McSic's request...

Sooo.... It seems I get asked to put forth some sort of comment or something, even though I've been off the staff for quite some time now(personal choice).

McSic seems to be worried about whether or not this new rule(no 3-word posts) is actually good for the forum, due to the response it has received. I am going to share my view on it, to everyone, only because McSic asked nicely(that and to shut a few of you up).

The real idea behind this rule, I'm guessing, is to prevent those really stupid posts that don't contribute to the thread at all. Most likely, you know what I'm talking about. If you don't, here's some examples:
-"Lawlzzz /10 char"
-"Ha ha /10 char"
-"Funny /10 char"
-"Orly? /10 char"
-"I dunno /10 char"

Now, some are concerned this rule will interfere with actually useful posts that just happen to be about three words long. Here's my answer: It won't. If your post actually had some relevance, any competent moderator will leave it be. The rule was mainly set in place to get rid of the retarded spam posts. The wording of the rule should be replaced and defined to something along the likes of "No spam-like posts that do not contribute to the topic in any real way.", but not be enforced too hard. Have that rule set in place, but only warn/infract/suspend if the user does it often.

To address the "delete the posts, don't infract people!" argument: I'd like to ask you a simple question. If I delete over one hundred stupid posts, do you think people are gonna learn anything? No. It provides even more work for the moderators. If I infract 5 people over stupid posts, do you think people are gonna learn anything? Enough will. The majority of the people here don't like being infracted/banned from the forums, so a majority of the people will refrain from doing it.

To address the moderators: This a a game forum with a closely knit community of friends(with a few people who aren't friends with each other). Although we want to keep the forums pretty clean, it doesn't need to be "job application" clean.

Now, McSic, I hope you're happy.

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Originally Posted by Weiipeiik

And reptar, grascen wouldnt do that

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Seriously, dude? Not a single one of you REALLY knows me. I'm one of the most unpredictable mother f***ers you've ever met.

Good job. It's too bad you arn't with us anymore. (im not blaming you)

And now I'm very happy too.

But wait, there was a rule against spam already. So this new rule is just a sub-rule of the actual spam rule. Think of some useful rules egh?

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Originally Posted by Eno

But wait, there was a rule against spam already. So this new rule is just a sub-rule of the actual spam rule. Think of some useful rules egh?

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There it is. The one thing I knew I was leaving out. Thank you for point that out.

This rule IS a sub-division of that Oh-so-special rule "DO NOT SPAM". The reason why it was even brought up in the first place was because people weren't following it. Apparently, part of that rule actually needed to be specified.

Why not just start infracting them instead of spamming in the ToS, cause this anti-spam rule is just rule spam.

Rule should be applied especially at the GFX section, lots of folks just say : "I like it". Now thats worth a warning atleast because its totally not usefull commentary... The rule should be a little bit editted in the way of commentary that isn't usefull is worth a warning, arguments that are off-topic in a forum and the /10char sentences.
Also notice that if somebody comments on a signature, a 3d model or what so ever that there should be a commentary with a reason why you like it and tips to make it better, that will prevent the spams =)

wow I was doing several things at once so this story is hard to read but okiee :D

Or just remove the rule and sttick with the no spam rule. So that spam less than three words get removed, but also the more worded spams.

Yaay.

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Originally Posted by Eno

Or just remove the rule and sttick with the no spam rule. So that spam less than three words get removed, but also the more worded spams.

Yaay.

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Question is, what is spam? lol the most mods aren't on the same line, have diffrent ideas of what spam is XD I should have been infracted several times but nothing happens XD

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Originally Posted by slugheady

Question is, what is spam? lol the most mods aren't on the same line, have diffrent ideas of what spam is XD I should have been infracted several times but nothing happens XD

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The 3-word spam rule really isn't gonna help you to define spam.

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Originally Posted by Eno

The 3-word spam rule really isn't gonna help you to define spam.

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Thats why i tried making clear that commentary on GFX should be based with tips etc. and if its just *word* /10char or i like it, then its worth an infraction.

People are going to use stuff like this now:

"Roflmao haha /10char
/4thword"

McSic should be really happy with this thread, good job Grascen.

He also said that if you where mod I would be fired...

anyway I've tried to explain this in a more simpler tone but no one listened.

LOLOLOL i now officially like grascen xD. it was nice of u to come back and put some meaning to the rule. Thanks

Soo, McSic do care about us D;

nice grascen xD
i hope these spammers know how to read rules from now on

If people don't understand the rule, I'll walk them through it. It goes like this:

3-Word Rule = Any posts we consider spam, are useless pertaining to a certain topic, and are under three words, we delete, then verbally warn you. You meet said criteria again, you get a physical warning. Again, an infraction. Again, a second and final infraction depending on the circumstance(possible one-day suspension to the Moderator's discretion), then finally a one-day suspension. Anything further will just add up more days.

