How I currently see FGunZ

[Sonji]

[Eeksdee]

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I agree

[Lorrainé]

Well how you know it will last being competitive?

????????????

That is your assumption ? Assumption shouldn't be here

You basically contradicted your answer. How will you know if it will last with players just doing nothing but camp and spam?

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Then the server would be split.

[Eeksdee]

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You basically contradicted your answer. How will you know if it will last with players just doing nothing but camp and spam?



Then the server would be split.

Well the server did increased it's population didn't it?

[Lorrainé]

Well the server did increased it's population didn't it?

No, it's decreased lol
When I first joined the server I remember it having over 400 players... Maximum is almost 300-350.

[Steff]

Note:
This thread isn't just about [R] !
We get it, the people on the forums don't like them but it's just something I wished to add.
There are many more paragraphs besides my opinion and what the deal is with the [R] tag.

I don't remember anyone legit got banned. for hacking.

and we are talking here about room tags. SO GTFO
and lets try to find solution for [R] Tag

One of my previous clanwar partners ''Machine'' a nice guy and THE BEST SOUNDPLAYER i've seen so far, has been banned multiple times and atleast twice for esp.
He is legit and I learned some stuff from him, actually alot.
The reason I was able to spot the espers and ask my friends to ban them was because of ''Machine''.
I played alot with him, I learned alot from him just by looking at him and now I consider my self to a god.
It's easy to spot ESPers from soundplayers if you know what I know.
Besides ESP, NIGGU got banned when I was a ET member and while I actually wasn't supposed to I still said to some gms he was banned unfairly.
The replay was bugged which was obvious (in my opinion). NIGGU did have some spikes which I reported, but coudn't have let him be banned unfairly.
He got unbanned a short period after I asked some gms to re-check and some players for the same replays of the cw.

#steffisaG

What i said is.

the community here keep report people just because they lost to them in clan war or whatever.

If you play sound game here you will get banned for esp. Why? Because some butthurt got smacked 4-0 in clan war and he feel like report you and tell his friend report you then gms think if so many reported him he probably hacking.

If you can aim 10/10 and give a nice pb. You probably uc or sb or some unknown hack only you guys can report for.


clan war players here think they the best in gunz and if they lose to someone he probably hacking.

Please, it's easy to see who soundplays and who doesn't, yes if you are a god like machine you would get banned but thats understandable if you aren't a soundplayer your self.
Alot of people with 9/10 10/10 aim aren't banned, because it's easy to see who's legit.
OC is the most easy shit to detect just look at his/her RS on multiple occasions ( to see if its not a bugged replay part or w/e ).
UC meh, trust me if you don't uc you wont get banned for UC.

What your problem with israel people?? im from israel and im legit and many people called me sb/uc whatever and i just ignore them. most of us legit and there few might be unlegit.

The reason we are so good is because of the israel servers. We always only played clan wars and used balanced servers with 120/100 hp and 9damage breakers no donors.

I don't got a direct problem with isrealis, I just notice that the amount of isrealis that are unlegit is too damn high .
Visual, topteam, elitesoldier, faint pls check completed reports for more.
It's not like they should all be banned ( talking about isreali players ) but should be reviewed a little more strict.
ESP is a hype for isrealis, altho I need to say i've seen some germans do it too now (on fgunz).

I don't understand why staff, in particular devs react like this...

Clearly there is a problem going on in here, this is like what the 10th thread about this? You can't just pretend there aren't any problems, instead of giving some bullshit answer like this why don't we think about solid solutions? I honestly think there has to be taken some kind of action already. Wucas and Mike have been the only one (even though they represents most of you) that publicly tried to solve / discuss some issues they were aware of. I wish staff members would stop react more responsible and serious to these kind of matters instead of just some troll reaction with a ****ing happy smile face at the end of it.

This thread isn't made to say fgunz is bad or what ever.
I just want to point out some things, I did quit gunz for a bit due school and stuff I had to resign because of it actually.
Now I got everything ready so I choose to play fgunz again, these were the things I noticed.
I don't mind staff responding to this thread, everyone is welcome.

But what makes you think the people will join or join back our server?
Would this cause a riot? Almost 3/4 of the players are questers/spammers .. If remove don't you think will make people leave?

Yeah they leave to another place without [r] while they already got (possible donors) a high level, friends etc here.
Only fgunz has [r].

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Seperate the server even more, thats like adding 100 new room tags.

