FGunZ UPDATE // Improved Spray // Quest / CQ / Survival Changes // 11 AUG 2020

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Hey Freestylers,

we have released another important update to improve the game!

FGUNZ UPDATE // 11 AUG 2020

• Improved Shotgun Spray
  
  
• Various crash fixes and bug fixes
  
  
• Sell-All will never sell Jjangs or Scrider Magazine / Scrider Weight Ring
  
  
• Users can click anywhere outside the frame to close channel list / sell-all window

QUEST / CQ / SURVIVAL CHANGES

• Added Quest / CQ / Survival difficulty levels:
  
  Normal (100%)
  Hard (125%)
  Expert (150%)
  Master (200%)
  Nightmare (300%)
  Impossible (500%)
  
  Looking for a challenge or want to spice up your game? Setting a higher difficulty increases the health & damage of all NPCs, gives much more EXP and item drops with higher chance to be rare/epic/legendary/mythical! (the higher the difficulty, the higher the chance)
  
  
• Fixed NPCs getting stuck when a player leaves the quest
  
  
• Players can now block bullets from NPCs
  
  
• NPCs in Scrider now drop HP/AP/Ammo
  
  
• Fixed Scrider sometimes dropping cake and other food instead of items
  
  
• Changed the way Survival and Quest drops work by making them similar to how CQ drops work, so players can pick up the item to get it (or don't pick it up to distribute it randomly) and instantly see who received the item, what item and what level and rarity
  
  
• Added new High-End-MGs which you can only get from Quest / CQ / Survival
  
  
• Increased Superion EXP: 170K -> 300K
  
  
• Increased Anemaron EXP: 170K -> 300K
  
  
• Increased Palmpoa Commander EXP: 170K -> 260K
  
  
• Increased Palmpow EXP: 170K -> 300K
  
  
• Increased Cursed Palmpow EXP: 190K -> 320K
  
  
• Increased Zombie Queen II EXP: 340K -> 460K
  
  
• Increased Boss Party EXP: 2.0M -> 3.2M
  
  
• Added a new Custom Quest: Goblin King Kong which rewards 2.8M EXP (Mansion: Goblin King's Skull + Goblin King's Skull)

QUEST / CQ / SURVIVAL DROPS

• These quests have the lowest chance to drop MGs:
  
  School
  Fake Goblin King
  Goblin King
  Dwarf Goblin King
  
  Act 1.1 (Robot Rumble)
  Act 1.2 (Psychic's Revenge)
  Act 1.3 (The Traitor)
  Act 1.4 (The Root of It All...)
  
  
• These quests have a normal chance to drop MGs:
  
  Thunder Goblin King
  Zombie King
  Zombie Queen
  Giantz Lizardman
  Palmpao Commander
  Broken Golem
  
  Act 2.1 (Test Room C)
  Act 2.2 (Test Room B)
  Act 2.3 (Test Room A)
  Act 2.4 (Secret Test Room)
  
  Survival
  
  
• These quests have the highest chance to drop MGs:
  
  Zombie Queen II
  Palmpoa
  Cursed Palmpoa
  Superion
  Aneramon
  Lich
  Goblin King Kong
  
  Act 3 (Scrider)
  Act 4.1 (Army Men I)
  Act 4.2 (Army Men II)
  Act 4.3 (Army Men III)
  Act 4.4 (Army Men IV)

SURVIVAL CHANGES

Due to Survival not being a popular mode because of various reasons (no drops, too little EXP, no progression, repetitive and too easy), we have decided to give it a major overhaul to make Survival great:

• Progression: With each stage you complete alive, you can choose 1 of 10 skills to upgrade
  
  
• Drops: Every 5 stages you get an item drop in Survival and the drops get better the further you get (the chance to get high rarity / high level increases)
  
  
• Increased EXP: With each completed stage you get more EXP (every stage gives more EXP than the last one) - starting at 50K in Mansion, 60K in Prison and 70K in Dungeon
  
  
• Difficulty: With each completed stage the NPCs get gradually stronger (health and damage)

That's it for today. Enjoy the update!

Much love,
FreestylersWorld Staff

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Edit:

A small patch has been released to address some of the issues mentioned here and fix the server crashes (hopefully).

QUICK UPDATE // 11 AUG 2020

• Reverted Hitbox code to original
  
  
• Shotgun spray has been found to be a bit too wide and is now a bit tighter
  
  
• Fix darker screen bug in CW channels
  
  
• Fixed chest drops sometimes not getting distributed if not picked up by anyone
  
  
• Hopefully fixed the server crashes

Thanks for the update! keep it up (:

wow thanks!

Thanks for the update :4

I jizz'd :3

Thanks for the update!

wow, thx for the update!!

Thank you for the update, sir Mc! :)

ive been playing since the update released and the hp/ap change is really noticeable now

don't get me wrong i like the spread, you cant laser people across the map like you could before. However though i think the hp/ap change is a bit much with this spread change

dont know if im the only one but i would like to see the hp/ap value's reverted, then this spread would prolly be better

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

ive been playing since the update released and the hp/ap change is really noticeable now

don't get me wrong i like the spread, you cant laser people across the map like you could before. However though i think the hp/ap change is a bit much with this spread change

dont know if im the only one but i would like to see the hp/ap value's reverted, then this spread would prolly be better

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Perhaps. But I feel like in close combats you still die really fast with this HP/AP (just played a couple CWs against Akimbo). Need more opinions on it.