I hate being harsh on you guys because as Grascen said, we are a tightly knit community, but spam is against the Terms of Service. If you cannot put forth any effort to post on a Thread, don't post at all.

There is also only one exception to this rule(McSic requested it); 1-3 word posts are alright in Introduction threads. "Welcome back, Hi and welcome, etc..." Is allowed. That is the ONLY exception. Now, if you guys can miraculously somehow make a three word or less post pertain to the topic, we MIGHT let it go.

@The Weiipeiik thing, I seriously lol'd when you said that Weii. Grascen is just as much of a hard-ass as me or Nitro ;).

NOW. I expect mine and Nitro's Moderator's to read over this post carefully, because the exceptions I have made are allowed, and I still see a few of you ignoring them. Now that's okay because I didn't properly explain the rule FULLY, but now I have so make sure to know what to delete and what not to.

Edit: Some people didn't understand so I'll just throw this in here for those Cavemen. Along with the Introduction exception, there is ALSO the Forum Games & Other, Rage/Ego, Visitor Messaging, Private Messaging, the new Official Spam Thread I made, and even to an extent the Chatbox. Now, if you guys want to go OFF of the Forums, I recommend MSN, AIM, Facebook, Myyearbook, Myspace, Beebo, Other Forums irrelevant to ours, etc... So ya see, this rule isn't so harsh after all is it :).

Thank you Grascen.
I really appreciate it.

What if it's a yes/no question O.o

-A: Did you duel Stroopwafels?
-B: Yes.

Or w/e

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

What if it's a yes/no question O.o

-A: Did you duel Stroopwafels?
-B: Yes.

Or w/e

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-B Yes I did duel him and I lost because he's too pro.

Liez!

Bunny knows u!!!!

Haxxor!

Is spam that hard to understand for the people who asked what it is and can be considered spam?

I'd just think "is my comment pointless, off topic and isn't related at all to this thread", and whether you've actually put thought into a post you've created which will show in length even if its just a whole sentence, not just three words. It's really not that hard. Any answer worth a damn will be longer then three words anyway.

You can qualify this:

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Originally Posted by Eno

-B Yes yes yes yes.

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And This:

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Originally Posted by Trencal

Liez!

Bunny knows u!!!!

Haxxor!

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To normal spam.The funny thing is that GMs posted that.

not rlly..

he posted

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Seriously, dude? Not a single one of you REALLY knows me. I'm one of the most unpredictable mother f***ers you've ever met.

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So i responded with that.

Not really spam, it pertained to the 1st post in the topic

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Originally Posted by Trencal

not rlly..

he posted

So i responded with that.

Not really spam, it pertained to the 1st post in the topic

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My question is, Did you really have to write a stupid post like ''Liar! Haxxor!''? Thats our problem, sometimes there is really no need to post a shit like this..

Neway i think this is stupid.

Why does it matter?

What if theres some spam on the forums?

Does it hurt nething?

No.

we have like 25 - 40 threads a day.

in the last 24 hours we get like 500 members.

The same 75 people post alot, besides that its pretty much ppl coming on once in a blue moon to say high or ask a question.

These forums arent just forums, we have the forums because of the game, not the other way around.

If we had more games or more things to do that people could discuss, then yea.

But the forums arent the main focus and focusing on petty things like this imo are retarted.

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My question is, Do you really had to write a stupid post like ''Liar! Haxxor!''? Thats our problem, sometimes there is really no need to post a shit like this..

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The games here to have fun.

Who cares, to me, grascen and bunny we would have a laugh about it.

And we could joke around.

So what if its not 100% about the topic?

If we do everything about the topic the forums would be no fun.

This is a GAME. Its meant to be fun.

Spam doesnt hurt, so why not keep it as long as it doesnt overflow?

We dont get really any spammers anyway. We get the normal people typing some stuff to have fun instead of everything being about gunz or something.

theres alot of forums that are specifically about 1 thing, they can be serious but some ppl have to lighten up.

If you do shit like this and restrict us from having a little fun, even posting 3 word shits, then less and less people will come to the forums.

We dont have many now as it is, and before i download a game like this, while its downloading i check they're forums.

See how the community is.

Most ppl play pservers to get the closeness as its more fun that way.

But if ur all gonna be ****s about it then no ones gonna come.

Okey okey you win.. >.>

Stop being all so serious D=.

i love you guys too

So would you rather us let everyone go hog-wild Trencal? I mean, earlier there was a problem with a member talking about suicide. Should I just let everyone make fun of him and such? It's one thing to lose a member, and another to hear about them die. There are RULES, Trencal. If people cannot follow them, it isn't our problem. It IS our problem to do something to fix it though. You're right, this is a Private Server, and it is much closer, but rules are rules. We cannot just have an anarchy and let everyone do what they want. Order needs to be set. This isn't in-game, everything doesn't just clear once you leave. It all stays until someone deletes it. And spamming is against the Terms of Service, so, that means they are breaking the rules we set for them. Are they hard to follow? I'd think not. Look how long this post is.

