Get rid of "Fall Into Oblivion" event.

Suggestion type: Scrapping Event
FGunZ/Other


Suggestion description:

This is a bit of a weird suggestion since it's getting rid of something rather than implementing something.
So today an event called "Fall into Oblivion" was hosted and I participated. It's an event where you run to your own death as soon as possible. You have no weapons and you're only able to tumble/jump. What I noticed was that every round I was playing, 1 certain teammate moved faster than the rest of us. I was wondering how he was able to pull that off so I whispered one of the people leading the event why that was. They told me it was, because someone has lower FPS, which causes you to have less frames, thus skip frames, meaning you move less smoothly and teleport more, which makes them move faster. Only it's difficult to actually witness it with our eyes if you've set it to the right amount. In this event there are no rules about lagging and you can't check to what amount someone has set their fps, so right now I guess it's only known to certain people as a trick to gain an advantage. FGunZ allows you to set your fps at 0 or from 60 till 1000. Unless there are rules about spiking or there is a system implemented within that event (like a TAG) that forces you to have certain fps or unless the event host will recommend you to have the lowest (60FPS) to move as fast as possible within the event description I think the Event should at least be temporarily be removed. Because right now there's an unfair advantage for certain people who have specific knowledge and mess with their settings to get it. Having said that, I myself use a third party program since official servers (10+ years ago) for limiting my FPS, which isn't detected by FGunZ as something hostile or illegal. So even if you suggest people to put their FPS to 60, if people like me with such programs for example would limit ourselves to 55, without lag being noticable, we would have an advantage over those who have the minimum that fgunz allows. For the sake of keeping events fair and for everyone to enjoy I would like to suggest deleting this event until there's a proper solution. (I've tested this event with a staff member who had their fps set to 250 and a headstart advantage and me going to low FPS, and I would still win the race, so the advantage is big.)

We can't force them a certain fps and fps could matter in basically every event out there if you wanna look at it this way.

And even so, what you are talking about is barely noticeable to the extent where it's just a placebo and doesn't actually affect the outcome of who wins.

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Originally Posted by Camel

And even so, what you are talking about is barely noticeable to the extent where it's just a placebo and doesn't actually affect the outcome of who wins.

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I just said I tested it with a staff member thoroughly who I gave a headstart and I came out as the winner everytime. so the advantage is pretty big.

yes f0rce every1 t0 have decent fps that d0esn't ruin their game and d0nt aII0w them t0 take advantage - using 60 fps.

simiIar thing is used t0 take advantage in the event I0I-Race. very n0ticabIe with the gravity m0de.

99% of the time jump boost gained from 60 fps is not the outcome deciding between who wins due to the countless factors that come into play when the host starts teleporting (due to the nature of where each player will face/move after teleporting).

This suggestion also focuses on a specific event rather than the whole picture. Lolrace specifically, has much higher impact for who uses 60 fps.

Either way, limiting to 60 fps isnt a cheat, its been known for a while, any player can do it with 2 button clicks so i dont think anything needs changing besides bringing awareness to the community for this behavior.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

99% of the time jump boost gained from 60 fps is not the outcome deciding between who wins due to the countless factors that come into play when the host starts teleporting (due to the nature of where each player will face/move after teleporting).

This suggestion also focuses on a specific event rather than the whole picture. Lolrace specifically, has much higher impact for who uses 60 fps.

Either way, limiting to 60 fps isnt a cheat, its been known for a while, any player can do it with 2 button clicks so i dont think anything needs changing besides bringing awareness to the community for this behavior.

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This discussion went on in the chatbox, I don't have experience with a lot of events, since events aren't really my thing, and I have merely focused testing the results based on this event. Which means I can't speak for other events, also perhaps my suggestion is wrong in the sense that it should be removed, but for me personally (self conclusion) it seemed like the best course of action for that now.

