If you were wondering why forums are dead

It's because of shit like this : https://freestylersworld.com/showthre...ot-SUCH-A-FAIL

staff end discussions way too quickly. They won't even let players discuss the banning of other people. smhhhh

Wucas Pls: "Call "aboos" or whatever you want, but if we left bans up to the general public and had a tribunal to decide peoples fates, nothing would ever get done. There is a reason that this is done in a private manner. "

Good point, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to critisize you when you get it wrong. I don't know why all of the staff is so scared of receiving critisizm, we don't expect you to make the correct decisions 100% of the time, but you should be open to suggestions from the public.

Because often criticism ends up in insults and disrespectful behavior.
Making a thread and posting your opinion about a ban/unban will only cause a thread with spam and pointless arguments, e.g: they should be unbanned, no they should be banned, etc.

In the end, a thread like that will not affect our decision on a ban/unban.


P.S: the forum isn't dead.

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Originally Posted by Dave

Because often criticism ends up in insults and disrespectful behavior.
Making a thread and posting your opinion about a ban/unban will only cause a thread with spam and pointless arguments, e.g: they should be unbanned, no they should be banned, etc.

In the end, a thread like that will not affect our decision on a ban/unban.


P.S: the forum isn't dead.

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How else would we go about telling you guys you unfairly banned a player? And how is posting our opinion spam? You're making it sound like our opinion means nothing when some of us have more experience than the staff who make decisions.

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Originally Posted by AaLian

How else would we go about telling you guys you unfairly banned a player? And how is posting our opinion spam? You're making it sound like our opinion means nothing when some of us have more experience than the staff who make decisions.

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How is Dave implying that your opinions count as spam?
If you think a player is unfairly banned, do it behind the forums, go through private messages, once it goes public, people stick their noses in and it goes off-topic.
If opinions didn't count, there wouldn't be a suggestion thread.

About experience: This is a Gunz server, a Gunz forum, not a doctors surgery, you can wimp and scrape that you've been an Admin at a server or fifty, but it's not hard to become staff.

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Originally Posted by Corque

How is Dave implying that your opinions count as spam?
If you think a player is unfairly banned, do it behind the forums, go through private messages, once it goes public, people stick their noses in and it goes off-topic.
If opinions didn't count, there wouldn't be a suggestion thread.

About experience: This is a Gunz server, a Gunz forum, not a doctors surgery, you can wimp and scrape that you've been an Admin at a server or fifty, but it's not hard to become staff.

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He implied that posting our opinions lead to nothing but spam, i don't get what else that could mean?
So you would rather have 50 people private messaging each staff member? Why not leave the discussion open to see what most players think, valid arguments were brought up in the last thread.

As for experience, i didn't mean staff, i just meant playing time which leads to being able to spot unlegits better.

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Originally Posted by AaLian

How else would we go about telling you guys you unfairly banned a player? And how is posting our opinion spam? You're making it sound like our opinion means nothing when some of us have more experience than the staff who make decisions.

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How about you make an unban appeal?
We don't rely on the opinion of other people, especially in a public thread, since it can be easily biased.

Sir, I would like to point out that this forum has been running since 08 (correct me if I'm wrong anyone), and until now there are more and more players joining every day. We're pretty damn active for an old game. If you're unhappy about the decisions that have occurred between your friends you can have a group discussion via private chats or whatever with YOUR friend and the admins. I see it as a cry for attention when players go on making threads about OTHER people and not YOU. Very childish, you should stick your nose where it belongs, not in other people's spirals.

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Originally Posted by Dave

How about you make an unban appeal?
We don't rely on the opinion of other people, especially in a public thread, since it can be easily biased.

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How would an unban appeal help when the first time around, all the staff members agreed that you were unlegit? The only reason things changed was because of outside opinions and public threads that brought the issue back.

abasena go away lol

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Originally Posted by AaLian

How would an unban appeal help when the first time around, all the staff members agreed that you were unlegit? The only reason things changed was because of outside opinions and public threads that brought the issue back.

abasena go away lol

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You will have to try and prove your innocence.
There's always a staff member who didn't take care of the report and thus you might be able to get a second opinion.

A public thread will most likely only contain friends of the banned person trying to back him up which makes it completely unreliable.

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Originally Posted by Dave

You will have to try and prove your innocence.
There's always a staff member who didn't take care of the report and thus you might be able to get a second opinion.

A public thread will most likely only contain friends of the banned person trying to back him up.