So from what you're trying to say is, I guess you'd much rather us let everyone do whatever their little sweet minds desire on our Forums. Well that isn't going to fly. Rules are meant to keep order, and if they don't, we do. I've seen COUNTLESS people leave Freestyle because "Too many people are getting away with shit." Well I'm sorry that I want to finally do my job correctly and enforce the rules better. I can understand this IS a Private Server, and you all are my friends, but my job comes first. And I'd expect you to understand the most out of anyone Trencal.

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So would you rather us let everyone go hog-wild Trencal? I mean, earlier there was a problem with a member talking about suicide. Should I just let everyone make fun of him and such? It's one thing to lose a member, and another to hear about them die. There are RULES, Trencal. If people cannot follow them, it isn't our problem. It IS our problem to do something to fix it though. You're right, this is a Private Server, and it is much closer, but rules are rules. We cannot just have an anarchy and let everyone do what they want. Order needs to be set. This isn't in-game, everything doesn't just clear once you leave. It all stays until someone deletes it. And spamming is against the Terms of Service, so, that means they are breaking the rules we set for them. Are they hard to follow? I'd think not. Look how long this post is.

So from what you're trying to say is, I guess you'd much rather us let everyone do whatever their little sweet minds desire on our Forums. Well that isn't going to fly. Rules are meant to keep order, and if they don't, we do. I've seen COUNTLESS people leave Freestyle because "Too many people are getting away with shit." Well I'm sorry that I want to finally do my job correctly and enforce the rules better. I can understand this IS a Private Server, and you all are my friends, but my job comes first. And I'd expect you to understand the most out of anyone Trencal.

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uhm true but , PlanB was joking i asked him if he is sure and then he said "i love fgunz no suicide"

Regardless. I take it seriously. I've had experiences with suicide personally, and with people I once knew and were close with. It isn't a joking matter when it comes to me.

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Regardless. I take it seriously. I've had experiences with suicide personally, and with people I once knew and were close with. It isn't a joking matter when it comes to me.

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=s Sounds sad. And ye sorry for making fun of him imma delte my signature , sorry.

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Originally Posted by Demure

Okey okey you win.. >.>

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Stop being all so serious D=.

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i love you guys too

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These are all spam to.

Delete these.

Hell

Delete half the freaking forums.

They're spam.

This is bs imo.

Too much.

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If your post actually had some relevance, any competent moderator will leave it be.

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They're being serious about having us limit what we type about.

So we cant play around.

If it has relevence.

So we have no where to play and joke around?

We have to do it on msn or something?

or login to game to have some fun?

Thats bs.

These forums are suppossed to be fun and now we cant have fun unless it pertains to the the topic.

Wtf is that?

So if i make one about a music youtube video People can only say stuff like thats a good song or i like that band or heres other bands like it.

But they cant go on and say that youtube sucks and to use megavideo or something, then we talk about megavideo for a while.

That would be spam.

Megavideo has nothing to do with the music youtube post.

Delete it.

Yea, mods may not, and it probably wouldnt be a problem, yet.

Limit more and more.

no fun.

Or i cant go on the youtube video and tell him that the green day cd is alot better, even if i posted a three days grace video.

They dont pertain at all.

So delete those 2.

This rule is stupid and its gonna screw over the forums.


Yes we need rules, and yes the suicide thing should've been dealt with.

But he braught it up here.

That has NOTHING to do with spam.

Thats a flaming matter, and should be dealt with that way.

It's alright, but as funny as it sounds, when it comes to Freestyle GunZ, I take my job seriously. Yes, it is a Gaming Forum, alright enough, I KNOW this. I WORK here. But that doesn't mean I can't do my job the way I'm supposed to. If it means I become the asshole, I'm sorry. Can't always be the nice guy.

Yes this rule may seem too strict, I give it that, but I mean come on. Posts like "Lol-, lololololololol, xD, etc...", that shit gets real old, real fast. You guys are growing up and no this might not be a serious Forum detailing actual things, but seriously? Have some maturity at least when on the Forums. If you can't? Stay in-game and do it there where no one cares. No one said anything about posting one to three words on the Chatbox, so go crazy there. But not in a Thread unless it's an Introduction Thread.

