v8 please fix the screen shake from FX

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10-26-2017
Qwin

v8 please fix the screen shake from FX

The screen shakes around every time a massive is thrown on v8 which is very annoying.

On my first day to play v8 it was headache inducing, many of my friends have complained about it as well. One of them gets drunk, and said the screen shaking made them nauseous. Some questioned if it was always this way and we just never noticed... but this is also noticeable on any automatic gun. So I believe it's a rendering problem with all FX.

Gun shake is more tolerable because it feels like the guns have power (even if it probably throws off aim so its bad), but the melee's camera shake is just disorienting. I have already gotten used to it, but I know more people who would want it removed.
10-26-2017
StephanM

https://youtu.be/IsZHSlXR3gw?t=161

A shake like this? (it is even more annoying when you are the enemy)
10-26-2017
Qwin

Quote:

Originally Posted by StephanM

https://youtu.be/IsZHSlXR3gw?t=161
A shake like this? (it is even more annoying when you are the enemy)

I guess what you're talking about is this Belching, and yes its exactly like that except a faster shake.
10-26-2017
StephanM

What settings do you use so I could replicate the "issue".
10-26-2017
Qwin

I play on minimal res for best input registry, but it happens regardless of resolution.

<VIDEO>
<WIDTH>800</WIDTH>
<HEIGHT>600</HEIGHT>
<COLORBITS>32</COLORBITS>
<GAMMA>255</GAMMA>
<FULLSCREEN>0</FULLSCREEN>
<REFLECTION>true</REFLECTION>
<LIGHTMAP>true</LIGHTMAP>
<DYNAMICLIGHT>false</DYNAMICLIGHT>
<SHADER>true</SHADER>
<CHARACTORTEXTURELEVEL>0</CHARACTORTEXTURELEVEL>
<MAPTEXTURELEVEL>0</MAPTEXTURELEVEL>
<EFFECTLEVEL>0</EFFECTLEVEL>
<TEXTUREFORMAT>1</TEXTUREFORMAT>
<MOVINGPICTURERESOLUTION>0</MOVINGPICTURERESOLUTION>
<MOVINGPICTUREFILSIZE>0</MOVINGPICTUREFILSIZE>
<NHARDWARETNL>false</NHARDWARETNL>
<ARCHETYPE>false</ARCHETYPE>
<WHITEMAP>false</WHITEMAP>
<STENCIL>true</STENCIL>
<ANTIALIASING>0</ANTIALIASING>
<DASHCOLORS>TRUE</DASHCOLORS>
<OLDCAMERA>FALSE</OLDCAMERA>
<SHOTEFFECTS>FALSE</SHOTEFFECTS>
<BULLETMARKS>FALSE</BULLETMARKS>
<GLOWEFFECT>3</GLOWEFFECT>
<D3D9EX>TRUE</D3D9EX>
</VIDEO>

Note for D3D9EX it happens regardless if its disabled or not, so I leave it enabled because it's a good chunk of RAM reduced.

<ETC>
<NETWORKPORT1>7700</NETWORKPORT1>
<NETWORKPORT2>7800</NETWORKPORT2>
<BOOST>FALSE</BOOST>
<LANGUAGE>USA</LANGUAGE>
<REJECT_NORMALCHAT>FALSE</REJECT_NORMALCHAT>
<REJECT_TEAMCHAT>FALSE</REJECT_TEAMCHAT>
<REJECT_CLANCHAT>FALSE</REJECT_CLANCHAT>
<REJECT_WHISPER>FALSE</REJECT_WHISPER>
<REJECT_INVITE>FALSE</REJECT_INVITE>
<CROSSHAIR>2</CROSSHAIR>
<FRAMELIMIT>250</FRAMELIMIT>
<SHOWFPS>TRUE</SHOWFPS>
<SWORDTRAIL>0</SWORDTRAIL>
<WEAPONROTATION>TRUE</WEAPONROTATION>
<AUTORECORD>FALSE</AUTORECORD>
<EMOJIS>TRUE</EMOJIS>
<TIMESTAMP>1</TIMESTAMP>
<TEAMHPAP>0</TEAMHPAP>
<FRAGRECORD>FALSE</FRAGRECORD>
<DRAWHELMETS>FALSE</DRAWHELMETS>
<SHOWFULLDMG>FALSE</SHOWFULLDMG>
<CHATFILTER>FALSE</CHATFILTER>
</ETC>

