How I currently see FGunZ

[Kira]

Thank you sama.

Relating back to room tags being an issue for the competitive scene, what do you guys think of that claim?

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So glad to see so many fortune tellers predicting the death of a server with peak player count today (Thursday 4/24) exceeding 315.

Look at it this way, FGunZ is not a competitive server, you know this, I know this, we all know this. We have room tags like [R] and [IA] and we also have custom game modes that other servers have tried to emulate. Now unlike other servers we are original and different and I am going to make damn sure it's kept this way.

Collectively if 300 people can play FGunZ with no problems, and continue to come back day in and day out, we are doing something right that they enjoy. So what if YOU don't enjoy it, the universe does not revolve around you or the vocal minority of people and I will not change it to fit your needs no matter what false promises you make such as "it will raise the player count." No it won't because you're the same people saying FGunZ is dying, when clearly it isn't. And to be 100% honest, if you want FGunZ to conform and be like any other server who took out any kind of reload tag or whatever you're trying to achieve, how about you make a thread here, leave FGunZ and play that server instead. I'd rather lose a few players who couldn't get something their way than lose the people who have no problem with the game and want to play it like it currently is.

I will improve the game by adding new features, new content, and tweaking existing things. I will not remove or restrict an element of game play because you want it that way. You have options in gameplay, and you have choices, use them as you see fit but respect how others want to play as well.

Maybe look through all the pages because an developer already answered it '-'.

[DDaggerDD]

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Maybe look through all the pages because an developer already answered it '-'.

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answered? thats just his opinion. Doesn't mean i shouldn't ask what other people think of room tags just cause one staff member said their opinion on them as well.

Anyway, whats your opinion if you havent mentioned it already?

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basically this.

[Wucas Pls]

As I have said before, channels with roomtags will conflict with future developments.

[DDaggerDD]

As I have said before, channels with roomtags will conflict with future developments.

are you saying a channel that is actually controlled by one overlooking "room tag"? because, if there was a way to just have a separate channel where room tags could not be used, well i honestly can't say what I think this would do, mainly because I do not know what is the defined issue regarding room tags and competitiveness in fgunz. I know players have said many things they believe is wrong with room tags but there has not been a defined issue as far as I know. So coming up with any ideas about some undefined shape would be meaningless imo.

[Wucas Pls]

are you saying a channel that is actually controlled by one overlooking "room tag"? because, if there was a way to just have a separate channel where room tags could not be used, well i honestly can't say what I think this would do, mainly because I do not know what is the defined issue regarding room tags and competitiveness in fgunz. I know players have said many things they believe is wrong with room tags but there has not been a defined issue as far as I know. So coming up with any ideas about some undefined shape would be meaningless imo.

Any changes to channels at all will cause problems with other updates.

[Eddie]

Anyway, whats your opinion if you havent mentioned it already?

Don't be intimidated by the wall of text that I already posted several pages back. Anyway, to spare you the trouble of searching, here's my opinion:

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Basically what I thought would be best. Sucks Wucas says it interferes with future development though. Though I don't see why people are saying the community splitting is a bad thing. Either way, the community is split anyways, just indirectly. There are people who play for all different reasons. The ones who don't mind or enjoy the room tags, the ones who hug CWs all day and make their own rooms with no room tags whatsoever, the questers, the infected players, etc etc etc. It may as well be split in a way that gives a majority of the people what they want, and keeps the community player count somewhat in tact. Would you rather the community split, but a majority of the players stay and get what they want in their own channel ? Or favor towards one side that could potentially drive away several players ? All based on the assumption that "X side will bring so many players back?" Ehh.. idk. I don't really see any other logical solutions to this problem, and I can't really give any opinion or suggestion on that since I don't know what these "future development plans" are. I'd like to see what other players come up with though.

