[Suggestion Discussion] Clans/The Competitive

[Syzygy]

Before reading
Please take note that these suggestions are general, and they are not aimed at directly at specific features of FG that need to be 'fixed.' My suggestions about specific content is my opinion and subject to change by the discussions of the thread
The blue color is my opinion of GunZ and how it should have been/should be today, not considering private servers.
The orange is how content of the specific server, in this thread FG, could add to the original to improve.

So I've been thinking recently about why I like GunZ, (specifically 'GunZ 1.0' aka GunZ: The Duel [any server really]) compared to why I like Freestyle Gunz and FreestylersWorld, and the two are separate. I have liked GunZ for the past few years for the competitive aspect of the game, as in the TDM/Clanwar + Clan function in gunz. Recently the competitive aspect in the game has also become personal ranking (k/d, exp, achievements or etc..) and also a possible ladder match system option to further advance personal/team skill merit.

The reason I like freestyle gunz and FreestylersWorld is because it's kind of a 'for fun' community anyway, most people aren't even that serious about/don't have time to be serious about gunz and don't mind to see the game warp in the 'wrong direction' or like the new game (aka FG v7) and are just there to have fun with the game.

I could go on about this second part of gunz and its possibilities (as in terms of Freestyle Gunz) but it's kind of a dead point because GunZ 2 is coming out anyway, if anyone hasn't noticed. Maybe I'll talk about it some other time, but to further discuss this 'competitive' side to GunZ.

Suggestions to improve Competitive Aspects
Basically self-explanatory. I'm really speaking in terms of the meta GunZ vs. FG V7, or in other words, the metagame of the server.

First off, I truly believe there is a balance issue with the weapon damage/general power to health ratio in the current version of FG that needs to be considered. It has been brought up before, in terms of shotguns at least. Basically, looking at it at in terms of technical, meta game versus realistic weapon damage, gunz has never been realistic. It has always been about map/speed control and out-aiming your opponent, while also staying alive for as long as possible. So the fairer the weapons, and also the closer to the meta gameplay, the better.
-I realize this would mean a huge balance of basically all the weapons in FG, or at least taking all the weapons into consideration.
-I really think the damages of weapons gets in the way of competitive gaming
-I think most of the guns in FG, especially shotguns need a bit of nerf to account for anti-lead aim change (slow the game back down, closer to meta)
-I think delay of shotguns needs to be seriously considered, as well as the delay of any other weapon, or any other imbalance issue at all, really.


Second, I think there should be more effort to increase personal and team merit in general, since win-lose features seems to get in the way of having fun on the competitive side of gunz, specifically FGunz in this instance.

1.I think there could be more clanwar options, that almost act like room modifiers. The biggest one would be anti-lead and lead.

*I'm not implying these would all get used a lot if implemented today, I'm saying as if we had a big community, so there was a lot of competition to play the game in general.
Things like:
-k-style/animation cancel disabled(meta game) matches
-FPS(non-kstyle) and fun weapons enabled (unbalanced, 'for fun' matches, could include balanced version of snipes and other 'nonmeta' weapons)
-I don't have a lot of ideas for this, but as for now less variety is better I suppose. This list could easily be added to though.


My third idea, which is probably the most bizarre but best in my opinion, is make the game generally less pay-to-play and more 'for fun/self-sustainable'.

How, you ask?
-If you made the weapon system more balanced, you could lessen the number of items in the shop(in-game) and make the items in the online item shop more affordable and encourage customization/cool weapons and style in GunZ.
-The reason this is my favorite idea because it would increase customization and user input/personality in GunZ.
-You could hold events every once in a while for the community to produce their own [item/set of choice.]
-There could be large credits toward the item shop rewarded for these events.
-Gives people a reason to stick around/give back to the server.
-Anyway, it's just an idea.




So yeah, I've just been considering why I like games so much(specifically GunZ), and why I like Freestyle so much. and this is what it came down to.

-For the record, yes I play gunz too much, no, I'm not that great. get over it, I like the game!
-This thread isn't to argue about skill or get toxic/fight, please keep it on topic.
-Serious suggestions here people, mind the thread title and don't give me that tl;dr shit.