Yea, do it on MSN, the Chatbox, in-game, Facebook, Myspace, oh gee, look at that, so many alternatives. Why not choose one of them instead? Where they don't limit it to talk? Instead of on a Thread that has no relevance to anything someone posted? Seriously man. Come on. I really don't expect this from you. I thought Marines would know all about rules and why we have them. There are all kinds of alternatives to spam on. So why choose the only place where you can get reprimanded for it? Like seriously? That's borderline retarded. I thought of the Rule because spam is spam. I don't care about if it is fun or not. Do it on one of the other literal thousands of places to spam at. Not here. If you choose to here, take the punishment. You know the rules. I mean, there are even TWO SECTIONS ON HERE for spam. And technically a third if you count the Goddamn Chatbox. Forum Games & Other, and Rage/Ego. They don't add to the post count, and don't affect the Forums in any way, so why don't people go there to post then? I mean there are so many alternatives, we have FIVE on here. One, Chatbox. Two, Visitor Message. Three, Private Message. Four, Forum Games & Other. Five, Rage/Ego. Five, damn, alternatives. On this Forum alone. Excluding in-game man. If people cannot see this, and BYPASSED the Rules, and cannot post more than three words pertaining to a Topic, don't they deserve to be punished for it? Answer me that.

Yes, thats a point and yes i agree with that, "Posts like "Lol-, lololololololol, xD, etc...""

But thats NOT what he said in the topic.

and thats NOT what im fighting about.

Im talking about going off topic on the threads.

Which he posted saying your not allowed to do in 3 words or w.e

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The rule was mainly set in place to get rid of the retarded spam posts. The wording of the rule should be replaced and defined to something along the likes of "No spam-like posts that do not contribute to the topic in any real way."

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So i cant make a 3 word post like i did before?

Joking around, having a little fun with some meaning?

Lol-

lmao-

etc have no meaning whatsoever, that i can agree with

But thats not what im argueing with.

I cant make a little joke, which my close friends would get, that may be a little off topic.
Because it'll be spam?

You can. In the Chatbox, Forum Games & Other, Visitor Messaging, Private Messaging, and Rage/Ego. Five places right there you can go to to joke around in, without even leaving the Forums.

So getting to know someone

Or learning how people are.

we have to get personal such as msn or pm?



They dont deserve to be punished,

Forums posts LAST.

Thats why i would use them,

Chatbox, Forum Games & Other, Visitor Messaging, Private Messaging, and Rage/Ego

Chatbox - spammed and erase often.

Forum games - no one uses and same as chat.

Visitor message, too personal if pertaining to a group of people, dont want to spam the same message to 10 people if i want them to all see it.

Msn - Same as visitor, and not everyone wants to give out that info to everyone.

Rage/Ego - Some people, such as myself, dont want to be involved in that section and spam does not belong in that section.

What else?

In the topics that other people posted?

Nothing wrong with that.

Ur arguing for a rule that only inhibits peoples experience and bonding.

I cant just go into someones topic and post something a thats doesnt directly relate to the post but something that has some merit to show that you care?

Such as all the people that make the "I may be leaving" or "How is everyone" that forsaken or reaper made?

So even stupid little post, such as the long esperanto clan one we had, that was some few hundred posts, cant happen anymore because its all "spam"?

And dont bring the marine corps into it, I am a marine meaning stupid shit like this, that i dont agree with, i fight for.

I dont sit back and allow you to make rules such as this for the only reason that "Its hard for Mods"

So ****ing what, u have like 10 of u.

Live with the spam, make sure it doesnt go out of hand, but u dont need a rule about not posting in topics that you have nothing meritorious to say.

So We cant change the topic's meaning or anything because its a pain for you guys?

Bullshit.

If i posted a video about some lady gaga movie.

We should be able to change the topic to something else, if the randomness arises.

Nope. If you want to change the topic, post it in Off-Topic. If you want to spam, do it in the areas provided. If you don't, get punished. Dislike me and the rule all you want "Trencal", it's staying man. People didn't understand the original spam rule so I made it a little more detailed. Sorry. If people don't like it, they can just ignore it and accept consequences, or actually follow the rules and post in the(now six) places in which you can without consequence. New addition being the Official Spam Thread. Spam away there. Joke away there. I don't care where you do it quite honestly. Break a rule, you get punished.

Then Im done with the forums.

I'll do my job and thats it.

Peace.

wow, we are overreacting like hell..

Who cared about "omg proo! lol.." before this nonsense..

Stop caring about the what you called "spammers" or "useless posts" and step up when it goed out of hand.

I agree, this is just another stupid rule.

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I agree, this is just another stupid rule.

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Well the bad thing is, we now need a rule like this. it all started about someone caring about "3 or 3- posts".

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Originally Posted by Grascen

Seriously, dude? Not a single one of you REALLY knows me. I'm one of the most unpredictable mother f***ers you've ever met.

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If none of us know you then we haven't met you.

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Originally Posted by Time

uhm true but , PlanB was joking i asked him if he is sure and then he said "i love fgunz no suicide"

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You do not joke about suicide. Never. A lot of people have had personal experiences and take offense.