I've already toggled everything, no difference.
10-26-2017
S1lent

Massives and rockets always made the screen shake even on ijji. Guns however did not.
10-26-2017
StephanM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwin

I play on minimal res for best input registry, but it happens regardless of resolution.

<VIDEO>
<WIDTH>800</WIDTH>
<HEIGHT>600</HEIGHT>
<COLORBITS>32</COLORBITS>
<GAMMA>255</GAMMA>
<FULLSCREEN>0</FULLSCREEN>
<REFLECTION>true</REFLECTION>
<LIGHTMAP>true</LIGHTMAP>
<DYNAMICLIGHT>false</DYNAMICLIGHT>
<SHADER>true</SHADER>
<CHARACTORTEXTURELEVEL>0</CHARACTORTEXTURELEVEL>
<MAPTEXTURELEVEL>0</MAPTEXTURELEVEL>
<EFFECTLEVEL>0</EFFECTLEVEL>
<TEXTUREFORMAT>1</TEXTUREFORMAT>
<MOVINGPICTURERESOLUTION>0</MOVINGPICTURERESOLUTION>
<MOVINGPICTUREFILSIZE>0</MOVINGPICTUREFILSIZE>
<NHARDWARETNL>false</NHARDWARETNL>
<ARCHETYPE>false</ARCHETYPE>
<WHITEMAP>false</WHITEMAP>
<STENCIL>true</STENCIL>
<ANTIALIASING>0</ANTIALIASING>
<DASHCOLORS>TRUE</DASHCOLORS>
<OLDCAMERA>FALSE</OLDCAMERA>
<SHOTEFFECTS>FALSE</SHOTEFFECTS>
<BULLETMARKS>FALSE</BULLETMARKS>
<GLOWEFFECT>3</GLOWEFFECT>
<D3D9EX>TRUE</D3D9EX>
</VIDEO>

Note for D3D9EX it happens regardless if its disabled or not, so I leave it enabled because it's a good chunk of RAM reduced.

<ETC>
<NETWORKPORT1>7700</NETWORKPORT1>
<NETWORKPORT2>7800</NETWORKPORT2>
<BOOST>FALSE</BOOST>
<LANGUAGE>USA</LANGUAGE>
<REJECT_NORMALCHAT>FALSE</REJECT_NORMALCHAT>
<REJECT_TEAMCHAT>FALSE</REJECT_TEAMCHAT>
<REJECT_CLANCHAT>FALSE</REJECT_CLANCHAT>
<REJECT_WHISPER>FALSE</REJECT_WHISPER>
<REJECT_INVITE>FALSE</REJECT_INVITE>
<CROSSHAIR>2</CROSSHAIR>
<FRAMELIMIT>250</FRAMELIMIT>
<SHOWFPS>TRUE</SHOWFPS>
<SWORDTRAIL>0</SWORDTRAIL>
<WEAPONROTATION>TRUE</WEAPONROTATION>
<AUTORECORD>FALSE</AUTORECORD>
<EMOJIS>TRUE</EMOJIS>
<TIMESTAMP>1</TIMESTAMP>
<TEAMHPAP>0</TEAMHPAP>
<FRAGRECORD>FALSE</FRAGRECORD>
<DRAWHELMETS>FALSE</DRAWHELMETS>
<SHOWFULLDMG>FALSE</SHOWFULLDMG>
<CHATFILTER>FALSE</CHATFILTER>
</ETC>

I've already toggled everything, no difference.

jesus 800x600..
10-26-2017
Qwin

Quote:

Originally Posted by StephanM

jesus 800x600..