I'm not out here to try and get rid of events for the sake of getting rid of event. I'm all for people enjoying as much events as possible. But I'm here to spark the discussion on how to be able to host a fair and fun event for everyone. I am aware that setting your fps to 60 isn't a cheat, however people come to your event with hopes that they can do something they like and win themselves a reward with it, if the majority of the people aren't aware that changing your fps gives you an advantage, that would mean the chances of those who do are bigger, which kind of sucks. The least that can be done is to make things as enjoyable and as fun as possible or think of a solution to make something better. If we stop improving or thinking about things where will we end up? Anyways, even a thread or discussion on this forum like this can make people more aware, a description of event host with the events in question can help people out.

All I care about is a fun server, im not trying to take something away from someone, I am not trying to be a mad person to get something I want, I suggest something, because I feel like it could benefit the server and the people playing it.

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Originally Posted by R0B3N

This discussion went on in the chatbox, I don't have experience with a lot of events, since events aren't really my thing, and I have merely focused testing the results based on this event. Which means I can't speak for other events, also perhaps my suggestion is wrong in the sense that it should be removed, but for me personally (self conclusion) it seemed like the best course of action for that now.

I'm not out here to try and get rid of events for the sake of getting rid of event. I'm all for people enjoying as much events as possible. But I'm here to spark the discussion on how to be able to host a fair and fun event for everyone. I am aware that setting your fps to 60 isn't a cheat, however people come to your event with hopes that they can do something they like and win themselves a reward with it, if the majority of the people aren't aware that changing your fps gives you an advantage, that would mean the chances of those who do are bigger, which kind of sucks. The least that can be done is to make things as enjoyable and as fun as possible or think of a solution to make something better. If we stop improving or thinking about things where will we end up? Anyways, even a thread or discussion on this forum like this can make people more aware, a description of event host with the events in question can help people out.

All I care about is a fun server, im not trying to take something away from someone, I am not trying to be a mad person to get something I want, I suggest something, because I feel like it could benefit the server and the people playing it.

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Well said, but in this case it would fit more in a debate thread due to the large scope and overall decision that has to be made (not a suggestion a developer can implement).

Bringing awareness to 60fps advantages is 1 possible step as many events have that small difference, but in my personal opinion, many people who join the event with hopes of winning have much more to improve before changing to 60 fps would give them an actual feel-able advantage.

Regardless, removing events is not a solution i would consider (simply because so many of them can give very very slight advabtages to 60 fps users (including dodgeball for example).

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Well said, but in this case it would fit more in a debate thread due to the large scope and overall decision that has to be made (not a suggestion a developer can implement).

Bringing awareness to 60fps advantages is 1 possible step as many events have that small difference, but in my personal opinion, many people who join the event with hopes of winning have much more to improve before changing to 60 fps would give them an actual feel-able advantage.

Regardless, removing events is not a solution i would consider (simply because so many of them can give very very slight advabtages to 60 fps users (including dodgeball for example).

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Beforehand I was wondering where I was supposed to post something like this, I wasn't sure whether suggestions would be the right place or somewhere else. That's something I can acknowledge as a possible fault of mine. but to go in depth on what you said, I think I'm relatively experienced in moving myself around and doing well in such an event (i was 4th place, i was doing well that round but tomus kept teleporting me till i was ded last place and then stopped summon) and had no clue about the whole fps business. and before people start accusing me of making a thread like this because I got 4th place which was just outside the range of prizes, I honestly don't care about event points or whatever and only addressed this because I took an interest in a guy that seemed to have a speed advantage over all the others everytime we had spawned or teleported and was wondering why that happened and once i found out tried doing some tests with it and address it.

So while I do think there are a lot of things to consider whether someone will win an event or not, 1 aspect of it can already affect the outcome a lot and I want to help out and make sure that chances for everyone are as equal as possible, thus all possible negative aspects of this story (that aren't player skills related) are as reduced as possible.

His Explanation say's that It's not not about the Event Point. Taking this advantage's are quite unfair to people, Just to be fair event to everyone.

Indeed, 60 fps gives an unfair advantage. So does spending time perfecting gameplay and learning medstyle to finish first in lolrace. People spent time tinkering with gameplay and discovering that 60 fps makes you move slightly faster. People also discovered you can kstyle and climb walls 14 years ago. This game is about discovering and people who spent lots of time playing gained an advantage over people who dont and the same people discovered 60 fps can make you move faster.

