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    Bunnychaser's Avatar Severe Tire Damage

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    Originally Posted by popsicle View Post
    Are you kidding me? Say that to anyone who was under control by Soviet Union! That is if they follow your definition of communism.
    Just ask any Polish person -_- They had curfews.. Forced them to learn Russian. Lenin was pissed when he "saved" Poland from Germany
    and thought the countries would go communist with their country, which they didn't. In turn, he started to take control and there
    was little the other "super powers" could say or do about it due the special circumstances i.e. cold war. I know Poland and Russia has been
    at each other's necks back in 1800s/1900s. They "claim" Ukraine is their's. The Polish president along with military officials mysteriously died
    in an accident not too long ago on a plane with his wife when they went to go see a place in Russia that is said where they executed Polish
    people and have no records of the numbers, and their deaths was blamed on the smoke from the volcanoes? Or something like that? Hell no.
    We all know what happened. It's just undeniable because of the long hate. Even if they aren't officially communist, there's still a lot of tension today.
    I know I went over my head talking about other stuff, but like in this case.. They used harsh tactics along with fear to keep communism driving along until it collapsed
    thankfully on my birth year. Has there has been one instance where communism was used for "good" or put in a proper or good way so far in history? It's all been bloodshed.

    Am I not right? And what happened when parents said anything bad about the government or leaders?
    The kids had to snitch to the military or some official so they can take them away.
    And! To top it off. Communism was accomplish in Russia peacefully. They killed millions of their own people... And that goes no different for China.
    There's the huge distinction between democracy and communism. Democracy wasn't as bad as to sacrifice as communism did. And also the families involved with the communist government make up the majority of the wealthy.. Is that fair? Equal?

    Uhh maybe I'm talking a little out of context with "war"? Democracy may not be as pure as it once was, but it has/had the best way of living.
    Liberty or death, y'know? What's the point in living if you can't live the way you want? You're no different than being dead honestly.
    Also: People living in countries of the post-soviet union were rated in the lowest level of happiness globally compared to the other countries in the world.

    No, you are not right.

    A perfect communism does not exist, but I would prefer a perfect communism over a perfect democracy.
    I'm sure you would, too.

    "to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order."

    This means that everyone owns everything, and no one has power over another. You want to use your friend's Lamborghini? Sure! They want to borrow the keys to your house for a day? Sure! Why would you go against your neighbor for his stuff if you already have everything he has? Everyone works the same and earns the same money to buy the same items. You want to do your friends job? Sure! There's enough people in the world to do your job for the day, you can do your friend's! Everyone will work, because what else can you do? Go get drunk? No, in this perfect society, you have everything you want, what's the point in getting drunk? Forgetting about your fantastic life?
    This is the ultimate goal of communism. It is impossible in our world today, but if there is ever a possibility of it being achieved, consider me a communist.

    To follow up; socialism is not communism.

    Socialism is, 'You only get what you need.'
    Communism is, 'EVERYONE gets what they need AND what they want.'
    Communism is a perfect society, with a 'superabundance of material wealth.'

    "In Marxist theory, pure communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely associated individuals."
    Last edited by Bunnychaser; 04-17-2012 at 04:56 AM.
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    Originally Posted by Bunnychaser View Post
    No, you are not right.

    A perfect communism does not exist, but I would prefer a perfect communism over a perfect democracy.
    I'm sure you would, too.

    "to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order."

    This means that everyone owns everything, and no one has power over another. You want to use your friend's lamborghini? Sure! They want to borrow the keys to your house for a day? Sure!
    But no one would strive for a greater cause,since everyone is getting paid the same it would be pointles to be a doctor because you would receive the same pay as a guy who farms beans.

    I think if they had two classes one superior one regular,the government takes care of everyone(superior) and the public are thr regulars.

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    Originally Posted by Moh View Post
    But no one would strive for a greater cause,since everyone is getting paid the same it would be pointles to be a doctor because you would receive the same pay as a guy who farms beans.

    I think if they had two classes one superior one regular,the government takes care of everyone(superior) and the public are thr regulars.
    I edited my post to explain just this situation.

    Your idea is more of a socialist/totalitarian ideal.
    Totalitarianism is more of a 'Government says everyone gets 5$. Government says you work HERE and he works THERE.'

    You follow it because you are controlled by the mass media to believe it's an awesome idea! And if you don't XX happens. The government can do WHATEVER they want.
    Totalitarianism is quite literally TOTAL GOV'T CONTROL.
    Last edited by Bunnychaser; 04-17-2012 at 05:03 AM.
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    Oh i see now.

    Originally Posted by McSic View Post
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    Originally Posted by Bunnychaser View Post
    People didn't rebel against Hitler. Because if you didn't join the socialist party, you died.

    BTW: communism really isnt that bad.
    http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/08/qu...ist-party-usa/

    Communism does not imply any type of terrorism.

    If there was ANY type of Rebellion in Hitlers era, the rebellion would be shot and killed no questions asked.

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    Originally Posted by .Repent View Post
    If there was ANY type of Rebellion in Hitlers era, the rebellion would be shot and killed no questions asked.
    Because Hitler did not run a communist society.
    He ran a despotic socialist society.

    Note: The Nazi Party stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party.
    Last edited by Bunnychaser; 04-17-2012 at 05:18 AM.
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    Lol I think I learned something~ Well I once had an idea of communism in such a way.. But I'm just worried about the expectancy of our lives.
    Will we be happy if we had everything? If we all never got drunk and did everything willy nilly as it is said to be.. I just.. I can't imagine such a place.
    It sounds great.. But the end result is uncertain. With the idea of never getting drunk.. Does that have a strict law enforcing it that includes behaving a certain way?
    If not we will still slit each other's necks, otherwise, as it is hard to say seems like a dull life. Like how Moh put it... Don't we gotta strive for something?
    But as it just can only remain as an idea for something to exist in "perfection" it still seems a bit.. Missing something.. Taking stuff as you please doesn't seem like it
    has balance even though it is everyone's right. If you take something, you gotta give something. No doubt in my mind. Unless it's charity..
    I'll be back in 16~20 hours.

    You're very knowledgeable btw, where did you learn all this stuff?

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    Originally Posted by popsicle View Post
    Lol I think I learned something~ Well I once had an idea of communism in such a way.. But I'm just worried about the expectancy of our lives.
    Will we be happy if we had everything? If we all never got drunk and did everything willy nilly as it is said to be.. I just.. I can't imagine such a place.
    It sounds great.. But the end result is uncertain. With the idea of never getting drunk.. Does that have a strict law enforcing it that includes behaving a certain way?
    If not we will still slit each other's necks, otherwise, as it is hard to say seems like a dull life. Like how Moh put it... Don't we gotta strive for something?
    But as it just can only remain as an idea for something to exist in "perfection" it still seems a bit.. Missing something.. Taking stuff as you please doesn't seem like it
    has balance even though it is everyone's right. If you take something, you gotta give something. No doubt in my mind. Unless it's charity..
    I'll be back in 16~20 hours.

    You're very knowledgeable btw, where did you learn all this stuff?
    No, in a perfect communist society, there would be no laws. This is why it's impossible.

    Imagine a society where everyone's on weed 24/7.

    That's basically communism.
    Don't it always seem to go
    That you don't know what you've got
    Til its gone
    They paved paradise
    And put up a parking lot
    Hey, now they paved paradise
    To put up a parking lot.

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