For me
input delay > GunZ looking nice. ever since I used to play above 500fps and found out about sliding, I've just had my own crusade since then to find a way to minimize delay as much as possible. Most of the discoveries are my own in that regard but DOLPHINRIDER aka NotaKitten set me on that path telling me that playing with GunZ fps unlocked was a terrible way to play. (This is well before pservers or maiet introduced fps locks in the options)

I can play up to 1920x1080 on my TV with no fps drops at 250, but the input delay is another story. GunZ has spaghetti rendering code and pservers haven't helped any at all in that regard. I used to play on max res, but that was before I discovered that playing on any 4 : 3 ratio resolution has better input registration than any 16 : 9 ratio resolution.

And playing on 800x600 > 1024x768 is still better in terms of input lag. You can try these things yourself, I've tested and verified it with many other players, it's the difference between feeling like you have a ball and chain around your neck.

The screen shake still happens at 1920x1080, it's less noticeable when firing auto's like SMGs, Rifles or HMGs so it doesnt bother me much, but it's multiplied with a very noticeable shake (like the belch) when massives are involved. Havent yet tested if seeing other players auto's cause the screen to shake from my pov like it does with being massived.
10-26-2017
Eddie

I back this suggestion 100%. It's one of the reasons I uninstalled honestly. I didn't really have an issue as far as my screen shaking from weapons, but massives I noticed immediately. I even asked everyone else right away if they had the same issue with intense screen shaking from massives, and they all treated me like I had 5 heads and tried telling me it was the same (most likely trolling). So I'm glad it wasn't just me lol. Even playing sober it gave me headaches right away. Gladiator fights were torture for me lol. I'd always accidentally throw massives or not always be able to guess how to block my opponent's massive, and it would just be constant shake after shake. And I really hope the argument isn't gonna be to "get more skilled and learn to control massives and how to block them better, so that you won't deal with the massive shakes," because that'd just be kinda ****ed up lol.

I don't exactly remember all the settings I used when I played, so I can't share that with you unfortunately, but I hope this is something that can/will be adjusted. All the other v8 changes I don't mind and can adjust to, but this is a big one that really bothered me and apparently some others as well.
10-27-2017
McSic

We could turn it into an option and disable it per default.
10-27-2017
Qwin

Quote:

Originally Posted by S1lent

Massives and rockets always made the screen shake even on ijji. Guns however did not.

Then it the shaking value must have been ramped up in v8 because it was never this bad. people immediately noticed once the new version of the server dropped. it was night and day. I would put money down on the shake being no where near as bad or barely noticable on a nother server if i compare it right now.
10-27-2017
S1lent

Lots of games do have screenshake as an option. Not that gunz is like most other games. It was there before V8 on massives and explosions, so it's not something to "fix" and instead is actually a request for a new feature to disable what has always been there. Nothing wrong with that though.
10-27-2017
Qwin

Quote:

Originally Posted by S1lent

Lots of games do have screenshake as an option. Not that gunz is like most other games. It was there before V8 on massives and explosions, so it's not something to "fix" and instead is actually a request for a new feature to disable what has always been there. Nothing wrong with that though.

Just tested on another server. Absolutely no shake on firing autos or when throwing a massive. The screen camera "wobbles" because the character moves around but the actual massive has no shake. Easily seen when just throwing an air massive, no shake and no wobble. It's as clear as night and day.

This is some added on rendering spaghetti code for FG and it's never been a part of gunz.
10-27-2017
S1lent

I repeat...

Quote:

Originally Posted by S1lent

Massives and rockets always made the screen shake even on ijji. Guns however did not.

