Let's talk about it.

[Prone]

Obviously, there is need for some change here in the FGunZ server because something is keeping us from bringing our player count back up. I'd like to talk about a few things first that I believe should change so that we can make FG great again! So lets get started, ya?

First, I'd like to talk about our current staff. Ya'll doing great especially the GMs taking on all those unban appeals and Hacker & Player reports (Kudos to you). I thought about how there might be too many GMs for a server with not many people, but then I remember that its important to have just as many opinions as possible especially when it comes to unban appeals (Something I want to talk about later on) so theres nothing wrong there. So where does the problem lie? The ETs. Don't get me wrong, its not very motivating to host an event when only 4-8 people attend throughout the day, but I still believe that ALL ETs should be hosting an equal amount of time (unless reasons given). I ask that the higher ups look into the ETs activity and make a justified decision as to whos putting the most amount of work in comparison to whos not giving any at all. I'm not trying to fight with any of the ETs, I'm just trying to prove a point. You're more than welcome to state your opinion.

Spoiler!

Heres some pictures I took throughout the day to prove the inactiveness of ETs hosting despite them being online (I dont have any pics of the ETs being online, but I'm pretty sure people have seen them around).

Secondly, I want to talk about the player count. I want to keep this server alive as well as the other 40-60 players that are active throughout the day. I propose that we first start looking into the unban appeals and be a little more lax about how they are handled. Allow me to go into detail. Theres a great difference amongst the players who have been banned from just constant general harassment to obvious hacking. I ask that those that are anything but obvious hacking or anything in violation of the ToS are reconsidered to getting unbanned. They got banned for a reason, yes, but at this point losing a player is something that this server cant afford. I spoke with some players in game (names will remain anonymous) and many agreed that they stopped/would stop playing if a friend/someone they know got banned. That is the main reason I am suggesting this. I'm not saying to unban every player that deems their outcomes as "unjustified", but I ask that more thoughts are put into each unban appeal with the thought in mind of:
-How much they wish to return to fgunz
-How major was their offense
-How their unban would impact the player count
If all this is considered and its still believed that it wouldn't be right to unban said person, then the job is simply just being done as you were supposed to.

Lastly, lets talk about where FG is, where its headed, and where it could be headed. Right now, FG is in a good place, despite the low player count. I looked upon other GunZ communities and majority of them say that FG is the best (Obviously with our admins leading us), but the question lies as why are we still sitting at 30-60 players? Its only because there are other servers with more players so that attracts more players, even if said server isnt better. Players attract players, thats all there is to it. Take up my suggestions above and we might just attract said players then shall exponentially increase in player count. So where is it headed? If no actions are taking, we'd just be stuck in this current situation for god only knows how long. It wouldn't be entirely bad, but it wouldn't be recommended either, so lets just jump into where it could be headed, ya? If this works, we could steadily increase how many players we have on daily and possibly attract the attention of new developers (to ease the tension off our current ones) and make FG great again! Now I know this all sounds naive and yea theres also the possibility that it could take a turn for the worse, but. We dont have much to lose in my suggestion. Even if unbanning some players doesn't increase the player count it could still have a more positive impact on this server. How? Well, lets be honest. A lot of people are banned for pretty silly reasons, but I wont go into detail because I'm sure most people know what I'm talking about. I believe this server can make a comeback and I'm wanting to do whatever it takes to make that happen.

Everything I said is for the sake of bringing FG back to it's former glory. Thank you for reading.

[#1Chef]

Thanks for the effort you put in the thread, got one thing to outline though:

I'm not saying to unban every player that deems their outcomes as "unjustified", but I ask that more thoughts are put into each unban appeal with the thought in mind of:
-How much they wish to return to fgunz
-How major was their offense
-How their unban would impact the player count

I can't agree with your last point here, how a player's unban would impact playercount should never be a factor to take into consideration when dealing with an appeal. If we did that then it would be unfair, we'd basically be saying "you're famous so we should consider unbanning you", while people who aren't wouldn't have that privilege. Can't say I'm too fond of that.

We're actually a lot more lenient with unban appeals now than we were before due to this thread last year, people have constantly accused GMs of being too lenient and saying things like:



So when it comes to unbans I think nothing needs to be changed in that aspect.

[Prone]

Thanks for the effort you put in the thread, got one thing to outline though:



I can't agree with your last point here, how a player's unban would impact playercount should never be a factor to take into consideration when dealing with an appeal. If we did that then it would be unfair, we'd basically be saying "you're famous so we should consider unbanning you", while people who aren't wouldn't have that privilege. Can't say I'm too fond of that.

We're actually a lot more lenient with unban appeals now than we were before due to this thread last year, people have constantly accused GMs of being too lenient and saying things like:

https://i.imgur.com/fXA4Nln.png

So when it comes to unbans I think nothing needs to be changed in that aspect.