Yes i know getting 4th place sucks. You spent the best part of 20 minutes and youre just about to win and then you lose. I completely understand the reasoning for creating this suggestion but again, if you played more or you had better luck with tomas's last teleport you wouldve won potentially +3 over the guy who runs fast.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Indeed, 60 fps gives an unfair advantage. So does spending time perfecting gameplay and learning medstyle to finish first in lolrace. People spent time tinkering with gameplay and discovering that 60 fps makes you move slightly faster. People also discovered you can kstyle and climb walls 14 years ago. This game is about discovering and people who spent lots of time playing gained an advantage over people who dont and the same people discovered 60 fps can make you move faster.

Yes i know getting 4th place sucks. You spent the best part of 20 minutes and youre just about to win and then you lose. I completely understand the reasoning for creating this suggestion but again, if you played more or you had better luck with tomas's last teleport you wouldve won potentially +3 over the guy who runs fast.

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I respect your reply, but I think you missed everything I said.

I disagree with your view on unfair advantages, I feel skill, training, finding out specific ways to play should be treated differently as changing something technical to boost your playing experiences.

Second, the thing about me being 4th was an anecdote on what happened and had no relevance to me on an emotional level nor was it the basis of my complaint. My point is that you have to look at every aspect (that isn't player skillbased, but rather technical) and improve the feeling of fairplay. Whether that is encouraging or informing rather people of being able to move faster with 60 fps or other measures in this case. You want to prevent someone with less or equal amount of skill gaining an advantage over the person with that equal or higher level of skill by the use of setting something technical. However since this technical thing is available to everyone and legal it would be well advised to at least inform the people of the pros and cons of something like that in an event like this.

I think we're not on the same line, If someone who is inexperienced playing this game loses in an event to someone who is more experienced because they trained more, that just means the newer or inexperienced player has to put more effort to catch up to the rest. But if that newer player would merely lose to such a technicality rather than because of their skill, it would seem unfair to me. Even though it's not illegal or that unfair, but what you want to accomplish is that you have as much of an equal chance as you can when on the same playing level.

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Originally Posted by R0B3N

I respect your reply, but I think you missed everything I said.

I disagree with your view on unfair advantages, I feel skill, training, finding out specific ways to play should be treated differently as changing something technical to boost your playing experiences.

Second, the thing about me being 4th was an anecdote on what happened and had no relevance to me on an emotional level nor was it the basis of my complaint. My point is that you have to look at every aspect (that isn't player skillbased, but rather technical) and improve the feeling of fairplay. Whether that is encouraging or informing rather people of being able to move faster with 60 fps or other measures in this case. You want to prevent someone with less or equal amount of skill gaining an advantage over the person with that equal or higher level of skill by the use of setting something technical. However since this technical thing is available to everyone and legal it would be well advised to at least inform the people of the pros and cons of something like that in an event like this.

I think we're not on the same line, If someone who is inexperienced playing this game loses in an event to someone who is more experienced because they trained more, that just means the newer or inexperienced player has to put more effort to catch up to the rest. But if that newer player would merely lose to such a technicality rather than because of their skill, it would seem unfair to me. Even though it's not illegal or that unfair, but what you want to accomplish is that you have as much of an equal chance as you can when on the same playing level.

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Gaining an advantage by changing something technical about the game or improving skill wise are indeed 2 different things, but they are both completely valid. almost every popular game youd play nowadays, has tens of different settings that, some less obvious than others, give you an advantage over your opponent, for example league of legends and the target nearest button that new players have to have another player tell them about this feature for them to use.

If someone who is newer loses to a technicality then he can seek out a guide (in gunz's case there are no guides due to the small community) that gives him tips and tricks on how to perform better by changing technical settings.