Roomtags.
Roomtags ruined fgunz.
''More customabillity makes people more picky, thus seperating the server.''
People who want to play gunz, can't because people think they need [r] to get players to their room.
A person with a sniper is less likeley to join a room witouth [r] because it's less over powered there.
[DMG3] is stupid in infection mode and lets people camp. People just play infection mode because of the EXP.
You should remove [r] tag for two months and you would see that people would join again and people would get decent but I guess thats too late now.

Yes, these room tags have stirred up a problem, but not a problem for EVERYONE. Not EVERYONE feels the same way about the [R] tag. Not EVERYONE'S goal in GunZ is to be skilled/"decent." Many like the balance and competitiveness without the [R], [IA], [DMG3], whatever tag you wanna throw in there. Many play just to relax and enjoy time with their friends in a non-competitive environment. Many enjoy gameplay with those "overpowered" advantages because that's what they find fun. Sure a lot of people might flock back to this server with a removed [R] tag, but a **** of a lot of people will also flock away from the server because they find fun in the [R] tag and it's what keeps them active. So what's there to say about those people ? That they can just "go screw ?" Lol..

Why [R] is bad.

People leave fgunz because of it, and people don't join because of it.
People turn bad, fgunz is a server full of bad players the only thing letting me stay is clanwars for the rewards.
Infection mode is overpowered by [DMG3] by it self, but adding [R] is just ridiculous.
They decided to keep [r] so I left fgunz and will just play for clanwars.

Again, not everyone is centered towards one view on these kind of things. There are people who find fun in the overpowered [DMG3] and in the [R] tag, just like there are the group of people who despise them and want them removed. So... have it removed, get your way, assume people will be content and try to change for the better (I.E. focusing on skill and working towards getting better) ? Eh... again, not everyone plays GunZ for the same reasons.

Flame/Spam.
I don't see why this honestly matters.
The only times people report is when they hate the person saying it because they know fgunz takes this bullshit too seriously.
Imagine no one would give a shit about flame/spam, you would think everyone would do it?
At the start if you guys woudn't care about it anymore yes but after a while.
Wrong, people woudn't report and they woudn't even give a shit. It's just how people think now because everyone does it.
Sometimes it's not even directed towards them, like what the ****.
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He could've chosen to either block wishper, or just type /ignore.
I'm aware of the fact ignore fades off when you relog but, the chance is very small that he wishpers you again when you relog.
People shoudn't be butthurt too fast, and most of the time they just report because they hate the person personally.

This I agree that not all reports are done with the intent of the greater good. Most of it is just "ew... I don't like this person because he/she trolls or called me a noob or blah blah blah. I'm gonna seek my revenge by stalking his/her every move, quickly read up on some rule I didn't even pay attention to while I registered, and report him/her for that." BUT, if people "didn't get butthurt so fast," that would basically condone lines of spam to a certain extent, people would abuse it and take advantage of it knowing they can't be penalized, and would take away from maintaining order. Yes there's an ignore command, but come on. Many people are just lazy as shit and refuse to go out of their way for things.

FGunZ is dead?
FGunZ will die, skill level isn't so good because of the [r] tag and the small groups of players.
''Questers, infection players, [r] room players, CW'rs''
I know atleast 20 people who left in the last month because of the bad skill level, [R], bad rooms.
I will continue to play fgunz and report people who are unlegit just for that fact that I think fgunz is the best server balanced wise.
Not to mention the great developers, wucas makes epic stuff.

All things that live must come to an end at some point. And also again (3rd time now I believe xD), not everyone works towards the same personal goal in GunZ of being skilled and a "decent" gunner (gunning is what these debatable room tags revolve around, hence why I excluded gladiators and other styles). And again, there are players who find joy in questing, playing infected with [DMG3], and playing with [R] because it allows them to customize the gameplay to THEIR liking, and to attract those who share their same feelings.