I mustve worded that wrong. Obviously, a player's fame should never be considered when doing an unban appeal. I only meant to view a possibility of having more players when said player is unbanned. In example, once one is unbanned they reach out to a friend (who potentially stopped playing since they were banned) and then so on. Obviously I'm not saying like "Go tell your friends to come to fg cause youre unbanned now", but like just the action alone should be enough to grab the attention of said friends. Sorry im kinda spinning in circles here I just have slight trouble explaining what im trying to say. All in all, I'm not asking for a complete reform of the unbans and I do get that its already more lenient as it is, but I'm more leaning towards being more lenient as to HOW they get banned. Obviously some things shouldnt be joked about and harassment is a serious thing even if its over the internet. I dont doubt any of the staff's ability to detect any hacks (although some may be more difficult to detect than others), but if even one person amongst the staff have the slightest thoughts that maybe the person making the appeal should be unbanned. I hope even that slight thought is taken to consideration.

[Mike]

Mate u tryna fire shots while I’m on holiday in Canada???

OT: As said many times before, we can’t forget the fact that a majority of the people not playing gunz anymore just have lives, jobs and families. I mean most of the staff started playing this game more than 10 years ago and we’re currently at an age where its difficult to maintain activity on a game like this. And yeah to keep and attract new players is difficult since GunZ is just a difficult game to get into, gotta put a lot of effort in it.

[Dave]

Problem with unban appeals is that probably 75% of the people lie about them using something (in case of hacking) or they bypassed their ban one or multiple times, we cannot be more lax if people lie or bypass.

Another problem is that a lot of people have grown up or started playing other games. Also, games like Fortnite have been growing massively in popularity among the young players which also impacted GunZ popularity. (since it had many young players as well, especially in certain countries)

[Prone]

Mate u tryna fire shots while I’m on holiday in Canada???

OT: As said many times before, we can’t forget the fact that a majority of the people not playing gunz anymore just have lives, jobs and families. I mean most of the staff started playing this game more than 10 years ago and we’re currently at an age where its difficult to maintain activity on a game like this. And yeah to keep and attract new players is difficult since GunZ is just a difficult game to get into, gotta put a lot of effort in it.

I did say unless reasons given though smh.

OT: I know that FG isnt the first thing on people's mind when they get out of work or spend time with their families. But in the same time many friendships were created here and some still remain friends even outside of FG. I'm just trying to defend a place they can come back to to reminisce.

Problem with unban appeals is that probably 75% of the people lie about them using something (in case of hacking) or they bypassed their ban one or multiple times, we cannot be more lax if people lie or bypass.

Another problem is that a lot of people have grown up or started playing other games. Also, games like Fortnite have been growing massively in popularity among the young players which also impacted GunZ popularity. (since it had many young players as well, especially in certain countries)

Ew fortnite. I mean yea its understandable that most people who play GunZ are more likely around 20+ yrs old at the very least, but that doesnt explain why other servers still have players. Everyone is trying to make their own private server when honestly we should all have our eyes on one and have one big server. The forum stats on FG are greater than any other server and it was the first one to catch my eye ever since Aeria (ijji) closed. Yea, some people unban appeals appear two-faced I know that just as much as the GMs. But I still strongly believe that GunZ can stay alive for a really long time because theres not really any copy for it. Its not a dead game, just outdated. I mean like look at games like Super mario maker right? Super mario world is a game older than GunZ many times over, but all they had to do was make it so that you can make your own maps and play in it freely and BAM its basically the same exact game. Any game could attract attention even if its just the most simplest, yet most requested change. I know the server may not have the manpower, but it does have the time. I have faith.

[Dante]

I spoke with some players in game (names will remain anonymous) and many agreed that they stopped/would stop playing if a friend/someone they know got banned.

Well, if a player got banned because they hacked or another reason and another player (their friends) says that they'd stop / would stop because they got banned, it's their loss, not ours.

[ImComming4U]

Well, if a player got banned because they hacked or another reason and another player (their friends) says that they'd stop / would stop because they got banned, it's their loss, not ours.

Yh but what if a popular clan has many players (which prob clanwars) ,and lets say the leader or their key player gets banned. Most if the known members in the clan would wanna quit the game along with the one banned. That then becomes 'server's' loss.

[Prone]

Yh but what if a popular clan has many players (which prob clanwars) ,and lets say the leader or their key player gets banned. Most if the known members in the clan would wanna quit the game along with the one banned. That then becomes 'server's' loss.

Thank you. Finally somebody who gets the point. Many thanks to you friend.

[Mike]

Yh but what if a popular clan has many players (which prob clanwars) ,and lets say the leader or their key player gets banned. Most if the known members in the clan would wanna quit the game along with the one banned. That then becomes 'server's' loss.

To anyone that leaves cuz their ‘leader’ got rightfully banned, you a loser