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There's a small bug if you switch clan channels where the screen gets darkened a bit and you have to click anywhere for it to be normal again. That will be fixed soon.

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Originally Posted by McSic

FGUNZ UPDATE // 11 AUG 2020

• Improved Shotgun Spray
• Improved Hitbox

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https://cdn.betterttv.net/frankerfacez_emote/265650/2

Thanks for the update & the hard work! :)

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Originally Posted by McSic

Perhaps. But I feel like in close combats you still die really fast with this HP/AP (just played a couple CWs against Akimbo). Need more opinions on it.

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There's a small bug if you switch clan channels where the screen gets darkened a bit and you have to click anywhere for it to be normal again. That will be fixed soon.

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With all due respect, that might just be the skill level difference. Dying fast from close combat is fine either way imo, mid range fights feel a bit off, takes too long to kill in my and my friend's opinion. but yea what you said, need more opinions.

with a little fine tuning it will be way better than before

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

mid range fights feel a bit off, takes too long to kill in my and my friend's opinion

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Perhaps the spray is a tad too wide right now. Can adjust that once we get some feedback.

Jesus do you never learn. Stop changing hit boxes. Mechanics that worked in glad are now busted. Whatever. Is what it is. We'll find somewhere else to play.

I've done a bit of testing already and can confirm that certain gladiator moves are now busted because of this patch.

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Originally Posted by zalibidas

Jesus do you never learn. Stop changing hit boxes. Mechanics that worked in glad are now busted. Whatever. Is what it is. We'll find somewhere else to play.

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or just suggest to adjust it ? glad cw and glad rooms previous hitbox

why u gotta be all dramatic about it

Because it breaks certain mechanics completely. I'm not here to play the admins vision of gunz. I'm here to play gunz. I'll go play elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

or just suggest to adjust it ? glad cw and glad rooms previous hitbox

why u gotta be all dramatic about it

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Because it's fun to throw a fuss :o.o

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Originally Posted by Deviok

I've done a bit of testing already and can confirm that certain gladiator moves are now busted because of this patch.

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Interesting. Which moves? Some more explanation / details would be good lol

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Originally Posted by McSic

Because it's fun to throw a fuss :o.o



Interesting. Which moves? Some more explanation / details would be good lol

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Everyone take note that I discovered the differences 20 minutes after waking up this morning. Dash Evade, against both air and ground massives is now messed up. And that's just from me logging on for a few minutes today. Probably more differences than that but haven't looked into it yet.

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Originally Posted by Deviok

Everyone take note that I discovered the differences 20 minutes after waking up this morning. Dash Evade, against both air and ground massives is now messed up. And that's just from me logging on for a few minutes today. Probably more differences than that but haven't looked into it yet.

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Could be due to the bigger head hitbox mentioned here
https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...=1#post1080613

Which is originally smaller than the model as seen here:

https://i.imgur.com/dIl8AMi.jpg

and we fixed it to be the actual size of the head (and not only up to the nose).

Guess that change needs to be reverted for glad rooms

My private gladiator army is testing stuff and looking into it and will probably complain about stuff here soon.

Evades and anything involving iframes that were used in the higher end of glad are completely broken. Masses are probably broken too, but I havent had time to test them fully. I'll be on after work to see what is and isn't busted more throughly, but changing hitboxes is never good. Maybe have a testing phase or something before rolling out updates like that.

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Originally Posted by zalibidas

Evades and anything involving iframes that were used in the higher end of glad are completely broken. Masses are probably broken too, but I havent had time to test them fully. I'll be on after work to see what is and isn't busted more throughly, but changing hitboxes is never good. Maybe have a testing phase or something before rolling out updates like that.

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Tests were done with a test group on the dev server. You should consider this to be the final test. (and not look at it like something final that's written in stone and will never change again) Pushing it into the live environment is the nr1 way to get proper results, bugs and feedback which we can then use to quickly make adjustments. There's nothing difficult about pushing another patch a few hours later to fix the mentioned problems. It's all digital.

How many top glads are in your dev group?

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Originally Posted by Deviok

How many top glads are in your dev group?

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What don't you understand about

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You should consider this to be the final test

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Originally Posted by Deviok

How many top glads are in your dev group?

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Lol you don't need a top glad. Just a glad. We can usually find issues with changed hitboxes immediately.

Edit: Respect for listening to us though. I'll test more after work. I've got a hold on the hitboxes and can probably find all probs.

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Originally Posted by zalibidas

Lol you don't need a top glad. Just a glad. We can usually find issues with changed hitboxes immediately.

Edit: Respect for listening to us though. I'll test more after work. I've got a hold on the hitboxes and can probably find all probs.

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I was using a word trap to get a definite "none" for an answer to try to make him look bad.

Colin's statements are factual and accurate. Also compartmentalizing aspects of peoples' personality into different sections of the forum is dumb. Also why don't you address the person disrespecting Colin? All Colin did was respond.

lol



You can expect the next patch in a few hours. It'll address the problems mentioned in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Deviok

Colin's statements are factual and accurate. Also compartmentalizing aspects of peoples' personality into different sections of the forum is dumb. Also why don't you address the person disrespecting Colin? All Colin did was respond.

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compartmentalizing is a fundamental concept exercised in every forum, i'm not sure how youre not aware of it. But since you insist on making it justified by addressing the person disrespecting zalibidas, he shouldn't have said what he did in the first place as this is a thread related to the update, not about measuring **** sizes. If you ain't here to discuss changes to the update (which were already discussed as mcsic said hes posting a new update in a few hours), then just don't post.