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That's so not true. It also has the opinion of the people wanting him to stay banned. Atleast in public threads, people post why they think the player is unlegit, and others can reply and tell them that it's intuition that comes by playing gunz a lot, or luck, or if it is indeed esp or w.e hack is in discussion.

I've noticed quite a few (not all, a lot of reports are well done), one staff member says a player is unlegit, and the rest just bandwagon.

A public thread will most likely only contain friends of the banned person trying to back him up which makes it completely unreliable.[/QUOTE]

Agreed...
Replays are public though.
If public users contest based on this, it's not so unreliable after all

I do think the outcome needs to be discussed in private, but the public opinion should to my feelings not be as oppressed.

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Originally Posted by AaLian

That's so not true. It also has the opinion of the people wanting him to stay banned. Atleast in public threads, people post why they think the player is unlegit, and others can reply and tell them that it's intuition that comes by playing gunz a lot, or luck, or if it is indeed esp or w.e hack is in discussion.

I've noticed quite a few (not all, a lot of reports are well done), one staff member says a player is unlegit, and the rest just bandwagon.

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It is true, go look at the ban thread yourself in the off-topic section. "I've been playing with them for years", etc.
Also if you look at the thread, people say he's unlegit while others say he's legit. We can do nothing with this.

In the end, it's pointless to make a public thread like that.
Do we disallow a thread like that? Nope, but if it gets out of control then we have to take action.

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Originally Posted by Dave

It is true, go look at the ban thread yourself in the off-topic section. "I've been playing with them for years", etc.
Also if you look at the thread, people say he's unlegit while others say he's legit. We can do nothing with this.

In the end, it's pointless to make a public thread like that.
Do we disallow a thread like that? Nope, but if it gets out of control then we have to take action.

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What about the comments saying you can see the player coming at him on the screen, or that he could guess the other player's location based on him not being with his partner?
I feel like if you show a youtube video, you get a lot of legitimate public opinions. I agree that if only a replay is posted, there will be a lot of biased opinions since people are too lazy to download the clip, so they only speak based on reputation.

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Originally Posted by AaLian

That's so not true. It also has the opinion of the people wanting him to stay banned. Atleast in public threads, people post why they think the player is unlegit, and others can reply and tell them that it's intuition that comes by playing gunz a lot, or luck, or if it is indeed esp or w.e hack is in discussion.

I've noticed quite a few (not all, a lot of reports are well done), one staff member says a player is unlegit, and the rest just bandwagon.

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You haven't even reached 47 posts.
You joined feb 2013
I have never seen you
You are not active on the forums.

Stop acting like you know whats happening on the forums, because you don't :').

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Originally Posted by slugheady

You haven't even reached 47 posts.
You joined feb 2013
I have never seen you
You are not active on the forums.

Stop acting like you know whats happening on the forums, because you don't :').

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Let's just say those stats aren't a good indication of my time here.

Just like you, I have every right to post on this thread. Don't know why you told me to go away, perhaps butt hurt from the truth? Meh...

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Originally Posted by AaLian

Let's just say those stats aren't a good indication of my time here.

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u cant say that unless u tell us who u are

When you are banned, you cannot access the server.
How are you supposed to communicate with your clan members and other friends that don't understand why you cannot play anymore?

The ban was really fast but the unban is really slow (N2 is still waiting for the unban, while we got banned both in one thread and at the same time)
While you wait patiently to get access to your favorite game, what's the problem with a few post on the forum ? It's not like a 100 pages of post is gonna crash the server or flood the memory.
Having it would not change the opinion of the GM, while people can express their minds.

abasena, i just think your post added no real value to the thread.

I'm actually glad dave is replying to this thread in a polite and consice manner, he atleast gave their point of view.

and mr guy i go tell ethyi to sm4sh u again jk jk

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Originally Posted by AaLian

abasena, i just think your post added no real value to the thread.

I'm actually glad dave is replying to this thread in a polite and consice manner, he atleast gave their point of view.

and mr guy i go tell ethyi to sm4sh u again jk jk

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:@ tell him to get on sometime soon so i can rematch him

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Originally Posted by AaLian

Let's just say those stats aren't a good indication of my time here.

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I think you're right, sorry. I shouldn't always look at the stats.... By the looks of your groundless arguments you put in here, and the ridiculous things you say I am indeed surprised you registered in 2013. By the looks of it, it could've been last week :).

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Originally Posted by AaLian

abasena, i just think your post added no real value to the thread.