Also go look at the 1.5 gunz source. You will find shake on massives as well as explosions.
10-27-2017
Qwin

And I played it on servers that only use 1.5 source with no additions. You can say it exists in the code, but it doesnt happen in game. You're probably conflating the wobble with the actual massive fx.

Testing more on FG shows that rockets are unaffected so so much for the 1.5 code. Every time I fire a gun on FG like pistols, sgms, rifles or hmg's it shakes the screen.

Upon further testing now that I'm really paying attention to it, on FG it actually causes my crosshair to drift when just holding the guns for a while. Yet every other server besides FG has always been rock solid with no aim "recoil" realistic crap. Maiet had recoil that would make your accuracy bad, but never actually moved the crosshair like some CoD game.
10-27-2017
McSic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwin

it actually causes my crosshair to drift when just holding the guns for a while. Yet every other server besides FG has always been rock solid with no aim "recoil" realistic crap. Maiet had recoil that would make your accuracy bad, but never actually moved the crosshair like some CoD game.

Correct we added that. Recoil is unrelated to shake though, they're two seperate things.
10-27-2017
Qwin

Quote:

Originally Posted by McSic

Correct we added that. Recoil is unrelated to shake though, they're two seperate things.

>We Added more shit to make your player experience suffer
>We added more shit to make gunz an arcade game, realistic like a sim game.
Stop. Do I have make another thread to remove that too?

Also. I think they are more closely tied together than you think, since it only effects guns with control. both rockets and sgs have control ignored, and no shake happens.
10-27-2017
StephanM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwin

>We Added more shit to make your player experience suffer
>We added more shit to make gunz an arcade game, realistic like a sim game.
Stop. Do I have make another thread to remove that too?

Also. I think they are more closely tied together than you think, since it only effects guns with control. both rockets and sgs have control ignored, and no shake happens.

Do you read?
They will add an option to disable/enable it.
10-27-2017
Qwin

Quote:

Originally Posted by StephanM

Do you read?
They will add an option to disable/enable it.

Did you read?
McSic is only talking about the option to disable/enable shake and he thinks that's a separate code than the drifting crosshair.. Oh and by the way, I was wrong it effects all guns. Most obvious on sniper, but even the SG has it. This is such an asinine change now that I notice it, I cant even begin to grasp how it was approved over 2 years of coding.

According to McSic the drifting crosshair or jerking crosshair every time you fire, is " by design " for the game balance, it's not something that will be looked at to be enabled/disabled. I'm sorry but this is more 3rd rate game design decisions, programmers clearly cant design.

The visible rippling shake is caused by the jerking offset of the crosshair every time you fire. This needs to be removed as soon as possible, not "an option to disable/enable. Removed.
10-27-2017
Zaku

Quote:

Originally Posted by McSic

We could turn it into an option and disable it per default.

pz do it is very annoying when I shoot and the screen shakes, I would appreciate it..
10-27-2017
McSic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwin

Did you read?
McSic is only talking about the option to disable/enable shake and he thinks that's a separate code than the drifting crosshair.. Oh and by the way, I was wrong it effects all guns. Most obvious on sniper, but even the SG has it. This is such an asinine change now that I notice it, I cant even begin to grasp how it was approved over 2 years of coding.

According to McSic the drifting crosshair or jerking crosshair every time you fire, is " by design " for the game balance, it's not something that will be looked at to be enabled/disabled. I'm sorry but this is more 3rd rate game design decisions, programmers clearly cant design.

The visible rippling shake is caused by the jerking offset of the crosshair every time you fire. This needs to be removed as soon as possible, not "an option to disable/enable. Removed.

Oh I think it's a seperate piece of code?
They're not related. 2 seperate pieces of code. I would know because I added both.
I know you don't have access to the source and just happen to guess a lot. But just take our word for it.

Shake is becoming an option, recoil is not - that's a seperate thing.
Feel free to post a new thread once shake is gone and you happen to dislike recoil still.