Anyways, I like the amount of effort the devs put into the aspects of the game revolving around quest, I just wish the community wasn't focused on quests and asked for quest-related updates and we'd instead see something that would make events more exciting. I personally got insanely bored of playing them up until the point it felt like a chore to log in for events because I never felt like there was anything new in that regard. Good job on the update regardless.

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compartmentalizing is a fundamental concept exercised in every forum, i'm not sure how youre not aware of it. But since you insist on making it justified by addressing the person disrespecting zalibidas, he shouldn't have said what he did in the first place as this is a thread related to the update, not about measuring **** sizes. If you ain't here to discuss changes to the update (which were already discussed as mcsic said hes posting a new update in a few hours), then just don't post.

Anyways, I like the amount of effort the devs put into the aspects of the game revolving around quest, I just wish the community wasn't focused on quests and asked for quest-related updates and we'd instead see something that would make events more exciting. I personally got insanely bored of playing them up until the point it felt like a chore to log in for events because I never felt like there was anything new in that regard. Good job on the update regardless.

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i'm sorry but since when is criticism not allowed about an update in a thread about an update. its because of that, the issue is getting fixed. if i had said nothing, no one would have known it was an issue. so yes, i should have said that.

or were you talking about the other guy saying what he said.

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Anyways, I like the amount of effort the devs put into the aspects of the game revolving around quest, I just wish the community wasn't focused on quests and asked for quest-related updates and we'd instead see something that would make events more exciting. I personally got insanely bored of playing them up until the point it felt like a chore to log in for events because I never felt like there was anything new in that regard. Good job on the update regardless.

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I actually had some new stuff coming up for events but during testing we found it didn't work as intended yet. You can expect some fun stuff for events in near future though.

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Originally Posted by McSic

I actually had some new stuff coming up for events but during testing we found it didn't work as intended yet. You can expect some fun stuff for events in near future though.

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interesting glad based events are much needed. you guys have a large amount of the glads playing here like you used to. a lot mostly do 1v1s these days in a glad discord but that might be something for suggestions.

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Originally Posted by zalibidas

i'm sorry but since when is criticism not allowed about an update in a thread about an update. its because of that, the issue is getting fixed. if i had said nothing, no one would have known it was an issue. so yes, i should have said that.

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I don't think Bunny was referring to the criticism which is necessary to improve the game and welcome in update threads, but the ego between you and Ganggbangg which Minato pointed out belongs into the ego section. (thus compartmentalizing) Which Deviok referred to as dumb (to which Bunny pointed out why compartmentalizing in forums isn't dumb)

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Originally Posted by zalibidas

interesting glad based events are much needed. you guys have a large amount of the glads playing here like you used to. a lot mostly do 1v1s these days in a glad discord but that might be something for suggestions.

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Yeah, you could let us hear your ideas and suggestions about it in the suggestion section, it helps.

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Originally Posted by McSic

I don't think Bunny was referring to the criticism which is necessary to improve the game and welcome in update threads, but the ego between you and Ganggbangg which Minato pointed out belongs into the ego section. (thus compartmentalizing) Which Deviok referred to as dumb (to which Bunny pointed out why compartmentalizing in forums isn't dumb)

Yeah, you could let us hear your ideas and suggestions about it in the suggestion section, it helps.

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yeah, i got it. i picked up on that shortly after posting that maybe they were talking about their initial comment.

played some more with the new spread in cw also but gotta say i don't like it in its current state, unless you are close range the shots don't feel right, im not the only one that thinks this, there were multiple people in cw complaining

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...06/unknown.png shots like these from this range do 60~ dmg

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

played some more with the new spread in cw also but gotta say i don't like it in its current state, unless you are close range the shots don't feel right, im not the only one that thinks this, there were multiple people in cw complaining

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...06/unknown.png shots like these from this range do 60~ dmg

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This is also going to be addressed in the upcoming patch. We will see how it feels after that

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Originally Posted by McSic

This is also going to be addressed in the upcoming patch. We will see how it feels after that

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After having a match, although slight, slashes seem to hit at weird angles they probably shouldn't. Its barely noticeable there though. Was just an observation.

my lazy pb style wont work now T.T
1mm hit = 40 dmg > berly hit = pb

Make the sword/dagger drops for some quest higher than the rest pls
Also thx for update

A small patch has been released to address some of the issues mentioned here and fix the server crashes (hopefully).

QUICK UPDATE // 11 AUG 2020

• Reverted Hitbox code to original
  
  
• Shotgun spray has been found to be a bit too wide and is now a bit tighter
  
  
• Fix darker screen bug in CW channels
  
  
• Fixed chest drops sometimes not getting distributed if not picked up by anyone
  
  
• Hopefully fixed the server crashes

I can say the updated new spray is way better than the previous one.

I am still not a fan of the higher hp/ap in combination with this spray though. In general it takes too many shots to kill but 1v2 situations are way too hard with the limited ammo you have and the new necessity to be at close(r) range to deal real damage. I would like to see a test phase with the reverted hp/ap so we could compare and see which one works better in combination with the current spread.

Thx for the updates though

idk if it's possible, but if you revert everything back to v7 it should be fine (hitbox and sg spread).

Thank you

much better than before

thanks for the update

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Originally Posted by rise

idk if it's possible, but if you revert everything back to v7 it should be fine (hitbox and sg spread).