I'm actually glad dave is replying to this thread in a polite and consice manner, he atleast gave their point of view.

and mr guy i go tell ethyi to sm4sh u again jk jk

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With all do respect, then your thread has no real value to it because I and a few others can confirm that this is really pointless... If you really had questions you should have private messaged an admin.

w0w dude pro sarcasm XDDD so funni

can we rail the thread back to n1's post ples, enuff bout me!!

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Originally Posted by slugheady

I think you're right, sorry. I shouldn't always look at the stats.... By the looks of your groundless arguments you put in here, and the ridiculous things you say I am indeed surprised you registered in 2013. By the looks of it, it could've been last week :).

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http://24.media.tumblr.com/f0107e2fa...6nzzo1_400.gif

This is an debate how amusing.
he's banned.
make an unban appeal if you want him unbanned.
Sometimes he wont get unbanned big deal.
its gunz lyfe bro lawl.

and here we have proof that it's staff and ex-staff members that derail threads without adding any real value.


thx m8

calm your camel toes guys, all in all this is just a game, so why serious? if you get banned, appeal for un-ban and don't try again the thing that you've did. ( even though you haven't done anything ). reflect. appeal. wait. move on. there are ways to communicate with your clan mates though. aren't they your friends on fb, skype etc?? The problem is you're exaggerating much the issue when the solution for the simple problem is also simple. //sigh

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Originally Posted by N1B0RH00D

When you are banned, you cannot access the server.
How are you supposed to communicate with your clan members and other friends that don't understand why you cannot play anymore?

The ban was really fast but the unban is really slow (N2 is still waiting for the unban, while we got banned both in one thread and at the same time)
While you wait patiently to get access to your favorite game, what's the problem with a few post on the forum ? It's not like a 100 pages of post is gonna crash the server or flood the memory.
Having it would not change the opinion of the GM, while people can express their minds.

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That's the punishment of being banned isn't it? No access to the server and not being able to play with your friends. If you were real friends, you could communicate by Skype.
Of course the unban is slow, what would be the point in banning somebody for 30 minutes?

Available methods of contacting eachother:
IM:
Miranda (thats a messenger, incase some didnt know), Pidgeon, ICQ, Skype, TeamSpeak, Mumble, Ventrilo, IRC ...
Other:
Email, Kik, Whatsapp, Any social media platform, Letters, Your Phone

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

Available methods of contacting eachother:
IM:
Miranda (thats a messenger, incase some didnt know), Pidgeon, ICQ, Skype, TeamSpeak, Mumble, Ventrilo, IRC ...
Other:
Email, Kik, Whatsapp, Any social media platform, Letters, Your Phone

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Addition to other: post pidgeon

Idk bout throwing your opinion in on someone else's appeal but I think we should deffinetely be able to view someones unwarn/unban appeal. This is "FREEstylersworld" right? It seems like this forum is a bit Dictated. Now people will ask me to leave if I feel this way but I won't. I'm going to stay. I'm loving what this server is turning into lmao.

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Originally Posted by Jinkiez

Idk bout throwing your opinion in on someone else's appeal but I think we should deffinetely be able to view someones unwarn/unban appeal. This is "FREEstylersworld" right? It seems like this forum is a bit Dictated. Now people will ask me to leave if I feel this way but I won't. I'm going to stay. I'm loving what this server is turning into lmao.

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Unban appeals can contain sensitive information, so no.

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Originally Posted by Dave

Unban appeals can contain sensitive information, so no.

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But they were public 4 months ago. Whats changed since than? Have people started throwing their Skype ID and PW into their unban appeal? I used to view unban appeals when I got bored and I never saw any bit of personal or sensitive information.

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Originally Posted by Jinkiez

But they were public 4 months ago. Whats changed since than? Have people started throwing their Skype ID and PW into their unban appeal? I used to view unban appeals when I got bored and I never saw any bit of personal or sensitive information.

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Like I said, unban appeals -can- contain sensitive information.
There's absolutely no need for random people to look at the unban appeal of someone, which is personal.

I can't think of a single logical reason why you should be able to see unban appeals.

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Originally Posted by Jinkiez

But they were public 4 months ago. Whats changed since than? Have people started throwing their Skype ID and PW into their unban appeal? I used to view unban appeals when I got bored and I never saw any bit of personal or sensitive information.

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Things can change, for the better of the people we blocked the view of the unban appeals.