[Eddie]

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Basically what I thought would be best. Sucks Wucas says it interferes with future development though. Though I don't see why people are saying the community splitting is a bad thing. Either way, the community is split anyways, just indirectly. There are people who play for all different reasons. The ones who don't mind or enjoy the room tags, the ones who hug CWs all day and make their own rooms with no room tags whatsoever, the questers, the infected players, etc etc etc. It may as well be split in a way that gives a majority of the people what they want, and keeps the community player count somewhat in tact. Would you rather the community split, but a majority of the players stay and get what they want in their own channel ? Or favor towards one side that could potentially drive away several players ? All based on the assumption that "X side will bring so many players back?" Ehh.. idk. I don't really see any other logical solutions to this problem, and I can't really give any opinion or suggestion on that since I don't know what these "future development plans" are. I'd like to see what other players come up with though.

Roomtags.
Roomtags ruined fgunz.
''More customabillity makes people more picky, thus seperating the server.''
People who want to play gunz, can't because people think they need [r] to get players to their room.
A person with a sniper is less likeley to join a room witouth [r] because it's less over powered there.
[DMG3] is stupid in infection mode and lets people camp. People just play infection mode because of the EXP.
You should remove [r] tag for two months and you would see that people would join again and people would get decent but I guess thats too late now.

Yes, these room tags have stirred up a problem, but not a problem for EVERYONE. Not EVERYONE feels the same way about the [R] tag. Not EVERYONE'S goal in GunZ is to be skilled/"decent." Many like the balance and competitiveness without the [R], [IA], [DMG3], whatever tag you wanna throw in there. Many play just to relax and enjoy time with their friends in a non-competitive environment. Many enjoy gameplay with those "overpowered" advantages because that's what they find fun. Sure a lot of people might flock back to this server with a removed [R] tag, but a **** of a lot of people will also flock away from the server because they find fun in the [R] tag and it's what keeps them active. So what's there to say about those people ? That they can just "go screw ?" Lol..

Why [R] is bad.

People leave fgunz because of it, and people don't join because of it.
People turn bad, fgunz is a server full of bad players the only thing letting me stay is clanwars for the rewards.
Infection mode is overpowered by [DMG3] by it self, but adding [R] is just ridiculous.
They decided to keep [r] so I left fgunz and will just play for clanwars.

Again, not everyone is centered towards one view on these kind of things. There are people who find fun in the overpowered [DMG3] and in the [R] tag, just like there are the group of people who despise them and want them removed. So... have it removed, get your way, assume people will be content and try to change for the better (I.E. focusing on skill and working towards getting better) ? Eh... again, not everyone plays GunZ for the same reasons.

Flame/Spam.
I don't see why this honestly matters.
The only times people report is when they hate the person saying it because they know fgunz takes this bullshit too seriously.
Imagine no one would give a shit about flame/spam, you would think everyone would do it?
At the start if you guys woudn't care about it anymore yes but after a while.
Wrong, people woudn't report and they woudn't even give a shit. It's just how people think now because everyone does it.
Sometimes it's not even directed towards them, like what the ****.
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He could've chosen to either block wishper, or just type /ignore.
I'm aware of the fact ignore fades off when you relog but, the chance is very small that he wishpers you again when you relog.
People shoudn't be butthurt too fast, and most of the time they just report because they hate the person personally.

This I agree that not all reports are done with the intent of the greater good. Most of it is just "ew... I don't like this person because he/she trolls or called me a noob or blah blah blah. I'm gonna seek my revenge by stalking his/her every move, quickly read up on some rule I didn't even pay attention to while I registered, and report him/her for that." BUT, if people "didn't get butthurt so fast," that would basically condone lines of spam to a certain extent, people would abuse it and take advantage of it knowing they can't be penalized, and would take away from maintaining order. Yes there's an ignore command, but come on. Many people are just lazy as shit and refuse to go out of their way for things.

FGunZ is dead?
FGunZ will die, skill level isn't so good because of the [r] tag and the small groups of players.
''Questers, infection players, [r] room players, CW'rs''
I know atleast 20 people who left in the last month because of the bad skill level, [R], bad rooms.
I will continue to play fgunz and report people who are unlegit just for that fact that I think fgunz is the best server balanced wise.
Not to mention the great developers, wucas makes epic stuff.

All things that live must come to an end at some point. And also again (3rd time now I believe xD), not everyone works towards the same personal goal in GunZ of being skilled and a "decent" gunner (gunning is what these debatable room tags revolve around, hence why I excluded gladiators and other styles). And again, there are players who find joy in questing, playing infected with [DMG3], and playing with [R] because it allows them to customize the gameplay to THEIR liking, and to attract those who share their same feelings.