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This is the "V7 hitbox" since this hitbox we use is the original, unmodified, vanilla hitbox, which was also used in V7 (and V6, V5, V4, etc.)

And the spray is very close to the original gunz spray, with the only difference between a set pattern so the spray isn't completely random and luck based like it was in the original GunZ.

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

I can say the updated new spray is way better than the previous one.

I am still not a fan of the higher hp/ap in combination with this spray though. In general it takes too many shots to kill but 1v2 situations are way too hard with the limited ammo you have and the new necessity to be at close(r) range to deal real damage. I would like to see a test phase with the reverted hp/ap so we could compare and see which one works better in combination with the current spread.

Thx for the updates though

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Thanks. I would like to hear more feedback to see if more people agree that the increased HP/AP is perhaps too much.

am i the only one who thinks dmgin is fkin hard? or killin ppl.. idk if prefer like i was first with low hp to this is way to much hp

the spread still doesn't feel right, the damage just doesn't seem right from close-mid range. If u share this opinion please thank me or reply in this thread

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

the spread still doesn't feel right, the damage just doesn't seem right from close-mid range. If u share this opinion please thank me or reply in this thread

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I second this ^ Just a lil'bit change.

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Originally Posted by Ganggbangg

the spread still doesn't feel right, the damage just doesn't seem right from close-mid range. If u share this opinion please thank me or reply in this thread

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agreed pls revert to how it used to be and stuff because this is kinda bad.. ngl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FExJy5gwj2o

the slow mos are kinda bad cuz i recorded in 30 fps but just to show u why the current spread is not good

People who die in a quest should not receive the loot, while a member makes all the effort and someone who died at the beginning takes the loot is very unfair.

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Originally Posted by Zeir

People who die in a quest should not receive the loot, while a member makes all the effort and someone who died at the beginning takes the loot is very unfair.

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If someone that survives picks the chest the person that picked it gets the loot. If you dont pick up the loot it gets randomized. Dont randomize the loot if u dont want players that die to get the loot.

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Originally Posted by Shang

If someone that survives picks the chest the person that picked it gets the loot. If you dont pick up the loot it gets randomized. Dont randomize the loot if u dont want players that die to get the loot.

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I'm talking about when you play with randoms if you take the box they give you kick so it is unfair that someone who dies get the loot

I'm actually trying to figure out why we even began changing the spread in the first place. Back in v7 most people complained about the Anti-Lead and barely anyone complained about the spread. Even now most players I have talked to never had a problem with v7 spread and only complained about the v7 anti-lead. Everything kinda changed after the anti-lead 2.0 update. We kept changing the spread so much that it eventually lead up to this mess where 7-10 people are giving an opinion about it and we average it out till we got the sg5 spread and after a few days we changed it again. I didn't give my opinions on the testing because i didn't test enough to give u a valid opinion, but now I am feeling the aftermath of the people that tested this for probably a few rounds or roughly an hour, not a few days. Also, I think 10 people is not enough to change something so big (Like we have done before too). Most of the players in game are very casual and don't use the forums at all. Please add some news post in game (At login screen or character select) where they can see whats going on without checking the forums. If they see something big in the news post they might go to the forums (for once) and give their own opinion. U can also leave a message in the lobby when they have logged in saying something like ''There is a new forum post about some spread changes. please take a look and give your opinion about it.''

Maybe we should consider changing the spread back to the old v7 spread. Most of the players that are still here (and those who left) have used that spread the most. Anyway, that's my thing i wanted to say.

About the quest update, this shit is absolutely amazing and I have never had so much fun questing with friends. I have 1 problem with something tho, and thats the absolutely retarded ass hitbox of that hammer smash (where u almost isntantly die or get stunned) that the dwarf goblins and the big goblins use. (dwarf goblin king, king kong goblin, thunder goblin etc) Most of the time im not even close to their attack but I still get him by them, please take a closer look.

Sry for long post k.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FExJy5gwj2o

the slow mos are kinda bad cuz i recorded in 30 fps but just to show u why the current spread is not good

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Looks fine to me without seeing your crosshair nor your pellets. It would probably help you if you had that enabled. Your aim plays a huge role here and you completely leave that out of it by having everything disabled. Slowmos don't tell us anything here because we can't see the pellets to begin with so we can't tell if it's your aim or the spray or whatever.

Anyway most people agreed that the increased size is better as you can no longer slice through people across the map (as you said yourself) and you land shots easier up close.

Regarding changing the spread back to V7, it was changed in the first place because people didn't like the randomness. In the original spray luck is a huge factor, because your aim could be 10/10, but where each pellet lands is completely decided by a random function so you could end up missing more than half the pellets, while your aim is perfect - simply because of luck. That's the whole idea why the spray was changed to a semi-static pattern to begin with to eliminate the luck factor.

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Originally Posted by McSic

Looks fine to me without seeing your crosshair nor your pellets. It would probably help you if you had that enabled. Your aim plays a huge role here and you completely leave that out of it by having everything disabled. Slowmos don't tell us anything here because we can't see the pellets to begin with so we can't tell if it's your aim or the spray or whatever.

Anyway most people agreed that the increased size is better as you can no longer slice through people across the map (as you said yourself) and you land shots easier up close.

Regarding changing the spread back to V7, it was changed in the first place because people didn't like the randomness. In the original spray luck is a huge factor, because your aim could be 10/10, but where each pellet lands is completely decided by a random function so you could end up missing more than half the pellets, while your aim is perfect - simply because of luck. That's the whole idea why the spray was changed to a semi-static pattern to begin with to eliminate the luck factor.

