fix sg spread and hitbox

[McSic]

Suggestion type:
FGunZ


Suggestion description:
The overall cw experience in FG is just a really bad experience. At a high level, all players do in cw is camp and pot. There's no value in playing at a close range anymore because the damage is unreliable due to FG's shit sg spread and hitbox.

Examples of close range pbs doing no damage:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/682418399 - 1st shot = 9 dmg pb from close range
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/682571869 - 9 dmg pb from close range
I don't expect a full 100dmg+ shot in each of these clips but 9 dmg? Comeon. This is why everyone complains about the anti lead here. It's not the anti lead's fault but the shit sg spread and hitbox.

As shown in these clips, playing close range is extremely unreliable, and potting from afar becomes a much better alternative because it's easier to aim and with the sg spread here being so shit, potting does a lot of damage.

Examples of insane pot damage:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/682415956 - 3 shots from afar 99 dmg
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/682423959 - 1 shot from afar 72 dmg

As shown in the clips, potting does way too much damage. In these clips I was just camping/potting and was able to take away 40% of the hp/ap of the enemy who was RUSHING.

As a result, everyone whose good in cws just camps and pots which is frustrating for both the player and the opposing team. The joy in gunz comes from the adrenaline you get when you rush and have to constantly move and try to kill the enemy with as few shots as possible. With the insane pot damage that occurs in FG, everyone is just camping and potting and whoever rushes first has a huge disadvantage which just results in extremely passive gameplay. No one wants to play with/against this shit which is why a lot of cwers left.

How to fix this?
Fix sg spread and hitboxes so that they do less damage from longer range, and more consistent damage in close range. Change hp/ap so that people will rush more cause atm you just die in 2 shots.

Our hitbox is the original hitbox of GunZ unchanged. Whether that's good or bad is up for debate I guess. For the most part I would say that's good, and it's what every other server uses - except that some people that play on one specific other server too often get used to a modified larger hitbox

Yeah that first clip was really unlucky and wonky seeing how almost all bullets hit the ground below him when you shot him from above and very close at an angle, but in the 2nd clip you almost fully missed the target as you shot too late:



A wider spray and larger hitbox might help there and make up for it a bit, but a miss is a miss.

I don't think that increasing the hitbox size is something we really want to do. It is already bigger than the model in GunZ per default. Shotgun spray might be too tight though. Increasing the spray size would decrease damage in distance and help with close hits that aren't on point, so at least a couple more bullets should hit the target.

---- Edit ----

Regarding the 1 shot 72 dmg from afar clip:

I wouldn't say that this was "afar":

https://i.imgur.com/54Ysmjh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/APiOMk1.jpg

Regarding the 3 shots 99 dmg from afar clip:

1st shot did 9 dmg (as expected)
2nd shot did 45 (more than expected)
3rd shot did 45 (as expected) because I wouldn't say that the third shot was "afar":

https://i.imgur.com/9S2gEBZ.jpg

Nonetheless I could agree that the shotgun spray might be too tight and I would like to hear what other competitive players think of that.

[Akimbo]

Our hitbox is the original hitbox of GunZ unchanged. Whether that's good or bad is up for debate I guess. For the most part I would say that's good, and it's what every other server uses - except that some people that play on one specific other server too often get used to a modified larger hitbox

Yeah that first clip was really unlucky and wonky seeing how almost all bullets hit the ground below him when you shot him from above and very close at an angle, but in the 2nd clip you almost fully missed the target as you shot too late:

https://i.imgur.com/LnXKlIq.png

A wider spray and larger hitbox might help there and make up for it a bit, but a miss is a miss.

I don't think that increasing the hitbox size is something we really want to do. It is already bigger than the model in GunZ per default. Shotgun spray might be too tight though. Increasing the spray size would decrease damage in distance and help with close hits that aren't on point, so at least a couple more bullets should hit the target.

---- Edit ----

Regarding the 1 shot 72 dmg from afar clip:

I wouldn't say that this was "afar":

https://i.imgur.com/54Ysmjh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/APiOMk1.jpg

Regarding the 3 shots 99 dmg from afar clip:

1st shot did 9 dmg (as expected)
2nd shot did 45 (more than expected)
3rd shot did 45 (as expected) because I wouldn't say that the third shot was "afar":

https://i.imgur.com/9S2gEBZ.jpg

Nonetheless I could agree that the shotgun spray might be too tight and I would like to hear what other competitive players think of that.

I'll agree on 2nd close range clip. Just use these clips for futher reference (Replaced on original post)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM-Y6_6Wbsg (first pb 24dmg? no way)
https://youtu.be/oA7EYJ_N_pQ?t=22 (1 pb 27dmg yea i know he hits at right arm but feels dumb when u can pot from very long distance and still hit 27dmg)

3 shots 99 dmg i can agree with 2nd shot is bad though.

disagree with 1 shot 72dmg clip. i would call that far in my book should do 50 max.

Edited more clips on main post. Moving on, yea I think increase in sg spread would be better because there is more room for error in close range shots so it's harder to hit them where as in long range you don't have to move crosshair as much so easier to aim. Also increase hp/ap so people don't die in 2shots.