Reports against certain players.
Think of isrealis, or people who get reported alot.
Most of the time they do hack but need multiple reports before they get banned for no actual reason it takes way too long.
I suggest they get instantly banned and a pc-check.
I get that it might be alot of work, but if you look like people as ^7Visual^4..
I told Lorraine to report him once she did, thank you but it got declined?
The second time I reported him it took 1 week and nothing happend..
Then ommadawn also reported him and finally he got banned..
It took 1 month after I said he esped before he got banned, I hope he had fun with his earned money from clanwars with being unlegit .

Odds are if you find joy in hacking and all that shit, you're going to be a repeat offender. If nothing is done one time, or they only get away with a warning, there will be other opportunities. That's the beauty of the punishment system. Multiple offenses lead to worse punishments. Do I think illegitimate players who ESP and use all sorts of hacks should be immediately banned ? Yes. But there's not always credible evidence, and not every GM uses the same type of thinking/reasoning when handling reports.

The rest of your points I kept out because I either don't have enough knowledge to form a decent opinion on them, or they were more personal matters between you and friends/enemies.



tl;dr - The main emphasis in this thread is the room tags that "unbalance" and take away from players' skill. Basically this is the vibe your points give me. "I dislike X. A lot of other people dislike X. It seems only logical to remove X. Oh ? The people who like X ? They'll get used to the change and they'll be fine with it, don't worry !" Lol.. if that's so, it's not really fair to jump to a conclusion based on an assumption. Not everyone plays this game for the same reason of working towards being "truly skilled" and playing competitively. There are people who come to just chill out in training rooms, not worrying about skill or K/D or competitiveness, and just having fun. Hell there are people who log in just for their ****ing clan to sit there and talk all day. There are also people who find joy in the "unbalancing" room tags, in the quest rooms, and all that jazz. That's how they personalize their gaming experience to their liking, and to the liking of people who share the same views.

Taking away X for Group 1 who generally agree around the same viewpoints just seems selfish to me.

Also, I don't think people should just ignore other players' views on this matter because it doesn't agree with the main point of this thread. How do we as a community expect to find a solution to the problem at hand when there are people being stubborn and blocking out players' perspectives ?

[slugheady]

People who think the servers dying make me laugh.

I hope you all realize that Fgunz was at under 100 player count about 3 years ago. It's had peaks and drops constantly since it's been around.

I don't see fgunz dying for a long time. Don't ask me why, because gunz is an outdated game, but fgunz just seems to stay around regardless of what happens to it; through shutdowns and everything.

Yes you're right that we had a low player count a long time ago, and that's back up again. But don't just look at fgunz, look at the bigger picture, gunz in general. Even official servers have been closing, the total amount of players for this game isn't that high anymore. And I bet that on a monthly basis we have more people quitting the game then joining the game, thats why I think it's dieing. And that would also be one of the reason to not exclude that competitive element in this server. I say try to have both, try thinking of every possibility to keep that competitive element in here, make it grow, attract older players to maybe have a chance at some tournaments and cw's. At least give it a shot and don't just stick with what there is now.

[Eddie]

Yes you're right that we had a low player count a long time ago, and that's back up again. But don't just look at fgunz, look at the bigger picture, gunz in general. Even official servers have been closing, the total amount of players for this game isn't that high anymore. And I bet that on a monthly basis we have more people quitting the game then joining the game, thats why I think it's dieing. And that would also be one of the reason to not exclude that competitive element in this server. I say try to have both, try thinking of every possibility to keep that competitive element in here, make it grow, attract older players to maybe have a chance at some tournaments and cw's. At least give it a shot and don't just stick with what there is now.