Reports against certain players.
Think of isrealis, or people who get reported alot.
Most of the time they do hack but need multiple reports before they get banned for no actual reason it takes way too long.
I suggest they get instantly banned and a pc-check.
I get that it might be alot of work, but if you look like people as ^7Visual^4..
I told Lorraine to report him once she did, thank you but it got declined?
The second time I reported him it took 1 week and nothing happend..
Then ommadawn also reported him and finally he got banned..
It took 1 month after I said he esped before he got banned, I hope he had fun with his earned money from clanwars with being unlegit .

Odds are if you find joy in hacking and all that shit, you're going to be a repeat offender. If nothing is done one time, or they only get away with a warning, there will be other opportunities. That's the beauty of the punishment system. Multiple offenses lead to worse punishments. Do I think illegitimate players who ESP and use all sorts of hacks should be immediately banned ? Yes. But there's not always credible evidence, and not every GM uses the same type of thinking/reasoning when handling reports.

The rest of your points I kept out because I either don't have enough knowledge to form a decent opinion on them, or they were more personal matters between you and friends/enemies.



tl;dr - The main emphasis in this thread is the room tags that "unbalance" and take away from players' skill. Basically this is the vibe your points give me. "I dislike X. A lot of other people dislike X. It seems only logical to remove X. Oh ? The people who like X ? They'll get used to the change and they'll be fine with it, don't worry !" Lol.. if that's so, it's not really fair to jump to a conclusion based on an assumption. Not everyone plays this game for the same reason of working towards being "truly skilled" and playing competitively. There are people who come to just chill out in training rooms, not worrying about skill or K/D or competitiveness, and just having fun. Hell there are people who log in just for their ****ing clan to sit there and talk all day. There are also people who find joy in the "unbalancing" room tags, in the quest rooms, and all that jazz. That's how they personalize their gaming experience to their liking, and to the liking of people who share the same views.

Taking away X for Group 1 who generally agree around the same viewpoints just seems selfish to me.

Also, I don't think people should just ignore other players' views on this matter because it doesn't agree with the main point of this thread. How do we as a community expect to find a solution to the problem at hand when there are people being stubborn and blocking out players' perspectives ?

[DDaggerDD]

Spoiler!

Maybe look through all the pages because an developer already answered it '-'.

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answered? thats just his opinion. Doesn't mean i shouldn't ask what other people think of room tags just cause one staff member said their opinion on them as well.

Anyway, whats your opinion if you havent mentioned it already?

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basically this.

[Eddie]

Anyway, whats your opinion if you havent mentioned it already?

Don't be intimidated by the wall of text that I already posted several pages back. Anyway, to spare you the trouble of searching, here's my opinion:

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Basically what I thought would be best. Sucks Wucas says it interferes with future development though. Though I don't see why people are saying the community splitting is a bad thing. Either way, the community is split anyways, just indirectly. There are people who play for all different reasons. The ones who don't mind or enjoy the room tags, the ones who hug CWs all day and make their own rooms with no room tags whatsoever, the questers, the infected players, etc etc etc. It may as well be split in a way that gives a majority of the people what they want, and keeps the community player count somewhat in tact. Would you rather the community split, but a majority of the players stay and get what they want in their own channel ? Or favor towards one side that could potentially drive away several players ? All based on the assumption that "X side will bring so many players back?" Ehh.. idk. I don't really see any other logical solutions to this problem, and I can't really give any opinion or suggestion on that since I don't know what these "future development plans" are. I'd like to see what other players come up with though.

Roomtags.
Roomtags ruined fgunz.
''More customabillity makes people more picky, thus seperating the server.''
People who want to play gunz, can't because people think they need [r] to get players to their room.
A person with a sniper is less likeley to join a room witouth [r] because it's less over powered there.
[DMG3] is stupid in infection mode and lets people camp. People just play infection mode because of the EXP.
You should remove [r] tag for two months and you would see that people would join again and people would get decent but I guess thats too late now.

Yes, these room tags have stirred up a problem, but not a problem for EVERYONE. Not EVERYONE feels the same way about the [R] tag. Not EVERYONE'S goal in GunZ is to be skilled/"decent." Many like the balance and competitiveness without the [R], [IA], [DMG3], whatever tag you wanna throw in there. Many play just to relax and enjoy time with their friends in a non-competitive environment. Many enjoy gameplay with those "overpowered" advantages because that's what they find fun. Sure a lot of people might flock back to this server with a removed [R] tag, but a **** of a lot of people will also flock away from the server because they find fun in the [R] tag and it's what keeps them active. So what's there to say about those people ? That they can just "go screw ?" Lol..

Why [R] is bad.

People leave fgunz because of it, and people don't join because of it.
People turn bad, fgunz is a server full of bad players the only thing letting me stay is clanwars for the rewards.
Infection mode is overpowered by [DMG3] by it self, but adding [R] is just ridiculous.
They decided to keep [r] so I left fgunz and will just play for clanwars.