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trust me we've been playing cws and i can pretty much tell u that every cw player agrees that the spread is messed up.. you should honestly believe us if literally every1 is complaining about it

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trust me we've been playing cws and i can pretty much tell u that every cw player agrees that the spread is messed up.. you should honestly believe us if literally every1 is complaining about it

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Who's everyone? There is you, Ganggbangg, Shang and rise who replied they dislike it. There are a bunch of people I've spoken to that like it. Shang also just said that 5-10 people aren't enough to make such big decisions.

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Originally Posted by McSic

Looks fine to me without seeing your crosshair nor your pellets. It would probably help you if you had that enabled. Your aim plays a huge role here and you completely leave that out of it by having everything disabled. Slowmos don't tell us anything here because we can't see the pellets to begin with so we can't tell if it's your aim or the spray or whatever.

Anyway most people agreed that the increased size is better as you can no longer slice through people across the map (as you said yourself) and you land shots easier up close.

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i still stand with that opinion, i like the close range fighting WAY more, however though even from mid/close range the shots are so off. everytime it feels like u did ~100 dmg u did 50, it feels like u did ~200 u did 100 and so on.

My crosshair is visible in the video btw its a green dot in the middle. You can see me do slash pb's for 81 dmg (29 dmg from the slash so the shot did 52 dmg...)

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I'm actually trying to figure out why we even began changing the spread in the first place. Back in v7 most people complained about the Anti-Lead and barely anyone complained about the spread. Even now most players I have talked to never had a problem with v7 spread and only complained about the v7 anti-lead. Everything kinda changed after the anti-lead 2.0 update. We kept changing the spread so much that it eventually lead up to this mess where 7-10 people are giving an opinion about it and we average it out till we got the sg5 spread and after a few days we changed it again. I didn't give my opinions on the testing because i didn't test enough to give u a valid opinion, but now I am feeling the aftermath of the people that tested this for probably a few rounds or roughly an hour, not a few days. Also, I think 10 people is not enough to change something so big (Like we have done before too). Most of the players in game are very casual and don't use the forums at all. Please add some news post in game (At login screen or character select) where they can see whats going on without checking the forums. If they see something big in the news post they might go to the forums (for once) and give their own opinion. U can also leave a message in the lobby when they have logged in saying something like ''There is a new forum post about some spread changes. please take a look and give your opinion about it.''

Maybe we should consider changing the spread back to the old v7 spread. Most of the players that are still here (and those who left) have used that spread the most. Anyway, that's my thing i wanted to say.

About the quest update, this shit is absolutely amazing and I have never had so much fun questing with friends. I have 1 problem with something tho, and thats the absolutely retarded ass hitbox of that hammer smash (where u almost isntantly die or get stunned) that the dwarf goblins and the big goblins use. (dwarf goblin king, king kong goblin, thunder goblin etc) Most of the time im not even close to their attack but I still get him by them, please take a closer look.

Sry for long post k.

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exactly. noone complained about v7 spread, so why did you suddently change spread on v8 ?

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Originally Posted by McSic

Who's everyone? There is you, Ganggbangg, Shang and rise who replied they dislike it. There are a bunch of people I've spoken to that like it. Shang also just said that 5-10 people aren't enough to make such big decisions.

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i dont think all the cw players have a forum account to post here but since u rly want to i can tell them to post it here. but can i ask who said that they like it? if its casual players in gamerooms then sure they'd probably like it, but from a more competitive standpoint its not that good honestly.. also i dont even know why this all got changed in the first place, it was perfect how it was..

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Originally Posted by rise

exactly. noone complained about v7 spread, so why did you suddently change spread on v8 ?

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People complained about it all the time which is why it was changed in the first place lmao
People were complaining about antilead in V7 left and right when their shots were dealing less damage than expected (not talking about 0 dmg shots) which wasn't the antilead's fault but the complete randomness of the vanilla gunz spray. You can trust me on that when I tell you that you won't like it. Even while testing new spray options we had an option for the original gunz spray and people already didn't like it there after playing with a semi-static spray that reduced the luck factor by a large amount. You guys really believe that the original fully random spray that everyone complained about left and right, is the solution to your problems?

I've been playing on and off in random TDM rooms and it really just feels off.

I find myself running and reloading more then I should be. I feel like I should be pumping out more damage but I'm doing 8 mid range, it feels off.

I also haven't played for awhile so the natural Gods are the ones you should be listening to honestly.

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People complained about it all the time which is why it was changed in the first place lmao
People were complaining about antilead in V7 left and right when their shots were dealing less damage than expected (not talking about 0 dmg shots) which wasn't the antilead's fault but the complete randomness of the vanilla gunz spray. You can trust me on that when I tell you that you won't like it. Even while testing new spray options we had an option for the original gunz spray and people already didn't like it there after playing with a semi-static spray that reduced the luck factor by a large amount. You guys really believe that the original fully random spray that everyone complained about left and right, is the solution to your problems?

