Regarding the Snipers Nerf

[Jawarisin]

Hi,

There was recently a sniper nerf on the scope delay, from 300ms to 2s. I think it was the wrong kind of nerf and here's why.


First of all, the nerf that happened only affected people using 2 snipers. People using a single sniper are unaffected, and therefore, it's not a nerf to the weapon as much as a limiter to a play-style. People using two snipers are not as rare as they used to be before they were "tweaked", in fact, it can be fairly common to see a player with them in a room, but if we were to compare which weapon was mostly used, shotguns are (by a WIDE margin). The reason is simple, the spread makes it a forgiving weapon that still packs nearly -if not as much- damage than a sniper from up close, and is nearly guaranteed to hit at mid-range. It has a good ammo capacity and the delay is extremely small. In fact, this server probably has the strongest shotguns of any private server.
Snipers were brought up to be more competitive against them, rewarding quick aiming at the loss of certain moves. But it's clear, seeing how most players still used shotguns, that shotguns were still the "strongest"(relative) weapon, or at least, the one that gave you the advantage in most scenarios.

Because snipers could be used at great effect by someone who practiced aiming, some players got frustrated. Not because the weapon was overpowered (otherwise everybody would be using it), but because of how frustrating it is to get your HP from full to near-dead/dead (1/2 shot).

So, considering the aforementioned, I think snipers should have an increase in delay instead of an increase in scope delay. There is two reasons the nerf should be reverted and replaced by a delay-nerf.
First, it will affect the weapon itself, not a playstyle. Players with only one sniper will also be affected.
Secondly, increasing the delay will reduce the "spammability" of snipers, while not preventing them from scoping in/out to re-aquire the target.
And last but not least, running with two snipers will become viable again, allowing to chain another shot quickly if the first one missed/to finnish of the target - All while not being spammable due to delay.

Thank you for reading,
Jawarisin

[Traumatiser]

snipers was nerfed because it was being abused, no1 should be able to shoot 2 shots (each shot 100dmg) in 1 second.

they also said a thousand times their looking into this but it wont be going back to the original .300ms.

[Jawarisin]

I know they listen to logic, so I prefer to say it. Worst case is nothing happens.

[Mex]

Also i got 2 donor snipers and it's now felt like i wasted my coins because i could just shoot the same speed with 1 sniper and 2 snipers.
As in use 1 sniper and shoot the 3 ammo which is the same as 2 snipers and switching them.
why not SG users train sniping themselves? i suck with SGs so i found sniping as an alternating way of killing players, now the nerf ruined the fun.
it requires more training to be good with Sgss than sniping, so Un-nerf or Refund would be good.

[Banneed]

MeX right, you guys really need to Un-nerf the snipers or you refund each and every sniper player who bought sniper.

[StephanM]

I am pretty sure Dave mentioned in 50 other threads the delay is going to be a bit lower, but not back to 300 ms.

[Alpha]

Hi,

There was recently a sniper nerf on the scope delay, from 300ms to 2s. I think it was the wrong kind of nerf and here's why.


First of all, the nerf that happened only affected people using 2 snipers. People using a single sniper are unaffected, and therefore, it's not a nerf to the weapon as much as a limiter to a play-style. People using two snipers are not as rare as they used to be before they were "tweaked", in fact, it can be fairly common to see a player with them in a room, but if we were to compare which weapon was mostly used, shotguns are (by a WIDE margin). The reason is simple, the spread makes it a forgiving weapon that still packs nearly -if not as much- damage than a sniper from up close, and is nearly guaranteed to hit at mid-range. It has a good ammo capacity and the delay is extremely small. In fact, this server probably has the strongest shotguns of any private server.
Snipers were brought up to be more competitive against them, rewarding quick aiming at the loss of certain moves. But it's clear, seeing how most players still used shotguns, that shotguns were still the "strongest"(relative) weapon, or at least, the one that gave you the advantage in most scenarios.

Because snipers could be used at great effect by someone who practiced aiming, some players got frustrated. Not because the weapon was overpowered (otherwise everybody would be using it), but because of how frustrating it is to get your HP from full to near-dead/dead (1/2 shot).

So, considering the aforementioned, I think snipers should have an increase in delay instead of an increase in scope delay. There is two reasons the nerf should be reverted and replaced by a delay-nerf.
First, it will affect the weapon itself, not a playstyle. Players with only one sniper will also be affected.
Secondly, increasing the delay will reduce the "spammability" of snipers, while not preventing them from scoping in/out to re-aquire the target.
And last but not least, running with two snipers will become viable again, allowing to chain another shot quickly if the first one missed/to finnish of the target - All while not being spammable due to delay.

Thank you for reading,
Jawarisin

Attempting to write an essay doesn't address your concern when your argument is flawed in the first few paragraphs, "up close" snipers do the same damage far away,
the advantage of distance with a high powered weapon, along with practically zero delay time is welcoming abuse, and you're trying to justify your use of it.

[Syzygy]

want to spam use revs

[Buddhism]

want to spam use revs

word dunn mighty

[Sonji]

Snipers4HP/AP Reduce

If snipers can kill us in 2 hits we should be able to kill snipers in 2 hits too ok