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Originally Posted by Dave

Like I said, unban appeals -can- contain sensitive information.
There's absolutely no need for random people to look at the unban appeal of someone, which is personal.

I can't think of a single logical reason why you should be able to see unban appeals.

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What about the reports section? At least let us have that....us lurkers get bored here :)

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Originally Posted by Serpento

What about the reports section? At least let us have that....us lurkers get bored here :)

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i agree on this, there are also alot of cases in which it would be useful to see whenever someone reported you and you could proof that you're in fact legit/ or was provoked, take for example the nborhood case

players
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Originally Posted by Dave

Like I said, unban appeals -can- contain sensitive information.
There's absolutely no need for random people to look at the unban appeal of someone, which is personal.

I can't think of a single logical reason why you should be able to see unban appeals.

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I realize that but after the years of having this forum up what made you guys randomly make it so only staff can view them? Its not freestylers anymore, I don't want to debate anymore either. I'm off this thread.

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Originally Posted by Dave

There's absolutely no need for random people to look at the unban appeal of someone, which is personal.

I can't think of a single logical reason why you should be able to see unban appeals.

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I suggested this a while back in the suggestion thread, and this may or may not be the appropriate place to bring it back up, but here goes.

If people don't have access/permissions to a thread in a certain section (reports, unban appeals, donations & questions, VIP section, etc etc), just make it so that thread doesn't update under the latest posts or in the chatbox. It's not the person's business anyway, nor do they even have permission to view the thread, so why should it offer them a link to click ?

That's just what I think. I think this'll help stop a lot of these unnecessary "discussions" as well.

who need private appeals when you can easily get inside staff to leak :o.o

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Originally Posted by Serpento

What about the reports section? At least let us have that....us lurkers get bored here :)

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You can see completed reports, and that's all you will be able to see.

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Originally Posted by Jinkiez

I realize that but after the years of having this forum up what made you guys randomly make it so only staff can view them? Its not freestylers anymore, I don't want to debate anymore either. I'm off this thread.

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Kinda bs that you relate the word freestyle with the ability to see unban appeals lol.

Correct me if I'm wrong people

When Aynia was unbanned because he APPARENTLY DIDN'T ESP, what did we have to do to get him banned again?

Someone ENLIGHTEN me on what happen with the situation ?

Wasn't there like 3 - 5 reports again saying that he was in-fact ESPing?

Ok, now explain to me how Micah and George Deal with my Appeal for Niggu?

Forgot Dave, he gave me a 1 sentence reply and banned him and ignored my appeal...

WHERE IS THE ACTUAL PROOF OF A PERSON ESPING OR BEING UNLEGIT?

(Niggu got unbanned shortly afterwards after, I MYSELF contacted the whole STAFF team)

Yet, you want people not being able to tell what's right from wrong, or why we can't say what we want?

Sorry, I completely forgot that you, YOURSELF covered for Micah when he clearly shotbotted (admitted himself that he was sbing in skype call with me and jordan/jing)

But hey, I'm not here to argue with you on if he shotbotted or not, because clearly all we get is a 1 sentence explaintion then the thread is closed

Then, we get banned if we make another one right?

Ya some fk bois don't talk like ya ain't never done that before

http://gyazo.com/48f796967ee7671f21df737d21458908 (Look at this shit?)
http://gyazo.com/1800a21aed0251433cf55ffd2843867c
http://gyazo.com/7210a77da767fccd1b73f60ac0c8b767

Someone finally man-up and unbanned him after I got the whole GM Team to look at the replay

1 Sentence response from Micah (None from George even tho he participated in the banning)

Closed my next one without a response and I get warned that if I make another one it would be denied?

OK MAN XD

inb4

Capitalistic Style GunZ.

Yup micah once banned me after i cwd againts him thinking i sb without even looking at any replays and was unbanned few days later with an apology. Lol.

Funny cause micah shotbotted, and he didn't get banned for it, instead he got "fired" and "quit"

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inb4

Capitalistic Style GunZ.

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I believe the motto for Capitalistic Style GunZ should be

" I have a dream that one day on the dreadful ban of a Freestyler, the banned sons and the prosecutors will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day the server of Freestyle, a server sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little banned friends will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by their unlegitness on their character".

Martin Luther King definitely got his speech wrong. Mine is correct.

that was so not funny i laughed

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Originally Posted by Kira

who need private appeals when you can easily get inside staff to leak :o.o

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who need private appeals when you can easily get inside staff to leak :o.o