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Yes.

honestly if you could tweak the spread so that mid/close range shots do actual dmg, this would prolly be my fav spread

New spread is honestly pretty shit. I even recommended an increase in magazine to 6/6 if possible because it takes more than 10/10 to kill people now. All we wanted compared to the last spread/hitbox whatever its main point was to do LESS damage from FAR range. But now, its worse, there is now no damage at all even in mid-close range. u literally have to kiss the enemy to kill them
in 4shots. It's becoming worse day by day. Please dont host the tournament until theres a spread-fix or something

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People complained about it all the time which is why it was changed in the first place lmao
People were complaining about antilead in V7 left and right when their shots were dealing less damage than expected (not talking about 0 dmg shots) which wasn't the antilead's fault but the complete randomness of the vanilla gunz spray. You can trust me on that when I tell you that you won't like it. Even while testing new spray options we had an option for the original gunz spray and people already didn't like it there after playing with a semi-static spray that reduced the luck factor by a large amount. You guys really believe that the original fully random spray that everyone complained about left and right, is the solution to your problems?

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atleast if is not put the oldest spread, so u can play gunz normally for the first thing, tbh was just a bad idea put SG 1 to 9 for let the player checking the spread, 80% of them are training rooms players and garden 24/7 lol, sometimes u 4 5 shots someone, now is impossible, how with 10 hits u do like 200 dmg and u need 288 for kill one, is way bad

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People complained about it all the time which is why it was changed in the first place lmao
People were complaining about antilead in V7 left and right when their shots were dealing less damage than expected (not talking about 0 dmg shots) which wasn't the antilead's fault but the complete randomness of the vanilla gunz spray. You can trust me on that when I tell you that you won't like it. Even while testing new spray options we had an option for the original gunz spray and
people already didn't like it there after playing with a semi-static spray that reduced the luck factor by a large amount. You guys really believe that the original fully random spray that everyone complained about left and right, is the solution to your problems?

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You have to realise that people on this server , shotgun wise are under average skilled , hence the constant “fix the server “ shit v7 was good and on the path to success compared to the other server , all you have to do is revert shotgun spread to v7 and keep the current reworked anti lead
I haven’t tried the new hit box if there is any but that’s a stupid move the hit box was completely fine it’s just that the other server got bigger hit box so people who constant move between the servers think that on fg the hit boxes are ****t

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P.s no one of you is actually good at the game

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About the quest update, this shit is absolutely amazing and I have never had so much fun questing with friends. I have 1 problem with something tho, and thats the absolutely retarded ass hitbox of that hammer smash (where u almost isntantly die or get stunned) that the dwarf goblins and the big goblins use. (dwarf goblin king, king kong goblin, thunder goblin etc) Most of the time im not even close to their attack but I still get him by them, please take a closer look.

Sry for long post k.

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So far I know we did not touch the hitboxes of the NPC weapons, so they should be as the original game.. A smack of death.

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Who's everyone? There is you, Ganggbangg, Shang and rise who replied they dislike it. There are a bunch of people I've spoken to that like it. Shang also just said that 5-10 people aren't enough to make such big decisions.

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meh, you made the change in spread based off what one person said and went with it lol. the spread is bad, but im more curious tos ee how it would perform without the ap/hp changes like i had said previously in the other threads.

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meh, you made the change in spread based off what one person said and went with it lol. the spread is bad, but im more curious tos ee how it would perform without the ap/hp changes like i had said previously in the other threads.

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Incorrect. One person? What's your source?

There were threads regarding the spread changes and we've let people test them, received opinions and feedback from multiple people. Funny when people like you don't give feedback and then complain about changes later like "You didn't ask me personally!" I mean you saying that we based all this off one person just shows that you have no idea, and if you, blatantly, have no idea, why bother saying anything at all?

Anyhow we'll do more tests for the next update. But please do us and yourself a favor and check the forums once every couple days to give us your feedback. Don't wait until the changes are live to complain about them like you do now (plus saying that we based them off one source). Testruns give you the chance to shape FGunZ, so please use it.

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Incorrect. One person? What's your source?

There were threads regarding the spread changes and we've let people test them, received opinions and feedback from multiple people. Funny when people like you don't give feedback and then complain about changes later like "You didn't ask me personally!" I mean you saying that we based all this off one person just shows that you have no idea, and if you, blatantly, have no idea, why bother saying anything at all?

Anyhow we'll do more tests for the next update. But please do us and yourself a favor and check the forums once every couple days to give us your feedback. Don't wait until the changes are live to complain about them like you do now (plus saying that we based them off one source). Testruns give you the chance to shape FGunZ, so please use it.

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if its possible can you give us the option to use different spread in cw ? like a checkbox you have for glad, instead for different spreads?

I feel like CW is the only place to really test the spread anyways

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Incorrect. One person? What's your source?

There were threads regarding the spread changes and we've let people test them, received opinions and feedback from multiple people. Funny when people like you don't give feedback and then complain about changes later like "You didn't ask me personally!" I mean you saying that we based all this off one person just shows that you have no idea, and if you, blatantly, have no idea, why bother saying anything at all?

Anyhow we'll do more tests for the next update. But please do us and yourself a favor and check the forums once every couple days to give us your feedback. Don't wait until the changes are live to complain about them like you do now (plus saying that we based them off one source). Testruns give you the chance to shape FGunZ, so please use it.

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lol, the entire reason we had this discussion was because of akimbo's thread (https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...ead-and-hitbox) in which you say

"- Increase HP/AP a bit (thinking like +10-15 on both)
- Increase shotgun spray size a tad (+ 10-20% or so)

That's the plan. @Akimbo @Skilly"

based off of one suggestion (that no one agreed with).

it's then followed up by me and a few other players saying that the hp/ap updates are not necessary.

on your update thread (https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...ay-29-JUL-2020)

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Uh..? ok.. About the HP and AP increase, can we stick to the old one? I don't like it, its kinda remind me of the other server. Since, our suggestion about the increase of dmg won't be approved.

