.

welp so another school shooting @ michigan
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/us/ce...red/index.html

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