The problem with race-type events and a possible fix.

[Bunny]

This is not a new topic, race-type events and events where there are more or less the same winners every time are problematic and therefore some hosts limit the maximum wins in such an event to usually +3.
While this is highly unfair to the players this affects negatively due to the amount of time they had to spend (in the event itself) to get good enough, it's also unfair that those that didnt try as hard as them get to win with much less effort, because this rule used to not exist.

However, this is not the main point I would like to bring up, because it's known. The point of this debate thread is to discuss players's inability to practice for themselves outside of events, in an environment similar to the one done in an event.

I'm not sure that the hosts will ever pick up on this, but nearly every single round of lolrace nowadays ends with 1-2 people alive, one of them being the winner. I see this as a fundamental problem, because even if a limitation on the number of wins exists, it doesn't mean someone else will win, because heck, they cant even finish the map for themselves. Limiting a player that finishes's wins does nothing in this aspect.

I would like to recommend the addition of maps only allowed in the event channel aswell as ALL of the tags that were removed (for no reason) from the normal lobbies that were once available for players, so that players who wish to win race-type events can practice for themselves instead of crying to the host who initially didnt even want to limit the points, but has to because otherwise the majority would "hate" him.

As seen in the beginning of my stream, here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/526959928 (starting at the 2 minute mark)

This would allow the hosts to never limit the points, with the explanation that if a player wants to win, he should practice outside of events, as he now has the ability to.

(not to mention, adding those tags back would add once more an element to fgunz that truly makes it freestyle, and give way more options for players in every room type).

[DonFire]

yea i agree , maps like dodgeball and race should be added to normal game rooms also tags like G and S to allow players to test things if they want or practice

[StephanM]

yea i agree , maps like dodgeball and race should be added to normal game rooms also tags like G and S to allow players to test things if they want or practice

I disagree, the event maps should be unique and only get a play in events.

[Bunny]

I disagree, the event maps should be unique and only get a play in events.

that creates the problem of players complaining because other players who have been playing for years get an inherited advantage having played for a long time, and thus forcing staff members to limit the points that those players can win.

[StephanM]

that creates the problem of players complaining because other players who have been playing for years get an inherited advantage having played for a long time, and thus forcing staff members to limit the points that those players can win.

Replace current maps with new ones.
Gives people an equal foot.

[Bunny]

Replace current maps with new ones.
Gives people an equal foot.

Also a solution, but one that would require more work
Make the maps

[LostX]

I disagree, the event maps should be unique and only get a play in events.

Well, I really think that these tags could be added to normal rooms. Reasons:

1. People could do their own events. Let's be honest, there's some guys that do their own events gifting cosmetic items, lucky box items or coins, and the only event (or at least the few ones I've played from them) is Last Man Standing.
2. Fun on other modes. Why not? These tags can add a fact in normal modes (of course, some of these tags should be disable on PvP modes or the majority of them). And who knows, maybe some players can make some fun event ideas by testing these tags.
3. Train events out of event channel, and get some fun with the staff. I think all can train these events, like race-type events, dodgeball and others. And ET's could bring some fun with this.

Of course I understand what you mean by giving a unique experience and fun on events, but giving these tags to the players could be something really good.

[Bunny]

Of course I understand what you mean by giving a unique experience and fun on events

I agree with this, but unless the staff team is going to add something completely new (or tons of event ideas, like those i suggested), you (stephan) are not going to find anything unique in events. Unique is often discouraged which is why ets and gms that host constantly do the same 10 events, just look at the log yourself.
Thats exactly why players are complaining about the same racers every time--players dont get to play the maps and room tags themselves and so 80-90% of them cant even finish half the map.

[StephanM]

Two questions.

1. Can the race map be practiced in training mode?
2. Replace the Mario map with a new map? (one where you cannot die from falling down)

[Bunny]

Two questions.

1. Can the race map be practiced in training mode?
2. Replace the Mario map with a new map?

race map is not available outside of the event channel, and only staff members can create rooms there. The same goes for special tags (RTD, G0~300, S0~300, J0~300, SNO, RVO, SGO, NI, NG, NS, NC, NR..)
supermario cant be removed from race IMO, its existed there for years and it contains everything you need from a race map. More maps wouldnt hurt though (not skillmaps).