Almost everything slowly dies eventually, just saying. I think a big reason you claim to see more leaving than joining is because GunZ is difficult to attract brand new players, emphasis on brand new. Mostly players come from other servers or they return after not playing for a long time. Yes, we should find innovative ways to bring those people back or attract those other players here, but in a way that doesn't alter how a certain group of people play the game. You say "don't just stick with what there is now." From what I see, the problem with that is that a majority don't want to keep what we have and add something different. They want to REMOVE parts of what we have. That's where the problem lies. If you take away part of what "makes the game" for certain players, you basically take away the game from them. We all customize this game to our own liking, and that's the best part.. we have that freedom to do so. We don't HAVE to make this a competitive game. We can choose to sit in a relaxing training room with no hassle of waiting to reload, or to go quest with our buddies, or go play infected. OR if we want to make things competitive, we can make a duel room with no room tags, hell any game mode with no room tags for that matter, or we can go clan war.

If you want my honest opinion, I think what we have now is okay for now (both competitive and non-competitive sides), but we should still find innovative ideas to attract more people. I just think the competitive players who are upset don't make the best out of what we're "sticking with now." Competitive players that are upset are free to make ANY game mode they like with NO ROOM TAGS. They can make just as many rooms as there are with [R] tags. You can do DM, TDM, Gladiator, Team Gladiator, Duel, the list goes on. AND they can even clan war where room tags aren't even an option, something non-competitive players who prefer the [R] tag don't get. And from what I understand, THEY GET CASH ****ING MONEY FROM CLAN WAR. What's the problem ? Not enough competitive people ? That's now how I see it at least. I think there's plenty of them. Just most don't want to make the best out of what there is already. Just want more, and are trying to do so by taking away what "makes the game" for other players. I apologize if this seems a little close-minded. I tried to stay as open as possible, but this is basically what I'm gathering from the posts I read and the opinions I see. I know this isn't how every individual member feels, but it seems to be what most are generally centering around.

[slugheady]

Almost everything slowly dies eventually, just saying. I think a big reason you claim to see more leaving than joining is because GunZ is difficult to attract brand new players, emphasis on brand new. Mostly players come from other servers or they return after not playing for a long time. Yes, we should find innovative ways to bring those people back or attract those other players here, but in a way that doesn't alter how a certain group of people play the game. You say "don't just stick with what there is now." From what I see, the problem with that is that a majority don't want to keep what we have and add something different. They want to REMOVE parts of what we have. That's where the problem lies. If you take away part of what "makes the game" for certain players, you basically take away the game from them. We all customize this game to our own liking, and that's the best part.. we have that freedom to do so. We don't HAVE to make this a competitive game. We can choose to sit in a relaxing training room with no hassle of waiting to reload, or to go quest with our buddies, or go play infected. OR if we want to make things competitive, we can make a duel room with no room tags, hell any game mode with no room tags for that matter, or we can go clan war.

If you want my honest opinion, I think what we have now is okay for now (both competitive and non-competitive sides), but we should still find innovative ideas to attract more people. I just think the competitive players who are upset don't make the best out of what we're "sticking with now." Competitive players that are upset are free to make ANY game mode they like with NO ROOM TAGS. They can make just as many rooms as there are with [R] tags. You can do DM, TDM, Gladiator, Team Gladiator, Duel, the list goes on. AND they can even clan war where room tags aren't even an option, something non-competitive players who prefer the [R] tag don't get. And from what I understand, THEY GET CASH ****ING MONEY FROM CLAN WAR. What's the problem ? Not enough competitive people ? That's now how I see it at least. I think there's plenty of them. Just most don't want to make the best out of what there is already. Just want more, and are trying to do so by taking away what "makes the game" for other players. I apologize if this seems a little close-minded. I tried to stay as open as possible, but this is basically what I'm gathering from the posts I read and the opinions I see. I know this isn't how every individual member feels, but it seems to be what most are generally centering around.

I respect your opinion and somewhat agree with it, mostly. I'm not saying we should remove any roomtags etc. The reason I emerged myself in this discussion is the attitude of Mike, you can read his reply a few pages back. You can read my response on that as well, and then you'll understand my whole position in this subject.

[Shank]

As i have mentioned plenty of times...the problem with fg is cw. Roomtags are fine as they are optional.