[S] [H] [L] shotguns

[McSic]

I don't think that the complete removal of Light/Standard/Heavy Shotgun categories is the best way to go. But if that were to be done, IA (Infinite Ammo) and R (Instant Reload) should also be re-added since people also bring that up as

a big factor you lost alot of people

[LizaSoberano]

yes mcsic

[Traumatiser]

I don't think that the complete removal of Light/Standard/Heavy Shotgun categories is the best way to go. But if that were to be done, IA (Infinite Ammo) and R (Instant Reload) should also be re-added since people also bring that up as

yeah it is the complete removal is the best way to go about it.. and I dont see how that being removed means infinite ammo and instant reload is needed to be added but sure if it will gain 20-30 more players go for it tbh but yea just light/standard/heavy into 1 category and add IA ( reload ) and balance the sgs with the dmgs I gave while giving lbx a slight boost considering its hte recent (ultra 'rare') sg so people dont cry about the money they spent even though I wouldnt care having both lbs if they were both the exact same and equivalent to even donors but some people would cause they need every advantage they can get (cough those people are you yes the questers of this server) the actual half decent community want equality and proper balance.

anyway yeah

[#1Chef]

yeah it is the complete removal is the best way to go about it.. and I dont see how that being removed means infinite ammo and instant reload is needed to be added but sure if it will gain 20-30 more players go for it tbh but yea just light/standard/heavy into 1 category and add IA ( reload ) and balance the sgs with the dmgs I gave while giving lbx a slight boost considering its hte recent (ultra 'rare') sg so people dont cry about the money they spent even though I wouldnt care having both lbs if they were both the exact same and equivalent to even donors but some people would cause they need every advantage they can get (cough those people are you yes the questers of this server) the actual half decent community want equality and proper balance.

anyway yeah

I think what he meant was that both these reason were seen as "big factors" that affected player count, therefore if one should get done, so should the other. I don't really agree with it since IA and R have been implemented in certain modes such as Infected, CTF and Turbo already. The replacement being Ammo Drop I think has worked out quite nicely.

Anyway in regards to the SG Re-balance, it would be interesting to see a chart that shows the delay / damage of the shotguns both in-game and donor with changes that make things balanced.

[Avenge]

I don't think that the complete removal of Light/Standard/Heavy Shotgun categories is the best way to go. But if that were to be done, IA (Infinite Ammo) and R (Instant Reload) should also be re-added since people also bring that up as

Hey dont readd R IA please. it's bad enough that you the occasional CW here and there but it's ONLY a large garden room, 1-3 atk n def rooms, 1-3 duel rooms, 1 training, and that's it. If it was to be re implemented, it should ONLY apply to Training rooms. Not TEAM training(cuz then they'll gladly make rooms just to spam zzz) but training rooms.

the L/H/S notion makes no difference. Changing it means nothing. Keeping things at 1000 delay keeps it SKILL based. Especially with the new shotgun spread being added that would be horrific.. Literally spamming at 850 delay getting pbs from mid range. McSic + Dave, take it from someone who gives a dam about competition.... You're doing fine with just adjusting the antilead/sg spread situation.

WHAT U SHOOOOUUULDDDDDDD do is disable the TDM function so everyone can cw and make it a comp based server again. Idk. Just a nudge to make players cw more

[Lawri]

WHAT U SHOOOOUUULDDDDDDD do is disable the TDM function so everyone can cw and make it a comp based server again. Idk. Just a nudge to make players cw more

Just listen to yourself lmao

[Avenge]

Just listen to yourself lmao

Garden TDM 24/7 *shrug*

[Shang]

WHAT U SHOOOOUUULDDDDDDD do is disable the TDM function so everyone can cw and make it a comp based server again. Idk. Just a nudge to make players cw more

Gain 5-10 people lose 40+ best idea ever. U can't force people to play competitively. If you remove TDM they will just play some other modes, or even worse, go to other servers.

[Avenge]

Gain 5-10 people lose 40+ best idea ever. U can't force people to play competitively. If you remove TDM they will just play some other modes, or even worse, go to other servers.

nono i say that to emphasize a way for more cws some way some how lol... no one cws even with the opportunity of top 1 to 3 ranked clans getting coins... idk

[Traumatiser]

Hey dont readd R IA please. it's bad enough that you the occasional CW here and there but it's ONLY a large garden room, 1-3 atk n def rooms, 1-3 duel rooms, 1 training, and that's it. If it was to be re implemented, it should ONLY apply to Training rooms. Not TEAM training(cuz then they'll gladly make rooms just to spam zzz) but training rooms.

the L/H/S notion makes no difference. Changing it means nothing. Keeping things at 1000 delay keeps it SKILL based. Especially with the new shotgun spread being added that would be horrific.. Literally spamming at 850 delay getting pbs from mid range. McSic + Dave, take it from someone who gives a dam about competition.... You're doing fine with just adjusting the antilead/sg spread situation.

WHAT U SHOOOOUUULDDDDDDD do is disable the TDM function so everyone can cw and make it a comp based server again. Idk. Just a nudge to make players cw more

agreed with everything til last sentence while I do think cw can be fun for most, like me a person who hasnt played competitively or cared enough to try hard to cw since like a few years this is just dumb but yeah everythin else you said is true

[R] [IA] was always just full of garden tdms 1k rounds.

but yeah