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ap/hp update sucks.

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Originally Posted by mamon8521

i dont think the hp/ap increase is a good idea, we just want the spread to be less tight so potshotting wouldnt be op
the hp/ap was perfect before

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you then post this thread (https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...es-11-AUG-2020)

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ive been playing since the update released and the hp/ap change is really noticeable now

don't get me wrong i like the spread, you cant laser people across the map like you could before. However though i think the hp/ap change is a bit much with this spread change

dont know if im the only one but i would like to see the hp/ap value's reverted, then this spread would prolly be better

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played some more with the new spread in cw also but gotta say i don't like it in its current state, unless you are close range the shots don't feel right, im not the only one that thinks this, there were multiple people in cw complaining

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...06/unknown.png shots like these from this range do 60~ dmg

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my lazy pb style wont work now T.T
1mm hit = 40 dmg > berly hit = pb

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I can say the updated new spray is way better than the previous one.

I am still not a fan of the higher hp/ap in combination with this spray though. In general it takes too many shots to kill but 1v2 situations are way too hard with the limited ammo you have and the new necessity to be at close(r) range to deal real damage. I would like to see a test phase with the reverted hp/ap so we could compare and see which one works better in combination with the current spread.

Thx for the updates though

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so, you got all this feedback about the hp/ap but "we never suggested anything" lol.

i am sorry for not replying to your thread on spread changes with the stupid tag while it was "live in testing" for a day or two. i figured i would actually give it time before i form my opinion on it since it's a bigger mechanic than ap/hp changes LOL. so now that its been live for what, 2 weeks, and everyone's had proper time to play with it... the consensus is that it's still not good & needs development. so why are you taking it so harshly? people are not going to form a proper opinion on a huge game mechanic change within 2 days where "proper" tdm rooms/competetive rooms/cw's are not at all active.


I would rather test the new spread without the addition of the new ap/hp. I feel like it ruined "testing" since there were a lot of changes at once.

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if its possible can you give us the option to use different spread in cw ? like a checkbox you have for glad, instead for different spreads?

I feel like CW is the only place to really test the spread anyways

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Possible but code wise it would be much more than via room mods. Also the idea that you can only CW others that have the same spray option selected makes it a bit harder to be used in CW. And CW is really just TDM on certain maps so I don't really see why people can't just ask others to do some 2s and 3s TDMs instead of CWs to test the different sprays. Not a huge deal.

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lol, the entire reason we had this discussion was because of akimbo's thread (https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...ead-and-hitbox) in which you say

"- Increase HP/AP a bit (thinking like +10-15 on both)
- Increase shotgun spray size a tad (+ 10-20% or so)

That's the plan. @Akimbo @Skilly"

based off of one suggestion (that no one agreed with).

it's then followed up by me and a few other players saying that the hp/ap updates are not necessary.

on your update thread (https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...ay-29-JUL-2020)







you then post this thread (https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...es-11-AUG-2020)










so, you got all this feedback about the hp/ap but "we never suggested anything" lol.

i am sorry for not replying to your thread on spread changes with the stupid tag while it was "live in testing" for a day or two. i figured i would actually give it time before i form my opinion on it since it's a bigger mechanic than ap/hp changes LOL. so now that its been live for what, 2 weeks, and everyone's had proper time to play with it... the consensus is that it's still not good & needs development. so why are you taking it so harshly? people are not going to form a proper opinion on a huge game mechanic change within 2 days where "proper" tdm rooms/competetive rooms/cw's are not at all active.


I would rather test the new spread without the addition of the new ap/hp. I feel like it ruined "testing" since there were a lot of changes at once.

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There were 12 days between me posting the thread asking for feedback regarding SG spray and pushing the next update. So don't say it's "1 or 2 days" when people had almost 2 weeks to give feedback. I don't react harsh to feedback when it's actually valuable feedback and not unfounded bs. Like saying "you made the change in spread based off one person" which I showed you is inaccurate, and now saying that you only had 1-2 days to reply to the live tests when it has been well over a week, almost two weeks, until I pushed the next update to implement the changes based off that thread. Also: "stupid tag" but you do take the time to bring unfounded bs about it afterwards when the "stupid tag" allowed you to test different sprays for nearly 2 weeks and give feedback and you didn't. So what have you done for the spray actually?

If you would like to test the spray with lower HP AP values, then feel free to test it with the vanilla tag. If you find the HP AP to be too low, then you could use shotguns with less damage. It's definitely possible to test it this way already without another patch.

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meh, you made the change in spread based off what one person said and went with it lol

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i am sorry for not replying to your thread on spread changes with the stupid tag while it was "live in testing" for a day or two. i figured i would actually give it time before i form my opinion on it since it's a bigger mechanic than ap/hp changes LOL. so now that its been live for what, 2 weeks, and everyone's had proper time to play with it... the consensus is that it's still not good & needs development. so why are you taking it so harshly? people are not going to form a proper opinion on a huge game mechanic change within 2 days where "proper" tdm rooms/competetive rooms/cw's are not at all active.

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I appreciate feedback but not this. This is unfounded bs right there. It has no value. It's unfounded. It's spam we don't need.