This is a discussion, so I'll probably update/change this post if people are seriously willing to discuss this and I have the will to update it


Cont.

Sorry if it seems like I'm skipping out on you DDaggerDD, I don't mean to. I agree, that is what I mean, attract devoted players through applying more of the 'meta content', which would of course mean keeping all the new features balanced, which is how the original game was meant to be, and of course every good and populated game has balanced features. This way gunz could invite new players to try content based on a change in the meta and also a competitive meta challenge to attract players who have played the game before, or are interested in trying the meta content that has always kept the game competitive.
-By the way, you're totally right, this whole thread is basically just a big speculation. I'm just wondering.


I guess it's a weird discussion to suggest, but I guess it's really one of The Future of GunZ, not including GunZ 2. Is it still worth adding to as an online game?

-In my opinion, the best way to make gunz less time consuming (People play a few matches a day, and then get off, rather than long periods of play time) but just as fun is to cut back on the "Playstyle/win/lose" while making it just as 'competitive' and also more sustainable over time, which would mean making the game pay-to-play in a way that doesn't profit the player/gamer too much but also doesn't do much for the 'Server' but add sustainability.
-This would also include some way of -adding user submitted content- such as maps/items/weapons/clothing
-get the content through holding forum events, or having a section of the forum that is dedicated to 'user submitted content', maybe create some sort of player test server so that the 'user submitted content' could be looked at, tested, and judged by the FG community itself. This would probably only be for maps and other real 'meta changing' content updates.


Quote Originally Posted by SheS3xyGirl
"Maybe we fail to "fix" something due to trying to fix the wrong thing.

Instead of paying attention to the weapons, take another approach; the biggest problem that these powerful weapons have is that they kill you very quickly. A LOT quicker than they should.

What if we changed the dynamic of how HP/AP works? Maybe AP/HP changes with levels? Some sort of build in HP/AP growth. And yes, I understand the point of "Then lvl 99 will have the most HP and crazy weapons". Well, this is true. But that's the point of the balance. Make it so it takes more levels per HP/AP increase, this way the longest gap between 60-99 will not be more than 12-20HP and AP difference. This would compensate for weapon strength while giving a higher level still a purpose in the gun and health advantage."

-I agree with you too, on that entire post. That's one aspect of the meta that doesn't need to change, the level system and how it is balanced in terms of damage-to-health ratio.




Sorry if this thread is a bit messy, it's real late and I'm gonna go to bed now. I've just been trying to make a point.

thanks for the relevant input, everyone who's participating.

By the way, if anyone cares enough, I might start a poll on the original post to vote for the 'most important' suggestions. I just want to know that others see my point and would agree.

If nobody cares, well I guess I'll take my 'argument' elsewhere in the gunz community. I like this game, I think it's worth improving on.

[Taint]

Or
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Here is what you can do
Suggest it here instead of making a new thread
https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...estions-Thread

[Sonji]

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Here is what you can do
Suggest it here instead of making a new thread
https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...estions-Thread

He wants people to discuss it '-'

[Taint]

He wants people to discuss it '-'

This will lead to spamming, there is not reason to discuss it tbh, wouldn't do anyone good, suggesting would be better since its not a waste of time and doesn't include discussion (long-term wise)

[Syzygy]

Or
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Here is what you can do
Suggest it here instead of making a new thread
https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...estions-Thread

Rid the world of ignorance! There you go. Forum mod to you, sir!
Actually, maybe I'd like to talk about something instead of 'submitting a suggestion,' sorry about that, guy.

Quote from that thread:
(The old thread has been archived, a new thread since the old one got kinda long and there were alot of repeats since nobody would read previous posts anyways.)

Please just read, discuss, and keep on topic. If the server, community included, is aimed towards improving the server, we would just stay within the thread topic.

This will lead to spamming, there is not reason to discuss it tbh, wouldn't do anyone good, suggesting would be better since its not a waste of time and doesn't include discussion (long-term wise)

What you are doing, sir, is adding to the spam of the thread. This isn't a suggestion as you are thinking, the whole point is that I'm speaking of the long-term and you aren't discussing, but adding to the off-topic and spam of this thread.