Again, not everyone is centered towards one view on these kind of things. There are people who find fun in the overpowered [DMG3] and in the [R] tag, just like there are the group of people who despise them and want them removed. So... have it removed, get your way, assume people will be content and try to change for the better (I.E. focusing on skill and working towards getting better) ? Eh... again, not everyone plays GunZ for the same reasons.

Flame/Spam.
I don't see why this honestly matters.
The only times people report is when they hate the person saying it because they know fgunz takes this bullshit too seriously.
Imagine no one would give a shit about flame/spam, you would think everyone would do it?
At the start if you guys woudn't care about it anymore yes but after a while.
Wrong, people woudn't report and they woudn't even give a shit. It's just how people think now because everyone does it.
Sometimes it's not even directed towards them, like what the ****.
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He could've chosen to either block wishper, or just type /ignore.
I'm aware of the fact ignore fades off when you relog but, the chance is very small that he wishpers you again when you relog.
People shoudn't be butthurt too fast, and most of the time they just report because they hate the person personally.

This I agree that not all reports are done with the intent of the greater good. Most of it is just "ew... I don't like this person because he/she trolls or called me a noob or blah blah blah. I'm gonna seek my revenge by stalking his/her every move, quickly read up on some rule I didn't even pay attention to while I registered, and report him/her for that." BUT, if people "didn't get butthurt so fast," that would basically condone lines of spam to a certain extent, people would abuse it and take advantage of it knowing they can't be penalized, and would take away from maintaining order. Yes there's an ignore command, but come on. Many people are just lazy as shit and refuse to go out of their way for things.

FGunZ is dead?
FGunZ will die, skill level isn't so good because of the [r] tag and the small groups of players.
''Questers, infection players, [r] room players, CW'rs''
I know atleast 20 people who left in the last month because of the bad skill level, [R], bad rooms.
I will continue to play fgunz and report people who are unlegit just for that fact that I think fgunz is the best server balanced wise.
Not to mention the great developers, wucas makes epic stuff.

All things that live must come to an end at some point. And also again (3rd time now I believe xD), not everyone works towards the same personal goal in GunZ of being skilled and a "decent" gunner (gunning is what these debatable room tags revolve around, hence why I excluded gladiators and other styles). And again, there are players who find joy in questing, playing infected with [DMG3], and playing with [R] because it allows them to customize the gameplay to THEIR liking, and to attract those who share their same feelings.

Reports against certain players.
Think of isrealis, or people who get reported alot.
Most of the time they do hack but need multiple reports before they get banned for no actual reason it takes way too long.
I suggest they get instantly banned and a pc-check.
I get that it might be alot of work, but if you look like people as ^7Visual^4..
I told Lorraine to report him once she did, thank you but it got declined?
The second time I reported him it took 1 week and nothing happend..
Then ommadawn also reported him and finally he got banned..
It took 1 month after I said he esped before he got banned, I hope he had fun with his earned money from clanwars with being unlegit .

Odds are if you find joy in hacking and all that shit, you're going to be a repeat offender. If nothing is done one time, or they only get away with a warning, there will be other opportunities. That's the beauty of the punishment system. Multiple offenses lead to worse punishments. Do I think illegitimate players who ESP and use all sorts of hacks should be immediately banned ? Yes. But there's not always credible evidence, and not every GM uses the same type of thinking/reasoning when handling reports.

The rest of your points I kept out because I either don't have enough knowledge to form a decent opinion on them, or they were more personal matters between you and friends/enemies.



tl;dr - The main emphasis in this thread is the room tags that "unbalance" and take away from players' skill. Basically this is the vibe your points give me. "I dislike X. A lot of other people dislike X. It seems only logical to remove X. Oh ? The people who like X ? They'll get used to the change and they'll be fine with it, don't worry !" Lol.. if that's so, it's not really fair to jump to a conclusion based on an assumption. Not everyone plays this game for the same reason of working towards being "truly skilled" and playing competitively. There are people who come to just chill out in training rooms, not worrying about skill or K/D or competitiveness, and just having fun. Hell there are people who log in just for their ****ing clan to sit there and talk all day. There are also people who find joy in the "unbalancing" room tags, in the quest rooms, and all that jazz. That's how they personalize their gaming experience to their liking, and to the liking of people who share the same views.

Taking away X for Group 1 who generally agree around the same viewpoints just seems selfish to me.

Also, I don't think people should just ignore other players' views on this matter because it doesn't agree with the main point of this thread. How do we as a community expect to find a solution to the problem at hand when there are people being stubborn and blocking out players' perspectives ?