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There were 12 days between me posting the thread asking for feedback regarding SG spray and pushing the next update. So don't say it's "1 or 2 days" when people had almost 2 weeks to give feedback. I don't react harsh to feedback when it's actually valuable feedback and not unfounded bs. Like saying "you made the change in spread based off one person" which I showed you is inaccurate, and now saying that you only had 1-2 days to reply to the live tests when it has been well over a week, almost two weeks, until I pushed the next update to implement the changes based off that thread. Also: "stupid tag" but you do take the time to bring unfounded bs about it afterwards when the "stupid tag" allowed you to test different sprays for nearly 2 weeks and give feedback and you didn't. So what have you done for the spray actually?

If you would like to test the spray with lower HP AP values, then feel free to test it with the vanilla tag. If you find the HP AP to be too low, then you could use shotguns with less damage. It's definitely possible to test it this way already without another patch.





I appreciate feedback but not this. This is unfounded bs right there. It has no value. It's unfounded. It's spam we don't need.

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lol regardless, you said that no one suggested that anything was wrong with it and that the majority thinks it's a good change yet here we are in a thread with a bunch of people disagreeing and thinking that the spread is off.

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lol regardless, you said that no one suggested that anything was wrong with it and that the majority thinks it's a good change yet here we are in a thread with a bunch of people disagreeing and thinking that the spread is off.

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Ironically, it was the case in the feedback thread we had for the spread as you can see here https://freestylersworld.com/showthr...gun-Spray-Size which was open from 30 Jul 2020 until 11 Aug 2020, as I said. Noone suggested that anything was wrong there and people leaned towards SG5. As I pointed out these problems could have been avoided with more feedback early on.

There was a lot talk around the change that was coming. The whole idea was that shotguns pb from far and thats bullshit. Playing a game of rng was never fun. Thats why it was set to semi static. And this was discussed on the forums and widely in the game. Just because you didn't throw your two cents in doesnt mean others didn't.

While I do agree that currently the spread is too wide. I think its a good thing to have shotguns be less random. Increasing the hp/ap was done to allow people to play more aggressive. Unless I missed something everything was up for discussion there was even a poll for things.

@McSic So when do we get different spread just for CW? Kappa

can u guys please postpone the tounrament or something until this spread fixes. played 1.5-2 hours of cw nonstop today. Ganggbangg, Overdrive can also agree since they were playing as well. The spread lacked consistency and at this rate doesn't seem a good idea to host the tournament because it won't be a good experience. Please try and do something about it.

It can definitely improve but Sikander is just crying

Congratulations on the update.

I am very happy to see new content and improvements on the mission mode.

Surely the mission mode will grow even more with this server update.

That part is also very important for me.

I remember I made a topic to increase the boss if possible.
I am very happy to see this news.

EXP Superion aumentada: 170K -> 300K

EXP Anemaron aumentada: 170K -> 300K

Aumento de EXP do Palmpoa Commander: 170K -> 260K

EXP Palmpow aumentada: 170K -> 300K

EXP Cursed Palmpow Aumentada: 190K -> 320K

Expansão da Rainha Zumbi II: 340.000 -> 460.000

Aumento de EXP do Boss Party: 2,0M -> 3,2M

I was seeing a lot of players quickly leveling up in turbo mode.
The mission mode is now fully enhanced over the EXP level as well.

And now what I was waiting for ... a new mission.

I liked the value of EXP! Certainly more and more players are going into mission mode.
Perfect combination of the items.

About:

Quest / CQ / Survival Drops:

Very interesting for players to have this information — About survival mode.

Congratulations on the value and dedication on improving the mission mode on the server.

Me AlmasDoFogo — I've only been playing mission mode since 2007.

And for me to see an update being only of improvements on the mission mode... it is something very special for me. And I believe that for other players who are passionate about the mission mode.

I've always believed in mission mode! and for sure now there will be more players for this mode with these updates.

Congratulations for the team! : D

nobody gonna watch that

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Congratulations on the update.

I am very happy to see new content and improvements on the mission mode.

Surely the mission mode will grow even more with this server update.

That part is also very important for me.

I remember I made a topic about increasing experience in mission modes.
I am very happy to see this news.

EXP Superion aumentada: 170K -> 300K

EXP Anemaron aumentada: 170K -> 300K

Aumento de EXP do Palmpoa Commander: 170K -> 260K

EXP Palmpow aumentada: 170K -> 300K

EXP Cursed Palmpow Aumentada: 190K -> 320K

Expansão da Rainha Zumbi II: 340.000 -> 460.000

Aumento de EXP do Boss Party: 2,0M -> 3,2M

I was seeing a lot of players quickly leveling up in turbo mode.
The mission mode is now fully enhanced over the EXP level as well.

Congratulations!

And now what I was waiting for ... a new mission.

I liked the value of EXP! Certainly more and more players are going into mission mode.
I liked the combination of the items! Congratulations!

About:

QUEST / CQ / SURVIVAL DROPS:
Very interesting for players to have this information.
About survival mode.

Congratulations on the value and dedication on improving the mission mode on the server.

Me AlmasDoFogo — I've only been playing mission mode since 2007.

And for me to see an update being only of improvements on the mission mode... it is something very special for me. And I believe that for other players who are passionate about the mission mode.

I've always believed in mission mode! and for sure now there will be more players for this mode with these updates.

Congratulations for the team!

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Glad to hear you like our mission mode!
I'm sure they worked very hard on it to make it more enjoyable

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Maybe we can play some mission mode sometimes!

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Glad to hear you like our mission mode!
I'm sure they worked very hard on it to make it more enjoyable

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Maybe we can play some mission mode sometimes!

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I accept the invitation! : D