To clarify, please don't add spam to this discussion. If it's off-topic, don't post. Leave the moderating to the mods.

[1mike1]

I refuse to read this until you strip the ugly colors and crazy text.

[DDaggerDD]

wth, yall needa stop saying crap like "go use suggestion thread" cant tell the difference from a review and a single section suggestion.

P.s. apex, i read the whole thing, but on my phone, ill reply wen i get to a pc, good review, we all know pay to win (making weapoms not only better in web shop, but hugely better is one of the most laziest ways i know to think of a strategy to sustain a game. Also you touch on competitiveness vs fun, ill do a legit reply but, bout that part, i dont like comparing the two, classifying playing to get better means that player isnt doing that all because its fun to them. I know you're not saying that but anytime anyone compares competitiveness to "just for fun" -- as if the player playing to get better isnt doing it just for fun. As you said, you like that part of the game, fun for you right? Soo, "just for fun" aint even a topic because people play competitively just for fun. So instead of thinking like: gotta add "just for fun" more into "competitive play"-- since they arent comparable topics, be straight up like: how can we make the game more fun in general.

Remember, the goal for competitive play to succeed is to have players/teams always have fun win or lose, aim for that. Remember those times in animes or even in games and you see goku losing but he had an awesome fight because his opponent wasnt like OP OP bettet than him that he can have a decent fight. Or too weaker than him that its just him dropping. Because then the guy losing badly would not be havin a good fight. It does come down to match ups like it or not. Remember those fights u have you even draw sometimes or have a clanwar go on forever because of sraws or something? Good times right? Win or lose. Imagine trying to learn to play league o legends for the first time and the auto match system goes down but everyone still plays, or theres no auto match to begin with. How could you focus and try to even play if u can play since ur getting owned? Like in beyblade, if tyson was matched up against a decent guy in finals, but not a pro (doesnt end up fighting kai some how) tyson wouldnt be havif too much fun and if thats the type of opponents the decent guy fights everytime, or just often, he would lose interest over time.

So wen it comes to gunz competitive play, in regards to what I said above, the interest of these players is on a rollercoaster.

[Syzygy]

I refuse to read this until you strip the ugly colors and crazy text.

that's an irrelevant and useless post, if you're too lazy to read than please just go. I'll make my posts as I see fit. the colors are for clear understanding, if anyone would take the time to read the actual post. jeez.

edit: If you have a problem with the colors/text style of the original post, that's your problem? just pretend they're not there. I don't know what to tell you. It's to help for understanding of the post. You'd see that if you read.

If you don't want to look at it then don't. that's all.

really all it is, is to show the organization/my thought process. for those of you who can't/don't want to follow, the blue is my opinion of GunZ itself and the orange color is my opinion of Freestyle Gunz and/or the gunz private server in general. it's all really just my opinion, in case anyone was interested. I'm not saying I'm right about it.

-the big words are important

[Johnny]

Taint just wants to up his post count.

Easy Greg . I honestly don't think the weapons are unbalanced... 9 damage shotguns without donating are widely available, just with -1 ammo and a little higher of a delay. The limitbreaker is a bonus shotgun, and should remain that way. One more damage is not that big of a deal. Compared to other servers that offer 200/200+ HP/AP and 8/8 clips of med with donations, this server is fairly balanced in my opinion (ex. The minimum HP/AP here is 128/110 and the max is 139/119, not that big of a difference).

[Taint]

Taint just wants to up his post count.

Easy Greg . I honestly don't think the weapons are unbalanced... 9 damage shotguns without donating are widely available, just with -1 ammo and a little higher of a delay. The limitbreaker is a bonus shotgun, and should remain that way. One more damage is not that big of a deal. Compared to other servers that offer 200/200+ HP/AP and 8/8 clips of med with donations, this server is fairly balanced in my opinion (ex. The minimum HP/AP here is 128/110 and the max is 139/119, not that big of a difference).

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i totally want to "up" my post count