Almost forgot to reply to this thread. Anyway personally its a No from me because, the host teleporting players also resets the lead advantage especially if the leader is in an animation lock. However do keep in mind that normal FPS gameplay is at 250, and anything lesser makes the character different to control, perhaps even harder. Also it isn't just this event, where FPS can lead to an advantage, and if we just remove this event for this reason it doesn't make sense as to why we keeping the others. Two instances of where FPS can play a part is in events, such as Medstyle or Dodgeball where FPS can determine which tricks you can do, or even if some rockets register as false positives.

I think the main point Rob3n is trying to make is simply this.

"Why bother doing certain events when someone can cheese it by using glitches to gain an unfair advantage compared to an average user?"

I don't think it really matters about awareness on the glitch in question.

If there's a way to cheese the event by limiting your FPS to move faster, then there should probably be more moderation for the event in question, or simply scrap the event entirely except for lulz.

If there's a reward for an event, I personally think there should be zero tolerance for people cheesing it in these kinds of ways. It goes against the spirit of doing the event in the first place.


Mind, this is only under the assumption the player in question is tampering with their game on purpose to give themselves an unfair advantage. If their PC is actually so potato that they can only run the game on 60 fps.... I have concerns.

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Originally Posted by KingScuba

I think the main point Rob3n is trying to make is simply this.

"Why bother doing certain events when someone can cheese it by using glitches to gain an unfair advantage compared to an average user?"

I don't think it really matters about awareness on the glitch in question.

If there's a way to cheese the event by limiting your FPS to move faster, then there should probably be more moderation for the event in question, or simply scrap the event entirely except for lulz.

If there's a reward for an event, I personally think there should be zero tolerance for people cheesing it in these kinds of ways. It goes against the spirit of doing the event in the first place.


Mind, this is only under the assumption the player in question is tampering with their game on purpose to give themselves an unfair advantage. If their PC is actually so potato that they can only run the game on 60 fps.... I have concerns.

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some people's pc can indeed not run faster than 60 fps, but thats besides the point.
This isnt tampering with their game on purpose to gain an unfair advantage. The advantage is quite fair due to the point i brought up in an earlier post (especially since this is not a third party program, which would obviously not be allowed, yet is in many other games).
Additionally, you cannot scrap the event and you cannot enforce this rule, because for (1) many other events abuse this and youre not gonna scrap 20 events because of it and (2) because its not realistically possible to enforce.
The only solution in my opinion is either changing something about the way the game works to stop 60 fps from making you move slightly faster (idk if this is possible, mcsic?), or just live with it because its just a setting that any player can change just like any other.

very good suggestion. I like it brother.

However allow removing events completely, instead we could have a room tag that locks these man's fps at 250. Which would be nice innit.

Let me know what you think about this Roben :O


hi aredus

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Originally Posted by Mex

very good suggestion. I like it brother.

However allow removing events completely, instead we could have a room tag that locks these man's fps at 250. Which would be nice innit.

Let me know what you think about this Roben :O


hi aredus

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And then people will find ways to allocate just enough resources to gunz to cap it at 50-70 fps?

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Originally Posted by Bunny

And then people will find ways to allocate just enough resources to gunz to cap it at 50-70 fps?

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Then they can make it cap at 60 and none will have an advantage over others in such events



hi mex

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Originally Posted by Aredus

Then they can make it cap at 60 and none will have an advantage over others in such events



hi mex

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Adding to this, it will be a great idea to cap everyone’s fps to 60 so that there is the same advantage for everyone.

Roben please read this and tell us what you think.

hi Aredus how are you?

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Originally Posted by Aredus

Then they can make it cap at 60 and none will have an advantage over others in such events



hi mex

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Then people will complain their game runs like shit because 60 fps causes some often strange behavior with character control and packet loss and theres often stutteriness in fps despite it remaining at constant 60.
Just cant please everyone sadly

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Originally Posted by Mex

Adding to this, it will be a great idea to cap everyone’s fps to 60 so that there is the same advantage for everyone.

Roben please read this and tell us what you think.

hi Aredus how are you?

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Everything that helps is something that helps. Getting everyone to be 60 fps would already make things more equal than it is currently, but am not sure if it's possible to limit people fps or put a minimum for that matter.